View Full Version : Why are there no -1's
Great-Kazoo
02-19-2013, 10:16
In feed back. I have read 3 - 4 threads in the TP forums where the OP post, Buyer backed out Up for sale again.
UNLESS there is a death in the family, or you lost your job, how do you commit to buy then go OOPS changed my mind?
DON'T TELL ME ,"SORRY MY WIFE SAYS I CAN'T". I'll minus 10 your ass for that poor excuse.
Yes i understand "thing's happen", however commit or do not respond. You don't have cash flow DON'T say I'LL Take it.
Hell there was a3-4 page thread going from a known board member who said another member backed out of a deal. YET FAILED TO NAME NAMES. Even when asked repeatedly who it was.
TheBelly
02-19-2013, 10:23
I was asked if I would deliver up to castle rock. The add said I wouldn't. They didn't want to wait for the postal service to ship the items.
There was no "-1" because the guy didn't actually back out of the deal. He asked a question that was outside of the parameters set in the add, and we didn't make a deal. no deal made = no reason to give a "-1" or anything of the sort. We couldn't come to a mutual arrangement. Simple.
(that's just my most recent example)
ETA: I'll feedback the crap out of someone who actually wastes my time and backs out of a deal.
Damn it, Jim. Don't you know leaving negative feedback would hurt someone's feelings.
Well put Jim... It's all about integrity. I say we start calling people out. [Coffee]
Great-Kazoo
02-19-2013, 10:30
Damn it, Jim. Don't you know leaving negative feedback would hurt someone's feelings.
If they forgot an item i'd think hard on it[LOL]
i have left one(only one person flaked) they were sad about it :D
Punkface
02-19-2013, 10:33
I don't think I've seen any -1's on this site. It pisses me off when people don't leave feedback though.
Great-Kazoo
02-19-2013, 10:33
Well put Jim... It's all about integrity. I say we start calling people out. [Coffee]
Start? it should be the norm. The up side is, to date no one has backed out of a deal for an other than legitimate reason, with me. I check feed back on someone who i have not dealt with before.
I've had 2 jerk me off and they received -1's.
I don't think I've seen any -1's on this site. It pisses me off when people don't leave feedback though.
I've actually stopped leaving feedback because the last few instances I left positive feedback and received nothing back. Don't know if it was because I smelled that bad, they are lazy, or maybe some people just don't "do" feedback, but unless the transaction goes badly, I don't want to bother anymore if it's just going to be me posting.
TheBelly
02-19-2013, 10:38
I've had 2 jerk me off and they received -1's.
a callus will do that.
Punkface
02-19-2013, 10:39
I've had 2 jerk me off and they received -1's.
You no likey the happy ending?
Problem with negative feedback on this site is there is no way to verify. If I post negative Feedback on Jim because I am pissed, but not Jim's fault, how will anyone else be able to figure it out.
Problem with negative feedback on this site is there is no way to verify. If I post negative Feedback on Jim because I am pissed, but not Jim's fault, how will anyone else be able to figure it out.
The person who received the negative feedback has a chance to publicly respond and make a counter point at the very least, I suppose.
TheBelly
02-19-2013, 10:43
Problem with negative feedback on this site is there is no way to verify. If I post negative Feedback on Jim because I am pissed, but not Jim's fault, how will anyone else be able to figure it out.
I'll call someone out and explain it in their feedback thread. That way anyone else can deal with them at their own risk, but they'll know EXACTLY why the negative feedback.
There's also the PM function. I've asked folks on here if they would deal with person-xyz again.
I have no problem posting negative feedback. Dont back out of deals and it wont happen. Thats the bottom line.
I haven't left feedback because sometimes people just change their mind or get buyers remorse.
I've been trying to sell/trade an ar pistol and
I had one guy agree to a trade, and overnight decided his trade was worth more (even though I know what he paid for the gun, because I was interested when it was for sale too) and then wanted money on my end....
another guy who set a time to meet and called that morning and said his furnace broke and couldn't afford it
a third guy who offered a trade plus cash, but then emailed me that I was valuing my trade at "crazy price" ($1050) and his pistol (glock) was at "normal price" ($650????) and I had to either lower my value to prepanic price, or raise his trade to panic price
not forum related, but then I took the gun to Tanner where someone bought the gun, then didn't pass the background check at the show (delayed, haven't heard back)
then on Saturday got another offer from someone on the board, I thought that we had an agreement and asked if I travel for exchange, I responded I would, and haven't heard back...dispite sending him another PM that went unanswered (he's been on everyday since). I have someone else that's interested (actually the first guy with a different trade) but waiting to hear back from the latest guy
So I'm done trying to sell/trade stuff here....it's not worth it. I think I'm a pretty reasonable guy, haven't asked anything crazy...I think I'm priced "fair"
none have been neg rep'ed because maybe it's my fault...maybe I misunderstood. And it hasn't cost me anything yet
Been there done that, as a mod on another forum and with a jacked up shotgun I bought on here. The mod basically said the same thing and was helpful, but I still got a bad deal on a gun that was cosmetically altered to hide some defects.
