PLEASE, don't move out of Colorado just yet!

[R2Chief2]

We may need your vote to get the morons out of office.

I've spoken to many people that have supported the Democratic party in the past but will not do so moving forward.
This could very well be a repeat of what happened nationally during the last "assault weapons" ban where many Dems lost their seats.

I moved from California to avoid this crap!
I don't want to move again...I like it here!

Isn't this forum for gun owners? Don't leave. Stand up and fight!

[O2HeN2]

The timing couldn't be better for the Dems (don't think that it's an accident or coincidence). Peoples' memory has a half-life of about 6 months. In two years this debacle will be forgotten by all but a few.

O2

[Chief_of_Scouts]

That is why this thread is so important...

http://www.ar-15.co/threads/88587-Recall-of-public-officials-Thread

[R2Chief2]

That is why this thread is so important...

http://www.ar-15.co/threads/88587-Recall-of-public-officials-Thread''

I'm all for that route too!

[zteknik]

I'm not going anywhere.
Digging in if you may.
To keep moving to avoid the onslaught of libs is ridiculous.Sooner or later theres no place to run to.
Better to hold your ground and make them leave!

[Mountain Man]

I have a few years left before I retire. Enough that if we fix it I will stay. If we don't I will have enough time to buy some land in a free state. I hope this debacle will pass and we can fix the state.

[Jeff350]

I'm here for a long time. We just moved in to the school district we like and won't be transplanting our kids. I will always be keeping my eye out for opportunities in free states, and working to set my family up financially so I don't have to put up with these democrats BS.

[hurley842002]

Born and raised here, and to far into my career with the CO .gov to go anywhere anytime soon. If I didn't have the time I've got invested into my job, it would likely be Texas, Arizona, Montana, or Alaska (yeah very broad climate extremes lol). I don't have and faith in "the people" of Colorado anymore. They spoke two years ago, and again in November.

[jraddy]

The timing couldn't be better for the Dems (don't think that it's an accident or coincidence). Peoples' memory has a half-life of about 6 months. In two years this debacle will be forgotten by all but a few.

O2
Then it is our job to make sure no one ever forgets. And to remind the traitors who pass these unconstitutional laws that we will hold them responsible .

[SAnd]

At least wait until the federal Congress has done their thing. It may be that federal anti-gun laws makes any move a waste of effort.

[BPTactical]

At least wait until the federal Congress has done their thing. It may be that federal anti-gun laws makes any move a waste of effort.

Some wisedom here. See how things play out a bit.
That being said, I have been considering other places.
This is my native state.
I dont feel at home any more though.....

[Goodburbon]

Honestly i dont have a plan to move yet. Im seriously considering all options. Federal law will have a large impact on my choice. I will continue to fight as long as i am here, and i will stay as long as i can stomach it.


Im literally sick over this. I am doing all i can from where i am and i still feel helpless.

[DeusExMachina]

I was going to make a thread like this. If things continue to go south with these bills, wait 2 years.

The AWB cost the Democrats the US House and the Senate in 1994. It can do the same in Colorado in 2014 if we try hard enough.

[avandelay]

Then it is our job to make sure no one ever forgets. And to remind the traitors who pass these unconstitutional laws that we will hold them responsible .

This. We drive home that it had no impact on crime and drove business out of this so-called business friendly state.

[mtnrider]

I'm here for the long haul and have no intentions of leaving. I will fight to get this state out of the dumps and back on it's feet. Running solves nothing. It gives the Dems another victory and a even more stronghold here. Once that happens they will move on to the next state. So that Wyoming move that looks so good now very well could be the next California in 5 years.

[TheGrey]

I'm drawing the line right here. I may not be a native, but my spouse and I are here for the long haul. This is home, and I'll be damned if some elected riffraff is going to determine whether my Constitutional rights are going to be revoked because their emotions get in the way of reasoning. Time to oust the scoundrels and parasites.

I'm here for the long haul.

[sroz]

I'm drawing the line right here. I may not be a native, but my spouse and I are here for the long haul. This is home, and I'll be damned if some elected riffraff is going to determine whether my Constitutional rights are going to be revoked because their emotions get in the way of reasoning. Time to oust the scoundrels and parasites.

I'm here for the long haul.

Same here. Been here 16+ years, got 2 more to get thru college & figure my kids will likely live in this area. As Grey says, I'm also planning to be here for the long haul.

[MED]

Colorado is being used as a national target for gun control. It doesn't matter if you want to move or not move. What is important is that all gun owners in this state need to stand up and fight for Colorado as well as other states. We need to make the Democrats pay for what they are doing so they feel the sting from it here and in other states. If they succeed without consequence, then the 2nd amendment will have an assault on it like no other. It is the time to gather strength in Colorado and put as much effort into the next two years as never before. If not, we are deed...everywhere!

[68Charger]

Im literally sick over this. I am doing all i can from where i am and i still feel helpless.

Let it turn to something else... Bought another firearm today, just to defy them...

Reading crap bills, finding TONS of holes in then that make them harmless...
Background checks don't apply to 80% receivers... Don't get me started on the dozen + holes in the mag bill-o-crap...

If they want to ignore us, I can find ways to ignore them... They are irrelevant in the big picture.
And they REALLY SUCK at writing bills written in English, like it's not their native language, or they are just f'ing stupid.

[BPTactical]

Colorado is being used as a national target for gun control. It doesn't matter if you want to move or not move. What is important is that all gun owners in this state need to stand up and fight for Colorado as well as other states. We need to make the Democrats pay for what they are doing so they feel the sting from it here and in other states. If they succeed without consequence, then the 2nd amendment will have an assault on it like no other. It is the time to gather strength in Colorado and put as much effort into the next two years as never before. If not, we are deed...everywhere!


Very well put MED.
I am 3rd generation and I love my state and what it offers. It is all I know.

But like I have said before, there is something wrong if Brucey and Jeffy can sit and play hubby and wifey and do whatever they do and do bong hits all day under the shadow of law and their "rights"
but law abiding citizens rights are trampled.

Seriously fucked up guys.

But, I am not one to back down from a fight either.
Just kinda feel like all of my bretheren got a kick in the nuts though

[VDW]

Let it turn to something else...

I LOVE IT! I got the original Red Dawn quote right away, but that probably dates me....

[Goodburbon]

Let it turn to something else... Bought another firearm today, just to defy them...

Reading crap bills, finding TONS of holes in then that make them harmless...
Background checks don't apply to 80% receivers... Don't get me started on the dozen + holes in the mag bill-o-crap...

If they want to ignore us, I can find ways to ignore them... They are irrelevant in the big picture.
And they REALLY SUCK at writing bills written in English, like it's not their native language, or they are just f'ing stupid.

I bought one last week. Unfortunately I haven't taken delivery yet, and if they decide to enact the bill immediately I'll end up with a gun that it would be illegal for me to acquire magazines for. They don't make 15 rd mags for a suomi m31.

What it'll turn into is me marching down the highway to the capitol to throw some people out on their asses.

[brobar]

Please stick around and help me fight! We fled CA about 4 years ago and thought CO was a free state. I'm not a CA native though... I'm originally from MO but the military had me stationed all over. While CA was too far gone to save... I don't think CO is even close to that, yet! I don't want to leave CO like I did CA. I want to stay and fight! It isn't going to be easy. It will take some time and effort. We will have to mobilize and get the vote out next election. If they can do it for the pot initiative... I know we can do it too. There HAS to be more gun owners than pot smokers in this state!!! We need to make an example out of every single lib in office!!!

[palepainter]

Diggin in. I will be going no where. Hopefully, the next mid term election will turn some heads and put some assholes in place.

[kj4963]

Waiting to see how it pans out, but looking into possible relocation areas. Montana, Wyoming, Utah and Arizona are introducing measures to tell the feds to F.... off with their gun control laws. I would like to stick around long enough to vote against the liberals though.

