View Full Version : Washington state proposal to inspect homes of assault weapon owners
Rooskibar03
02-17-2013, 18:24
Do not turn this into a cop bashing thread (we know how that ends) but assuming a LEO shows up at your door and demands to inspect how you secure your weapons and you refuse, now what?
Assuming no warrant and you don't allow them in can they arrest for non compliance? If they force their way in can you defend your home?
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/02/washington-state-proposed-gun-law-calls-on-sheriff-to-inspect-homes-of-assault-weapon-owners/
That would depend on how it is written but I foresee major issues regarding the 4th amendment should that pass.
And it really doesnt matter if you are in the right or not, if you depend against a forced entry by police you are leaving in a bag.
Great-Kazoo
02-17-2013, 18:47
That would depend on how it is written but I foresee major issues regarding the 4th amendment should that pass.
And it really doesnt matter if you are in the right or not, if you depend against a forced entry by police you are leaving in a bag.
If i'n depending against forced entry chances are, i'm already in the bag;)
USAFGopherMike
02-17-2013, 21:32
Where's my man C. Heston.
How would they know you have guns to inspect?
Two things...
A) I don't think any cop with a lick of brains would try to enforce that unconstitutional BS.
B) I'd force them to arrest me and then sue the state, the politicians, and anyone else connected to the incident into oblivion.
B might help pay off the debt I have from buying "assault clips" and "automatic high capacity rifles". Oh geez! I just looked at one and [pileoshit] myself a little. BRB...
BPTactical
02-17-2013, 22:02
And it really doesnt matter if you are in the right or not, if you depend against a forced entry by police you are leaving in a bag.
If I have to DEPEND against a forced entry, I'm pissing myself...........
If I have to DEPEND against a forced entry, I'm pissing myself...........
well that probably would be part of the package.
streetglideok
02-17-2013, 22:40
Hypothetically speaking, if treasonous cops were there to want to perform an illegal search, you can either roll over and let them do as they wish, or let them lay siege to your house via a standoff. They will cut the power and phone lines, and turn off your cell phone service, and ban the media from being there. A well prepared patriot would have auxilary communications and power(batteries), and issue a call for help that would summon fellow patriots to arms. This would end with the treasonous cops being surrounded, and, whatever happens, happens. Hypothetically speaking of course. Flame away.
Hypothetically speaking, if treasonous cops were there to want to perform an illegal search, you can either roll over and let them do as they wish, or let them lay siege to your house via a standoff. They will cut the power and phone lines, and turn off your cell phone service, and ban the media from being there. A well prepared patriot would have auxilary communications and power(batteries), and issue a call for help that would summon fellow patriots to arms. This would end with the treasonous cops being surrounded, and, whatever happens, happens. Hypothetically speaking of course. Flame away.
+1
If a policeman is forcing his way into your home, absent a warrant or obvious emergency, that is not a good situation for either party to be in. If the policeman is shot . . . even if he is not in a uniform and fails to identify himself . . . that homeowner can expect the worst from the media and the courts. There was a case in Chesapeake Virginia about 5 years back where a plainclothed officer tried kicking in a innocent man's door after dark based on a CI tip that he was growing marijuana, and was shot a single time through the door . . . they branded him a "cop killer" and he is in prison for the duration now, with no chance of an appeal.
Jesus-With-A-.45
02-18-2013, 14:27
+1
+2
I'm sorry to say, but at that point they aren't LEO's, they are stormtroopers. I still believe & I will continue until proven wrong that any LEO currently on the force is, in his heart on the side of freedom & liberty, basically on our side.
Dlesh123
02-18-2013, 17:51
If a policeman is forcing his way into your home, absent a warrant or obvious emergency, that is not a good situation for either party to be in. If the policeman is shot . . . even if he is not in a uniform and fails to identify himself . . . that homeowner can expect the worst from the media and the courts. There was a case in Chesapeake Virginia about 5 years back where a plainclothed officer tried kicking in a innocent man's door after dark based on a CI tip that he was growing marijuana, and was shot a single time through the door . . . they branded him a "cop killer" and he is in prison for the duration now, with no chance of an appeal.
I believe it was just a few weeks ago that the Colorado State patrol paid out over a million dollars to a family where the owner of the property refused to let the Patrolmen in without a warrant. When he refused he was shot and killed. They were investigating a traffic accident.
SA Friday
02-18-2013, 18:47
You guys read it before believing the news article, right?
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2013-14/Pdf/Bills/Senate%20Bills/5737.pdf
I've read a lot of laws. Unless I missed something, this bill doesn't say residential storage must be physically viewed by the sheriff, much less annually. It states an assault weapon not stored safely and securely is committing a misdemeanor.
What they should be pissed about is it has a 10 round mag limit clause in it and there is NO grandfather clause for mags and no time limit or measures to relinquish them. Basically, legal one day, illegal the next. Instant criminals.
NGCSUGrad09
02-18-2013, 23:53
Warrentless entry seems like a pretty serious 4th amendment problem to me...
If a policeman is forcing his way into your home, absent a warrant or obvious emergency, that is not a good situation for either party to be in. If the policeman is shot . . . even if he is not in a uniform and fails to identify himself . . . that homeowner can expect the worst from the media and the courts. There was a case in Chesapeake Virginia about 5 years back where a plainclothed officer tried kicking in a innocent man's door after dark based on a CI tip that he was growing marijuana, and was shot a single time through the door . . . they branded him a "cop killer" and he is in prison for the duration now, with no chance of an appeal.
Yeah, once they get the 2nd Amendment out of the way, all the other ones are fair game even though they have been working on restricting them for years.
They could lay seige to your house... however in light of recent events, why even bother with the 5th and 6th amendments? The Cops will just set your house on fire, and make sure you don't escape from the flames. They are quickly being afforded powers that are inappropriate for the executive branch of government and only reserved for the Judicial branch.
DavieD55
02-19-2013, 08:50
Yeah, once they get the 2nd Amendment out of the way, all the other ones are fair game even though they have been working on restricting them for years.
They could lay seige to your house... however in light of recent events, why even bother with the 5th and 6th amendments? The Cops will just set your house on fire, and make sure you don't escape from the flames. They are quickly being afforded powers that are inappropriate for the executive branch of government and only reserved for the Judicial branch.
Unfortunately this is the direction parts of the US are trending towards.
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