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SuperiorDG
02-08-2013, 17:11
LaRue Tactical
NEWS RELEASE:
02/08/2012 LEANDER, TX.
Updated Policy for State and Local Agency Law Enforcement Sales:
Due to the recent and numerous new Anti-gun/Anti-2nd Amendment laws passed and/or pending across our country, LaRue Tactical has been forced to reconsider how we provide products to state and local agencies.
Effective today, in an effort to see that no legal mistakes are made by LaRue Tactical and/or its employees, we will apply all current State and Local Laws (as applied to civilians) to state and local law enforcement / government agencies. In other words, LaRue Tactical will limit all sales to what law-abiding citizens residing in their districts can purchase or possess.
State and local laws have always been a serious focus of this firm, and we are now dovetailing that focus with the constitutional rights of the residents covered in their different areas by the old and new regulations.
We realize this effort will have an impact on this firm's sales - and have decided the lost sales are less danger to this firm than potential lawsuits from erroneous shipments generated by something as simple as human error.
Thanks in advance for your understanding.
Mark LaRue
* * This policy does not apply to Military / Federal Agencies * *
drift_g35
02-08-2013, 17:13
Hell yeah!
clublights
02-08-2013, 17:13
LOVE IT...
Tho I can agree with the .mil exception .. I wish they would include the rest of the federal agencies in the rule.
Rucker61
02-08-2013, 17:14
F*CKIN' A TWEETER
Rock on LaRue. +1 for a stand-up company with awesome products.
griebel303
02-08-2013, 17:30
Hell yeah! Larue is awesome. I agree on only having .mil as the exception, not FED
Sharpienads
02-08-2013, 17:30
LOVE IT...
Tho I can agree with the .mil exception .. I wish they would include the rest of the federal agencies in the rule.
This.
Kraven251
02-08-2013, 17:31
if only the back order wasn't so awful right now :) This is awesome.
hurley842002
02-08-2013, 17:31
WOW! That speaks volume!
HoneyBadger
02-08-2013, 17:35
THIS is awesome! My primary reason for buying anything from them is because they make products that are freaking great. Secondary reason is because I am addicted to dillo dust. As if I needed another reason to support them... [Awesom]
Fuck yeah I love Mark... God damn!
buffalobo
02-08-2013, 17:46
Good on LaRue, need more companies like them and their products.
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SuperiorDG
02-08-2013, 17:50
Yea I think I'll have to pull the trigger on the T1 2MOA I've been wanting to throw them a little business.
LOVE IT...
Tho I can agree with the .mil exception .. I wish they would include the rest of the federal agencies in the rule.
+1
Make them abide by the same dictates that they apply to the civilians, just like Ronnie Barrett did to Kali.
Waiting on an OBR as we speak. Kind of wishing I'd ordered the SBR version.
liberty19
02-08-2013, 18:32
Great company and great products! Keep it up LaRue.
Mark just cemented a lifelong customer! I always admired the stance that Barrett took, and now Larue is right up there.
Jesus-With-A-.45
02-08-2013, 18:33
As soon as I can, I'm buying one of there weapons.
I wish all the manufacturers would do this.
trlcavscout
02-08-2013, 18:50
Awesome, LE is not special and should only be allowed to have what the rest of the community has.
Awesome, LE is not special and should only be allowed to have what the rest of the community has.
I respectfully disagree.
lowbeyond
02-08-2013, 19:03
I respectfully disagree.
I respectfully disagree with your disagreement.
Yea I think I'll have to pull the trigger on the T1 2MOA I've been wanting to throw them a little business.
I have the H1 2moa and it's great. I'll be adding another this summer from LaRue.
Mike
P.S. Great move on his part. We need ALL the ammo companies to do the same.
If LE needs a tool to deal with the risks of the world, why should I not have the same access when defending my family?
jhood001
02-08-2013, 19:27
Awesome, LE is not special and should only be allowed to have what the rest of the community has.
I wish DHS was included in this.
Didn't know much about them, but if there's any conceivable chance of me ever purchasing something that they sell - they've got my business, regardless of what it might cost elsewhere. Loyalty to their customers, their country, and the constitution. I LOVE IT!!
Byte Stryke
02-08-2013, 19:30
I read that on FB and suddenly had the weirdest Hard-On
Bailey Guns
02-08-2013, 19:32
I read that on FB and suddenly had the weirdest Hard-On
Lil Dillo Dust should take care of that. If it lasts more than 4 hours, call your doctor.