[DeusExMachina]

Midterm elections are typically no shows for people unless there are important issues at stake. Voting every Dem out is the most important issue I've had the opportunity to vote for in my life.

[jmg8550]

If these current proposed anti gun laws pass, I'm out of here and moving north. Repealing these laws will be a whole lot harder to do than getting them passed in the first place. The damage will already be done, throwing them out of office won't do any good. Colorado is on the downward spiral. Welcome to Kalifornia, comrades.

[Geology Rocks]

My family lives in boston and they are calling Colorado....massachusetts west, or Kalifornia east. I really wish we didn just buy a house here.

[brobar]

Midterm elections are typically no shows for people unless there are important issues at stake. Voting every Dem out is the most important issue I've had the opportunity to vote for in my life.

Exactly... which is why it *should* be pretty easy to make a shift in the General Assembly makeup if we get the vote out. There will be some (Denver, Aurora, Boulder) that will be difficult to move out, but other areas shouldn't be as difficult. It all comes down to the gun owners.

Did you know that Hick won the gubernatorial race with only 900,000 votes out of a possible 3.6 million? 2.7 million people did not vote for him! If the gun owners would get off of their ass and actually take the time to vote, we could do this. If you think it takes too much time to go outside and vote... go online and change your registration to permanent absentee vote and you won't even have to ever leave your house... you can vote from your couch in your underwear if you want!

I'm surprised at the number of people who have jobs they can so easily drop to leave the state and go to other states... especially with the economy and unemployment out there. I'm sure there is a percentage of people who could pull that off... but I can't believe the number of people who are saying "I'm gone" with this economy and unemployment. What do you guys do that make it so easy to drop everything here and just pick right up in another state in this economy?

[bellavite1]

Stay and fight.
LEGALLY.
As of today I have dated pictures stored on different devices and computers .
I also have folders with the dated confirmation emails of my current orders .
Everything will be stored safely and LEGALLY.
I placed orders for range practice mags in case this bullshit becomes law.
Do the same, dig in and educate your children.
Democrats have been infiltrating our teachers for decades and they are litterally brainwashing the next generation.
Do not let it happen or soon all this will have been "normalized" and our generation will be "those-crazy-gun-nuts-reactionaries-thank-God-Obama-got-rid-of-them".
Stay strong.

[lowbeyond]

and when they change the round count to 10 then 7 and no grandfathering without registration? Or how about a mandatory Mental Health screen ? Or say no FTF ammo sales without a BCG?

You gonna keep your status as a Law Abiding Citizen and do things legally as well ?

ETA. That is how it works. They pass stupid shit and depend on a majority of people not wanting to be a "criminal". So they get compliance with out a fight figuratively and literally.

After all if you are a criminal, you cannot write to your masters begging for another bowl of porridge with the preface blah blah "law abiding citizen"

[ruffian]

When Japan pulled off Pearl Harbor they expected a negotiated settlement..........they woke a sleeping giant. GAME ON........Midway next stop.

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[Batts1911]

I was planning to move to Colorado to get away from this crazy gun control shit here in Mass...So this news is pretty depressing. That being said coming from Mass to Colorado is still a huge upgrade, and I plan on helping out when I get there.

[bellavite1]

and when they change the round count to 10 then 7 and no grandfathering without registration? Or how about a mandatory Mental Health screen ? Or say no FTF ammo sales without a BCG?

You gonna keep your status as a Law Abiding Citizen and do things legally as well ?

And your solution is?
By breaking the law, injust that it may be, you will be just proving their point, you'll end up on a newspaper as the crazy-extremist gun nut.
Live to fight another day.
NOT A GOOD TIME TO FIGHT EACH OTHER, WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME BOAT.
But hey, if you want to leave, do it, you may be able to keep your mags for another five years before the libs make it wherever you'll go.

[silentshooter]

I have already told my company that I am going to be working out of the miami office all the time now. No more denver office for me other than the occasional meeting I need to be at in person

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[Celt]

If we are going to beat Dems then the Republican party in this state must have a leadership purge. If they keep going back to the same well of candidates (a Coors family member, Bob Beauprez) and can't articulate LIBERTARIAN positions in a persuasive way, Dems WILL win again. They sat on their laurels for years and told themselves that all they have to do is run any candidate that wears a cowboy hat and boots and it would be a winner. Those days are over. I hope that they can acknowledge this and seek help from other successful state Republican parties to assist and that can push forward new, young, dynamic candidates in '14.

Also a side note for the Republican party nationwide, STOP BEING SO NICE!. We need far less Orrin Hatch, and a lot more TED CRUZ! http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/16/us/politics/ted-cruz-runs-counter-to-courtly-ways-of-the-senate.html?_r=0

[muddywings]

A lot of people point out that mid-term elections have low turn outs. In the end I think that is what destroyed the (D) majority at the national level in 96 after the 94 AWB. The law abiding voters who were affected by the AWB didn't forget and came out in mass. Everybody else was like ehhh...Bill's in office, we have a ton of (D)s in the House/Senate....ehhh.

At a local level, while the pain will be here for a few years I think/hope that their will be a similar turnout. Oddly enough I am not a glass half full type of guy but in the end, for the short term pain, I think this will be good in the long run. Everything is cyclical. My own personal hope is we have stronger (R)s who lean more toward the libertarian side.

Hell, the other half of the voter population will be to stoned to know there is an election!!

[R2Chief2]

Stay and fight.
LEGALLY.
As of today I have dated pictures stored on different devices and computers .
I also have folders with the dated confirmation emails of my current orders .
Everything will be stored safely and LEGALLY.
I placed orders for range practice mags in case this bullshit becomes law.
Do the same, dig in and educate your children.
Democrats have been infiltrating our teachers for decades and they are litterally brainwashing the next generation.
Do not let it happen or soon all this will have been "normalized" and our generation will be "those-crazy-gun-nuts-reactionaries-thank-God-Obama-got-rid-of-them".
Stay strong.

I would consider myself more of a moderate, but this is one of the very reasons I left California...I didn't want to raise my children there!
My kids are now in a private Christian school and I hope I can keep them there.

[SG1]

If we are going to beat Dems then the Republican party in this state must have a leadership purge. If they keep going back to the same well of candidates (a Coors family member, Bob Beauprez) and can't articulate LIBERTARIAN positions in a persuasive way, Dems WILL win again. They sat on their laurels for years and told themselves that all they have to do is run any candidate that wears a cowboy hat and boots and it would be a winner. Those days are over. I hope that they can acknowledge this and seek help from other successful state Republican parties to assist and that can push forward new, young, dynamic candidates in '14.

Also a side note for the Republican party nationwide, STOP BEING SO NICE!. We need far less Orrin Hatch, and a lot more TED CRUZ! http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/16/us/politics/ted-cruz-runs-counter-to-courtly-ways-of-the-senate.html?_r=0

No more Bush`s or Regans, we need Rand Pauls and Berry Goldwaters, which the Ted Cruz is a memeber of the Real Conservative Movement that will take back the party, Neo-Cons feel free to move to the democartic party...WE DONT WANT OR NEED YOU,WE NEVER DID!

[USAFGopherMike]

Conservatives don't quit and run away, they get even.

[Goodburbon]

Conservatives don't quit and run away, they get even.
Quit?


What would all of you " dont run" contingent suggest as getting even?

Our rights stolen by politicians, we should wait it out and vote in different politicians, Then we will hope they do the right thing and actually take action to restore our rights? Lets face it, the first awb would still be in effect if it had required action to remove.

[USAFGopherMike]

Quit?


What would all of you " dont run" contingent suggest as getting even?

Our rights stolen by politicians, we should wait it out and vote in different politicians, Then we will hope they do the right thing and actually take action to restore our rights? Lets face it, the first awb would still be in effect if it had required action to remove.

Organize, mobilize, euthanize? J/k. Organizing is key. If more of the conservatives in this state had voted, we wouldn't be in this mess. Helping to educate the masses prevents the blind leading the blind and doing so can reverse the tide of liberal socialism with their feel good legislation and BS politics. We need good honest conservatives to fight back and defeat those that have taken away our rights. Leaving the state only helps them.