I'd give someone a neutral if they backed out, but it cost me notihng. Unless there is a software rating system, it is just too difficult and will significnatly increase the burden on the mods.
IF it were my site, I would require a $10 donation to be able to sell...that carries a stick and allows revocation.
DeusExMachina
02-19-2013, 11:03
I've posted one well deserved -1 in my time here. The person whined and complained to mods, gave me a -1 in retaliation and continued to bitch and moan until it was removed.
Curiously that person no longer posts here.
I don't like drama, and would expect negative feedback left in retaliation as occurs on other sites. I only had a few bad transactions here, and all were a while back: 1. Guy fucked me on a gun deal by claiming he "only wanted to spend" $100 less than the already agreed upon amount . . . currently reselling that same item for more than double what he paid for it. 2. Guy wanted to buy a pair of antique pistols for a very low price . . . changed the meetup location THREE TIMES at the last minute, then started blowing up my phone a week later because on his 2nd or 3rd extended range session a easily replaced part cracked on one of them. 3. Guy sold me a shotgun with a bad spring which does not always allow the hammer to cock unless the trigger is pushed forward . . . and he KNEW about the defect and lied to me about it.
sneakerd
02-19-2013, 12:32
I would only leave negative feedback if someone ripped me off or cheated me somehow. Not for changing their mind.
I'll tell on myself: I should have a -1. I backed out of buying a small tabletop stereo on payday this month from a member as I was just gifted one earlier this month and don't need another. So the seller is more than welcome to leave negative feedback. My "feelers" won't be hurt. lol
Birddog1911
02-19-2013, 13:33
I gave one -1 feedback because of someone backing out, and it was much like Deus's case; the mods pressured me to remove it.
Thankfully, that is the only time I've had a bad deal here on the site.
Jefe's AR
02-19-2013, 13:37
This thread may have been started in part due to me. I had committed to the Kel Tec KSG. I then purchased an Ed Brown on Sunday. While trying to figure out how to make the exchange for the KSG I was hoping to not have to drive all the way to Grand Junction as the buyer was unwilling to meet and preferred to ship. I have no issues that he didn't want to spend money to sell the gun. He had stated he had another buyer and needed to get a decision from me. Based on the fact he had another buyer I didn't feel too bad about backing out and stated in my PM that I would still take it if he had the other buyer backed out. The seller bumped his ad and that's when Jim and Kid got their panties in a wad. I immediately called the seller and left a message that I would again take the KSG and would drive to GJ to pick it up and to call me back. He did and we made arrangements for me to pick it up tomorrow.
The whole point of my response here is that you DON'T know what was promised, decided, or worked out and that YOU don't know what was said or done about a sale or lack of or why someone would back out based on limited information posted. So while you THINK you know, you DON'T. Minding your own business is good business when you don't have all the details.
I've had a seller back out. I didn't leave any feedback as another forum member had the same results and did post feed back. I'm very hesitant to post negative feedback unless it's remarkably clear that the buyer/seller is bad to do business with. I just move on. This is when I don't leave feedback. Not because I'm lazy, don't care, or whatever. I just rather not leave any feedback rather than talk shit about someone. It's called taking the high road. You might just want to try it once in a while.
Edit: FYI, I have seen negative feedback given here on more than one feedback post. There's no lack of negative feedback. Is it possible that the majority of buyers and sellers here conduct themselves in a proper way and that's the reason for the lack of negative feedback?
Great-Kazoo
02-19-2013, 14:36
This thread may have been started in part due to me. I had committed to the Kel Tec KSG. I then purchased an Ed Brown on Sunday. While trying to figure out how to make the exchange for the KSG I was hoping to not have to drive all the way to Grand Junction as the buyer was unwilling to meet and preferred to ship. I have no issues that he didn't want to spend money to sell the gun. He had stated he had another buyer and needed to get a decision from me. Based on the fact he had another buyer I didn't feel too bad about backing out and stated in my PM that I would still take it if he had the other buyer backed out. The seller bumped his ad and that's when Jim and Kid got their panties in a wad. I immediately called the seller and left a message that I would again take the KSG and would drive to GJ to pick it up and to call me back. He did and we made arrangements for me to pick it up tomorrow.
The whole point of my response here is that you DON'T know what was promised, decided, or worked out and that YOU don't know what was said or done about a sale or lack of or why someone would back out based on limited information posted. So while you THINK you know, you DON'T. Minding your own business is good business when you don't have all the details.