'Merica, Fuck Ya!
Not a huge fan boy, but I do have some mounts and they make good stuff. This is a class act.
DavieD55
02-08-2013, 19:54
Way to go for Larue!
DavieD55
02-08-2013, 19:55
Awesome, LE is not special and should only be allowed to have what the rest of the community has.
I respectfully completely agree. It's part of those checks and balances.
HoneyBadger
02-08-2013, 20:15
If LE needs a tool to deal with the risks of the world, why should I not have the same access when defending my family?
Valid point. I need more dillo dust!
missionxo
02-08-2013, 20:38
Larue is the best!
Great-Kazoo
02-08-2013, 21:30
Didn't know much about them, but if there's any conceivable chance of me ever purchasing something that they sell - they've got my business, regardless of what it might cost elsewhere. Loyalty to their customers, their country, and the constitution. I LOVE IT!!
http://www.laruetactical.com/
Here's their web site buy anything and let them know why you did. I just ordered some small shit JUST BECAUSE.
Bailey Guns
02-08-2013, 22:31
Awesome, LE is not special and should only be allowed to have what the rest of the community has.
I disagree, too. Personally, I think the rest of the community should have what LE has.
[Coffee]
gnihcraes
02-08-2013, 23:09
http://www.laruetactical.com/
Here's their web site buy anything and let them know why you did. I just ordered some small shit JUST BECAUSE.
I was just browsing their site, I'll order some smaller stuff too.
Pure WIN. Guess I'll buy Larue scope mounts instead of American Defense. I wish more companies would stand up on ethics and principles.
I respectfully completely agree. It's part of those checks and balances.
Read wrong first time.
mtnrider
02-09-2013, 00:35
While I think this is great for all the LE that are against us but what about the ones that are with us? We have a lot of Sheriffs here in Colorado that are behind protecting our second amendment rights but now they are going to be punished. What message are we really sending here?
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While I think this is great for all the LE that are against us but what about the ones that are with us? We have a lot of Sheriffs here in Colorado that are behind protecting our second amendment rights but now they are going to be punished. What message are we really sending here?
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The ones that are "with us" will understand.
DavieD55
02-09-2013, 01:07
Sometimes really good folks can end up doing some really bad things. That was demonstrated during Katrina by some of Louisiana's finest.
mtnrider
02-09-2013, 01:15
Sometimes really good folks can end up doing some really bad things. That was demonstrated during Katrina by some of Louisiana's finest.
I don't think your allowed to use "Louisiana' and "finest" in the same sentence. That state is on a whole nother level of corruption.
How do you tell if product is in stock or shipping ETA?
I see they have Geiselle triggers, but at $260 they better be in stock.
DavieD55
02-09-2013, 01:28
I meant the goons who participated in the shootings of unarmed people "the bridge murders" during Katrina, Then burned the bodies in order to try to cover it up. Just wanted to clarify that.
Bailey Guns
02-09-2013, 06:55
While I think this is great for all the LE that are against us but what about the ones that are with us? We have a lot of Sheriffs here in Colorado that are behind protecting our second amendment rights but now they are going to be punished. What message are we really sending here?
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Police officers and sheriff's deputies are civilians just like any other non-military person. They happen to have a job that requires they go out and look for the troublemakers in society. They need personal equipment that helps them do the job and that helps to ensure their safety.
Through no fault of their own average citizens are often sought out by those same troublemakers. I think Larue recognizes they need the same level of protection as the law enforcement officer. As a matter of fact, they may need a greater degree of protection because they don't have all the options (ie: backup, etc...) as the LE officer when dealing with the threats posed by the troublemakers.
This isn't about being "with us" or against us. This is about equality and doing what's right. And Larue did what's right.
Just placed my first order with LaRue. I probably could have found the stuff cheaper elsewhere, but we have to support the people who do the right things.
These guys know how to run a business AND have a great set of values. Not so often you see both these days, good on them.
And that has made my decision to make my next order with LaRue. Thumbs up guys !
Just placed my first order with LaRue. I probably could have found the stuff cheaper elsewhere, but we have to support the people who do the right things.