[Goodburbon]

If they criminalize my hobby, i either leave or become a criminal


I guess we could organize. Then we would have the strength of organized crime.

[USAFGopherMike]

I just mean getting all the forums/clubs/organizations/groups together to form a solid concerted opposition strong enough to take the state back.

[Goodburbon]

I think we would need a well organized militia for such a task.

[USAFGopherMike]

I think we would need a well organized militia for such a task.

*Raises hand* oh.. pick me! Reading Patriots right now actually.

[Goodburbon]

Good book.

[USAFGopherMike]

"We could build a big wooden badger..."

[Goodburbon]

Excellent reference

[brobar]

Organizing is key. If more of the conservatives in this state had voted, we wouldn't be in this mess.

DING DING DING! We had a 66% voter turnout last election and it was only that high (pardon the pun) because of the weed initiative. We had 1.2 million eligible voters either stay home or not mail in their ballot. With the ability to do permanent absentee ballot in this state... there should be NO excuse for not voting!

Too many people either lazy or thinking (my one vote won't matter). However, you can see that when others start thinking the same way and it becomes compounded... that vote really does matter!!!

[DavieD55]

Exactly... which is why it *should* be pretty easy to make a shift in the General Assembly makeup if we get the vote out. There will be some (Denver, Aurora, Boulder) that will be difficult to move out, but other areas shouldn't be as difficult. It all comes down to the gun owners.

Did you know that Hick won the gubernatorial race with only 900,000 votes out of a possible 3.6 million? 2.7 million people did not vote for him! If the gun owners would get off of their ass and actually take the time to vote, we could do this. If you think it takes too much time to go outside and vote... go online and change your registration to permanent absentee vote and you won't even have to ever leave your house... you can vote from your couch in your underwear if you want!

I'm surprised at the number of people who have jobs they can so easily drop to leave the state and go to other states... especially with the economy and unemployment out there. I'm sure there is a percentage of people who could pull that off... but I can't believe the number of people who are saying "I'm gone" with this economy and unemployment. What do you guys do that make it so easy to drop everything here and just pick right up in another state in this economy?


Dont forget to factor in the Illegal Alien vote.

[sandman76]

I've lived my entire life here in Colorado.

I'm so saddened by what has happened here since the last election. I can hardly stand it.

I wish I could up and move somewhere else but have too much invested in my life here. My business which requires State licensing and continued testing for proof of competency is my only way of making a living. I don't have the dough that Magpul has.

My few real estate holdings and my entire immediate family are in this State. I honestly love living here. Thankfully in a red county at least there is that.

I keep emailing every one in the legislature and the governor but hold little hope that it will ultimately have much effect. I feel their minds are made up at this point.

[silentshooter]

I'm surprised at the number of people who have jobs they can so easily drop to leave the state and go to other states... especially with the economy and unemployment out there. I'm sure there is a percentage of people who could pull that off... but I can't believe the number of people who are saying "I'm gone" with this economy and unemployment. What do you guys do that make it so easy to drop everything here and just pick right up in another state in this economy?

It helps when your company has offices in another state, and as a Network Engineer the state of the economy has not hurt finding jobs

[losttrail]

I believe we are on a downhill slide and things will get much worse before any hope of getting better.

The "low information voters" (LIV's) get their news from 30-second or less sound bites from the MSM. They believe the hype and lies put out by this administration and fomented by the MSM. They are too lazy to read, investigate and educate themselves on what is really going on. It is more important to them to know who the contestants are on American Idol or any of those other loser shows than to learn about our history and freedoms.

This trend will continue as long as we have a government populated by "Santa Claus" type politicians that bribe the populace into voting for them. Incrementalism has been working for the socialists/communists for decades in destroying our Republic and eroding our rights and freedoms.

While Colorado may have a lot going for it, unfortunately it is becoming more and more of a "California East". With a populace that is leaning more and more towards the "where is my free stuff", "I'm an illegal alien and Colorado will give me a living" and "I want to smoke pot for a living" mentality, I do not think that a reversal of course will come any time soon.

The current anti-gun mentality of the ruling party in Colorado is not the only issue I have with the negative trend of this state. I believe that healthcare, immigration, welfare, taxation are all going to become major detriments to freedom in this state.

The current political makeup of some of our neighboring states leads me to believe that I and my family will be much better suited to having a better shot at freedom lasting longer:

Montana - House = 61 (R), 39 (D); Senate = 29 (R), 21 (D); Gov = (D)
Wyoming - House = 52 (R), 8 (D); Senate = 26 (R), 4 (D); Gov = (R)
Idaho - House = 57 (R), 13 (D); Senate = 28 (R), 7 (D); Gov = (R)
Utah - House = 61 (R), 14 (D); Senate = 24 (R), 5 (D); Gov = (R)

I picked these states since I have no desire to move south; I don't like the heat, I love mountains and I'm originally a Montana boy.

With the trend that Colorado has taken in the 13 years we've been here, the current makeup of political leadership and no hope in sight of removing the Dems from power, I do not see how by next election the Repub's can take power back even in one branch of the state.

The one problem we have with moving is that my wife needs access to an airport large enough to access all the places she needs to travel for her work. Her company's home office is Sunnyvale, CA so she is there 1-2 weeks per month. With our kids going off to college this coming fall, she wants to get back on the "corporate climb" and has talked about moving to CA. "Have a nice time and write often" is my response.

Who knows where God will lead us.

[th3w01f]

It helps when your company has offices in another state, and as a Network Engineer the state of the economy has not hurt finding jobs

Agreed, Network Engineering makes it pretty easy; the networking job market as a whole has stayed very strong (the company I work for has grown from $200M in sales in 2007 to over $1B this year and gone from 500 employees to over 2000.

[Jesus-With-A-.45]

I'm sorry to say, but you guys just don't get it........this didn't just happen last election, it's been happening for 25 years. If they pass these "antigun" bills it will just be the start, not the end.......you'll never get them overturned, ever! If I was you & I am, I'd start lobbying Wyoming to build a fence with guard towers & machine guns, because your fighting a battle that can't nor won't be won.

[Ronin13]

The one problem we have with moving is that my wife needs access to an airport large enough to access all the places she needs to travel for her work. Her company's home office is Sunnyvale, CA so she is there 1-2 weeks per month. With our kids going off to college this coming fall, she wants to get back on the "corporate climb" and has talked about moving to CA. "Have a nice time and write often" is my response.

Who knows where God will lead us.
Most of the Southern towns of WY are only about 1-2 hours from Denver... Hell, my drive to DIA is about 1hr.

[losttrail]

Most of the Southern towns of WY are only about 1-2 hours from Denver... Hell, my drive to DIA is about 1hr.

Agreed, but most of southern Wyoming is butt-ugly. I spent a few years living around Billings when I was a kid. I like trees, mountains and moisture. Barren prairie doesn't get it. My wife will NOT move to some wind-swept, sage brush covered prairie.

Also, we are NOT going to live in the 'fungus' of some city or town. Been there, done that, hated it. Looking for minimum of 10 acres.

We currently live in Monument (Woodmoor) east of I-25 up in the forest. Have deer, fox, coyote, bear in our yard regularly. Want a place with more of that.

[jackthewall81]

Sorry fellas, I am outta here. Luckily I am young and able to move, but colorado is just gonna keep getting worse. The liberals will flock here and the crime will follow.

[buckshotbarlow]

I'm in the same boat, but now looking at wyoming really hard...


I've lived my entire life here in Colorado.

I'm so saddened by what has happened here since the last election. I can hardly stand it.

I wish I could up and move somewhere else but have too much invested in my life here. My business which requires State licensing and continued testing for proof of competency is my only way of making a living. I don't have the dough that Magpul has.

My few real estate holdings and my entire immediate family are in this State. I honestly love living here. Thankfully in a red county at least there is that.

