slapped with 30 days for telling the judge to f*** himself (funny stuff)

[alxone]

‘Fu** You’: Shocked Woman Flips Off Judge in Court After Hearing Bond Amount — Judge Responds in Amazing Way
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/05/fu-you-shocked-woman-flips-off-judge-in-court-after-hearing-bond-amount-judge-responds-in-amazing-way/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfttKjMM8rQ&feature=share

[alxone]

silly girl probably did learn a thing is the worst part

[Kraven251]

initially I think she was nervous ...then she went from nervous to stupid, or her brain was just fried to begin with

[Bailey Guns]

IBRPRTAAR (In Before Repost Police Report This As A Repost)

[Coffee]

[Dave]

[LOL][LOL] Hope someone learned a lesson in proper courtroom etiquette.

[alxone]

IBRPRTAAR (In Before Repost Police Report This As A Repost)

[Coffee]damn it, would a mod please merge threads so i don't get a bunch of sandy bunched up panties thrown at me

[ezgoinrob]

Why did the judge get mad when she said Adios? Shes mexican??? Did he not know what that meant?
I mean yea she was stupid for the F bomb but that judge was a prick.

Ez

[Bailey Guns]

damn it, would a mod please merge threads so i don't get a bunch of sandy bunched up panties thrown at me

[ROFL1] (Throws panties - not mine as mine are neither sandy nor bunched - in alxone's general direction)

[DireWolf]

Why did the judge get mad when she said Adios? Shes mexican??? Did he not know what that meant?
I mean yea she was stupid for the F bomb but that judge was a prick.

Ez


it's an issue of respect, and she came off as completely flippant and amused by the whole thing. a proper response would have been something along the lines of "thank you" , "I understand", "yes sir", etc....I see no problem in how the judge handled that....


it was funny as hell though [ROFL2]

[HBARleatherneck]

to me, this is another example of a lawyer/judge, thinking they are special. she responded initially to him by saying adios. i see no real problem with that. obviously she was either still stoned or has allready blown her mind.

but to take someones FREEDOM away for the comment is over the top. Judges arent special. They arent any better than anyone else. He laughed at her, he joked with her. Fuck him. She might be a dumb bitch, but he is just another politician who thinks they are special class.

i dont care if she told the president, a king, a prime minister, your g-d, whoever to fuck off. its not worth taking someones FREEDOM away. Think about it. Locked up like an animal, being deprived of your liberty for exercising first ammendment rights.

[Ah Pook]

I'm not crying repost but didn't this vid make the rounds last year?

Dis the judge and get a smack down. Don't see a problem.

[DireWolf]

to me, this is another example of a lawyer/judge, thinking they are special. she responded initially to him by saying adios. i see no real problem with that. obviously she was either still stoned or has allready blown her mind.

but to take someones FREEDOM away for the comment is over the top. Judges arent special. They arent any better than anyone else. He laughed at her, he joked with her. Fuck him. She might be a dumb bitch, but he is just another politician who thinks they are special class.

i dont care if she told the president, a king, a prime minister, your g-d, whoever to fuck off. its not worth taking someones FREEDOM away. Think about it. Locked up like an animal, being deprived of your liberty for exercising first ammendment rights.


While I totally see where you're coming from, and absolutely agree 100% with part of that, I took away a slightly different perspective on what happened...This was not a case of depriving someone of thier freedom for excersising 1A rights.

This was an individual who was brought up on criminal charges and was requesting bail...IANAL, but I don't think that bail is a right, and think that some types of charges actually don't allow for that at all. The judge saw here as on one hand asking to be let out of jail even though she had charges pending trial, and on the other hand being blatantly and frivolously disrespectful. Good chance he also thought that she had learned no lesson whatoever from the experience... Just like I can excersise my 1A rights and tell my boss to go fuck off if I were so inclined, I'm still going to get fired, which I can pretty much guarantee will interfere with my natural right to the persuit of happines...

as John Wayne famously stated: "Life is hard. It's even harder if you're stupid"


Just my 2¢

[00tec]

I'm not crying repost but didn't this vid make the rounds last year?

Dis the judge and get a smack down. Don't see a problem.
The original video is date stamped 2/4/13, this version is cropped.

[HBARleatherneck]

actually having the right to bail...is a right.

