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battle_sight_zero
02-19-2013, 07:22
http://www.9news.com/news/article/317904/339/Mom-turns-in-son-for-stockpiling-weapons



Sure it will be used for the agenda. Sounds like this young man needed the intervention. I wish the focus would be on mental illness.


HIGHLANDS RANCH - A man suffering with severe mental illness stockpiled homemade weapons as he threatened to kill people, 9Wants to Know has learned.
A search warrant obtained by 9Wants to Know shows investigators found boxes of ammunition, hand guns, sniper suits, gun building parts, tactical clothing, rifles and a "welded AK-47 long gun" in Richard Lancaster's room.
Lancaster may have ordered some of the ammunition and gun parts from websites while living in his mother's basement, according to the records.
The court documents charging Lancaster, 26, paint a story of a mother who struggled to get her son long-term treatment before she became a victim herself and eventually turned to police for help.
"This is one of those cases where you see all the risk signs, and it becomes obvious if somebody doesn't do something, something terrible is going to happen," said Dr. Max Wachtel, a Denver criminal forensic psychologist.
Dr. Wachtel, who evaluates people who suffer with mental illness, reviewed the court documents for analysis on 9NEWS.
"This was a time-bomb waiting to go off," he said.
Dr. Wacthel said the Lancaster case is an extremely rare incident where someone diagnosed with schizophrenia turns violent.
Lancaster is facing three felony charges, including menacing and two counts of attempting to possess a dangerous weapon. The charging documents refer to a "machine gun."
Court records accuse Lancaster of making a homemade spear and pointing it at his mother's chest. Lancaster also threatened to "kill people if they tried to take him to the mental hospital again," according to statements made by Lancaster's twin brother.
"This is the kind of case you end up reading about in the national news," Dr. Wachtel said. "He could have killed his mom or brother, and he could have had the delusion other people were out to get him. He could have driven to a mall or school."
Mother's Struggle to Get Help
The search warrant and probable cause statement document the mother's repeated struggle to get Lancaster long-term mental health care at various mental health facilities in Colorado. But because he is an adult, Lancaster's mother was powerless to keep him in treatment and could not get access to his medical records, the documents indicate.
"He was admitted to several other hospitals," the documents say. "But each time he was released. He would fall into a behavioral pattern of non-compliance."
The records show Lancaster also spent time at the state's hospital in Pueblo.
"This guy doesn't sound like a criminal. He sounds like he's a person really struggling with mental illness," Wachtel said.
"Over the last few years, Richard has been ordering packages over the internet but [his mother] was not allowed to see what was in them," the documents say. Lancaster didn't allow his mother to enter the basement, according to the records, and often made threats against her while calling her derogatory names.
After repeated efforts to get her son long-term treatment, the documents indicate Lancaster's mother turned to detectives with the Douglas County Sheriff's Department for help.
He was arrested in August and is currently in the Douglas County Detention Center under a $500,000 bond.
"Many times that's the only way to get the attention someone needs is to run them through the police," said Scott Glaser, the executive director for the National Alliance on Mental Illness in Colorado. "The system is sometimes full. The system doesn't have room. Sometimes they will try to treat them but release them before they received adequate or effective care."
Glaser wanted to stress with 9NEWS that such cases like Lancaster's are extraordinarily rare.
Mental Illness and Weapons
It is unknown if Lancaster was able to legally buy guns or if any past psychiatric holds would have prevented him from buying a firearm.
Dr. Wacthel said there have been cases where psychiatric history is not passed on to the FBI for gun background checks.
According to Lancaster's twin brother's statements to detectives, Lancaster "has tried to acquire weapons through both legal and illegal means" and that he has "bought decommissioned firearms from online retailers and also ammunition."
A background check of his court record and criminal history in Colorado does not reveal any prior felony convictions that would have prevented Lancaster from legally owning a gun.
Lancaster's mother declined an interview with 9Wants to Know while saying she doesn't want to hurt her son's case so he can get the best treatment possible.
Another Mother's Story
While Lancaster's mother declined to comment for this story, another mother who is facing a similar situation agreed to talk with 9Wants to Know about the trials with her son.
"You know I hear these stories of these shootings, these mass attacks; it's unreal
that I would relate with the parent of a shooter," Paula Petty said.
Petty is the mother of a 19-year-old son who is suffering with several mental health conditions, including bipolar disorder. She said he gets angry and violent and will sometimes self-medicate with marijuana because of a lack of treatment and care.
In December, she called police on her son believing he was high on a stimulant. He was taken to the hospital where it was later determined he was suffering with a mental breakdown and didn't have any other drugs in his system, according to Petty.
The hospital released him, according to Petty, without notifying her.
"They took him to the hospital and kicked him right out the next morning. He had no clothes, no shoes, nothing," she said.
The hospital, because of patient privacy laws, wouldn't disclose her son's treatment and why he was released.
Petty said it's difficult to get care and treatment for her son because he is an adult. Applying for Medicaid and disability has been difficult and getting coverage has been a challenge, she said.
"But now that he's an adult, and if he refuses to do something, there's a not a lot I can do about it," Petty said.
Help for Those Suffering
Among various mental health professionals that have sat down with 9Wants to Know, a common agreement is an over-burdened mental health system that doesn't have enough psychiatric beds.
Governor John Hickenlooper is proposing this legislative session to boost resources to the mental health system and to change how people are treated after they are released from psychiatric holds.
You can read Governor Hickenlooper's proposals here, that include funding for five, 24/7 walk-in crisis centers for urgent mental health care needs and a redefinition of the civil commitment law.
Resources
There are many groups and non-profits who are aiming to help families dealing with mental health issues.
Here are just a few of the groups that may help if you are looking for services:

