View Full Version : My former teacher was fired for his beliefs on gay marriage
buckeye4rnr
02-11-2013, 22:15
While I'm not gay I have no problem with two people of the same sex getting married. I find it quite shameful that my former teacher was let go by the Archdiocese of Cincinnati for his beliefs.
Best teacher I ever had and I certainly don't agree with a lot of his political standings but I've gotta give him my support on this.
http://www.700wlw.com/pages/EddieTracy.html?article=10802424
A high school administrator was fired today for expressing his support for same sex marriage.
The Archdiocese of Cincinnati confirms that Purcell Marian Assistant Principal Michael Moroski was dismissed today.
Moroski was placed on leave last week after sharing his views on his personal blog.
Moroski says the school offered to keep him on until June if he would sign papers taking back his earlier statements. He refused.
Story filed on Sunday, February 10, 2013
Take it down or give up your job-that was the decision facing Purcell Marian assistant principal Mike Moroski after comments he made on his personal website in support of gay marriage. It drew the attention of the Archdiocese of Cincinnati.
Local 12 reporter Adam Clements spoke with students, who say they support Moroski 100% and plan on fighting to save his job.
It started with a blog entry on the personal website of Mike Moroski, one in which he stated he supported gay marriage. The Catholic Archdiosese of Cincinnati told him to take it down and Moroski refused. Now with his job hanging in the balance, his students are showing that they've got his back. Iain Applebee, a Purcell Marian student, says "He connects with people. He's more than just an administrator."
Moroski was placed on administrative leave last week and already the student body is feeling the effects. "Now that he's gone, it's just like there's a giant black hole where he once was."
Iain Applebee is one of many students helping to organize a number of protests this week in support of Moroski. He says punishing the assistant principal for expressing his own personal beliefs on his own personal website is an injustice. "I was kind of mad, but it seemed like the very thing the Catholic Church would do. So I was not surprised, but I was shocked that it would happen to him."
The comments in question are still posted to the site. Moroski says "I unabashedly believe that gay people should be allowed to marry.. ethically.. morally.. and legally. I believe this."
Applebee believes the vast majority of students will stand behind Moroski. He says "It's only right to be there for someone who's always been there for so many. We will not give in..we're going to make ourselves heard..and we're not going to forget."
And right now.. the Archdiosease is not releasing any comment on the issue. So far, no official permanent action has been taken regarding the job status of Mike Moroski but it does figure to be an interesting week at Purcell.. with a number of student organized protests planned.
Regardless of what happens with Moroski's job... this more than likely won't be the last time we hear from him. Another recent entry on his website indicates he plans on running for Cincinnati City Council in 2017.
http://www.local12.com/news/local/story/Purcell-Marian-Assistant-Principal-Fired-Over-Gay/9BVUG3mXdE-44fuD0FP8Xg.cspx
buckeye4rnr
02-11-2013, 22:18
Here's the post that got him fired... http://mikemoroski.com/2013/01/choose-your-battles/
Southbridge
02-11-2013, 22:30
I understand people have very strong feelings on both sides of this issue. But what did he expect working for the Archdiocese? I feel bad for the man being out of a job, but as in a lot of things in life you either need to toe the line or leave the organization.
Sometimes you just have to know that your job is not a place where some things should be talked about. Good for him sticking to his beliefs though. There are always more jobs.
DavieD55
02-11-2013, 22:38
I see what is taking place here but most folks would rather turn a blind eye to it.
buckeye4rnr
02-11-2013, 22:47
Sometimes you just have to know that your job is not a place where some things should be talked about. Good for him sticking to his beliefs though. There are always more jobs.
He didn't ever talk about it while in school, they had the problem because of a post on his personal blog
He didn't ever talk about it while in school, they had the problem because of a post on his personal blog
Just like that girl teacher in Colorado. I think we can all agree that she should of been fired. Yes what she did is actually bad and this isn't but they were both on personal websites.
Well, you know how it is.. Talking about gays just might entice those easily impressionable kids and maybe even older folk that should just know better. [Roll1]
Personal blogs or not, people in teaching positions are considered teachers and representatives of the schools first, and people second. Just because someone's personal blog is theirs doesn't mean people turn a blind eye to what's written or posted. Privacy settings are there for a reason.
I'm personally sorry that he's been fired, especially as I imagine he's made a huge impact on a lot of young people. However, he had to have an inkling of the consequences if he was "caught." I hope another institution snaps him up quickly for their students.
." I hope another institution snaps him up quickly for their students.
Yeh, wouldn't want to miss the opportunity to brainwash some other peoples kids. Fuckin sickening libturds spreading their deviance.