I just did the same, and I left them a message of approval of their new policy in the order comments section.
buckshotbarlow
02-10-2013, 21:09
Ok, time to sell some stuff on armslist and support these guys...I'll pay the money for this..
http://www.laruetactical.com/sites/default/files/costaprofile556_0_0.jpg
or this...
http://www.laruetactical.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/product_detail/p6198135.jpg
sellersm
02-12-2013, 21:20
Press release from their Facebook today: http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=573076246049586&id=114264921930723
Press Release: Olympic Arms, Inc. Announces New York State Sales Policy
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
Olympic Arms is a staunch believer in and defender of the Constitution of the United States, and with special attention paid to the Bill of Rights that succinctly enumerates the security of our Divinely given Rights. One of those Rights is that to Keep and Bear Arms.
Legislation recently passed in the State of New York outlaws the AR15 and many other firearms, and will make it illegal for the good and free citizens of New York to own a large selection of legal and safe firearms and magazines. We feel as though the passage of this legislation exceeds the authority granted to the government of New York by its citizens, and violates the Constitution of the United States, ignoring such SCOTUS rulings as District of Columbia v. Heller - 554, U.S. 570 of 2008, McDonald v. Chicago - 561 U.S. 3025 of 2010, and specifically the case of United States v. Miller – 307 U.S. 174 of 1939.
Due the passing of this legislation, Olympic Arms would like to announce that the State of New York, any Law Enforcement Departments, Law Enforcement Officers, First Responders within the State of New York, or any New York State government entity or employee of such an entity - will no longer be served as customers.
In short, Olympic Arms will no longer be doing business with the State of New York or any governmental entity or employee of such governmental entity within the State of New York - henceforth and until such legislation is repealed, and an apology made to the good people of the State of New York and the American people.
If the leaders of the State of New York are willing to limit the right of the free and law abiding citizens of New York to arm themselves as they see fit under the Rights enumerate to all citizens of the United State through the Second Amendment, we feel as though the legislators and government entities within the State of New York should have to abide by the same restrictions.
This action has caused a division of the people into classes: Those the government deems valuable enough to protect with modern firearms, and those whose lives have been deemed as having less value, and whom the government has decided do not deserve the right to protect themselves with the same firearms. Olympic Arms will not support such behavior or policy against any citizen of this great nation.
Olympic Arms invites all firearms manufacturers, distributors and firearms dealers to join us in this action to refuse to do business with the State of New York. We must stand together, or we shall surely fall divided.
Sincerely,
Brian Schuetz
President
Olympic Arms, Inc.
But that's probably what the libs want
kidicarus13
02-12-2013, 21:24
Forum members couldn't stand Olympic Arms a few months ago now we'll see what happens.
Eh... I personally think that New York LE should ONLY be allowed to use Oly Arms. Just saying...
Kraven251
02-12-2013, 21:27
Don't have to like them, to respect them for taking a stand, and encouraging others to help in sending a very real message.
Its not like they will lose business over this anyways
ringhilt
02-12-2013, 21:32
GOOD! I think more manufacturers need to take this stand and not do business with states that are anti-freedom.
SA Friday
02-12-2013, 21:37
Yep. The manufacturers stand together, this stupidity will stop.
hurley842002
02-12-2013, 21:39
Its not like they will lose business over this anyways
Not the point..
Great-Kazoo
02-12-2013, 22:01
Eh... I personally think that New York LE should ONLY be allowed to use Oly Arms. Just saying...
I've owned 4 of them and never any issues. How quickly we forget the 1999 bushmaster over torqued, canted front sight uppers. Or were not born yet.
lead_magnet
02-12-2013, 22:27
Yep. The manufacturers stand together, this stupidity will stop.
I think they will all just buy HK
Great-Kazoo
02-12-2013, 22:36
I think they will all just buy HK
[ROFL2] How many get that reference?
UncleDave
02-13-2013, 08:46
Probably true, HK hates the civi market anyway. Ve have vays of making you comply! Plus it's taxpayer money they are using to buy, that's free money right?
sellersm
02-14-2013, 22:01
From the York Arms website (http://www.yorkarms.com/ny.html)
Based on the recent legislation in New York, we are prohibited from selling rifles and receivers to residents of New York. We have chosen to extend that prohibition to all governmental agencies associated with or located within New York. As a result we have halted sales of rifles, short barreled rifles, short barreled shotguns, machine guns, and silencers to New York governmental agencies.For "civilian" customers residing in New York:
At your choice, we will:
complete your order and ship to a dealer of your choice outside of NY
refund your payment in full
hold your items here for up to 6 months, at no charge - if you are in the process of leaving NY and taking residence in another state.