Byte Stryke
02-19-2013, 07:28
from reading that, I think he needs to be properly evaluated for mental health and under legal due process a decision made to his constitutional rights.
It is obvious the threats made, if proven, are concerning. Equally concerning is his history with mental facilities.
I have no problem with due process removing the right to bear arms in cases where the person might not have the proper mental capacity... as long as he gets properly his day(s) in court.

n8tive97
02-19-2013, 08:09
This seams to be an on going trend. A mother/father trying to get help for their child but can't. There is something you need to fix. Again this has nothing to do with the guns. This could have been stock piles of porn and he threatened to rape people if they put him in the hositol!

jgang
02-19-2013, 08:25
This seams to be an on going trend. A mother/father trying to get help for their child but can't.

I thought Obamacare supposed to fix this? (sarcasm)

sniper7
02-19-2013, 08:48
Hopefully he gets the help he needs. Sounds like he needs it.

dwalker460
02-19-2013, 09:16
The best type of propaganda there is, the kind you sympathize with. Wont be much longer until stories of neighbors "doing the right thing" and reporting on the guys next door for having high cap assault clips and automatic weapons. Just a few issues with the story-

Mom reported her son because he had weapons rather than that he was increasingly unstable and abusive? riiiiiiggghhhht.
9News got a search warrant? Really?
Since when do fuckstick news agencies get granted search warrants? If thats happening then we are in much deeper poo than anyone ever imagined
Last thing is I have to ask myself- "Self, Why, exactly, is this news? Of what importance is it that some guy, who may or may not be mentally unstable, happened to have some ammunition and was possibly bending up an AK flat? WHo the fuck cares? I probably have more loaded ammo than this clown, so why publish this nonsense?"

Self responds wisely, "Well yasseee here, what the "press" is doing is following to a script designed to make the "average" citizen feel good about the invasion of privacy of others. With this little article and others like it, the seed is planted that it is wrong to stockpile weapons and ammo, but its perfectly OK to report on someone who has such things, because if you have a secret stockpile of ammo or weapons then you are probably not mentally well and its for your own good and the good of your family and friends that you are relieved of these items and placed in protective care. The Socialists have learned thier lessons, Ya start small, slowly erode common sense with slanted information, never once mentioning the 4th Amendment, just scream about the 1st if your called on it. Yep, they are playing the game"
To which I can only reply, "Well Self, you sure are a smart fella, have to buy you a cup of coffee later."

the 1st Amendment does not exist without the 2nd and the 4th, something that is often forgotten in the name of "public safety".

cstone
02-19-2013, 09:25
What would YOU do?

You are living with a diagnosed, mentally unstable adult relative. This relative has threatened you on more than one occasion with death or severe bodily injury. You have sought mental health treatment for this relative and there is no long term solution. You keep coming back to the same stand off in your house. This relative is knowingly violating both state and federal law and there is always the possibility you could one day be charged as an accessory or an accomplice to your relative's criminal behavior. You love your relative, but despite arming yourself, you are unable to sleep soundly in your own house.