I keep emailing every one in the legislature and the governor but hold little hope that it will ultimately have much effect. I feel their minds are made up at this point.

[dubseven]

Sorry fellas, I am outta here. Luckily I am young and able to move, but colorado is just gonna keep getting worse. The liberals will flock here and the crime will follow.

Yep. Looking at moving my business out of state, have been for some time, and this latest legislation is the proverbial straw....

[Dave_L]

I have 2 years or so before I could viably look at out-of-state opportunities. That'll be enough time to see if there's any hope left for Colorado.

[Ronin13]

Sorry fellas, I am outta here. Luckily I am young and able to move, but colorado is just gonna keep getting worse. The liberals will flock here and the crime will follow.
Yep- pretty much just got proved today that our kind isn't welcome here... Now I'm just looking for reasons NOT to move to WY... So far the reasons in favor heavily outweigh the contrary.

[DHCO]

Wyoming or Montana look great. Hopefully Democrats haven't found out about those states yet

[Singlestack]

Dems won't go there - too cold/windy for them. OTOH, Colorado is perfect and they have Denver and boulder.

[Ronin13]

Just wanted to start something to share some helpful info about other, safer states to be a gun owner...
I'm looking at moving to WY- mainly because I can still go snowboarding (unlike TX), it's close to home so I can visit family, and property values seem pretty agreeable. Now the question is where in WY? I've looked at Laramie and Jackson... wondering if there are any other places that aren't in E. WY where it's miles of flat land and very windy, as opposed to some terrain and windy. [Coffee]

[Zundfolge]

Wyoming or Montana look great. Hopefully Democrats haven't found out about those states yet

Missoula (and to a lesser degree; Billings) are apparently packed to the gills with libtards. Of all the Rocky Mountain "conservative stronghold" states, I'd say Montana is probably the least secure. MUCH better advantage for conservatives in Wyoming, Idaho and Utah.

At any rate, I believe that the "OMG GUN CONTROL I'M OUTTA HERE!" response by many conservatives here in Colorado is the PRIMARY purpose for these proposed gun control laws.

My recommendation is to stick it out here a couple years and see if we can't turn it back ... if we can't I'll be right there with y'all looking at real estate in Utah or Idaho.

But if too many of us turn tail and run then the leftists will win and the more states they control, the more power they have in DC and the greater the chance of the entire nation falling (followed by extremely bloody and costly war which I give the proponents of liberty and the Constitution a less than 50% chance of winning).

[WETWRKS]

Look up in the north west. Cody, Powell area. Lived in Powell for about 10 years as a kid. Nice community. Mountains, hunting, close enough to Billings Montana for "big city shopping".

[redneck122]

Look up in the north west. Cody, Powell area. Lived in Powell for about 10 years as a kid. Nice community. Mountains, hunting, close enough to Billings Montana for "big city shopping".
+1 for Cody. The nicest part of the state IMO

[lebru]

You can still commute to Denver from Cheyenne if you really wanted to...

[BigDee]

I put out another 20 resumes today. We're trying to relocate to either Phoenix or Dallas.

[jackthewall81]

Upstate South Carolina or Eastern Tennessee is where you will find me.

[ChunkyMonkey]

I am going door to door this coming election and fight for my right to be restored. Fwak moving. I moved 8000 miles to here, not an inch anymore. If only you would put the effort, sweat, money, time that you would spend on moving onto the next election instead...

[Raul Duke]

My recommendation is to stick it out here a couple years and see if we can't turn it back ... if we can't I'll be right there with y'all looking at real estate in Utah or Idaho.

But if too many of us turn tail and run then the leftists will win and the more states they control, the more power they have in DC and the greater the chance of the entire nation falling (followed by extremely bloody and costly war which I give the proponents of liberty and the Constitution a less than 50% chance of winning).

I'm not one to back away from a fight, so I've got your 6. I'm with you for the next 4 yrs, but if we cant un-f%ck this by then, I'm oscar mike.

[islandermyk]

I am going door to door this coming election and fight for my right to be restored. Fwak moving. I moved 8000 miles to here, not an inch anymore. If only you would put the effort, sweat, money, time that you would spend on moving onto the next election instead...

me too... I'll stick around... I'll be keeping my nose clean.... [Beer]

[jslo]

This...............................for now

[Aloha_Shooter]

I'm not moving. The Kommiepornians need to move.

[jmg8550]

We are probably gonna move to Cheyenne, I already will be working up there.

[Byte Stryke]

its Commierado

[StagLefty]

How much room ya got Byte ?

[colo-pr]

I am going door to door this coming election and fight for my right to be restored. Fwak moving. I moved 8000 miles to here, not an inch anymore. If only you would put the effort, sweat, money, time that you would spend on moving onto the next election instead...

me too, I moved to here from a place with the most extrict gun laws that you can imagine (PR) and i bought a house here a month ago, is not easy for me moving out again, i will be fight to my right to be restored, i dont know how but i try it.

[fly boy]

Check out Laramie, Wheatland, Rock Springs, Green River, Gillete. There are places popping up all over now due to Oil.


BE WARNED.... Cheyenne is starting to come up in prices. People found that is actually not to bad of a place, and is a HUGE crossroads for I-25/I-80/Railroad. So the housing market is jumping like crazy. Look around, take some time, and really dig your heals in before you come to Cheyenne.

And when you are up here, shoot me a PM and we can grab a pint!

[hollohas]

Yep. Looking at moving my business out of state, have been for some time, and this latest legislation is the proverbial straw....

When you do, make sure they know why you pulled your business out of Colorado.

[Bailey Guns]

My recommendation is to stick it out here a couple years and see if we can't turn it back ... if we can't I'll be right there with y'all looking at real estate in Utah or Idaho.

And wait for the interest rates to climb so high due to failed liberal policies that buying a new place is impossible?

No thanks.

Democrats have narrowed the gap republicans once enjoyed in number of registered voters in Colorado. It's only about a 30k margin in favor of republicans at this point. That's not gonna last much longer. The change has been slow but steady over the 24 years I've lived here. It's not gonna change back.

Nope...not waiting for things to get worse here for freedom-loving people. I'd rather go live out my years in a conservative-friendly place that isn't likely to change any time soon.

[Madeinhb]

I'm thinking of Virginia almost out to West Virginia.

[Cthulhu]

Can't run forever. I'll stay and fight.

[wARmachine15]

Can't run forever. I'll stay and fight.

I started out with the 'I'm getting out of here' mindset. Now I'm leaning towards staying and fighting as well. I've never run from a fight before and not sure I feel like starting now.

[stoner01]

Im just trying to get out of Aurora and Back to larimer county. Im trying to get on with LCSO. But fuck all if Im staying in the metro area any longer.

[brobar]

It isn't THE STATE... it is pockets (Denver, Aurora, Boulder). For those of you saying you will move to Montana... we've got part of our company up there and I can tell you it is the same way (Bozeman, Missoula). I'm not running anymore. I'll stay and fight. That fight will be harder with the amount of people saying they are gonna run, but I just can't give up so easily. This is a great state and worth fighting for. You gotta stand for something... or you will fall for anything. I guess moving is the EASIER route to take. Chalk me up as always one for a challenge though. The rest of you with the fortitude to stay... I'll be right here with ya!

[mrstellar]

Pull Yourself Up By Your Bootstraps People! It's Time To Roll Up Our Sleeves! I'm Not Going To Let Any Liberals Push Me Out Of What I Feel Is The Greatest State In The Nation. I Love Colorado & I Have Been Here Longer Than Any Of These Transplant Libertards. This Oak Is Planted Strong!

We need more people and reps like Hans Hunt. http://www.kgwn.tv/story/21088461/state-representative-under-fire-for-letter

[Aloha_Shooter]

I posted this before on another issue but it's just as pertinent to people talking about moving. Moving out is giving up.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yid-CW-O9Qw

Now's the time to get mean. Plumb mad-dog mean.