For LE/Govt customers in New York:
Your orders have been cancelled.
DavieD55
02-14-2013, 22:07
[Beer]
This is now the 3rd company doing this to NY???
What we need is the big boys to do it... Colt, Springfield, Ruger, etc.
DavieD55
02-14-2013, 22:10
Those companies won't do it though.
I wonder how long it will be before there is a regulation or federal law requiring FFLs to sell to government agencies to maintain the license?
sellersm
02-14-2013, 22:57
I wonder how long it will be before there is a regulation or federal law requiring FFLs to sell to government agencies to maintain the license?
Yep. And they'll create any number of other 'hoops' through which the FFL must jump in order to be "licensed and registered" and "legal-beagle"! [facepalm]
gnihcraes
02-14-2013, 23:12
Hope Henry does this in NJ or leaves, but we'll see. (not that LEO or GOV purchase levers)
Great-Kazoo
02-14-2013, 23:13
From the York Arms website (http://www.yorkarms.com/ny.html)
For LE/Govt customers in New York:
Your orders have been cancelled.
BOOYAH Supersize that you scumbags!
82ndShooter
02-14-2013, 23:27
Outstanding!!!!
[Beer]
pickenup
02-14-2013, 23:38
Great to see some companies doing this, wish more would.
hghclsswhitetrsh
02-14-2013, 23:40
^^^^ agreed. Hopefully magpul does the same to our state IF the law passes and they move.
Now to see how the other eastern arms companies follow up.
Like Colt,Charter Arms ,And Fulton Armory,just to name a few that are behind held territories.
LigersRCool
02-15-2013, 00:09
http://www.laruetactical.com/ did the same thing, applying the same law applied to civillians in a state to thier law enforcement. (excludes Fed govt, hey gotta sell to our snipers) NEWS RELEASE:
02/08/2012 LEANDER, TX.
Updated Policy for State and Local Agency Law Enforcement Sales:
Due to the recent and numerous new Anti-gun/Anti-2nd Amendment laws passed and/or pending across our country, LaRue Tactical has been forced to reconsider how we provide products to state and local agencies.
Effective today, in an effort to see that no legal mistakes are made by LaRue Tact...ical and/or its employees, we will apply all current State and Local Laws (as applied to civilians) to state and local law enforcement / government agencies. In other words, LaRue Tactical will limit all sales to what law-abiding citizens residing in their districts can purchase or possess.
State and local laws have always been a serious focus of this firm, and we are now dovetailing that focus with the constitutional rights of the residents covered in their different areas by the old and new regulations.
We realize this effort will have an impact on this firm's sales - and have decided the lost sales are less danger to this firm than potential lawsuits from erroneous shipments generated by something as simple as human error.
Thanks in advance for your understanding.
Mark LaRue
* * This policy does not apply to Military / Federal Agencies * *
KestrelBike
02-15-2013, 00:15
For LE/Govt customers in New York:
Your orders have been cancelled.
BOOYAH Supersize that you scumbags!
Hahaha nice
GilpinGuy
02-15-2013, 00:16
So kick ass! [Alrigh]
trlcavscout
02-15-2013, 00:26
Screw NY, CA, and CO, if "civilians" cant buy them why should LE be any different?
KevDen2005
02-15-2013, 00:30
I'm impressed
ChunkyMonkey
02-15-2013, 01:08
mrk
Yes? I go by K btw... Mr.K is too official.
theGinsue
02-15-2013, 01:21
Yes? I go by K btw... Mr.K is too official.
I was marking the post so I could find it easier to merge it when I moved it into this forum.
losttrail
02-15-2013, 05:26
I do not currently own any LaRue products, but if the Republic survives that will change. Due simply to this action LaRue is taking. Impressive.
sellersm
02-15-2013, 05:40
Ginsue, thanks for merging/combining all these threads!!
i'm going to send an email to LaRue thanking them for this.
Though these are great symbolic gestures, until the heavy hitters get involved (which I fear they won't) these moves are like me (a guy) saying he's going to boycott Tampax.
O2
Ps. I wish I had come up with the above analogy, but I saw it on another board.
i'm going to send an email to LaRue thanking them for this.