[BushMasterBoy]

This is a great jumpstart to her porn career...

[Ronin13]

While I totally see where you're coming from, and absolutely agree 100% with part of that, I took away a slightly different perspective on what happened...This was not a case of depriving someone of thier freedom for excersising 1A rights.

This was an individual who was brought up on criminal charges and was requesting bail...IANAL, but I don't think that bail is a right, and think that some types of charges actually don't allow for that at all. The judge saw here as on one hand asking to be let out of jail even though she had charges pending trial, and on the other hand being blatantly and frivolously disrespectful. Good chance he also thought that she had learned no lesson whatoever from the experience... Just like I can excersise my 1A rights and tell my boss to go fuck off if I were so inclined, I'm still going to get fired, which I can pretty much guarantee will interfere with my natural right to the persuit of happines...

as John Wayne famously stated: "Life is hard. It's even harder if you're stupid"


Just my 2¢
Explain the 8th Amendment then: Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
We've lost touch though with this- as no one has defined what is and what isn't excessive... Excessive to me would be something I cannot afford, but a judge may have a different view on that. It is kinda BS that a judge can just hold someone in contempt for saying something the judge may not agree with or like- disrespect for a judge is no contempt, HBAR, I'm in complete agreement with you.

[muddywings]

actually having the right to bail...is a right.

He didn't revoke the bail. She still has to pay the bail, after she completes her sentence of 1 month for the crime of contempt of court. Now she just has more time to raise $10K.

---read the above out of context but I'll leave my original statement in there

[Teufelhund]

Explain the 8th Amendment then: Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
We've lost touch though with this- as no one has defined what is and what isn't excessive... Excessive to me would be something I cannot afford, but a judge may have a different view on that. It is kinda BS that a judge can just hold someone in contempt for saying something the judge may not agree with or like- disrespect for a judge is no contempt, HBAR, I'm in complete agreement with you.

You wouldn't believe what can be considered criminal contempt. Anything that offends a judge: something you say, your tone of voice, even your facial expression can be considered criminal contempt and the offended judge has the ability to impose a broad range of punishment for it, including throwing you in the slammer. Even protesters outside a court can be charged with indirect criminal contempt. Criminal contempt was implemented originally to impose punitive action against those who impede the legal process, but has been chipped away at until it allows a judge to play the role of thought police to protect his own delicate sensibilities. How any of this stands as constitutional is beyond me. No one has the right to not be offended; no one has a right to respect.

[DireWolf]

Explain the 8th Amendment then: Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
We've lost touch though with this- as no one has defined what is and what isn't excessive... Excessive to me would be something I cannot afford, but a judge may have a different view on that. It is kinda BS that a judge can just hold someone in contempt for saying something the judge may not agree with or like- disrespect for a judge is no contempt, HBAR, I'm in complete agreement with you.


and therein lies the problem....what exactly is excessive? 30 days for contempt of court? held overnight for being drunk and disorderly? Also, doesn't contempt of court imply some form of holding or incarceration?

Don't get me wrong, I think there are quite a few judges out there who are on a mad power trip and abuse thier power under the law, but I just didn't see that here.

One other thought, if my understanding of the whole "contempt of court" is in the ballpark, a quick Thesaurus search comes back with with definitions/synonyms of which I thought several applied to this situation...

[DireWolf]

actually having the right to bail...is a right.


I stand corrected.

[muddywings]

You wouldn't believe what can be considered criminal contempt. Anything that offends a judge: something you say, your tone of voice, even your facial expression can be considered criminal contempt and the offended judge has the ability to impose a broad range of punishment for it, including throwing you in the slammer. Even protesters outside a court can be charged with indirect criminal contempt. Criminal contempt was implemented originally to impose punitive action against those who impede the legal process, but has been chipped away at until it allows a judge to play the role of thought police to protect his own delicate sensibilities. How any of this stands as constitutional is beyond me. No one has the right to not be offended; no one has a right to respect.

