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Sorry folks, not going to read 26 pages and counting on the forum...
So, are the universal background checks and hi-cap magazine laws look like they are going to pass or be defeated?
Please tell me good news...!
They were guaranteed to pass before they hit committee. But I appreciate the resistance put forth by the people who showed up opposing today. This is too good for too many political careers - it's an easy PR storm to cash in. Colorado turned California years ago.
blacklabel
02-12-2013, 18:40
UBC passed committee with a 7-4 party line vote. No other votes have been taken.
They were guaranteed to pass before they hit committee. But I appreciate the resistance put forth by the people who showed up opposing today. This is too good for too many political careers - it's an easy PR storm to cash in. Colorado turned California years ago.
^^^^This
How do they implement UBC's?
My advice... make friends with somebody out of state who can ship... assorted chocolates and collectible trinkets... to you when necessary. Stock up like hell now. And then do as I intend to, and move in a year or two. This horseshit has less chance of passing federally. (Not guaranteed - just less of a chance.)
Not sure yet, but I would recommend picking up whatever you want now. The current Colorado 4473 isn't as invasive as I once thought (thanks to some info from FFL forum members), and there's still plenty of decent deals to be had on Armslist and on the forum here. UBC's will be tantamount to registration and will undoubtedly tie your SSN to the SN on the gun.
If they do pass it and do manage to keep their jobs come election time. Then Colorado is lost.
Tinelement
02-12-2013, 19:54
Thanks for starting this thread.
I didn't wanna read all that either.
Do we have anymore info other the UBC's??
sabot_round
02-12-2013, 19:55
If they do pass it and do manage to keep their jobs come election time. Then Colorado is lost.
I second this motion!! We're doomed!![Mad]
Great-Kazoo
02-12-2013, 20:04
Not sure yet, but I would recommend picking up whatever you want now. The current Colorado 4473 isn't as invasive as I once thought (thanks to some info from FFL forum members), and there's still plenty of decent deals to be had on Armslist and on the forum here. UBC's will be tantamount to registration and will undoubtedly tie your SSN to the SN on the gun.
You obviously don't realize the SSN is OPTIONAL. Perhaps less hysteria and more 4473 knowledge is a suggestion. No one makes you give your SSN, it is there to facilitate speedier approval if you have a common last name OR have been delayed before, because someone shares a similar name, but is unable to pass.
blacklabel
02-12-2013, 20:05
Do we have anymore info other the UBC's??
They're discussing the capacity limit now.
jackthewall81
02-12-2013, 20:06
They're discussing the capacity limit now.
If that passes we are I'm getting the hell outta here.
Are they going to have the same committee type thing for the school ccw and can anybody sign up?
Dlesh123
02-12-2013, 20:26
Are they going to have the same committee type thing for the school ccw and can anybody sign up?
Yes. House education committee hears HB 1226 tomorrow. Also house finance hears HB 1228 about paying for our own background checks tomorrow.
This is what it feels like to loose freedom. It must have been what Germany felt like under Hitler or Russia under Lenin, Stalin and many others. To have the freedom not given up but tricked into submission and blame us for it. This is always what happens when a Government gets to big for its own britches.
Yes. House education committee hears HB 1226 tomorrow. Also house finance hears HB 1228 about paying for our own background checks tomorrow.
Can anybody show up and talk?
With the democratic majority, what chance is there than any of these bills will fail?
Great-Kazoo
02-12-2013, 20:59
Can anybody show up and talk?
get there early and sign up on the list. MAP was #3 for todays deal
With the democratic majority, what chance is there than any of these bills will fail?
Considering the initial votes tonight were in favor of gun control legislation I'd say it's very likely the mag limits will pass. I started applying for out of state jobs a couple days ago, looks like I'll be applying for many more in the coming weeks.
blacklabel
02-12-2013, 21:09
Considering the initial votes tonight were in favor of gun control legislation I'd say it's very likely the mag limits will pass. I started applying for out of state jobs a couple days ago, looks like I'll be applying for many more in the coming weeks.
