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buckshotbarlow
02-20-2013, 19:52
Ok, my friend is pushing his idea and getting some traction. I want to keep my mouth shut, and hear what you think of his plan? My plan has 2 words, one starts with a M and another with a greek A.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/social_issues/jan-june13/newtown_02-18.html
Troublco
02-20-2013, 19:58
To start with, it's ignorant. Licensing gun owners? So, who gives out the licenses? The government. You don't even have to think about this to see what a bad idea it is.
Why do all these idiots try to equate this with driving a car? We don't have a Constitutional right to drive a car. We do have a Constitutional right to own a gun.
If your buddy is really this ignorant, he's worse than the libtards.
Ok, my buddy is pushing his idea and getting some traction. I want to keep my mouth shut, and hear what you think of his plan? My plan has 2 words, one starts with a M and another with a greek A.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/social_issues/jan-june13/newtown_02-18.html
Your buddy needs to be punched in the face
Goodburbon
02-20-2013, 19:58
your buddy needs to stfu
trlcavscout
02-20-2013, 19:58
Maybe he has an accident?
BlasterBob
02-20-2013, 20:00
My plan has 2 words, one starts with a M and another with a greek A.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/social_issues/jan-june13/newtown_02-18.html
??? Need a little help here deciphering what the two words are.???
Sharpienads
02-20-2013, 20:06
??? Need a little help here deciphering what the two words are.???
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ?
jreifsch80
02-20-2013, 20:06
I think that Cody fella is a fricken moron tell him the PSL isn't a dragunov (i assume thats what hes talking about) also tell him that driving and fishing aren't god given rights protected by the constitution what he proposes would be like having to have a lisence to speak freely or having a lisence to procreate
clublights
02-20-2013, 20:06
driving is not a right . it's a privilege. it can be regulated. rights may not.
jreifsch80
02-20-2013, 20:09
By the way I'm so sick of people calling every Kalashnikov variant an ak47 I think I'm now going to call every single ar I ever see an m16a1
Ask the Illini how it's working for them...[hahhah-no]
buckshotbarlow
02-20-2013, 20:14
I know you all would light the tires, and I agree with you all. The whole ak thing I agree with 2. I sent him a nice email stating that we should meet at the range and I would read him the constitutional amendments dealing with the state and federal and how those rights shall not be infringed. Then roflmao'n as he brags about his sks and romo.
hghclsswhitetrsh
02-20-2013, 20:15
I don't know what's worse. People that come out and say they hate guns and no one should have them, or this ple of shit for a plan...
buckshotbarlow
02-20-2013, 20:15
You need new friends...
that's why i live here, haven't talked to the guy in about 4 years.
Zundfolge
02-20-2013, 20:15
ANY form of licensure of guns or gun owners has only ONE purpose; confiscation.
So Molon Labe and "from my cold dead hands" and all that (and yes, I realize that a CHL may be just as bad)
buckshotbarlow
02-20-2013, 20:19
Maybe my plan is to post his email on here so we can discuss it...blahahahahah
buckshotbarlow
02-20-2013, 20:20
Maybe my plan is to post his email on here so we can discuss it...blahahahahah
/start of email/
hope I have answered your questions below. They are great and got me to make a few changes. Keep them coming.
Here is an update to the Framework
It looks like the link to the PBS article did not make it out to everybody so:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/social_issues/jan-june13/newtown_02-18.html
On another note: I was called by IQ 106 out of Philadelphia. This is a local radio station in Philly that saw the PBS article and liked the Framework. I just did an interview with them and will be on in the morning. I doubt many of us (probably including myself) can just listen to them all morning. There is not a specific time for the interview, just a "you will be on the morning show". They do have a live stream though and she said she would try to get me an MP3 at some point. We will see.
Here is the link: http://www.iq1069.com/
I also have a friend in Missouri that looks like they may have me going on a radio station(s) there.
I have responses to some guy below:
On Feb 20, 2013, at 2:58 PM, some guy wrote:
> Things to consider:
> Instructor certifications - Issuing agency? State or Fed level?