While I agree the power can be abused I personnaly don't:
piss off of the kid making my cheese burger and fries... because I don't want him to spit in my drink
tell the loan officer for my house I'm trying to close on that he works to slow and anybody could do his f-n job...because i want that loan
tell the po po who just pulled me over for rolling the stop that he should go out and find some real criminal to arrest...because I want out of the ticket
etc etc etc
the judge deals with the dredges of society daily and while she shouldn't have to bend over to kiss his ring, he, like everybody else desires, "sir" or "your honor" "please" "thank you" etc etc. Chances are when the public defender gets around to seeing her, he'll ask if she can make a public apology to the court and ask for the sentence to be reduced to time served.
Obviously her parents failed to teach the basics so a public official had to.

Overall-agree with the judge on this one

[vossman]

I'd hit that.

[Teufelhund]

While I agree the power can be abused I personnaly don't:
piss off of the kid making my cheese burger and fries... because I don't want him to spit in my drink
tell the loan officer for my house I'm trying to close on that he works to slow and anybody could do his f-n job...because i want that loan
tell the po po who just pulled me over for rolling the stop that he should go out and find some real criminal to arrest...because I want out of the ticket
etc etc etc
the judge deals with the dredges of society daily and while she shouldn't have to bend over to kiss his ring, he, like everybody else desires, "sir" or "your honor" "please" "thank you" etc etc. Chances are when the public defender gets around to seeing her, he'll ask if she can make a public apology to the court and ask for the sentence to be reduced to time served.
Obviously her parents failed to teach the basics so a public official had to.

Overall-agree with the judge on this one

I understand your point. I don't do those things either, because I'm not stupid and my parents did instill in me to be courteous by default. The difference is the guy making your cheeseburger can't make you eat it, and the loan officer can't make you sign the paperwork. Being nice to a cop might get you out of ticket, but he can't throw you in jail for talking (at least, he isn't supposed to be able to).

While the judge may "desire" respect, he does not have a right to it. He shouldn't have the power to punish you for speaking your mind.

[sellersm]

While the judge may "desire" respect, he does not have a right to it. He shouldn't have the power to punish you for speaking your mind.

^This.

[dwalker460]

the real problem is that over the years judges get comfy knowing that it is hard as fuck for anyone to do anything about them, whenter they are right or wrong. And when they deal with folks without money or resources, it gets worse.
The judge said "bye bye", she says "adios", nothing wrong with that exchange, especially since she was obviously nervous or otherwise impaired. He also dismissed her court appointed attorney because she has some jewelry thats "worth a lot", which he should not have done and was doing to just be a bigger prick.

He is probably a decent guy, just hasnt had a lesson in manners in a long time.

[muddywings]

I understand your point. I don't do those things either, because I'm not stupid and my parents did instill in me to be courteous by default. The difference is the guy making your cheeseburger can't make you eat it, and the loan officer can't make you sign the paperwork. Being nice to a cop might get you out of ticket, but he can't throw you in jail for talking (at least, he isn't supposed to be able to).

While the judge may "desire" respect, he does not have a right to it. He shouldn't have the power to punish you for speaking your mind.

So is there a line and if so, where is it?

[DavieD55]

Looks like a whole court room full of douchenozzles. LOL

[HBARleatherneck]

exactly why is it that we respect judges? because the previous generation have told us to? there are just political lawyers. i dont see any of you respecting lawyers. thats all a judge is. but, one who ran for the popularity contest and won. look at what these political hacks have done to our country. they let many criminals off, selectively enforce their will on others and do the politicians bidding. I would never call a judge "your honor" they dont rate it. They are not g-d. I will call them sir. But, not because they rate it. Because I know they have more power than they deserve and can fuck me.

[Ronin13]

Looks like I was wrong- disrespecting a judge is liable to get you a contempt of court: "Individuals may be cited for contempt when they disobey an order, fail to comply with a request, tamper with documents, withhold evidence, interrupt proceedings through their actions or words, or otherwise defy a public authority or hold it up to ridicule and disrespect." -Legal explanation from legal dictionary.
More here: http://definitions.uslegal.com/c/contempt-of-court/

[wreave]

Judge was an asshole. Period. He had a stick and decided to wield it. The "adios" wasn't worth anything, especially in response to his very flippant "bye bye". She was obviously nervous. She's probably never been there before. He does this a hundred times a day. Was it worth it for him? Cranked her bail up and then 30 days in jail, at taxpayer cost. For what? What justice was served? What benefit to society from this act of the criminal justice system?