I've had a seller back out. I didn't leave any feedback as another forum member had the same results and did post feed back. I'm very hesitant to post negative feedback unless it's remarkably clear that the buyer/seller is bad to do business with. I just move on. This is when I don't leave feedback. Not because I'm lazy, don't care, or whatever. I just rather not leave any feedback rather than talk shit about someone. It's called taking the high road. You might just want to try it once in a while.
Edit: FYI, I have seen negative feedback given here on more than one feedback post. There's no lack of negative feedback. Is it possible that the majority of buyers and sellers here conduct themselves in a proper way and that's the reason for the lack of negative feedback?
No, but if your conscience is bothering you let it all out and seek redemption.
I ask as i know of 2 members who have left -1 for someone besides myself. AND............... i have seen more than 1 post in GD where board members whine, bitch and menstruate over a deal that may have went south. THE WHOLE TIME never giving names or being able to back up what they complained about in the first place.
IF yo uhave a deal go south, because of buyer seller demanding you pay more or take less and it was an agreed price b4 hand let us know. You have someone dick you around and not show. THEN 2-3 days later sorry i XXXXXXXXX yet see them posting or responding to a thread, AND you have a "paper trail" to back your story, -ONE their ass.
I had one tell me SORRY i received a better offer (nother board) i -1 them to hell and back.
I believe the internet equivalent to a handshake is an I'll take it. Then again i'm still on a DOS system[ROFL3]
HoneyBadger
02-19-2013, 14:43
I gave some dickhead a BIG -1 after he backed out on me. I was going to sell a really nice tabletop stereo to him and then he backed out claiming that he "just got one as a birthday present"... What a load of BS! [Rant1]
SideShow Bob
02-19-2013, 14:52
So, can post bad feedback for Omnicron for not letting me take his car for a spin around the block on Sunday ?
10mm-man
02-19-2013, 15:01
Start? I've had 2 jerk me off and they received -1's.
Gross! Must have not been very good for a -1....
clublights
02-19-2013, 16:45
I don't think anyone else should stress out about what a seller or buyer decides is bad enough for a -1
I've perhaps deserved 2 -1's ....
First one I saw a gun I wanted.. was supposed to make enough money that night to pay for it + get payed back from a loan to a friend.. less then 24 hours later ( more like 12 hours most of them over night ) The money didn't come thru I got paid less and the loan repayment was unable . i apologized profusely and the seller understood .. had it sold to someone else in just a few hours . Does that deserve a -1 ? maybe
Second one Posted I'll take it .. took a couple days for the seller and I to find a meeting time .. then I ended up in the hospital in ICU for a few days ... seller was nice enough to hold the gun till I was out and able to meet up . some would say that deserves a -1 the way folks are talkin here .
I hope I'm never truly to blame and the deserving recipient of a -1, but I think I came the closest to one I've been so far, THIS MORNING. In short, I connected my neighbor with a seller on here who has some BCG's for sale. They coordinated amongst themselves and for one reason or another my neighbor screwed the pooch and they never met. I vouched for the guy and he fumbled, and it makes me feel like an ass.
If I were to ever make a deal with a fellow member and they flaked, went back on their word, etc, or I were to do the same, then I think a -1 could be appropriate. Fortunately, as many others have noted, this community is pretty much entirely comprised of "my word is my bond" kind of folks. That can't be said for very many cross-sections anymore.
I gave some dickhead a BIG -1 after he backed out on me. I was going to sell a really nice tabletop stereo to him and then he backed out claiming that he "just got one as a birthday present"... What a load of BS! [Rant1]
Ummm, it was Skully not you. Yes I'm a dickhead. And I wasn't given one "as a birthday present" as my birthday is in January and I received it a few days ago. I was gifted one though. I did offer to still buy it on the 26th (payday) but I'll just turn around and sale it as well since I already have one, so it's up to Skully whether he wants to hold me to the fire, no hard feelings either way. It's life... So I don't know if that post was in jest or what... Oh well, Honeybadger don't give a poop!
rockhound
02-19-2013, 17:01
maybe the buyer backed out because the item was a pile of crap or was otherwise not as described,
buyer backed out doesn't mean they didn't show up as promised and once they saw the condition decided it was not for them.
I owe jim several +/- 1 impartial feedbacks
maybe the buyer backed out because the item was a pile of crap or was otherwise not as described,
buyer backed out doesn't mean they didn't show up as promised and once they saw the condition decided it was not for them.