What do YOU do?

dwalker460
02-19-2013, 09:42
Lets take this passage here:


Court records accuse Lancaster of making a homemade spear and pointing it at his mother's chest. Lancaster also threatened to "kill people if they tried to take him to the mental hospital again," according to statements made by Lancaster's twin brother.
"This is the kind of case you end up reading about in the national news," Dr. Wachtel said. "He could have killed his mom or brother, and he could have had the delusion other people were out to get him. He could have driven to a mall or school."

He pointed a weapon and threatened his Mom, so where are the assault charges? Why at that point was he not taken into custody and removed from the household?

Ok, MAYBE the Mom felt she could control him, but how does this work?


"He was admitted to several other hospitals," the documents say. "But each time he was released. He would fall into a behavioral pattern of non-compliance."
The records show Lancaster also spent time at the state's hospital in Pueblo.

Ok so what we are to understand is that the doctors in those facilities did not find this young man to be a threat to himself or others and released him, OR they KNEW he was a threat and ignored it. Where is the 5 paragraphs illustrating this point? Eh?

But wait, THERES MORE!


"Many times that's the only way to get the attention someone needs is to run them through the police," said Scott Glaser, the executive director for the National Alliance on Mental Illness in Colorado. "The system is sometimes full. The system doesn't have room. Sometimes they will try to treat them but release them before they received adequate or effective care."

So INSTEAD of him being charged with assault or menacing for threatening his Mom with a spear, he is charged with weapons charges. Interesting. If the Mom did not report it she is complacent and if the she did and the cops ignored it then they are at fault.

What I would have done is the second the mans- he is by all accounts an adult- actions went from acting out to actual threatening would be to defend myself and then have him locked up for it. But that does not make for a good news story. Notice BTW this is a story that started in August, how much research do you think was needed before the press found the exact story they needed at this point in time? How many other mentally ill folks are out there that families are dealing with? Now ask yourself what makes this one different, and WHY is it news at all?


What the article is saying is that it is perfectly fine to ignore the assault and menacing, but much better to turn him in for weapons and ammo.

DavieD55
02-19-2013, 11:03
I think dwalker460 makes a valid point about this story and it being more of a propaganda campaign, considering what is taking place in our state and country today. It is no secret that 9 news is a very liberal anti-gun media outlet.

Clint45
02-19-2013, 11:28
I think dwalker460 makes a valid point about this story and it being more of a propaganda campaign, considering what is taking place in our state and country today. It is no secret that 9 news is a very liberal anti-gun media outlet.

There are several Libtards I know who would feel it was their "civic duty" to inform on gun owners in their family if a total ban on semi-auto rifles and pistols ever went into effect. "But it's THE LAW" . . . "This is FOR YOUR OWN GOOD."

USAFGopherMike
02-19-2013, 11:44
Propaganda. Period.

Katastrophic
02-19-2013, 11:54
If the bleeding hearts only knew how often the police are called on mentally unstable people... I listen to the police scanner sometimes and I hear about this more often then I'd like to. If anyone cared about the mental health of the people in our country, it wouldn't take much legwork to bring it into the open.

DavieD55
02-19-2013, 11:57
There are several Libtards I know who would feel it was their "civic duty" to inform on gun owners in their family if a total ban on semi-auto rifles and pistols ever went into effect. "But it's THE LAW" . . . "This is FOR YOUR OWN GOOD."

Useful idiots.

Kraven251
02-19-2013, 12:35
The story is two fold. There is some propaganda to it, but it also has some valid points.

It is really a mental health issue, that much is pretty clear based on the guy's history. The propaganda though will come from how a UBC could have prevented this, or how did he amass all of these resources etc.

The focus should be on mental health, but chances are pretty low that will be the case.

68Charger
02-19-2013, 13:21
The story is two fold. There is some propaganda to it, but it also has some valid points.

It is really a mental health issue, that much is pretty clear based on the guy's history. The propaganda though will come from how a UBC could have prevented this, or how did he amass all of these resources etc.

The focus should be on mental health, but chances are pretty low that will be the case.

This ^^^^
What I take from this at face value is the system is broken when dealing with mental illness, period.

ShelbyJK500
02-19-2013, 13:37
What would YOU do?