[muddywings]

Judge was an asshole. Period. He had a stick and decided to wield it. The "adios" wasn't worth anything. She was obviously nervous. She's probably never been there before. He does this a hundred times a day. Was it worth it for him? Cranked her bail up and then 30 days in jail, at taxpayer cost. For what? What justice was served? What benefit to society from this act of the criminal justice system?

He didn't crank her bail to 30 days. Her bail was $10K. Her punishment for contempt was 30 days.

Also she wasn't nervous, she's played the game before. She was probably still tweeking a bit.
I can spot that 10 miles away.

[muddywings]

I understand your point. I don't do those things either, because I'm not stupid and my parents did instill in me to be courteous by default. The difference is the guy making your cheeseburger can't make you eat it, and the loan officer can't make you sign the paperwork. Being nice to a cop might get you out of ticket, but he can't throw you in jail for talking (at least, he isn't supposed to be able to).

While the judge may "desire" respect, he does not have a right to it. He shouldn't have the power to punish you for speaking your mind.

I'll toss this down here:

As a former LEO who spent a few years working in a detention facility, I would say that if someone incarcerated in a facility flipped me off while dealing with them, I would have put them in cuffs and locked them in solitary. How long they were there would depend on their attitude. If they would have left solitary and been moved to a more restrictive cell block would have depended on their attitude. AND while in solitary I would have tossed their cell looking for contraband.
I'm not and nor should the judge be a pin cushion to deal with their attitude problems. I understand innocent until proven guilty but you will still get stripped searched when coming into jail and you do loose some rights.
my rule was: don't be an asshole

also realize I'm no longer in LE as I didn't like the clientele.

[Teufelhund]

So is there a line and if so, where is it?

According to what I can find as far as the original purpose of contempt laws, the line is where you create a disruption which interrupts the legal process. Saying something which offends the judge or disrespects the court's authority is protected by the First Amendment in my opinion, but has never been challenged. Obviously making direct threats is over the line too, but there is already a law for that.


In 1795, Congress used the power of contempt for the first time when it arrested, tried, and punished a man accused of bribing members of the House of Representatives. Then Congress acted on its own authority—subsequently called the Self-Help (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Self-Help) power, which grants Congress the right to compel testimony and punish disobedience without the involvement of a court or other government body if the individual's actions obstruct the legislative process. By 1821, the Supreme Court recognized Congress's power to arrest and punish individuals for contempt. In 1857, Congress created a statute governing prosecution for contempt, which shifted the responsibility for determining contempt from Congress
itself to the courts.

Here is the legal definition of contempt of court (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/criminal+contempt) and some background info. I can not find any record of an instance where being held in contempt for saying something offensive has ever been challenged as unconstitutional, but that only means no one has taken it up; likely because someone with enough money and determination to raise that fight is smart enough not to tell a judge "fuck you."

[wreave]

He didn't crank her bail to 30 days. Her bail was $10K. Her punishment for contempt was 30 days.

He cranked her bail from $5k to $10k for the "adios", in response to his "bye bye". THEN when she was upset about that and gave him the finger and "fuck you", he jailed her for 30 days for contempt.

[Teufelhund]

I'll toss this down here:

As a former LEO who spent a few years working in a detention facility, I would say that if someone incarcerated in a facility flipped me off while dealing with them, I would have put them in cuffs and locked them in solitary. How long they were there would depend on their attitude. If they would have left solitary and been moved to a more restrictive cell block would have depended on their attitude. AND while in solitary I would have tossed their cell looking for contraband.
I'm not and nor should the judge be a pin cushion to deal with their attitude problems. I understand innocent until proven guilty but you will still get stripped searched when coming into jail and you do loose some rights.
my rule was: don't be an asshole

also realize I'm no longer in LE as I didn't like the clientele.

Again, all valid points. I wouldn't argue that you violated anyone's rights in that instance either. If you're already in jail, you have forfeited certain rights such as an expectation of privacy. Up to the point of incarceration, however, your rights are still intact (allegedly).

[Bailey Guns]

She was obviously nervous. She's probably never been there before. He does this a hundred times a day. Was it worth it for him? Cranked her bail up and then 30 days in jail, at taxpayer cost.

Bullshit. She's been in a courtroom as often as that judge has. She knows the drill...but she obviously hadn't been before that judge. Good for him.