Great-Kazoo
02-11-2013, 23:29
Yeh, wouldn't want to miss the opportunity to brainwash some other peoples kids. Fuckin sickening libturds spreading their deviance.
Yet untold numbers of kids were molested by priest and who knows who under an institution of Religion. Yeah i guess a personal opinion is cause for being terminated, yet actually doing it gets you moved to another diocese.
Originally Posted by Melvin http://www.ar-15.co/images/tf_ideal/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.ar-15.co/showthread.php?p=930569#post930569)
Yeh, wouldn't want to miss the opportunity to brainwash some other peoples kids. Fuckin sickening libturds spreading their deviance
jim
Yet untold numbers of kids were molested by priest and who knows who under an institution of Religion. Yeah i guess a personal opinion is cause for being terminated, yet actually doing it gets you moved to another diocese.
The usual useless comments that won a trip to the ignore list. [Roll1]
Gay and pedo are two different things. My guess is they were looking for a reason to fire Mr. Moroski and his blog was convenient.
USAFGopherMike
02-12-2013, 00:08
Personal blogs or not, people in teaching positions are considered teachers and representatives of the schools first, and people second. Just because someone's personal blog is theirs doesn't mean people turn a blind eye to what's written or posted. Privacy settings are there for a reason.
I'm personally sorry that he's been fired, especially as I imagine he's made a huge impact on a lot of young people. However, he had to have an inkling of the consequences if he was "caught." I hope another institution snaps him up quickly for their students.
Liberal drivel aside, she's right. He didn't leave them much choice. Religion and free thinking don't mix. Regardless of how good an educator he may be, you can't very well work for Chevy and wish your company made F-150s, let alone tell everyone you think so. And he wasn't fired for his beliefs, he was fired for expressing them to the public which underminds his organization's beliefs.
theGinsue
02-12-2013, 00:19
I can see this thread heading in the same direction as other threads: bad!
Before this gets out of hand, I'm going to put this out there and I expect everyone to take note:
Every member is expected to be respectful to every other member. Watch your comments because another member may represent a demographic that you've chosen to speak badly about. The staff won't tolerate this. We value all of our members and we don't need someones personal attitudes scaring any folks away.
USAFGopherMike
02-12-2013, 00:54
I can see this thread heading in the same direction as other threads: bad!
Before this gets out of hand, I'm going to put this out there and I expect everyone to take note:
Every member is expected to be respectful to every other member. Watch your comments because another member may represent a demographic that you've chosen to speak badly about. The staff won't tolerate this. We value all of our members and we don't need someones personal attitudes scaring any folks away.
Before anyone gets upset... I love you all and respect your individuality.
Freedom of choice, Freedom of religion, Freedom of speech.
I'm glad we can express ourselves here and know at the same time at the end of the day, we're members of this forum because we collectively believe in the above and have the guns to ensure it stays that way.
Aloha_Shooter
02-12-2013, 01:29
Given today's political climate I was expecting a story going the other way -- getting fired for expressing a personal moral belief while working for the public school systems. Believe what you want but be prepared for a career change if you work for a religious institution and publicize beliefs that go counter to their beliefs. Sorry, no sympathy here; he was stupid for doing what he did and I'd say that even if I agreed with him (just as I agreed with firing the generals and other officers that openly expressed contempt for Clinton while in uniform).
Teufelhund
02-12-2013, 01:45
In most instances, you have to make a considerable effort to keep your personal life separate from your professional life. Just like we don't want to hear teachers in the classroom preaching their Marxist agenda to our kids, the Archdiocese doesn't want to see one of his teachers blogging about his support of gay marriage. This sort of ties back to our previous conversation about flipping off a judge: do you have the right to speak your mind? Absolutely. Keep in mind there may be consequences; just or not, that is the reality.
Now I'm going to pick on something from the article totally unrelated to the main topic:
In our culture we have clichés such as. . .“6 1/2, dozen or the other,”
Holy illiteracy, Batman. This guy was a teacher? It's "Six of one, half a dozen of the other." That shit above doesn't even make sense!
sorry if I offended any illiterates on the forum.
From the article link in the original post- "Regardless of what happens with Moroski's job... this more than likely won't be the last time we hear from him. Another recent entry on his website indicates he plans on running for Cincinnati City Council in 2017. "
It almost looks like he started his run for city council early.
Byte Stryke
02-12-2013, 05:43
IBL
Yeh, wouldn't want to miss the opportunity to brainwash some other peoples kids. Fuckin sickening libturds spreading their deviance.
you know what they say about homophobes.......
spqrzilla
02-12-2013, 08:48
I've no sympathy myself. A religious school has a very specific mission. The teacher publicly stated that he opposed a part of their canon. He wanted to be fired and he accomplished it.