This has happened to me on a different forum before, but not here. I met a gent up in Longmont to look at a rem870 5-6 years ago. He had taken some damn near "professional" photos of it, which seemed odd to me since it was such an inexpensive gun, and it was clear that he had doctored up the blemishes in the bluing and the cracking in the stock in the photos. I took about a 30 second look at it, told him no thanks and he scowled like a crooked politician. Haven't seen him since but I think he still sells on the other site some times.
hghclsswhitetrsh
02-19-2013, 18:01
Jim you by rights owe me a -1. We had a deal made then a bunch of bad things happened to my wife and I. You were able to find a new buyer. Thanks for understanding.
I only had one guy back out of a deal with me for a trade. He decided he didn't like the way my pistol felt in his hand, and that's not unreasonable. So we parted ways, I sold that pistol to someone else the next day, then got back in touch with him the day after to pay cash for his pistol. The only time I backed out of a deal was a guy from armslist who failed to mention that he had Duracoated his "like new" pistol . . . and he had no idea how to Duracoat . . . it looked like he'd dipped that pistol in cake batter.
Great-Kazoo
02-19-2013, 18:09
Jim you by rights owe me a -1. We had a deal made then a bunch of bad things happened to my wife and I. You were able to find a new buyer. Thanks for understanding.
Not when you suffered the your you did. A loss of a child / family member gets a pass in anyone's book. Plus it's not like we ever did a deal before.
Hotchef181818
02-19-2013, 18:51
He thought about it, then he realized it wasn't the members fault so it wouldn't be fair
I hope I'm never truly to blame and the deserving recipient of a -1, but I think I came the closest to one I've been so far, THIS MORNING. In short, I connected my neighbor with a seller on here who has some BCG's for sale. They coordinated amongst themselves and for one reason or another my neighbor screwed the pooch and they never met. I vouched for the guy and he fumbled, and it makes me feel like an ass.
If I were to ever make a deal with a fellow member and they flaked, went back on their word, etc, or I were to do the same, then I think a -1 could be appropriate. Fortunately, as many others have noted, this community is pretty much entirely comprised of "my word is my bond" kind of folks. That can't be said for very many cross-sections anymore.
I think I did a -1 for someone once. I think we had agreed to a deal and then they cut off contact, but were still posting on the forums.
n8tive97
02-19-2013, 20:28
Agree, and it's happened to me! Frustrating.
HoneyBadger
02-19-2013, 21:04
Ummm, it was Skully not you. Yes I'm a dickhead. And I wasn't given one "as a birthday present" as my birthday is in January and I received it a few days ago. I was gifted one though. I did offer to still buy it on the 26th (payday) but I'll just turn around and sale it as well since I already have one, so it's up to Skully whether he wants to hold me to the fire, no hard feelings either way. It's life... So I don't know if that post was in jest or what... Oh well, Honeybadger don't give a poop!
Hahahaha not calling you a dickhead at all! Sorry if you thought that! Just joking around. [Abused]
Great-Kazoo
02-19-2013, 21:16
Hahahaha not calling you a dickhead at all! Sorry if you thought that! Just joking around. [Abused]
Keep that shit up and people are going to call you annoying, OOPS wrong thread[ROFL2]
It's been an epidemic lately. Between people cashing checks they don't have, wanting what they cant afford, maxing out credit cards in fear or simply speaking before thinking/talking to the wife.
I would love to see some software that allows us to see a users feedback next to their screen name. Along with any negative feedback needs to be evidence, personal info removed, posted for all to see and a panel of mods can make the decision whether the feedback is deserved. Childish retaliation feedback almost always happens
I would be happy if they would leave feedback at all + or - I've done several deals here and have always left + feedback, and have never had a bad transaction, but I only get the favor returned maybe 1 out of every 3-4 deals.
kidicarus13
02-19-2013, 23:08
I just rather not leave any feedback rather than talk shit about someone. It's called taking the high road. You might just want to try it once in a while.
It's called a feedback forum for a reason. If you don't leave appropriate feedback, positive and negative, it does not work as intended.
When you take the "high road" it may cause others to have a not-so-pleasant transaction because you did not leave accurate feedback for them to read before choosing to buy from or sell to an individual.
Maybe those that aren't willing to leave negative feedback when appropriate need not leave feedback at all- positive or negative. I personally don't consider negative feedback shit talking.
On a few occasions I've personally told others "I'll take it" only to realize moments later I don't have enough $ or I thought the price was low and then realized it wasn't so low after doing some surfing. But... each time I've figured out a way to come up with the money without hesitation or lame excuse and that is how I try to keep all of my feedback positive. I now realize that others can do whatever they want in regard to transactions and still have 100% positive feedback. GGGGrrr8
RonMexico
02-20-2013, 00:18
I should have left a -1 on a member a few days after he backed out of our deal. This lil girl text me a few hours before we are gonna meet and says something about his wife and a car accident and he can't buy my firearm
...... A few days later I see he write I'll take it on a different firearm. This lil girl should have had the testicular fortitude to tell me he fucked up but instead made some bitch ass story up.
hghclsswhitetrsh
02-20-2013, 00:21
I should have left a -1 on a member a few days after he backed out of our deal. This lil girl text me a few hours before we are gonna meet and says something about his wife and a car accident and he can't buy my firearm
...... A few days later I see he write I'll take it on a different firearm. This lil girl should have had the testicular fortitude to tell me he fucked up but instead made some bitch ass story up.