I've been listening to the proceedings and looking at job postings in Wyoming and Utah.
sending more emails. I'll be taking some proceeds from some of my sales and applying them directly against each of the folks that vote yes on these.
I'm not giving up, giving in, or conceding yet, but has anyone read the wording of the mag capacity legislation? I assume if it passes Brownell's will not ship me my P229 15-rnd mags I ordered months ago- but will I be able to keep my factory magazines that came with my firearm?
Great-Kazoo
02-12-2013, 21:58
I'm not giving up, giving in, or conceding yet, but has anyone read the wording of the mag capacity legislation? I assume if it passes Brownell's will not ship me my P229 15-rnd mags I ordered months ago- but will I be able to keep my factory magazines that came with my firearm?
1) Assume
2) your moving, so no worries.
On your feet or on your knees. How you choose to live, what you choose to comply with is.... your own choice.
1) Assume
2) your moving, so no worries.
On your feet or on your knees. How you choose to live, what you choose to comply with is.... your own choice.
Moving is not set in stone- it hinges on a lot of factors... plus with a new GF she has already said she's not cool with living in MT or ID... Sorry Carl, looks like we might not get to be neighbors. [Coffee]
And I probably speak for everyone here: "I'd rather die standing for what I believe than live on my knees."
dwalker460
02-12-2013, 22:11
I have high capacity magazines. Come get them, I will be kind enough to empty them upon arrival.
On your feet or on your knees. How you choose to live, what you choose to comply with is.... your own choice.
^THIS^ AFUCKINGMEN. That "cold dead hands" theology made an impact on me as a kid, and is still in the forefront of my convictions.
buckeye4rnr
02-12-2013, 23:22
I think I drove too far, I thought this was Colorado not California.
I think I drove too far, I thought this was Colorado not California.
Oh you didn't get the memo? Welcome to CA 2.0! [facepalm]
Dylan Never Sleeps
02-13-2013, 11:28
If they want my mags, they can have them... when there is a pile of brass under my dead body.
neversummer900
02-13-2013, 12:13
My hope is that 2 of the Democrats on the approprations committie will see fit to kill both hb 1224 and hb 1228 will die in said committie. I have written my rep and senator and spoke with my rep in person. If you are able (I know how life can get busy) go down and speak to your rep and senator face to face. If not letters and emails get the point accross too. And don't be afraid to talk to other reps also just because you don't live in their district dosn't mean you don't have a right to voice your opinion. Let's kill these bills before we have to challenge them in courts.
Delfuego
02-13-2013, 12:48
When they kick out your front door
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun
When the law break in
How you gonna go?
Shot down on the pavement
Or waiting in death row
You can crush us
You can bruise us
But you'll have to answer to
Oh, Guns of Brixton
Please replace "Brixton" with "Colorado" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiQoq-wqZxg Love the F'in Clash...
lowbeyond
02-13-2013, 12:55
Oh you didn't get the memo? Welcome to CA 2.0! [facepalm]
That or West NJ will work. 15 rnds makes it more like NJ then CA.
How Pathetic.
Its gonna throw the census off when Wyoming's population triples
gnihcraes
02-14-2013, 21:52
Without starting a new thread:
HB 1228 Tax on gun purchases.
So I really don't have any more items I "need" to purchase and will probably just boycott the tax by not purchasing anything If I can help it. If everyone does this, will CBI layoff folks that they cannot pay for?
Just thinking out loud I guess.
Without starting a new thread:
HB 1228 Tax on gun purchases.
So I really don't have any more items I "need" to purchase and will probably just boycott the tax by not purchasing anything If I can help it. If everyone does this, will CBI layoff folks that they cannot pay for?
Just thinking out loud I guess.
way it is written they will raise the fees if not generating enough to pay for CBI. Don't worry, nobody will lose their job...
lowbeyond
02-14-2013, 22:18
Heh Yep. Cbi needs a raise! Increase the poll tax on the gun owners!
All in favor? Aye. All opposed?...