WOW! I attended Purcell as a freshman and sophomore. I have a good friend that teaches there so I'll have to drop him a line and get his take on what happened.
Hey Teufelhund good catch!
"....In our culture we have clichés such as. . .“6 1/2, dozen or the other,”..."
- This has to be a Cincinnati thing. I've heard people misquote that phrase often in "Porkopolis".
This just in.... U.S. Undersecretary of Bloat fired for posting on facebuk page that Romney should have won and that the Obama Administration is comprised of Fabian Socialists.
As spqrzilla said, this Gentleman wanted to be fired.
Aloha_Shooter
02-12-2013, 09:13
In our culture we have clichés such as. . .“6 1/2, dozen or the other,”[/quote]
Holy illiteracy, Batman. This guy was a teacher? It's "Six of one, half a dozen of the other." That shit above doesn't even make sense![/QUOTE]
So if I was to tell you I used a "38, 39, whatever it took" to shoot someone ... what would that mean? [ROFL3] [ROFL2][ROFL3]
In our culture we have clichés such as. . .“6 1/2, dozen or the other,”
So if I was to tell you I used a "38, 39, whatever it took" to shoot someone ... what would that mean? [ROFL3] [ROFL2][ROFL3]
"But...this one goes to 11"
KestrelBike
02-12-2013, 10:09
Sometimes you just have to know that your job is not a place where some things should be talked about. Good for him sticking to his beliefs though. There are always more jobs.
An episcopalian school would probably love to have him. Catholic Church is hurting these days.
I have to say - I'm with the school on this one. This is America - you are free to express yourself however you see fit, and the people employing you are equally (or should be) free to fire you for it. Private institutions should have complete discretion over who they employ, and whether or not to keep them.
Unless you are self employed and therefore not "fireable", there are times/places when you need to keep your personal opinions to yourself or you just might reap the consequences.
you know what they say about homophobes.......
No that is what libturds say about normal people.
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRfjF6LlGhMNmDJ-fWpuZl8ip4uRSbj9IHyOdkb1BN0cDYo-M6h
kidicarus13
02-12-2013, 11:47
I've no sympathy myself. A religious school has a very specific mission. The teacher publicly stated that he opposed a part of their canon.
Well stated
Yeh, wouldn't want to miss the opportunity to brainwash some other peoples kids. Fuckin sickening libturds spreading their deviance.
In case anyone else misunderstoood what I meant to convey, and in the case that I expressed myself poorly, I would like to explain this a little bit further. I don't doubt that Melvin will call me a "fuckin libturd" every opportunity he gets, despite the fact that he does not know me. That's not my point.
In the original post, bogman2121 stated that despite political differences, this was the best teacher he ever had. I, too, have had teachers that have had a profound impact on my life. In both instances, specific teachers were able to affect us as we were growing up- and they didn't use their political and/or religious beliefs to "infect" us, unlike Ward Churchill. There is a happy medium where there are teachers that believe differently than other people, and yet recognize that political leanings are separate from their job. Students that age (high school) are also able to determine their own politcial leanings, which are separate from instructors. What I meant from my so-called "liberal drivel" was that he sounds like he had an effect on bogman2121, which means he no doubt was an excellent teacher. There is a deficit of truly good teachers in this country; at the time I had hoped that he would be snapped up by another school (after he learned from this firing) so that more students could benefit from his non-political teachings. That was my meaning, and I apologize for expecting a text-based environment to be able to convey my tone and expecting you to understand what was going around in my brain. :)
buckeye4rnr
02-12-2013, 12:34
In case anyone else misunderstoood what I meant to convey, and in the case that I expressed myself poorly, I would like to explain this a little bit further. I don't doubt that Melvin will call me a "fuckin libturd" every opportunity he gets, despite the fact that he does not know me. That's not my point.
In the original post, bogman2121 stated that despite political differences, this was the best teacher he ever had. I, too, have had teachers that have had a profound impact on my life. In both instances, specific teachers were able to affect us as we were growing up- and they didn't use their political and/or religious beliefs to "infect" us, unlike Ward Churchill. There is a happy medium where there are teachers that believe differently than other people, and yet recognize that political leanings are separate from their job. Students that age (high school) are also able to determine their own politcial leanings, which are separate from instructors. What I meant from my so-called "liberal drivel" was that he sounds like he had an effect on bogman2121, which means he no doubt was an excellent teacher. There is a deficit of truly good teachers in this country; at the time I had hoped that he would be snapped up by another school (after he learned from this firing) so that more students could benefit from his non-political teachings. That was my meaning, and I apologize for expecting a text-based environment to be able to convey my tone and expecting you to understand what was going around in my brain. :)
He was a great teacher. He never once mentioned his political beliefs in school and all he ever wanted us to do was think for ourselves, form an opinion, and be able to defend that opinion in a respectful and knowledgeable way no matter what we believed in.