I thanked them in the comments section of the order I placed.
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/rruusseell1/91752622-6949-4480-8F67-E9E6907848C9-17716-000005C1AE7F7B2E_zps8aee3830.jpg
Many other companies have taken this stance and Midway USA joins the ranks.
Midway USA statement:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/02/robert-farago/midway-no-leo-mag-and-ammo-sales-where-civilian-bans-apply/
hghclsswhitetrsh
02-16-2013, 14:04
Link no good.
Good for them and all the others that have done the same
I could not get that link to work, but found the article at this link --> http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/02/robert-farago/midway-no-leo-mag-and-ammo-sales-where-civilian-bans-apply/
It looks like CTD is announcing something similar, link here --> http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/02/foghorn/cheaperthandirt-vows-to-not-sell-modern-rifles-to-leos-of-states-where-weapons-are-prohibited/
hghclsswhitetrsh
02-16-2013, 14:08
I wish the big manufactures would follow suit.
Cheaper than Dirt and Olympic Arms jumped in and are taking a similar stance. Barrett started this years ago in California and we will see how many others follow the lead. LaRue stepped up and took the initiative a couple weeks ago.
http://www.sofmag.com/olympic-arms-cuts-business-ny-over-gun-law
Bailey Guns
02-16-2013, 14:24
I applaud what Midway and some other companies are doing despite the fact it's mostly symbolic.
Jumpstart
02-16-2013, 14:31
No 30 round mags for citizentry, none for LE either.
HoneyBadger
02-16-2013, 15:35
Though its mostly symbolic, I really appreciate this. We need to get manufacturers on board... which will be hard because they often sell straight to the agencies and are guaranteed payment from an endless stream of fiat money.
Kraven251
02-16-2013, 15:39
I dunno, I am pretty sure we can count on Magpul giving CO LE the finger on the issue if 1224 passes and they relocated. I know there are other manufacturers but it starts sending a message.
Though its mostly symbolic, I really appreciate this. We need to get manufacturers on board... which will be hard because they often sell straight to the agencies and are guaranteed payment from an endless stream of fiat money.
Yeah . . . it is one thing for Larue and Olympic Arms to restrict sales. It would be entirely another if Remington and FN made the same decision.
Anyone have any high-level contacts at Remington or FN ?
battle_sight_zero
02-16-2013, 15:49
Yeah . . . it is one thing for Larue and Olympic Arms to restrict sales. It would be entirely another if Remington and FN made the same decision.
Anyone have any high-level contacts at Remington or FN ?u
We need Sig, Glock and Springfield to do the same to.
trlcavscout
02-16-2013, 16:05
Good for them. I bet more will follow, i doubt magpul would pay to move then agree to ship to CO, at least I hope not. Hopefully Glock/SIG etc will follow suit and ship everybody the same mags? Glock is gonna have to either stick it to them or offer 4 different mags for each gun.
Magpul should open up shop about 6 feet from the Colorado border, like a Wyoming fireworks stand.
I applaud all the companies doing this. I wish the people who allegedly represent us would listen but they won't.
I hope they don't sell a damn thing to the Leo. They aren't military. They are citizens who are held to a higher standard and paid to uphold the law. That's it...
muddywings
02-16-2013, 17:40
I could not get that link to work, but found the article at this link --> http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/02/robert-farago/midway-no-leo-mag-and-ammo-sales-where-civilian-bans-apply/
It looks like CTD is announcing something similar, link here --> http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/02/foghorn/cheaperthandirt-vows-to-not-sell-modern-rifles-to-leos-of-states-where-weapons-are-prohibited/
In light of the CTD flipflopping the question is asked will you go back to CTD: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/02/robert-farago/question-of-the-day-should-we-forgive-cheaper-than-dirt/
I'm a wait and see with this one. I'm more than willing to forgive and forget but it will be tough. Plus, their prices are beyond standard capitalistic supply/demand gouging. It's a bit over the top on some of their stuff.
Like the others here..
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq2u0cmb2s1qii6tmo1_500.gif
Slapps74
02-16-2013, 19:27
That's the way it should be. Good job Midway!
ringhilt
02-16-2013, 21:08
+1 I applaud the companies who support the position of what's good for us citizens is good for non-military LEO's.