Same as the current Carry Conceal rules are today. My understanding is that each state (even down to county) set the rules. If this were enacted at the Federal Level I would expect that to continue but possibly have baseline requirement(s)
> Inheriting guns. Can't without a license? What if they don't qualify for license, what happens to guns?
This makes it pretty simple. No License No Gun. If they don't qualify (in some time period) they may dispose of the guns as they see fit. Sell them, pass them onto another family member who does have a license, etc.
> Under 18 hunters - hunting allowed on learner license?
With a licensed hunter accompanying them. This what I was trying to get at under "Gun Possession" on page 6.
> Under 18 farm/ranch hands - legal to hire and part of their job to carry gun
> Current colorado law: no age requirement for rifles or shotguns, handguns ok but under 18 must be in presence of adult
No License No Gun
> How are private sales compliance recorded?
They are not. This is not a gun registration exercise, actually it is specifically the opposite. You are registering the people. Ammo, guns, anything else is not the point. This should make it easier for even FFL purchases (gun store) since the background check is a simple call to see if the license is in good standing. Currently if you purchase at gun shop A and then another at shop B that counts for 2 background checks. If you pick up the gun a shop A and then a day later buy another gun that requires a 3rd check. This is really wasteful. With the license you have a running standard. If you have a license, we all know you are in good standing after a call to a hotline. (BTW: in writing this I see that the whole hotline part has been left out. That has been fixed…… this is a framework that is meant to grow through excellent input like this)
> How do these two items co-exist? Can't the first be used to loophole the second?
> 1) Law enforcement shall validate gun licenses on request without requiring the reason for the verification.
> 2) Gun license data shall only be accessible to Law Enforcement
I don't see where there is an issue but in rereading that sentence I have changed it to the following:
"Law Enforcement may validate gun licenses on request without requiring a reason for the verification if a gun is visible or found during a lawful search"
> Allowed to file anonymous concerns? You can file anonymous crime reports
I think that would be reasonable.
/end of email/
tmleadr03
02-20-2013, 20:20
The closest I can get to that is allowing CCW holders to not wait for a background check.
theGinsue
02-20-2013, 20:25
Ask the Illini how it's working for them...[hahhah-no]
lived in IL for 10 years for the USAF. Had a TS Clearance and got my Firarms Owners Identification Card (FOID) revoked because I moved 2 blocks on the same Air Force base. Took a month to get a new one (it was expedited) while having a Beretta 92 waiting for me.
BlasterBob
02-20-2013, 20:38
Firarms Owners Identification Card (FOID)
What a big farce the IL FOID is. Now when you attend a gun show in Illinois, before you can pick up ANY firearm or even ammo, you must first display your CURRENT FOID or the vendor is not allowed to let you handle the gun/ammo. If a guy from out of State attempts to just buy a box of ammo (even .22's) they (most of the vendors) will NOT make the sale to you. What a huge pile of [bulls] to contend with. That was one reason for my getting out of Illinois and moving to Colorado but now our wonderful State is leaning in the same damn direction. [blaster]
68Charger
02-20-2013, 20:47
By the way I'm so sick of people calling every Kalashnikov variant an ak47 I think I'm now going to call every single ar I ever see an m16a1
I know what you mean- I was irritated by the idiot lawyer in COS that had his Bulgy AK74 cut up to make garden tools, and a big part of my irritation was the media calling it an AK47...
buckshotbarlow
02-20-2013, 20:50
The poor guy is getting flamed on the email thread. I think he should of thunk'd 2x about his position...
Great-Kazoo
02-20-2013, 20:53
"Law Enforcement may validate gun licenses on request without requiring a reason for the verification if a gun is visible or found during a lawful search"
> Allowed to file anonymous concerns? You can file anonymous crime reports
I think that would be reasonable.
Being reasonable would be for him to drop by my place and dialogue. Since he's YOUR Friend, i'll give you a heads up and not stand to close to him.
??? Need a little help here deciphering what the two words are.???
I'm guessing he means Molon Labe. It's the Greek version of the Gonzales, Texas war cry of Come and Take It!
n8tive97
02-20-2013, 21:04
We're screwed!!!! If this happens am moving this is BS!