[blacklabel]

Pull Yourself Up By Your Bootstraps People! It's Time To Roll Up Our Sleeves! I'm Not Going To Let Any Liberals Push Me Out Of What I Feel Is The Greatest State In The Nation. I Love Colorado & I Have Been Here Longer Than Any Of These Transplant Libertards. This Oak Is Planted Strong!

We need more people and reps like Hans Hunt. http://www.kgwn.tv/story/21088461/state-representative-under-fire-for-letter






Or we could all go live in his state and be represented by others like him.

I appreciate what Holbert and others have said on our behalf but I don't see Colorado going red anytime soon. I, like others, feel that I need to do what is best for my family. I'm looking hard at Casper as a possible area to relocate to. I still have friends there and the potential to get a good paying job very quickly due to the oil industry. Other possible areas are Montana and northern Wyoming.

I'd prefer something rural with land but at this point, will take what fits my families needs and improve our situation from there.

[ghettoblaster]

Sensible people move out of California too? What a relief! I thought it was just deadbeat liberals that couldn't hold a job any more so they decided to spread their false ideology in a more economically successful state! Or potheads looking for a "Rocky Mountain High"...

I'm glad your faith is so strong in the common sense of other Democrats to vote these guys out of office. As for me, I'm not so convinced. The problem is now rooted deep in our educational system and public media and it will take more than a few years to be rid of it.

[losttrail]

Well, it will probably take us a couple of years to be at the point where we will be set to move, so until then I will continue to fight to reclaim Colorado from the Marxists, hippies, tree-hugger, pothead Liberals.

But will be making plans for moving to the most conservative state left between WY, MT, ID, UT and AK. We'll see how the wind blows between now and then.

[Schrambo]

Skiers/snowboarders... Driggs, ID...

I was going to try to keep some roots here but will probably head home to MT...

[R&S]

not much for running myself, I plan to fight back with any legal means possible. I will put forth the effort to change things back to the good. by turning tail and running you allow this to continue and the bad stuff will spread to where you go. Maybe instead of moving a ballot initiative can be started. I'm not savvy enough to do this by myself so if anyone is willing to fight for our rights I'd like to get a plan together. Does anyone know if RMGO is planning anything?

[BigDee]

Colorado is no longer an issue of who is willing to fight harder. It now comes down to demographics and sheer numbers. You have a lot of educated single women here who are active voters (D). You have a lot of minorities who are active voters (D). You have a lot of California liberals who are active voters(D).

You are out numbered and your efforts will be in vain. Trust me on this one.. I followed my libtard family here, they all vote exactly the same way they did in California and nothing you can say or do will change their views. According to them and many others it is crucial to vote for Demoncrats because they fight for the poor and middle class while the Republicans only care about making the rich richer and keeping the poor people poor.

The harder you fight the more you will become demonized. It's just the way it is.

[Bailey Guns]

I posted this before on another issue but it's just as pertinent to people talking about moving. Moving out is giving up.

One would think this type of simple-minded, emotional nonsense wouldn't be so prevalent on this site of all places. A site where people profess to believe in liberty and the freedom to do as one chooses as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. I'm beginning to think many who post here don't have a freakin' clue what "liberty" and "freedom" mean.

People move from one place to another because they feel it's in their best interests for a variety of reasons. It would be no different to say, "You're just an idiot if you stay here."

Some of you really need to buy a clue.

Explain to me, please, what I'm giving up or how I'm giving up should I decide to relocate to another area because I believe that's what best for me and my family. FFS...this type of emotional rhetoric is no different than a liberal claiming it'll be safer if we ban 30 round magazines.

ETA: AS...this was not meant as a personal attack on you. I've just read one too many comments like yours in the various threads about moving and it hit a nerve.

[h8monday]

Colorado is no longer an issue of who is willing to fight harder. It now comes down to demographics and sheer numbers. You have a lot of educated single women here who are active voters (D). You have a lot of minorities who are active voters (D). You have a lot of California liberals who are active voters(D).

You are out numbered and your efforts will be in vain. Trust me on this one.. I followed my libtard family here, they all vote exactly the same way they did in California and nothing you can say or do will change their views. According to them and many others it is crucial to vote for Demoncrats because they fight for the poor and middle class while the Republicans only care about making the rich richer and keeping the poor people poor.

The harder you fight the more you will become demonized. It's just the way it is.

I agree 100%. We are totally overrun at this point. I will stay until the 2014 election cycle to see how it turns out but I fully expect to not see much of a change. Unless we win back the house, senate and governor, none of these bills can be repealed.

I'm thinking about Coeur d Alene or Post Falls, ID. Any opinions on ID? I can commute to an office we have in Spokane.

[Tinelement]

I'm not going anywhere.

Was looking at few acres up Wyo in the sticks. Will reproach that again this spring!!
Just something to have and maybe throw up a small cabin!

[AR15]

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

I'm not going anywhere. Especially over these reversible issues.

Liberty or death. Don't tread on me.

[DomEOD]

Weed is legal... That's proof enough the state is lost to the liberals. More and more will be coming as a result.

[10mm-man]

We need more people and reps like Hans Hunt. http://www.kgwn.tv/story/21088461/state-representative-under-fire-for-letter







What I would do to have a few (40+)like him in this state right now!

[Zundfolge]

There's a lot of good and bad thinking on both sides of this and I'll be honest, my first impulse was to say screw it, time to go.

But I have the following thoughts on Colorado:



Colorado is at a crossroads. These gun laws are either going to create a huge backlash that will wrest control of this state from the libtards and move it back to the right (in which case the first thing that needs to be done is to reverse them and prevent these things kind of laws from happening again) OR these gun laws are going to cement the hard left of the Democrat party into place and lock Colorado onto the road to California irreversibly in which case it'll be time to leave (and frankly a mass exodus of good conservative folk will increase the probability of the second one).
None of these gun laws is so draconian that I can't live with them for a couple years while the drama plays out (also there's a good chance that the worst one ... universal bg checks ... is going to happen Federally in which case you're just as stuck with that one no matter where you run).
Politics aside, Colorado is a wonderful place that I love and that makes it worth fighting for (hell, I could understand just giving up and leaving if this was Kansas or something).


I won't fault anyone for deciding to leave now, but I don't think now is the time to leave (but I'm not willing to die on this hill so like I said, if shit doesn't get straightened out in the next couple years then we're outta here).

[10mm-man]

I say; "don't let the door hit ya!" Get out now why you can........ You know who you are, quit crying already and get to packing [fagpole]!!

[Bailey Guns]

I say; "don't let the door hit ya!" Get out now why you can........ You know who you are, quit crying already and get to packing [fagpole]!!

Still the wannabe tough guy. But at least your childish bullshit is consistent and predictable.

[BigDee]

I say; "don't let the door hit ya!" Get out now why you can........ You know who you are, quit crying already and get to packing [fagpole]!!

Ironically this state has become a Mecca for flamboyant folks who would proudly raise that flag in their front yard. Denver now has one of the largest Pride festivals in the country.....

[Bailey Guns]

He does seem pretty partial to it.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

We'd hate to lose ya Carl. Hopefully I have the pleasure of meeting you before you get outta town.

[T-Jet]

Was pretty much already planning on Wisconsin for work reasons.... then this crap hit and now it's a done deal. It was nice meeting all of you folks in this beautiful state - hopefully we'll all survive the coming storm.

[10mm-man]

We'd hate to lose ya Carl. Hopefully I have the pleasure of meeting you before you get outta town.

Would like to meet you too, stop by the office sometime...... Sure your a swell guy in person!

[Gman]

I agree 100%. We are totally overrun at this point. I will stay until the 2014 election cycle to see how it turns out but I fully expect to not see much of a change. Unless we win back the house, senate and governor, none of these bills can be repealed.

I'm thinking about Coeur d Alene or Post Falls, ID. Any opinions on ID? I can commute to an office we have in Spokane.
Moving to another state that is right minded enough to put up a real fight isn't a bad idea. You know the guy next to you is fighting for the same thing, not waiting for a good opportunity to stab you in the back.