Personally I think it is high time we de-militarize the police anyway. And I think we should push the issue. If we the law abiding, tax-paying citizenry do not need magazines over 10 rounds or "assault weapons". Then civilian LEO's don't need them either. After all, aren't "assault weapons" tools of war meant for the military? Who are the police at war with?
My $1.02 worth.
If Magpul moves, I wonder if we can get them to start stamping their mags "for civilian use only" and not sell them to LE. The military already said you can't use them IIRC.
tmjohnson
02-16-2013, 23:10
Good for Larry at Midway!!!!
They have my business
mtnrider
02-16-2013, 23:15
Though its mostly symbolic, I really appreciate this. We need to get manufacturers on board... which will be hard because they often sell straight to the agencies and are guaranteed payment from an endless stream of fiat money.
I couldn't agree more. While I think this is great I honestly don't think places like Midway do much business with LE directly. We need to get more manufacturers on board.
Slapps74
02-16-2013, 23:30
I don't have an assault weapon I have a personal defense weapon. Wait I lost that in the boating accident.
This has the potential to really send a strong message. Make sure that it applies to security agencies that DOD contracts for personal security as well. We are all on an equal playing field.
I think that another important point is to get behind these business and stop doing business with anyone who does not adhere to this standard. All it is going to take is a couple small companies to undercut all of these LE contracts and make a killing while hurting the companies that have the integrity to stand up for this. It would be very important to know where all major companies stand on this movement and start to conduct our business accordingly.
I don't have an assault weapon I have a personal defense weapon. Wait I lost that in the boating accident.
I used to own Sporting Rifles before the tragic boating accident.
Add major firearm manufacturers and distributors to your regular letter/e-mail rotations! When you are sending correspondance to your elected officials, take a few extra minutes to send a letter to all the companies you have done business with!
I have.
I liked Magpuls letter in the Post this morning
I liked Magpuls letter in the Post this morning
Awesome link!
I liked Magpuls letter in the Post this morning
Does anyone have a link to the letter? I looked without success.
Awesome link!
I would have posted a link but there wasnt one. It was a full page ad with a letter from Magpul
jimbolay
02-17-2013, 12:12
Here's the ad - page 9 of the business section.
http://www.ar-15.co/attachment.php?attachmentid=21797&d=1361118963&thumb=1 (http://www.ar-15.co/attachment.php?attachmentid=21797&d=1361118963)
Thx for the pic and thx to Magpul.
jimbolay
02-17-2013, 12:44
I'm going to frame this...so I can show my yet to be born grandkids how certain politicians systematically worked to destroy the USA. Next to it I'll put the article that shows how we defeated them.
I'm going to frame this...so I can show my yet to be born grandkids how certain politicians systematically worked to destroy the USA. Next to it I'll put the article that shows how we defeated them.
Well, at least your grandkids will get to see one piece of history. :-(
blacklabel
02-17-2013, 13:38
Stand up move by Magpul. I'm surprised the Post ran it.
It is improper for us to sell items to state agencies and law enforcement that law-abiding citizens are not allowed to purchase. Effective immediatly Smith Enterprise will no longer sell items to your state government that you have outlawed your citizens to buy.
Until your state changes your gun control laws and ensures these laws are back in line with the 2nd Amendment of the United States Constitution, Smith Enterprise will be forced to keep this policy.
http://smithenterpriseinc.blogspot.com/2013/02/smith-enterprise-letter-to-governor.html
That's great about Smith Enterprises, but I echo the others who have already said that the big players need to step up and be just as patriotic, especially since they can more easily afford to do so.
Dlesh123
02-17-2013, 22:19
That's great about Smith Enterprises, but I echo the others who have already said that the big players need to step up and be just as patriotic, especially since they can more easily afford to do so.
Like the ammo makers, start putting the civilian consumer requests first in those states that are stripping the rights of the citizens.
Midway USA is also stepping up on this issue.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/02/robert-farago/midway-no-leo-mag-and-ammo-sales-where-civilian-bans-apply/
ChunkyMonkey
02-18-2013, 18:20
Spikes Tactical just joined in...
SPIKE'S TACTICAL
Updated Policy for State and Local Law Enforcement Agency Sales:
In light of the recent and numerous anti-gun and anti-2nd Amendment laws pending across the Nation, Spike’s Tactical will be joining other manufacturers and distributors and limiting the business we do with LE agencies in those states.
As of today, it will be our policy not to sell prohibited items to government agencies and agents in states, counties, cities and municipalities that have enacted restrictive gun control laws against their citizens.