Measure passes
*applause*
BPTactical
02-14-2013, 22:42
I spoke with my Rep (D-Tochtrop) for about 25 minutes today. She seems fairly down to earth and fairly moderate in her views. She did state that she didn't feel that there have been enough objective discussions on the subjects and did state Fields has had her proposals drafted for quite a while. She also stated that she and her colleagues are concerned about the levels of extreme opinions on either side of the subject. She gave me the impression that she would support the background checks and firearm purchasers paying for BGC.
She did agree with me that a mag ban would accomplish nothing and said she is unsure on campus carry.
Not what I wanted to hear really but at least a fairly honest answer and she does seem to view the subject somewhat objectively.
Unfortunately I cannot make tomorrow at the Capitol.
If you can go, please do. A show of numbers makes a compelling point.
gnihcraes
02-14-2013, 22:47
way it is written they will raise the fees if not generating enough to pay for CBI. Don't worry, nobody will lose their job...
too bad. I'm still doing without the best I can.
Great-Kazoo
02-14-2013, 23:20
I spoke with my Rep (D-Tochtrop) for about 25 minutes today. She seems fairly down to earth and fairly moderate in her views. She did state that she didn't feel that there have been enough objective discussions on the subjects and did state Fields has had her proposals drafted for quite a while. She also stated that she and her colleagues are concerned about the levels of extreme opinions on either side of the subject. She gave me the impression that she would support the background checks and firearm purchasers paying for BGC.
She did agree with me that a mag ban would accomplish nothing and said she is unsure on campus carry.
Not what I wanted to hear really but at least a fairly honest answer and she does seem to view the subject somewhat objectively.
Unfortunately I cannot make tomorrow at the Capitol.
If you can go, please do. A show of numbers makes a compelling point.
We know they have a picture of you, at every entrance.
What about buying out of state, like Wyoming?
BPTactical
02-15-2013, 06:06
What about buying out of state, like Wyoming?
You will be able to buy them wherever you want. It would be unlawful to transport them into the state.
jerrymrc
02-15-2013, 06:59
You will be able to buy them wherever you want. It would be unlawful to transport them into the state.
And they keep all those nasty fireworks from WY out of the state as well..........[Coffee]
Great-Kazoo
02-15-2013, 07:10
And they keep all those nasty fireworks from WY out of the state as well..........[Coffee]
Heroin sales have plummeted since the WOD started too
Quote Originally Posted by rocktot View Post
What about buying out of state, like Wyoming?
You will be able to buy them wherever you want. It would be unlawful to transport them into the state.
Plus I hear that PMags are date stamped, so if the 30 round mag ban does pass that's an additional problem.
Post Toastie
02-15-2013, 16:45
Plus I hear that PMags are date stamped, so if the 30 round mag ban does pass that's an additional problem.
The month and year the body was molded is in each PMag. Look for a small round circle with a number in the middle (year) and an arrow pointing to a number on the outer edge (month).
Heroin sales have plummeted since the WOD started too
Are you saying it is the bad magazines that make use this way? :)
Great-Kazoo
02-15-2013, 17:13
Are you saying it is the bad magazines that make use this way? :)
Absolutely.
Jackrabbit
02-15-2013, 18:18
I remember seeing plenty of LEO/MIL only marked mags around for sale during the AWB in the 90s.
Just saying.
Great-Kazoo
02-15-2013, 18:42
I remember seeing plenty of LEO/MIL only marked mags around for sale during the AWB in the 90s.
Just saying.
It makes no difference. Banned is banned.
Do they have a date? No, so who fucking cares, they want em they can come and take them.
TEAMRICO
02-15-2013, 19:45
Do they have a date? No, so who fucking cares, they want em they can come and take them.
THi I i ssssssss!
Jackrabbit
02-15-2013, 20:35
It makes no difference. Banned is banned.
The LEO mags were contraband too. Just like weed, cocaine, and machine guns.
Just saying, we're all about to become criminals at the stroke of a pen. Better start thinking like one.
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