Seriously tell your friend to fuck himself x1000000000
driving is not a right . it's a privilege. it can be regulated. rights may not.
Can you support that constitutionally?
jreifsch80
02-20-2013, 21:25
I know what you mean- I was irritated by the idiot lawyer in COS that had his Bulgy AK74 cut up to make garden tools, and a big part of my irritation was the media calling it an AK47...
Are you making fun of me Gary? Lol
BPTactical
02-20-2013, 21:27
driving is not a right . it's a privilege. it can be regulated. rights may not.
BINGO
American Jurisprudence 1st Ed., Highways 163 6.2 A Citizen 's "RIGHT" to travel upon public highways includes the right to use usual conveyances of time, including horse-drawn carriage, or automobile, for ordinary purposes of life and business.
There are literally hundreds of Court decisions in the 1800s that declared (many citing the 5th Amendment) all person have a right to use public roads. The 1st Edition of "Amercian Jurisprudence, cited above, acknowledged such a right and included the term "automobile." So in your declaration of driving as a priveledge, you have accepted the government assertion of control over you and accepted that the government has granted you this priveledge when in fact it was a "Right" removed from Americans by the Government.
See how these things get started. People don't research, inquire or know history.
Ok, my friend is pushing his idea and getting some traction. I want to keep my mouth shut, and hear what you think of his plan? My plan has 2 words, one starts with a M and another with a greek A.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/social_issues/jan-june13/newtown_02-18.html
Your friend may be well-meaning, but he is a dangerous fool.
68Charger
02-20-2013, 21:48
Your friend may be well-meaning, but he is a dangerous fool.
how is this different from a "useful idiot"?
buckshotbarlow
02-20-2013, 21:51
OK, so he just emailed me back, and wants to figure out a better method...Mine!!!
Tell him a great idea is to see if his mass can withstand and stop the mass of a moving peterbuilt at a velocity of 65 mph. Best to just test it and let us know what the results are.
Great-Kazoo
02-20-2013, 22:11
how is this different from a "useful idiot"?
A useful idiot is like an EX. The dangerous fool, is their former,jealous EX.
A useful idiot is like an EX. The dangerous fool, is their former,jealous EX.
Like, a Honda Civic EX?
Dlesh123
02-20-2013, 22:39
American Jurisprudence 1st Ed., Highways 163 6.2 A Citizen 's "RIGHT" to travel upon public highways includes the right to use usual conveyances of time, including horse-drawn carriage, or automobile, for ordinary purposes of life and business.
There are literally hundreds of Court decisions in the 1800s that declared (many citing the 5th Amendment) all person have a right to use public roads. The 1st Edition of "Amercian Jurisprudence, cited above, acknowledged such a right and included the term "automobile." So in your declaration of driving as a priveledge, you have accepted the government assertion of control over you and accepted that the government has granted you this priveledge when in fact it was a "Right" removed from Americans by the Government.
See how these things get started. People don't research, inquire or know history.
I always thought it was a crock that the " conventional wisdom" said that it was a privilege to drive a car. Moving freely about the country regardless of the means of conveyance has always been our birthright. Thank you for doing that research proving that we have been losing our rights for quite some time.
UrbanWolf
02-20-2013, 22:40
When did every gun that has a curvy mag sticking out became an AK-47? Did I miss an important gun evolution?
When did every gun that has a curvy mag sticking out became an AK-47? Did I miss an important gun evolution?
http://i.imgur.com/NOEZnF5.jpg
68Charger
02-20-2013, 22:43
A useful idiot is like an EX. The dangerous fool, is their former,jealous EX.
Need a different context- I don't have an EX... but I've seen them on Facebook [dig]
I think the difference IS context... except that "useful idiot" seems like a contradiction in terms- unless you exploit them somehow, get them to do your bidding? So then don't they become dangerous fools to someone else?
ETA, especially seems to be context, since your examples are both EX's [Coffee]
Great-Kazoo
02-20-2013, 23:09
Need a different context- I don't have an EX... but I've seen them on Facebook [dig]
I think the difference IS context... except that "useful idiot" seems like a contradiction in terms- unless you exploit them somehow, get them to do your bidding? So then don't they become dangerous fools to someone else?