I was kicking around a similar idea of living in ID and commuting to Spokane...but I think TX is a better option work wise.

[Skully]

The strange oddities airing on strange circumstances.

Wife and I have had a lot of crap go on in the last 2 years, we have been talking about a restart of life so to speak, moving to Utah, Montana or Texas. We have absolutely no family here other than those on this board that have shown more honor than most of my family. It is strange that we have been taking about this for a year and then this shit happens. I am not moving yet, no plans until 2014 when my job as a Case Manager for Adams county will probably disappear due to changes the state might make in the way of eliminating Community Center Boards. Until then I am here....................

The fact is I love this state. My late father and I moved here 30 years ago when I was a teenager as a change of life.

I will be damned if this State gets turned over to be a copy of California, I dont want to move because of it. I feel though no matter how much grassroots voice we can raise, our voice is silenced under this Democratic Party Agenda BS. I feel hopeless as I know many of you people do to.

I will do everything I can to help vote and win back this state, but at what point do you give up and run or upscale the fight? (metaphorically speaking)

I will hold out, almost makes me wonder how organized do we have to get? How much of a presence has to be made, enough people to literally stop traffic around the capital to say NO? Resistance is NOT futile.

[tmleadr03]

I can't leave, I just signed a five year lease for my shop.

[BPTactical]

I felt my native state do a death roll today.
I have lived here all of my life but I no longer feel at home.



I have looked at WY and Texas (Amarilloish)
Real estate dollars go a good bit further in TX and the environment is better for my business.
The only modest acerage (2-6) places I found in WY were either too far out or too pricey.

As far as sticking it out and fighting out until 14 I am all for it, but what are we going to lose until then?
My money says they go for a AWB or similar next. They feel empowered.

[mountainjenny]

I'm staying. This is my home state, lived here for my whole life (31 years) and my business is based here.

That being said... I am looking to acquire SHTF properties in other states.

[battle_sight_zero]

[QUOTE=Bailey Guns;951323]One would think this type of simple-minded, emotional nonsense wouldn't be so prevalent on this site of all places. A site where people profess to believe in liberty and the freedom to do as one chooses as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. I'm beginning to think many who post here don't have a freakin' clue what "liberty" and "freedom" mean.

People move from one place to another because they feel it's in their best interests for a variety of reasons. It would be no different to say, "You're just an idiot if you stay here."

Some of you really need to buy a clue.

Explain to me, please, what I'm giving up or how I'm giving up should I decide to relocate to another area because I believe that's what best for me and my family. FFS...this type of emotional rhetoric is no different than a liberal claiming it'll be safer if we ban 30 round magazines.

ETA: AS...this was not meant as a personal attack on you. I've just read one too many comments like yours in the various threads about moving and it hit a nerve.[/QUOTE

This 5th generation Colorado native would also move if I could. 2019 is my retirement year (30 years). I have to fight it out between now and then. However life is to short to sit around and beat your head against a wall all day. I may be retireing in 6 but my children will be 12 and 9. I don't want them to be indoctrinated into a liberal Californian type of lifestyle. I want to be able to pass on my Gun collection like my father does at his leisure to me over time. Most likely in 4 months dad and I will have to visit an FFL every time we give each other our traditional gifts. Thats bull shit that we have to have the Government involved in such an intimate moment. When I die if things don't change my family will spend quite a bit of money to just handle my lifetime of accumulateing of arms. Bullshit again, if i move it will because I don't want my family impeded by an over bearing Government. The fact that our legislators are doing what they are doing is Tyranny. As Ms.Fields stated this just the start. I am envious for Bailey and knowing the work he did in the past he deserves to enjoy his freedom anyway he can.

[KestrelBike]

Explain to me, please, what I'm giving up or how I'm giving up should I decide to relocate to another area because I believe that's what best for me and my family. FFS...this type of emotional rhetoric is no different than a liberal claiming it'll be safer if we ban 30 round magazines.

I moved here from CA last spring because public school signs were all in Spanish, to have guns in a self-defense configuration was a felony, and the taxes were steadily approaching the federal rate with nothing to show for it.

Now I see CO with tons of priuses w CA plates, a democrat controlled house/senate/governor, gun control laws successfully being legislated, and an increasingly liberal mindset everywhere you look.

I wonder where the scourge will go next? With Oregon and Washington a stone's throw away, can you not imagine Idaho being next? There are some big businesses putting up shop there, rumors of Tech giants putting plants there, so when they move their Silicon Valley and San Francisco employees over there, what then? Give it 10 more years and it'll be colorado as it is now. We are going to run out of states.

Don't get me wrong, I 100% don't blame you for wanting to move, because I myself did it less than a year ago. But at some point, our (well yours, I don't have any) children are going to be left with the bill. Sadly I think this is inevitable no matter how much any of us could dedicate to canvassing neighborhoods spreading a conservative message. People's education is far too lacking for them to embrace reason and logic instead of emotion and free handouts.

[buckshotbarlow]

I can't leave, I just signed a five year lease for my shop.

i was gonna ask you about that...don't worry, honky will always need some love in WY...

[BigDee]

I moved here from CA last spring because public school signs were all in Spanish, to have guns in a self-defense configuration was a felony, and the taxes were steadily approaching the federal rate with nothing to show for it.

Now I see CO with tons of priuses w CA plates, a democrat controlled house/senate/governor, gun control laws successfully being legislated, and an increasingly liberal mindset everywhere you look.

I wonder where the scourge will go next? With Oregon and Washington a stone's throw away, can you not imagine Idaho being next? There are some big businesses putting up shop there, rumors of Tech giants putting plants there, so when they move their Silicon Valley and San Francisco employees over there, what then? Give it 10 more years and it'll be colorado as it is now. We are going to run out of states.

Don't get me wrong, I 100% don't blame you for wanting to move, because I myself did it less than a year ago. But at some point, our (well yours, I don't have any) children are going to be left with the bill. Sadly I think this is inevitable no matter how much any of us could dedicate to canvassing neighborhoods spreading a conservative message. People's education is far too lacking for them to embrace reason and logic instead of emotion and free handouts.

ID won't happen because of BYU. There are lot of tech companies moving into ID but they are recruiting primarily out of BYU.

[TS12000]

I left thinking I was taking a hiatus and seeing something different but that I would be back one day. My reasons were much more personal than anything and I figured I would always be back. I want to be able to come home. I want it to be what it has always been to me, but today I for the first time got a true feeling that I may never return. It hurts.

[KestrelBike]

ID won't happen because of BYU. There are lot of tech companies moving into ID but they are recruiting primarily out of BYU.

Never thought I'd be thinking Mormons to the rescue.

[jackthewall81]

I left thinking I was taking a hiatus and seeing something different but that I would be back one day. My reasons were much more personal than anything and I figured I would always be back. I want to be able to come home. I want it to be what it has always been to me, but today I for the first time got a true feeling that I may never return. It hurts.
I'm sorry man.

SC ain't that bad though.

[Madeinhb]

I moved here from CA last spring because public school signs were all in Spanish, to have guns in a self-defense configuration was a felony, and the taxes were steadily approaching the federal rate with nothing to show for it.

Now I see CO with tons of priuses w CA plates, a democrat controlled house/senate/governor, gun control laws successfully being legislated, and an increasingly liberal mindset everywhere you look.

I wonder where the scourge will go next? With Oregon and Washington a stone's throw away, can you not imagine Idaho being next? There are some big businesses putting up shop there, rumors of Tech giants putting plants there, so when they move their Silicon Valley and San Francisco employees over there, what then? Give it 10 more years and it'll be colorado as it is now. We are going to run out of states.

Don't get me wrong, I 100% don't blame you for wanting to move, because I myself did it less than a year ago. But at some point, our (well yours, I don't have any) children are going to be left with the bill. Sadly I think this is inevitable no matter how much any of us could dedicate to canvassing neighborhoods spreading a conservative message. People's education is far too lacking for them to embrace reason and logic instead of emotion and free handouts.