Theres still time. Sack up and get er dun.
I should have left a -1 on a member a few days after he backed out of our deal. This lil girl text me a few hours before we are gonna meet and says something about his wife and a car accident and he can't buy my firearm
...... A few days later I see he write I'll take it on a different firearm. This lil girl should have had the testicular fortitude to tell me he fucked up but instead made some bitch ass story up.
Post It up. Post pictures of the texts with any names and numbers removed.
Agree with your Thread Starter Jim!!! I used to just see if people had feedback and just assumed it was positive. Well I dealt with a person that said they wanted my firearm, said we'd meet up but on the day (which was a couple days later) we were supposed to meet up, I write them to confirm and they write back; "Sorry, money was burning a hole in my pocket, went out and bought something else this morning"... What an ASS! Not eve the courtesy to tell me they were contemplating something else? Not even the courtesy to email/contact me first and only relay the information when I was confirming our meet?
Well, I checked to see if they had any feedback. They did. And when I started actually reading through it, I saw this person had done this type of thing twice before. Agree to meet then back out at more or less the last minute or not show with some lame excuse....
So, I think it would be cool if there was a fast way to summarize someones feedback at a glance... Taught me to read through the feedback and not assume all were good AND to caveat my ads that if you have too many negative comments, or don't rebut the ones you have I'm not dealing with you...
And couldn't agree more with you Kidicarus13. Feedback isn't meant to be just positive, it needs to be all for it to be affective, to help other board members if they want to deal with a person. We need to share lessons learned so someone else doesn't have to learn through a bad experience..
Aloha_Shooter
02-20-2013, 09:55
I would be happy if they would leave feedback at all + or - I've done several deals here and have always left + feedback, and have never had a bad transaction, but I only get the favor returned maybe 1 out of every 3-4 deals.
In the immortal words of Taggart from Blazing Saddles, "Ditto."
DeusExMachina
03-01-2013, 11:19
It's interesting to see someone that does a ton of deals on the forum completely blow you off when you offered to help them with a part they need, without so much a word let alone payment. Does it deserve a -1? Probably. Is it worth the hassle when the mods will just make everyone "play nice"? Definitely not.
[Pop]
One of the very first deals I did was with a guy who gave me a firm "I'll take it" to pay $600 for a WW2 M1 Carbine in excellent condition that had plenty of pics posted and lots of extras included . . . was originally listed at 800 but I dropped the price over the next 2 weeks to fund another purchase . . . which I made an hour before meeting him with cash I probably should not have spent. To make a long story short, he looks it over and immediately asks if he can field strip it . . . while standing in a half foot of fresh snow in a parking lot across from Tanner. I stupidly agree, and he proceeds to remove the bolt, recoil spring, and trigger group . . . then he takes out a fucking Leatherman and says he "wants to see if the numbers match" on the small parts inside the trigger group and starts trying to remove a pin with pliers. I tell him I'm not comfortable with that and he puts it back together. Then he brags that he "already owns a dozen M1 carbines and doesn't need another" and states that even though he has more money, he only had $500 of "mad money" he wanted to spend . . . after originally stating and confirming "I will take it" for $600 cash. Against my better judgement, because of the snowstorm, the fact it had been unsold for 2 weeks, and the fact that I was now broke until payday a week away, I agreed to take $500 . . . after which he decided to take back the bills and give me some other one's instead because he "wanted to keep the fifties." Because I was watching him closely and carefully recounted it I was not shortchanged. Guy contacted me via armslist but was a member here and still is, and although he's been here a year longer than myself his postcount is well under 100. The only reason I'm not posting a -1 is because this happened over 3 years ago and I know he has friends here and it would stir up drama . . . but fuck that guy.
I don't disagree with most of you guys about some members deserving -1
I once probably deserve -1 from one member around 2008.
I accidently wrote 200rounds instead of 100 on PM. After founding out the error, I immediately called him, and he understood. He still proceeded a deal with me.
This is why I have long @ss disclosures posted at least on armslist to filter out some turds.
Robby30-06
03-01-2013, 15:10
I left a -1 once. The guy contacted me right away and took proper action to correct the deal. I quickly updated my post regarding his feedback.
I think we don't have many -1s because we have a bunch of good folks on this site. Nobody I've met on a deal has made me uneasy for one second.
Jesus......i hope we don't lose the private gun deals.