You are living with a diagnosed, mentally unstable adult relative. This relative has threatened you on more than one occasion with death or severe bodily injury. You have sought mental health treatment for this relative and there is no long term solution. You keep coming back to the same stand off in your house. This relative is knowingly violating both state and federal law and there is always the possibility you could one day be charged as an accessory or an accomplice to your relative's criminal behavior. You love your relative, but despite arming yourself, you are unable to sleep soundly in your own house.

What do YOU do?

Take his stockpile and put it under your lock & key, then kick him out. Problem solved. He won't be able to stockpile without mommy paying the bills and putting a roof over his adult head.

Parental ENABLING is the epidemic. Hell, half of these "mental illnesses" are created by this apathetic parenting. The other side of that EPIDEMIC coin is the completely OVER-DIAGNOSED mental health labels. EVERY single one of us could be labeled as having a mental illness provided the right/wrong doctor or psych. And the icing on the cake is the medicated public out there. Oh, not feeling happy the past few weeks...OH, you must be bi-polar...take two of these and DON'T call me in the morning. 90% of Bi-polar diagnoses are BS.

There is the very low percentage of the population that are truly mentally ill and need intervention. Most have psychotic breaks in their teens to early 20's at the latest. Those people I feel for and pray get the help they desperately need/deserve. As for the rest of this over/wrongly-diagnosed drugged-out zombie population boil down to personality disorders...NOT true mental illness. For the rest of the population that wants to feel like they have a disorder...you do...its in the mirror.

Bailey Guns
02-19-2013, 17:45
This seams to be an on going trend. A mother/father trying to get help for their child but can't. There is something you need to fix. Again this has nothing to do with the guns. This could have been stock piles of porn and he threatened to rape people if they put him in the hositol!

The Colorado democrat-controlled house did fix it. They're banning 30-round magazines. Problem solved. Next.


What would YOU do?

You are living with a diagnosed, mentally unstable adult relative. This relative has threatened you on more than one occasion with death or severe bodily injury. You have sought mental health treatment for this relative and there is no long term solution. You keep coming back to the same stand off in your house. This relative is knowingly violating both state and federal law and there is always the possibility you could one day be charged as an accessory or an accomplice to your relative's criminal behavior. You love your relative, but despite arming yourself, you are unable to sleep soundly in your own house.

What do YOU do?

Charge law-abiding gun owners a fee for background checks when purchasing a gun. Done. Next.


Hopefully he gets the help he needs. Sounds like he needs it.

Yes. He does. No more private sales of firearms between law-abiding citizens. All firearms sales require a background check with the appropriate fee. There. He's cured. Next.

Clint45
02-19-2013, 17:57
If the bleeding hearts only knew how often the police are called on mentally unstable people... I listen to the police scanner sometimes and I hear about this more often then I'd like to. If anyone cared about the mental health of the people in our country, it wouldn't take much legwork to bring it into the open.

Sometimes they're called BY the mentally unstable person. I've heard dozens of stories about unstable parents who called the police to conduct a "welfare check" on their son or daughter away at college because they haven't replied to a voicemail within 24 hours. Sometimes they claim that they are "afraid they ODed/committed suicide/were murdered" so the policeman kicks in their door if they don't answer.

Great-Kazoo
02-19-2013, 18:29
Take his stockpile and put it under your lock & key, then kick him out. Problem solved. He won't be able to stockpile without mommy paying the bills and putting a roof over his adult head.

Parental ENABLING is the epidemic. Hell, half of these "mental illnesses" are created by this apathetic parenting. The other side of that EPIDEMIC coin is the completely OVER-DIAGNOSED mental health labels. EVERY single one of us could be labeled as having a mental illness provided the right/wrong doctor or psych. And the icing on the cake is the medicated public out there. Oh, not feeling happy the past few weeks...OH, you must be bi-polar...take two of these and DON'T call me in the morning. 90% of Bi-polar diagnoses are BS.

There is the very low percentage of the population that are truly mentally ill and need intervention. Most have psychotic breaks in their teens to early 20's at the latest. Those people I feel for and pray get the help they desperately need/deserve. As for the rest of this over/wrongly-diagnosed drugged-out zombie population boil down to personality disorders...NOT true mental illness. For the rest of the population that wants to feel like they have a disorder...you do...its in the mirror.