I moved from California in 2009 and have slowly watched Colorado make laws like Cal.

[TS12000]

I'm sorry man.

SC ain't that bad though.

Oh no, its gravy and I'm in a really good place now but home is home.

[Madusa]

Californian's don't like the cold, the SOB's that are F----n every thing up are east coast politicians.

[avandelay]

I'm sorry to say, but you guys just don't get it........this didn't just happen last election, it's been happening for 25 years. If they pass these "antigun" bills it will just be the start, not the end.......you'll never get them overturned, ever! If I was you & I am, I'd start lobbying Wyoming to build a fence with guard towers & machine guns, because your fighting a battle that can't nor won't be won.

I'm not willing to accept that. We have several good representatives out there that get it. We need more so that they have a voice. The midterms give us that chance. Imagine the black eye on the Dem machine if the state they bought and paid for goes red again.

[ghettoblaster]

Never thought I'd be thinking Mormons to the rescue.

You apparently don't know too many Mormons. It's a fundamental part of their religion to fight for the preservation of the constitution and all it stands for. Utah and Idaho have the thickest concentration of conservatives and Republicans of pretty much any state, and currently the loosest laws regarding gun ownership. Having lived in both, I'd probably go for Idaho. Salt Lake City is becoming a sanctuary city for illegals and you know what happens next....

[MarkCO]

When I voted at 18, Colorado was a solidly republican state with R politicians garnering 60%+ of the vote and some states in the 80% range. CA was about 60% for the Democrats.

Fast forward to 2012. Texas was only 57% for the Rs, and based ont he trned and population growth in Houston, DFW and Austin, they will go purple in about 10 years or so. There were like 5 states voted conservative above 60% and only one above 70% (and that was the Mormon vote). Moving is not the answer, it will just catch up to you eventually.

[Bailey Guns]

Yeah, I keep hearing moving isn't the answer. I beg to differ. I can move to Idaho and reap the following immediate benefits:

Enjoy living in an overwhelmingly conservative state that isn't likely to change significantly in my lifetime
Lower my cost of living across the board
Raise my standard of living (ie: I can buy more house and more land for far less money than I'm paying here)
Enjoy the same outdoor lifestyle/scenery benefits offered by Colorado
Enjoy an overall lower rate of taxes than Colorado
Live in a state that is only slightly smaller but far less populated
NOT have to endure the anti-gun issues currently affecting Colorado (and likely won't during my lifetime)
Enjoy a slightly more moderate climate than that offered here
I'll feel better about the place where I live knowing more people than not share my traditional American values


So tell me, because I'm having a really hard time understanding, why the above items wouldn't be a plus to moving? Why should I feel a sense of overwhelming loyalty to Colorado and the idiots that run the place? I wasn't born here and my only family ties are my son and DIL. Since he's in the military it's not likely he's going to be here forever so one of us will be leaving eventually either way.

I keep hearing that moving isn't the answer. What is the answer besides "stay and fight"? That's just a platitude. I'm interested in substance.

[MarkCO]

Yeah, I keep hearing moving isn't the answer. I beg to differ. I can move to Idaho and reap the following immediate benefits:

Enjoy living in an overwhelmingly conservative state that isn't likely to change significantly in my lifetime
Lower my cost of living across the board
Raise my standard of living (ie: I can buy more house and more land for far less money than I'm paying here)
Enjoy the same outdoor lifestyle/scenery benefits offered by Colorado
Enjoy an overall lower rate of taxes than Colorado
Live in a state that is only slightly smaller but far less populated
NOT have to endure the anti-gun issues currently affecting Colorado (and likely won't during my lifetime)
Enjoy a slightly more moderate climate than that offered here
I'll feel better about the place where I live knowing more people than not share my traditional American values


So tell me, because I'm having a really hard time understanding, why the above items wouldn't be a plus to moving? Why should I feel a sense of overwhelming loyalty to Colorado and the idiots that run the place? I wasn't born here and my only family ties are my son and DIL. Since he's in the military it's not likely he's going to be here forever so one of us will be leaving eventually either way.

I keep hearing that moving isn't the answer. What is the answer besides "stay and fight"? That's just a platitude. I'm interested in substance.

Then move. No one is forcing you to stay. Maybe I am stubborn, but taking my ball and going somewhere else never worked for me. Right is right no matter where you are and if you let fear chase you out of CO, it will chase you forever.

[Bailey Guns]

FFS...It's not a matter of taking my ball and going home. I gave several concrete reasons why moving might be the answer for some, myself included. If you're going to make the assertion "moving isn't the answer", then provide a little substance to back it up. You either can or you can't. What works for you might not work for me.

Why is that so hard for some of you to understand? Why do some of you get so pissy and childish about the fact someone sees an opportunity for a better quality of life in another place?

The move is in the works. But something like that doesn't happen overnight. It's just a matter of tying up the loose ends here, including selling the house, which could take some time.

[Ronin13]

Then move. No one is forcing you to stay. Maybe I am stubborn, but taking my ball and going somewhere else never worked for me. Right is right no matter where you are and if you let fear chase you out of CO, it will chase you forever.
I can safely say that Bailey ain't afraid of very much... I don't think "fear" is the right word...

[Bailey Guns]

Projection seems to be a common theme among some members here.

[MarkCO]

Running from a righteous battle is fear no matter how you choose to slice the pie. But he has credibility on account with me, so maybe he is having a bad day.

You think I am spending 20 hours plus a week for the last month in meetings, phone calls, all for no personal profit or benefit other that it is the right thing to do? Our soliders who went into harms way did it for the right reasons, and some died, but very few left the battle when it got tough. That is the example to follow, not running away.

[Bailey Guns]

I'm not having a bad day. If you're going to use the (poor) analogy of soldiers on a battlefield then I'd suggest those who fought, and continue to fight, on the real battlefield did so in order that other Americans might have the freedom and liberty to choose the best direction in which to live their lives. When I took the oath it was to protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies. That included defending a person's right to make the decisions that were right for them regardless of whether or not I believed in, or agreed with, that decision, as long as it was within the laws of the land.

Frankly, I think equating what you and I face here in Colorado in terms of enduring proposed anti-gun legislation to soldiers fighting and dying on a true battlefield demeans the sacrifices those soldiers make on our behalf. But that's just me.

I'm not saying fighting the current "battles" in our state aren't important. It's just that they're not in the same league as the real life and death battles going on elsewhere.

[DeusExMachina]

Don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you, I believe that's how it goes.

What's your point, Bailey? Trying to get people to support you and say "Golly Idaho sure sounds great, lets start a wagon trail!" to make you feel better about it?

If you want to give up and move, go.

[MarkCO]

That included defending a person's right to make the decisions that were right for them regardless of whether or not I believed in, or agreed with, that decision, as long as it was within the laws of the land.

And I support that 100%. Fighting fights now that might seem trivial to you do in fact keep people alive in the future. That is the whole reason we are fighting, to maintain the right to defend our lives as we see fit. Those that do not, lose them and we have ample evidence all over the world of people who have died because others gave up or failed to see the merit in the "smaller" fight at hand.

Enjoy your trip while we stay behind and fight to slow the tide washing over this land.

[Bailey Guns]

Don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you, I believe that's how it goes.

What's your point, Bailey? Trying to get people to support you and say "Golly Idaho sure sounds great, lets start a wagon trail!" to make you feel better about it?

If you want to give up and move, go.

Yeah, DEM. I always come onto a public internet forum and ask for advice and approval from strangers on major life decisions I'm facing. (That's sarcasm for you low-information types)

If you can't understand the point after all that's been posted then trying to explain it to you again isn't going to do any good. I know it's tough for some of you but you'll just have to try to keep up. That's all I can offer you because I can't understand it for you.