ChunkyMonkey
03-01-2013, 15:28
I left a -1 once. The guy contacted me right away and took proper action to correct the deal. I quickly updated my post regarding his feedback.
I think we don't have many -1s because we have a bunch of good folks on this site. Nobody I've met on a deal has made me uneasy for one second.
Jesus......i hope we don't lose the private gun deals.
In most cases, seller or buyer would contact me, vice versa, if something is wrong. i had one just last week..few more last couple years. We take care of each others in MOST part.
I did have a no call no show on an appointment to purchase - Then he rescheduled, only to do the same crap... one of the noobs here. He only has 2 feedback, do I want the drama? No, I moved on. Bad buyers/sellers do exist... I agree w/ Jim, I will start leaving neg feedback.
kidicarus13
03-01-2013, 19:54
For all of you giving excuses as to why you don't/didn't leave negative feedback how about this... Just leave accurate feedback.
Great-Kazoo
03-01-2013, 20:07
For all of you giving excuses as to why you don't/didn't leave negative feedback how about this... Just leave accurate feedback.
For all the tough talk there are light weights who complain, yet never say who screwed who. Either -1 with documentation, or NEVER Piss & Moan in GD, EVER!
JM Ver. 2.0
03-01-2013, 20:50
I think I did a -1 for someone once. I think we had agreed to a deal and then they cut off contact, but were still posting on the forums.
I bitched, cried, and whined to the mods... It got removed... Pony Boy.
JM Ver. 2.0
03-01-2013, 20:54
For all of you giving excuses as to why you don't/didn't leave negative feedback how about this... Just leave accurate feedback.
Shit. I owe you feedback! Hang on!
ANADRILL
03-01-2013, 23:49
Why does it freaking matter, shit comes up, things happen. If I am buying a car and decide to back out who gives a flying fuck...fuck -1s ... Just realist and move on.. No since in being a sissy about it.. Geez
Why does it freaking matter, shit comes up, things happen. If I am buying a car and decide to back out who gives a flying fuck...fuck -1s ... Just realist and move on.. No since in being a sissy about it.. Geez
Quoted so people can see what whelchers sound like.
"man of your word" it isn't just a saying, it's something you do.
I agreed to buy a rifle at an agreed on price. We agreed to meet the next day and I was given a phone number to call and arrange where. I called the next morning and they stated that it had been sold on another forum. They stated if things changed they would let me know. I waited about a week then posted a negative feedback on them.
Great-Kazoo
03-02-2013, 02:36
I agreed to buy a rifle at an agreed on price. We agreed to meet the next day and I was given a phone number to call and arrange where. I called the next morning and they stated that it had been sold on another forum. They stated if things changed they would let me know. I waited about a week then posted a negative feedback on them.
Good for you.
If someone has an unexpected expense and needs to cancel a buy, they probably shouldn't get negative feedback for that as long as communication is clear. Negs should be for things like: failing to show up for a meet and not answering the phone, showing up short on cash or trying to negotiate a lower price at the time of purchase, or handing over a wad of money that is short bills, or selling a worn out or broken gun as "in excellent condition." Fortunately, that bullshit is rare here.
JM Ver. 2.0
03-02-2013, 07:18
If someone has an unexpected expense and needs to cancel a buy, they probably shouldn't get negative feedback for that as long as communication is clear. Negs should be for things like: failing to show up for a meet and not answering the phone, showing up short on cash or trying to negotiate a lower price at the time of purchase, or handing over a wad of money that is short bills, or selling a worn out or broken gun as "in excellent condition." Fortunately, that bullshit is rare here.
I did that to Skully and Alan... Forgot to hit the ATM before I showed up... I felt like a dumbass... :(
Great-Kazoo
03-02-2013, 07:53
I did that to Skully and Alan... Forgot to hit the ATM before I showed up... I felt like a dumbass... :(
Likewise 2 weeks ago. came up $200 light OOPS. no biggie seller understood and i only scored 1.2 the ammo. Did end up with another gun out of the deal.
Hotchef181818
03-02-2013, 09:26
I did that to Skully and Alan... Forgot to hit the ATM before I showed up... I felt like a dumbass... :(
I did this to skully about a year ago. I drove an hour to him in Broomfield, went to pull out the cash and realized I never grabbed it from the safe. Had to drive all the way round trip again to get the cash. Felt like quite the dumbass.
ChunkyMonkey
03-02-2013, 09:53
Likewise 2 weeks ago. came up $200 light OOPS. no biggie seller understood and i only scored 1.2 the ammo. Did end up with another gun out of the deal.
-1
ChunkyMonkey
03-02-2013, 09:54
I did that to Skully and Alan... Forgot to hit the ATM before I showed up... I felt like a dumbass... :(
-2
Richard K
03-02-2013, 10:05
The closest I came to a welch was I agreed to a cash price and a meet. Grabbed cash out of the safe and upon meeting the guy I was $100 short. luckily I always carry an extra $100 bill in my wallet.