Spike’s Tactical LLC
2036 Apex Ct.
Apopka, FL 32703
Phone: 407-928-2666
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losttrail
02-18-2013, 19:02
+1 I applaud the companies who support the position of what's good for us citizens is good for non-military LEO's.
Personally I think it is high time we de-militarize the police anyway. And I think we should push the issue. If we the law abiding, tax-paying citizenry do not need magazines over 10 rounds or "assault weapons". Then civilian LEO's don't need them either. After all, aren't "assault weapons" tools of war meant for the military? Who are the police at war with?
My $1.02 worth.
Sorry, they are only "assault weapons" when the citizenry wants them. When DHS places a request for 7,000 select fire versions, they are described as "personal defense weapons".
Spikes Tactical just joined in...
Fuck Spike's. Now they want to act like they care about the people? Eat shit Spike's. Magpul did it because they mean it. Spike's did it because of the publicity.
I think Everyone should be writing the companies thy buy product from urging them to join in. Even if you don't like a particular company or product, having enough companies join in and come together like this will eventually give them a message.
When writing your legislators, it won't take a little extra time to send a message to a few companies. Don't forget to write the companies that already have joined the fight to tell them thank you!
BlasterBob
02-18-2013, 20:29
Now wonder if Brownells will also follow suit?? They have a shop down in Trinidad that is heavily associated with the Trinidad State Junior College gunsmith school. Of course, those big city bags of shit (Democrat Legislators) don't care much about us small town tax paying voters.
Unfortunately, this means AR parts are about to get REAL scarce in CO if lots of merchants get in on this and legislation goes through.
osok-308
02-18-2013, 20:41
Unfortunately, this means AR parts are about to get REAL scarce in CO if lots of merchants get in on this and legislation goes through.
You can buy from smaller companies that aren't involved in this whole mess. except for standard capacity ar mags, everything else will be legal in CO.
This is so awesome I had to share...
Sorry it's a picture:
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/421933_10152600613640038_1018984466_n.jpg
The Barrett firearms company joins a long list of firearms manufacturers black listing any 2A infringing government folks! Good for them. And I didn't know that they had previously restricted CA... Gotta love the masters of the big boy rifles! [Beer]
sellersm
02-20-2013, 16:30
You know there's already a thread for this, right? Ha! I beat the repost police! BTW, J&G Sales is doing the same thing...
Great-Kazoo
02-20-2013, 16:34
You know there's already a thread for this, right? Ha! I beat the repost police! BTW, J&G Sales is doing the same thing...
Congratulations HBar or myself will be contacting you soon, about your elevation in the wide world web of gun boards.
griebel303
02-20-2013, 17:14
That is awesome! It makes me proud to be a gun enthusiast with all of the firearms companies coming to our defense. Now if I can only find someone who wants to let me shoot their Barrett I would be a happy man
hghclsswhitetrsh
02-20-2013, 17:16
Sweet I'm gonna run out and buy a couple. Wait, Jim or DSB can you float me a loan?
You know there's already a thread for this, right? Ha! I beat the repost police! BTW, J&G Sales is doing the same thing...
Yes, but I felt this deserved individual attention instead of being "just another brick in the wall" in the other post... [Beer]
sellersm
02-20-2013, 17:22
Yes, but I felt this deserved individual attention instead of being "just another brick in the wall" in the other post... [Beer]
Well, you've been duly reported... [LOL] And what's Pink Floyd got to do with it? [Flower] 'how can you have your pudding if you don't eat your meat?'
Well, you've been duly reported... [LOL] And what's Pink Floyd got to do with it? [Flower] 'how can you have your pudding if you don't eat your meat?'
Hey now, the rules clearly prohibit dark sarcasm in the classroom...
In all seriousness though, good for Barrett. They're the first company with major leo/mil contracts that I'm aware of doing this. Correct me if I'm wrong.
dwalker460
02-20-2013, 20:37
I know the Barretts, went to high school with some of them, good folks. Proud they are STILL located in my hometown.
Yea but its one more dog in the match even if they are just following suit.
Sent from my Otterbox Defended Tactical iPhone using High Capacity "Clips".
lowbeyond
02-21-2013, 13:14
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/
Our stance on the 2nd Amendment.