[Bailey Guns]

And I support that 100%. Fighting fights now that might seem trivial to you do in fact keep people alive in the future. That is the whole reason we are fighting, to maintain the right to defend our lives as we see fit. Those that do not, lose them and we have ample evidence all over the world of people who have died because others gave up or failed to see the merit in the "smaller" fight at hand.

Enjoy your trip while we stay behind and fight to slow the tide washing over this land.

Wow...quite the drama queen.

[MarkCO]

And your true colors displayed. Bye.

[DeusExMachina]

Yeah, DEM. I always come onto a public internet forum and ask for advice and approval from strangers on major life decisions I'm facing. (That's sarcasm for you low-information types)

If you can't understand the point after all that's been posted then trying to explain it to you again isn't going to do any good. I know it's tough for some of you but you'll just have to try to keep up. That's all I can offer you because I can't understand it for you.

That's what it sounds like. You're saying Idaho is "just like Colorado" in a number of your points. You don't want to stay and fight, so why continue carrying on? You've already made up your mind.

[losttrail]

Strategic withdrawal. Sometimes when a battle is not going your way, you need to withdraw, gather forces and develop a new battle plan. Custer could have used this but chose not to and see where that got him and his men.

With the trend towards socialism we have seen in the 13 years we've been in Colorado, with the current makeup of the state legislature and governor, looking at Denver and other cities being/becoming sanctuary cities and the legislature wanting to make all of Colorado a sanctuary state, I think the odds of things getting better before they get worse are..... slim to none. I believe that Colorado gun laws will become closer to NYC, Chicago, D.C., before ever having a hope of reversing and by then the chances will be zero to none.

I'm personally tired of a state government that continually hands out massive amounts of our tax dollars to illegals, embraces lifestyle choices that adversely affect everyone, embraces liberal indoctrination rather than critical thinking in education. I won't be at all surprised to see schools handing out condoms to elementary students, issuing syringes to middle school students and telling parents they have no business (other than financial responsibility) in the personal lives of their children at all. Not to mention the taxation and high cost of living.

Colorado is on the fast track to becoming Kalifornia East and I don't see the trend slowing much less reversing.

I will fight the good fight as long as I'm here, but I think the gun grabber Liberals in Denver are just getting started and I do not want to be here when they authorize the jack-booted thugs to break down my door, steal my property and then imprison me.

[DeusExMachina]

Now who's being dramatic.

[R2Chief2]

Had to bump this...people talking about leaving if the Governor signs the bills.

WE CAN'T VOTE HIM OUT IF EVERYONE LEAVES.

[colo-pr]

Im from te Caribbean and when decide to move to a nice place I had 48 states to choose, too many with the same weather as I saw in my entire life but I choose CO because I like here, I love here, I'm in love with the nature here, with the people here, the kind of people of CO are gorgeous and now after stablished here, bought a house and my only baby born here months ago I feel like a native (except for my bad English) and I DON'T WANT TO GO TO ANOTHER PLACE, I have my conscience relax because in the last elections I vote for every single republican candidate and I hope many people now are repentant about their wrong decisions.

I hope that this bills death in the senate and CO will be again the free state that I found a year ago, if this don't happens I hope the people here take better decisions and don't forget in 4 years.

[battle_sight_zero]

Had to bump this...people talking about leaving if the Governor signs the bills.

WE CAN'T VOTE HIM OUT IF EVERYONE LEAVES.


Being a 5th generation Colorado Native I decided to stick it out until 2014. I am hopeful that we will send a clear message in that election cycle by voting these gun grabbers and pot heads out of office. I may be dreaming but for the sake of my children I hope something will happen. I am a little hopeful, I work in a field where demoncrats outnumber conservatives. Many of these demoncrats praised their party hell or high water, but the fact is many of them own firearms. Most are dumbfounded by what is going on. I witness many of them huddleing up and discussing this issue just like we are. This makes me just a tad hopeful but if things don't Chanel I have to make a move for a more wholesome state and community. On a sad note many people I know who have written our legislative reps are halting sending letters because they feel the reps are not listening. It's obvious our Demoncrats are following lockstep with Obama on this one. I find it very telling that Hickenlooper was just in Washington earlier this week meeting with Obama. Before that meeting Hickenlooper appeared to be on the fence. The fact is Obama wants our state to be the golden example of what he wants to happen. Don't be surprised to see Hickenlooper make a run in 2016 for president and or be put on the Hiliary ticket. Either wy right now the demoncrats are out to crush and divide us.

[TS12000]

If the 2016 dem ticket is Clinton/looper my head might explode

[R2Chief2]

Being a 5th generation Colorado Native I decided to stick it out until 2014. I am hopeful that we will send a clear message in that election cycle by voting these gun grabbers and pot heads out of office. I may be dreaming but for the sake of my children I hope something will happen. I am a little hopeful, I work in a field where demoncrats outnumber conservatives. Many of these demoncrats praised their party hell or high water, but the fact is many of them own firearms. Most are dumbfounded by what is going on. I witness many of them huddleing up and discussing this issue just like we are. This makes me just a tad hopeful but if things don't Chanel I have to make a move for a more wholesome state and community. On a sad note many people I know who have written our legislative reps are halting sending letters because they feel the reps are not listening. It's obvious our Demoncrats are following lockstep with Obama on this one. I find it very telling that Hickenlooper was just in Washington earlier this week meeting with Obama. Before that meeting Hickenlooper appeared to be on the fence. The fact is Obama wants our state to be the golden example of what he wants to happen. Don't be surprised to see Hickenlooper make a run in 2016 for president and or be put on the Hiliary ticket. Either wy right now the demoncrats are out to crush and divide us.


That's why we have to stay and fight! We can't let the state be run over. We can't keep running.

[Kraven251]

...and maybe try to keep it civil

[Epyon]

I moved here for a reason, no time to give up. Just gotta regroup at home and then push forward whether its recalls or vote out in the next election cycles.

[El Mac]

With pleasure will I stay to vote in the mid-terms and even in '16. I WILL fire my one free and legal round at these sons of bitches.

[Gman]

We're looking to head to Texas, but we've decided to stick it out for another election cycle first.

[colo-pr]

People, put the foots on the ground! Of course after all of this days of this idiots politicians anyone have the feeling of go away (include me) but don't take the frustrations and angry to another level. As I said I had 48 states to choose when decide to move to the mainland and you cannot find a state like Colorado, people say Texas, ahhh, what a ugly state!!!, BIG immigration issues, extremely temperatures changes (today are at 90 degrees and tomorrow at 14 degrees) no vegetation and no nature like here! Other states better than here? IMPOSIBLE. I prefer fight to continue living in the best place than run to a crappy state.

Most important is DON'T FORGET IN 4 YEARS!, I say it to all emails that I sent today, I start creating a list of senators and legislators than want to control my rights and this ass holes will be out in the next elections, no matter what philosophy of politic they have.

Stand and fight!!!

[El Mac]

The way I see it, Texas isn't going anywhere. Neither is Wyoming, Utah or Idaho for that matter. If we don't produce fruit in the next election cycle, then we can move without ever wondering if we could have done better.

Until then, we stand and fight.

[stevelkinevil]

We're looking to head to Texas, but we've decided to stick it out for another election cycle first.

Thats where I have decided I am at. At some point stability must be sacrificed for principals. My sons will be raised free as is possible.

[Eggysrun]

I'm waiting on the 2014 elections. If we can't fix things ballot wise I'll probally be packing my bags and go else where. I love Colorado, I spent most of my time in active duty army at Fort Carson, but with the political situation and democrats openly stating "veterans can't be trusted" I don't feel welcomed in this state I now call home.

To me the 2014 state election will really be the straw on the back, I didn't go fight overseas to defend this country to watch our rights be taken away by people who last night couldn't even go up to the podium to debate and defend their bill.

I will at least give voters the chance to get rid of these representatives that vote for party lines instead of their citizens interests before I leave.

[silentshooter]

I really do hope things change for the better in colorado in 2014. While I will be moving back to floroda shortly to work out of our new miami office we are a denver based company and I do look forward to coming back to co

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