ETA, especially seems to be context, since your examples are both EX's [Coffee]
EX's of EX's. You have the soon to be EX that has a jealous EX she left now that you're tapping her. It's a vicious circle, ask my EX[LOL]
Prettiest picture she ever took was on a milk carton. That you darlin?
how is this different from a "useful idiot"?
A useful idiot can be useful in certain situations.
A danerous fool is a well-intended person that doesn't take their actions and/or repercussions into account; they do not comprehend reason, and seek instead the "feels right" method of logic.
UrbanWolf
02-20-2013, 23:15
http://i.imgur.com/NOEZnF5.jpg
I feel bad for that random car.
driving is not a right . it's a privilege. it can be regulated. rights may not.
some disagree, free travel and all.
ChunkyMonkey
02-21-2013, 00:18
Why is he still your friend? Tell him we need to license all authors, writers, poets since apparently the constitution right means nothing.
Kraven251
02-21-2013, 00:29
Please call the fire department, locate the nearest chemical fire and tell him about the hot new dance spot. Er, I mean I don't like that idea. I thought about something like that once, but the folks here slapped the shit out of me and opened my eyes.
jreifsch80
02-21-2013, 05:47
http://i.imgur.com/NOEZnF5.jpg
and i feel bad for that poor cz75 being lowered to the level of a glock ;)
Great-Kazoo
02-21-2013, 08:34
Why is he still your friend? Tell him we need to license all authors, writers, poets since apparently the constitution right means nothing.
Have him / her read Fahrenheit 451 and Some mid-Late 30's german history. Actually everyone here should read Fahrenheit 451 if you didn't in elementary or jr. HS.
buffalobo
02-21-2013, 09:16
Ok, my friend is pushing his idea and getting some traction. I want to keep my mouth shut, and hear what you think of his plan? My plan has 2 words, one starts with a M and another with a greek A.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/social_issues/jan-june13/newtown_02-18.html
Please tell your "friend" to read and reread 2A and related info/history/analysis until he Fucking understands it.
buckshotbarlow
02-21-2013, 09:19
i haven't talked to the cat in 4 years then that email hit...
Aloha_Shooter
02-21-2013, 10:50
some disagree, free travel and all.
Feel free to disagree but you're wrong. You have the Constitutional right to travel; you do NOT have a Constitutional right to drive. The courts have long held that the State has an inherent interest in ensuring the public roadways are safe and therefore may regulate people's use of those roadways. This includes requiring licensing of both drivers and vehicles, setting speed limits, etc. The right to keep and bear arms is a bit more fundamental than driving.
driving is not a right . it's a privilege. it can be regulated. rights may not.
Scalia has said gun rights can be regulated in Heller. Machine guns have been regulated for years. Even freedom of speech has been regulated.... Hate speech as an example. The all or nothing approach has us where we are. What was trying to be done here was to not register guns which is what we now have. Great win... I think not. July 1st you either register any gun sold or you are a criminal. Now it is a lose lose situation. This was modeled after C&C.
Batts1911
03-23-2013, 10:27
In Massachusetts I had to pay 100 bucks, take a basic safety class for another 80, write a letter to the chief explaining why I wanted to exercise my second amendment right(to own and carry), get two letters of recommendation from friends, then interview with an LEO at the station after printing. I then had to wait 7 months to receive my permit to buy a firearm and carry it concealed. Its up to the Chiefs in this state whether they issue you a permit with no restrictions(LTC-A) or restrictions for hunting/sporting. Some towns automatically issue restrictions on peoples permits simply cause they are applying for the first time. Licencing is bad.
We are a 'right to carry' state not Mass. It is pretty simple to get a C&C here. That being said we are fighting to keep it that way.
The only think I am thinking could be as a possibility would be if you went through getting your ccw and that would allow you to buy class 3 weapons without tax stamp, and not need a background check for buying new firearms. That would be the only way that I would consider anything even close to this.
Your friend is a misinformed jackass and it's compromises like this that will eventually strip us of our 2A rights.
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