You are out of touch with reality and or the world outside your keyboard.
A few questions here and there will have a gun in your hand within 24hrs . Go to the shady part of ANYTOWN USA it's the same. Locking up and restricting access to a gun does not mean another one isn't available. If that were the case we'd have no criminals with GUNS!

DavieD55
02-19-2013, 18:37
The Colorado democrat-controlled house did fix it. They're banning 30-round magazines. Problem solved. Next.



Charge law-abiding gun owners a fee for background checks when purchasing a gun. Done. Next.



Yes. He does. No more private sales of firearms between law-abiding citizens. All firearms sales require a background check with the appropriate fee. There. He's cured. Next.


No kidding.

ShelbyJK500
02-19-2013, 21:39
You are out of touch with reality and or the world outside your keyboard.
A few questions here and there will have a gun in your hand within 24hrs . Go to the shady part of ANYTOWN USA it's the same. Locking up and restricting access to a gun does not mean another one isn't available. If that were the case we'd have no criminals with GUNS!

Actually I wade through this BS every day...couldn't be more IN TOUCH with reality if it smacked me in the face....oh wait...

Of course he could obtain a throw down POS gun off the street with whatever money he could scramble up without the support of mommy. On the street he wouldn't be able to STOCKPILE an armory of stuff like he apparently did in the privacy of his comfy-cozy enabled existence. That was my point, not that any sort of CONTROL is possible. There, am I in touch with YOUR reality now? ;)

jscwerve
02-19-2013, 23:25
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, and stand by it. There used to be institutions in this country for people like this that faded in the 60s and 70s. No, not all of them were on the level, I do admit that, but I'm POSITIVE that having people like this under observation and receiving treatment helped to keep a safer society.

Time to bring back the men in white coats and the rubber rooms.

Great-Kazoo
02-20-2013, 00:17
Actually I wade through this BS every day...couldn't be more IN TOUCH with reality if it smacked me in the face....oh wait...

Of course he could obtain a throw down POS gun off the street with whatever money he could scramble up without the support of mommy. On the street he wouldn't be able to STOCKPILE an armory of stuff like he apparently did in the privacy of his comfy-cozy enabled existence. That was my point, not that any sort of CONTROL is possible. There, am I in touch with YOUR reality now? ;)

This is a STOCKPILE????? You realty is out of touch and believes the bullshit the liberal gun grabbing crowd spits out, if you believe this is a stockpile.
shows investigators found boxes of ammunition, hand guns, sniper suits, gun building parts, tactical clothing, rifles and a (singular)"welded AK-47 long gun" in Richard Lancaster's room.

Get real. How much ammo, hand guns and gun building parts, do you consider a Stockpile??? Based on the average Police Chief and MSM, 3 guns and 1k of 22 is an Arsenal.

ShelbyJK500
02-20-2013, 02:18
This is a STOCKPILE????? You realty is out of touch and believes the bullshit the liberal gun grabbing crowd spits out, if you believe this is a stockpile.
shows investigators found boxes of ammunition, hand guns, sniper suits, gun building parts, tactical clothing, rifles and a (singular)"welded AK-47 long gun" in Richard Lancaster's room.

Get real. How much ammo, hand guns and gun building parts, do you consider a Stockpile??? Based on the average Police Chief and MSM, 3 guns and 1k of 22 is an Arsenal.

Arguing semantics. Rifle(s) plural...handgun(s) plural...boxe(s) of ammo...none of the numbers disclosed...and all the other stuff combined....you're right, no concern until he hit YOUR level/perception of a "stockpile". OH, and I believe about 5% of what the liberal media puts out, pretty much just venue...they can at least get that right at times. The story made me sick the way it was dramatized and sensationalized. However, it does present a real issue that does exist all over and I was simply answering a question asked with an answer/opinion.

Great-Kazoo
02-20-2013, 08:53
Arguing semantics. Rifle(s) plural...handgun(s) plural...boxe(s) of ammo...none of the numbers disclosed...and all the other stuff combined....you're right, no concern until he hit YOUR level/perception of a "stockpile". OH, and I believe about 5% of what the liberal media puts out, pretty much just venue...they can at least get that right at times. The story made me sick the way it was dramatized and sensationalized. However, it does present a real issue that does exist all over and I was simply answering a question asked with an answer/opinion.

. Until there is actually an unbiased story from any media outlet we are all screwed. Every person walking out or in to a gun store is marked as a stock pile[r] threat.
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