One I should have given a -1 was a guy who agreed to a cash price on a Colt 6920. Drove quite a ways to meet him and he had no cash but offered me a construction company check.
Fentonite
03-02-2013, 11:15
I recently left negative feedback, which had been earned by the recipient. What did he do? He posted retaliatory negative feedback for me. Not because I failed to keep my end of a bargain, but because he didn't like the negative feedback he earned.
If someone doesn't understand honor or the meaning of a man's word, they aren't likely man enough to accept negative feedback, and will just start a pissing match in the Feedback section.
I recently left negative feedback, which had been earned by the recipient. What did he do? He posted retaliatory negative feedback for me. Not because I failed to keep my end of a bargain, but because he didn't like the negative feedback he earned.
If someone doesn't understand honor or the meaning of a man's word, they aren't likely man enough to accept negative feedback, and will just start a pissing match in the Feedback section.
Funny I recently had the same problem, then he came in here and posted that people should get over it and not be sissies.
kidicarus13
03-02-2013, 11:25
I recently left negative feedback, which had been earned by the recipient. What did he do? He posted retaliatory negative feedback for me. Not because I failed to keep my end of a bargain, but because he didn't like the negative feedback he earned.
If someone doesn't understand honor or the meaning of a man's word, they aren't likely man enough to accept negative feedback, and will just start a pissing match in the Feedback section.
I read the feedback you received and that it BS. Unfortunately I don't have a solution for undeserved retaliatory feedback but maybe the mods do.
I recently left negative feedback, which had been earned by the recipient. What did he do? He posted retaliatory negative feedback for me. Not because I failed to keep my end of a bargain, but because he didn't like the negative feedback he earned.
If someone doesn't understand honor or the meaning of a man's word, they aren't likely man enough to accept negative feedback, and will just start a pissing match in the Feedback section.
I had the same thing happen another forum, the guy canceled a deal after he got a higher offer through a pm, I called him out in gd after he left a -1 because I did, the mods and community got involved and he was made to be a douche nozzle had to apologize to keep membership and I still got the item for the agreed price after the other guy told him to F off for being deceitful.
Troublco
03-02-2013, 12:28
I've never bothered much with feedback; just didn't think too much of it. I've dealt with various folks on here, and never had an issue. The feedback part just hasn't really occurred to me, I think because in the past I've had no problem dealing with the folks on here. Now, with all the new folks? Not sure.
I should have a -1 for backing out of a deal; when my dad passed on Easter 2010 I was in the middle of a deal for a scope. I had to ask the seller to let me out of the deal, as I had to pay for the funeral out of pocket and it took everything I had. Bottom line, I'd told him I'd take it and I didn't.
theGinsue
03-02-2013, 13:34
I read the feedback you received and that it BS. Unfortunately I don't have a solution for undeserved retaliatory feedback but maybe the mods do.
We don't.
The staff is often accused of insisting everyone "play nice" in the Feedback forum, yet we don't. Maybe we used to, but as long as it doesn't get into a pissing match, we let it go.
What we (the staff) do, is insist everyone keep to the facts, not opinions or name-calling. We'll also remove comments from folks feeding the frenzy and not relating their own direct feedback. Those posts aren't the point of the feedback forum.
Make 1 feedback post per deal; anything more is just bitterness, not feedback. If you need to edit that single post to add additional information, do so (use the Edit To Add ["ETA"] notation), but no back-and-forth bickering. Of course, it's only fair that the subject of the feedback be allowed post a factual, not emotional, rebuttal.
As a reminder, until the deal is completed, both the buyer and the seller have the right to back out. The important thing here is to maintain good & timely communication. Unless you've been in a major accident, poor communication is never justifiable and is certainly a foul.
If I call you 5 minutes before a scheduled meet to tell you I'll be late, we can either reschedule or cancel the deal with no foul on either party - things come up.
If I call 5 minutes before a deal and tell you I'm not coming, that's my foul and I deserve negative feedback. But if I call you hours before the scheduled meet to cancel, let it go & move on. If I cancelled the deal because I sold the item out from under you after agreeing to sell/trade the item to you, that's a major foul on my part. Just because a guy on Armslist is offering me $100 more for my item than you are isn't appropriate to break my word. If you think a better deal might come along from someplace else, don't agree to the deal here. If you post something here for a certain price and someone PM's you a better offer after someone else has agreed to your posted terms, you'd be an ass to take the second deal; be a man/woman of your word. Remember, we're NOT an auction site. By the same token, just because you posted an "I'll take it" minutes after the item was posted, don't get all butt hurt over the seller dealing with someone else - you never had a deal & haven't lost a thing beyond the couple of seconds of effort to make your post.