[HBARleatherneck]

well, when I went to the Police Academy they said there was no such thing as contempt of cop. They said get used to being flipped off and cussed out. So, if you took it personally its probably good that you no longer do it.

I am no respector of men. I dont care if you are the two guys who pick up my trash dumpster, my ups guy, the president, are rich, a rock star, movie star, war hero. I try to treat all people the same.


what i do hate is people who get into a line of work (cops, judges, teachers) knowing the pay, knowing the problems and stresses, then bitch about how terrible the job is and want everyone to treat them like they are saints for doing the job they chose to do. Dont like it? quit.

[colorider]

Smartmouth disrespectful beeotch got what she deserved. If her parents would have bitchslapped her for being such a turd growing up, maybe she would not be in jail.

[n8tive97]

What a jack ass.

[dwalker460]

Bullshit. She's been in a courtroom as often as that judge has. She knows the drill...but she obviously hadn't been before that judge. Good for him.

The first thing the ADA says is "First offense", so not a repeat trip for that one...

[muddywings]

well, when I went to the Police Academy they said there was no such thing as contempt of cop. They said get used to being flipped off and cussed out. So, if you took it personally its probably good that you no longer do it.

I am no respector of men. I dont care if you are the two guys who pick up my trash dumpster, my ups guy, the president, are rich, a rock star, movie star, war hero. I try to treat all people the same.


what i do hate is people who get into a line of work (cops, judges, teachers) knowing the pay, knowing the problems and stresses, then bitch about how terrible the job is and want everyone to treat them like they are saints for doing the job they chose to do. Dont like it? quit.

Did you work on the street or in a jail? I never took it personally it was the game that was played. It was one deputy vs 80+ inmates in an open bay jail. I can't count the the times I was nose to nose with some 18 y/o looking to make a name in front of his homies and demanding that I have to respect him. They already practically run those cell blocks. You start looking like you'll take crap on a daily basis and pretty soon you'll be the bitch.
Street vs the cell block are two totally different games.

[DavieD55]

If a person cant handle being fliped off they are in the wrong profession.

[Gman]

If you want respect from a judge, respect the judge.

http://todaynews.today.com/_news/2013/02/08/16901537-woman-18-who-flipped-off-judge-apologizes-in-court?lite=


An 18-year-old South Florida woman sentenced to 30 days in jail for flipping the bird at a judge this week apologized on Friday to the judge.

Penelope Soto apologized to Miami-Dade Circuit Judge Jorge Rodriguez-Chomat for displaying the middle finger Monday — an incident that drew national headlines and a video of which went viral online.

"My behavior was very irrational, and I apologize not only to the court and you, but to my family,” Penelope Soto told Rodriguez-Chomat.

Rodriguez-Chomat then vacated the 30-day sentence he imposed when Soto appeared before him on a Xanax possession charge, authorities say.

As Friday's hearing began, Rodriguez-Chomat remarked that Soto looked "completely different," when compared to the woman he saw during the bird-flipping incident. The judge later told her he hoped she successfully completes a drug-treatment program and overcomes her addiction.

[muddywings]

Called it!

[cstone]

There is a time and a place for everything. Come into my home and act like an ass, expect to leave.

As a father, I demand obedience from my children. There are few absolutes in life and I am not foolish enough to not realize that my children do not always obey me. They do know that when they disobey me, and I am aware of the disobedience, I will hold them responsible. There are consequences for all actions or lack of actions. Within my scope of authority (my family) I am duty bound to teach these consequences and lead by example. I am not perfect, and my children know that. I hope they will carry these lessons, both the good and bad through the rest of their lives. Hopefully, these lessons will keep them from replicating the kind of behavior this young woman exhibited in the courtroom.

In that judge's courtroom, he is the authority. Right or wrong, you respect the authority of the court, or you face consequences. Not all judges are the same. Don't break laws and it is less likely you will find yourself in courtrooms. Act appropriately in court and the consequences are less difficult to deal with.

No matter the jurisdiction, family, community, country, species, the buck must stop somewhere. In that courtroom, the buck stopped with the judge. Even judges have oversight, and if the supervising judge or electorate in that jurisdiction find the judge's behavior unacceptable, then he will deal with the consequences.

Be safe.