Far too few teachers care enough to act like that and far too many will only want you to believe what they themselves believe. I feel bad for Mike, I can see why he was let go but that doesn't mean I agree with it. Of all the issues the church has, a great teacher not towing the line is the least of them and they alienated a lot of people in Cincinnati because of this.
I don't doubt that Melvin will call me a "fuckin libturd" every opportunity he gets, despite the fact that he does not know me. That's not my point...
Just an FYI - if you go to "settings", there's a button on the lefthand side for "edit ignore list". Adding a user to the ignore list automatically blocks PMs from them, and distills their endless vapid posts to a polite "message not shown because you are ignoring this user" or something to that effect. I've found it useful shortly after Melvin joined the site. Differing opinions, skilled arguers, smartass are all fine. But some folks are just more of a repetitive irritation. PSA over. :-)
Just an FYI - if you go to "settings", there's a button on the lefthand side for "edit ignore list". Adding a user to the ignore list automatically blocks PMs from them, and distills their endless vapid posts to a polite "message not shown because you are ignoring this user" or something to that effect. I've found it useful shortly after Melvin joined the site. Differing opinions, skilled arguers, smartass are all fine. But some folks are just more of a repetitive irritation. PSA over. :-)
Thank you! I appreciate the PSA. :)
USAFGopherMike
02-12-2013, 20:04
Don't be mad Grey. I'm not hating on you :). I went to HS and a bit of College in the DC area, some of which was spent around a bunch of senator's kids who happened to be snotty little shits that were VERY left in the their beliefs. There were also quite a few teachers at those schools that tried to impart their way of thinking on their students. I didn't appreciate that. Over the years, it's become apparent that at higher levels of learning, teachers are hired/fired based on their political leanings and a majority of professors seem to be liberals for some reason. I find that unbalanced and upsetting. One of my neighbors whom I drink and grill animals with is married to a teacher and she told me most of her coworkers are liberals who voted for Obama, support his policies, and infuse their lessons with bias. Those kids turn 18 and as misinformed voters elect poor leaders. For the record, I'm not a homophobe. I have lots of friends who happen to be gay and it's never been an issue. I don't know this teacher but the fact that someone would say they were influential obviously says something about their ability as an educator and/or mentor.
Don't be mad Grey. I'm not hating on you :). I went to HS and a bit of College in the DC area, some of which was spent around a bunch of senator's kids who happened to be snotty little shits that were VERY left in the their beliefs. There were also quite a few teachers at those schools that tried to impart their way of thinking on their students. I didn't appreciate that. Over the years, it's become apparent that at higher levels of learning, teachers are hired/fired based on their political leanings and a majority of professors seem to be liberals for some reason. I find that unbalanced and upsetting. One of my neighbors whom I drink and grill animals with is married to a teacher and she told me most of her coworkers are liberals who voted for Obama, support his policies, and infuse their lessons with bias. Those kids turn 18 and as misinformed voters elect poor leaders. For the record, I'm not a homophobe. I have lots of friends who happen to be gay and it's never been an issue. I don't know this teacher but the fact that someone would say they were influential obviously says something about their ability as an educator and/or mentor.
I'm not mad at all, USAFGM. I was annoyed briefly until I remembered that I've lived my entire life very happily without certain people in it. The ignore feature helped me to put that into effect again.
It took us 15 years to reach escape velocity from the DC area- I understand your meaning completely of the incessant barrage of liberal viewpoint; I can only imagine how discouraging it would be to be a student in a situation where the teachers abused their authority. I know the incessant haranguing if I didn't agree with people helped to hone my once-pleasant demeanor into something less so. I don't understand the mentality of the East Coasters and their political views.
Bogman2121, I certainly see your point. They're throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
While I'm not gay I have no problem with two people of the same sex getting married. I find it quite shameful that my former teacher was let go by the Archdiocese of Cincinnati for his beliefs.
Best teacher I ever had and I certainly don't agree with a lot of his political standings but I've gotta give him my support on this.
http://www.700wlw.com/pages/EddieTracy.html?article=10802424
http://www.local12.com/news/local/story/Purcell-Marian-Assistant-Principal-Fired-Over-Gay/9BVUG3mXdE-44fuD0FP8Xg.cspx
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