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
The founding fathers made the right to keep and bear arms second only to the freedom of speech in the Bill of Rights. Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, George Mason, Samuel Adams and so many others, labored tirelessly to create a new nation with laws free from the tyranny of the old country. A place where the government would represent the people, not repress them.
As Americans, we have the luxury of living in a developed society where we can develop ourselves through education and critical debate. We have a responsibility to question ideas and confront issues that we have a stake in as citizens of this nation, be that the rights of yourselves or the rights of others when threatened by the state. Firearms are, first and foremost, a tool to secure your life and the lives of others, against any aggressor.
The people at Bravo Company USA and BCM support responsible private individuals having access to the same tools of civilian Law Enforcement to affect the same ends. Securing and defending ourselves, our loved ones and innocent people if the situation arises. As such Bravo Company's policy is that law enforcement officials and departments will be restricted to the same type of products available to responsible private individuals of that same city or state.
Jesus-With-A-.45
02-21-2013, 13:15
Bravo Company Fuck Yeah!
buckshotbarlow
02-21-2013, 13:20
Bravo Company Fuck Yeah!
DING DING DING marge, we got another winner!
BPTactical
02-21-2013, 13:35
Bravo....
robertcolorado2009
02-21-2013, 13:35
We have not heard from the major manufacturers on this yet. S&W, Browning, Bushmaster, Armalite, Ruger, Savage, Remington, Mossberg, Colt, Springfield just name a few.I wonder what are they going to do?
lowbeyond
02-21-2013, 13:48
over at the olde BCM Facebook page they posted:
Gun control = murder.
heh
i got some of their kit. one day i have to get a 3rd complete rifle from them that i dont really need. heh
Roger Ronas
02-21-2013, 14:02
BRAVO to Bravo Company
Great-Kazoo
02-21-2013, 14:03
Everyone must have missed Ruger's e-mail your reps / letter they sent out. IIRC it's on this board somewhere.
wARmachine15
02-21-2013, 14:03
Just keeps getting better.
sellersm
02-21-2013, 14:07
Everyone must have missed Ruger's e-mail your reps / letter they sent out. IIRC it's on this board somewhere.
You mean this post? http://www.ar-15.co/threads/81895-Want-a-real-easy-way-to-contact-your-representatives-Ruger-Take-Action-Link
Great-Kazoo
02-21-2013, 14:12
You mean this post? http://www.ar-15.co/threads/81895-Want-a-real-easy-way-to-contact-your-representatives-Ruger-Take-Action-Link
That's the one. you're getting the hang of it;) Not a dupe but a watchful eye.
hollohas
02-21-2013, 14:56
The Blaze is keeping a list of gun companies who are publicly stating they will stop government sales to anti-gun states.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/20/have-any-more-gun-makers-stopped-selling-to-anti-2nd-amendment-states-oh-yeah-lots-more/
Seems there is a pissing match with ArmaLite right now.
They sent out this email to someone:
Dear concerned gun owner,
First of all I would like to say thank you for filling my email with all this spam email.
Second, I am not sure where you got this blanket email from to send out as spam, but please stop it.
Third, The manufacturer is not the one you need to convince.
You need to convince the law enforcement agencies and the common people about their mistake in electing these officials and have them removed. Again NOT the manufacture.
AR Stands for ArmaLite…
Respectfully,
Pat Raley
And then the ArmaLite president responded with:
My purpose here is to pass on his (Raley’s) apology from the corporate level and to answer the initial question: What is ArmaLite going to do?
ArmaLite is continuing a policy put into place when California first banned our rifles. That policy remains:
1. We will not sell to those states which deny it’s honorable citizens the right to own ArmaLite’s.
2. We do not halt sales to individual officers even in problematic states. I am a former Police Officer myself, and the staffer who stimulated the recent anger is a currently serving one. We are well familiar with the fact that most rifles serving Police Officers are purchased by the officers themselves, and that they shouldn’t be punished for the actions of their political elite.
We consider sales to those sate subdivisions which are not engaged or potentially engaged with disarming its citizens. DNR and Forestry Departments, for instance, sometimes serve in remote areas that conceal drug farms and their officers deserve good hardware.
And then Alex Arms said:
Going forward, Armalite products will not be stocked by Alex Arms until they change their policy.You either support the Second Amendment, or you do not. Armalite apparently does not. They have drawn their line in the sand and have decided to stand on the side of tyranny instead of We, The People.
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