If I show up for a deal and after looking/handling the item I decide it's not what I expected, no foul to back out ("upon inspection" should be considered the default caveat of every deal, including the firm "I'll take it" ones). If it's not what I expected because it was clearly misidentified, that's a foul on the sellers side and the seller needs to update their information for the item or expect that the previous potential buyer will do it for you.
If I show up for a deal and the seller decides that I'm not what he was expecting (he/she doesn't feel comfortable dealing with me), they maintain the right to not deal with me without having to worry about negative feedback. Of course, if I traveled a distance to get there, a decent seller might offer me some compensation for my fuel costs.
If I get an item from a deal and within a couple of weeks (that's a fair period for a detailed examination or opportunity to try out the item - some problems aren't obvious until the item can be used or fully function tested) find that there is something wrong with it, I need to contact the seller via PM and identify the deficiency and give them ample opportunity to make it right before posting negative feedback.
If you agree to purchase something before ensuring you can afford it, that's your foul. Sure, the time it takes you to verify you've got the funds could cause someone else to get the deal, but that's life. Of course, there may be times that you have the funds and something legitimately comes up after agreeing to the deal (funeral, accident, furnace/water heater died, car died, basement just flooded, etc). The seller needs to understand that unexpected events occur in life and they just need to move on to another buyer. However, making up an excuse like that which would be difficult to verify, just to get out of a deal, shows poor integrity and character. No matter how many "I'll take it"'s an item gets, the seller has the right to withdraw the item at any time before agreeing to a deal. But, if the seller reposts it 2 weeks later - foul!
This should cover many, but probably not all, of the circumstances in deals to consider before making feedback. The site rules cover the basics, but in the end it's the faith and trust within our community which is either strengthened or broken when do deal with other members.
Bumping this thread for the new people. :)
Sharpienads
03-10-2013, 11:50
I drove about 30 minutes to sell a guy some ammo. Everything was going well until I was pulling up to the meet and realized I forgot to bring the ammo!!! Doh! Luckily, he was meeting somebody else at the same time, so it wasn't a complete waste of time for him. And he was understanding of my brain fart.
Other than that, I have had nothing but smooth deals. I've never had a reason to leave negative feedback.
Great-Kazoo
03-10-2013, 12:54
I drove about 30 minutes to sell a guy some ammo. Everything was going well until I was pulling up to the meet and realized I forgot to bring the ammo!!! Doh! Luckily, he was meeting somebody else at the same time, so it wasn't a complete waste of time for him. And he was understanding of my brain fart.
Other than that, I have had nothing but smooth deals. I've never had a reason to leave negative feedback.
Nor do most of us.The 2 deals that never transpired, i had no issue leaving -1 for them, with info to support my -1.
IF you have the intention / desire to complain BUT don't want to say who it was, shut up and move on. You have a legit issue WITH DOCUMENTATION [ PM'S & E-M'S] STEP UP inform the board members who, what, when, where & why and let us decide for our self if there's merit. IF NOT STOP STARTING THREADS ABOUT "SOMEONE" WHO you felt "done you wrong" .
theGinsue
03-10-2013, 14:00
I suspect there will be more "-1"'s as folks who've made an offer wake up to the fact that so many here are looking to get every thin dime they can while the prices are still hot. Folks like me prefer to bide my time and wait for the prices to come down to a realistic level.
I suspect there will be more "-1"'s as folks who've made an offer wake up to the fact that so many here are looking to get every thin dime they can while the prices are still hot. Folks like me prefer to bide my time and wait for the prices to come down to a realistic level.
Personally, I'd rather lose a few bucks on a deal than have someone feel as if they were overcharged or the item misrepresented in some way. I only sell guns to buy other guns or pay a bill, just like most of the other guys on this forum. It's a hobby rather than a business. On armslist I see guys flipping guns for profit or charging top dollar and encouraging bidding rather than posting a set price or sticking to a deal. There are a few regulars there that I refuse to deal with. I remember seeing a revolver I wanted last year, and I contacted the seller (a regular) saying that I would take it and I'd been looking for that very model for years . . . whereupon he took down the ad and cut off communication . . . a week later he reposted the same gun with a 30% price increase.
ANADRILL
03-10-2013, 20:41
Bleh...
funkfool
03-10-2013, 23:13
I deserve at least one -1 ...
Was going to give a guy a surround receiver but had to ship it.. ups wanted like 32 bucks to ship something that I wouldn`t have asked 20 bucks for.... never shipped it cause I woulda felt like crap for asking a guy to give me that much for shipping an item not worth the shipping charge.
I shoulda reconnected and explained but several weeks had passed... maybe it isn't too late to explain.
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