Pro-Gun Propaganda

[Justin]

For those of you who aren't on facebook, the following pro-gun graphics are going viral. Download them use them, re-post them, spread them far and wide in defense of the RKBA.

http://demigodllc.com/hickenlooper_magban4.jpg

http://demigodllc.com/candles.jpg

http://demigodllc.com/15_rounds.jpg

[GilpinGuy]

Nice. I'm not a Facebook guy myself, so thanks.

Just blasted to these to dozens of friends via email.

[GlockDog47]

Ya I dont facebook but I am going to email and txt these to my friend and family!

[n8tive97]

Done!

[Ronin13]

I am going to piss some people off today....

[asmo]

The last one is counter-productive.

[blacklabel]

The last one is counter-productive.

Yep, the opposite response will be to the effect of, "Ohh, you'd rather have them endorse a body count of 30?"

[merl]

The last one is counter-productive.

agreed, I see the point trying to be made but it is as likely to get people to push back to 10, or 7, or 1.

[DD977GM2]

Passed this on to a few boards'

[Kraven251]

I am going to piss some people off today....

So it is going to be a good day.

[Ronin13]

So it is going to be a good day.
Any day I piss off a liberal is a good day! [Beer]

[buckshotbarlow]

I am going to piss some people off today....

i don't care anymore...f'em

[Ronin13]

Found some pretty good ones...
http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/inpublic_s.jpg
http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/s_surecure.jpg
http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/s_beready.jpg
http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/s_colors3.jpg

[KestrelBike]

Yep, the opposite response will be to the effect of, "Ohh, you'd rather have them endorse a body count of 30?"

Liberals wouldn't get it to begin with, so fuck their warped substitute for logic. I'm posting it to preach to the choir with brains.

[Justin]

agreed, I see the point trying to be made but it is as likely to get people to push back to 10, or 7, or 1.

Goading the left into advocating for a stricter magazine limitation when they were barely able to get the bill out of the House with a compromise of 15 rounds would absolutely work in our favor.

If that graphic got the leftists to advocate for 10, 7, or 1-round limits, that would be awesome because it would mean they would have to do one of two things:

1.) Completely scrap the current bill and start all over.
2.) Admit that the 15 round magazine limit is just an incremental step to further gun restrictions down the road.

Either way, it's a win for us because the graphic puts them on the defensive and requires them to justify (to their other gun control friends) why the limit was set so high.

Think of it as a graphic that takes into account Saul Alinsky's rules.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals#The_rules

[sniper7]

I'll pass em along

[Zak Smith]

http://demigodllc.com/memefields.jpg

http://demigodllc.com/aaaanditsgone.jpg

http://demigodllc.com/penstoreclosed.jpg

http://demigodllc.com/outlawself.jpg

http://demigodllc.com/wonka.jpg

http://demigodllc.com/interesting1.jpg

http://demigodllc.com/alltheguns.jpg

http://demigodllc.com/urine.jpg

http://demigodllc.com/youdontsay.jpg

http://demigodllc.com/lolimadog.jpg

[blacklabel]

Awesome Zak.

[aheiser]

Good pics guys! Thanks! Plenty of pics to suit both types of acquaintances. The "I know they won't change their ways so I'll just piss them off" and the "they're on the fence so I'll keep hitting them with logical and reasoned arguments"

[Zak Smith]

There are some really hard hitting ones on this page
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1439405_Colorado_needs_your_help_on_upcoming_gun_l egislation__FIREMISSION_HOUSE_HEARING_NOW.html&page=72

[MarkCO]

Goading the left into advocating for a stricter magazine limitation when they were barely able to get the bill out of the House with a compromise of 15 rounds would absolutely work in our favor.

If that graphic got the leftists to advocate for 10, 7, or 1-round limits, that would be awesome because it would mean they would have to do one of two things:

1.) Completely scrap the current bill and start all over.
2.) Admit that the 15 round magazine limit is just an incremental step to further gun restrictions down the road.

Either way, it's a win for us because the graphic puts them on the defensive and requires them to justify (to their other gun control friends) why the limit was set so high.

Think of it as a graphic that takes into account Saul Alinsky's rules.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals#The_rules

Really? Don't take this personal, but that thinking is so flawed! Liberals on the defensive impose more regulations. Appealing to their world view (you actually have to know it, so even getting there is kind of scary) is the only thing that really sways them. It is not a win either way and frankly will hurt the progress made on your behlalf by the people working their butts off to stop the bills.

THEY DO NOT THINK THE WAY WE DO. Either understand it and figure out how to weild beneficial influence, or just write the short letters and emails that state you are oppsed to the bills for their counts.

I've read some of the letters people from "my side" have sent, and folks, some embarassed me. Threatening them solidifies their resolve...really!

[Zak Smith]

Mark,


the progress made on your behlalf by the people working their butts

With due respect, and I mean that sincerely, there are a lot of people "working their butts off."

If the conventional messages were "getting inside their world view" then we would not be losing this so badly.

[MarkCO]

Mark,



With due respect, and I mean that sincerely, there are a lot of people "working their butts off."

If the conventional messages were "getting inside their world view" then we would not be losing this so badly.

And you have done a great job, as have hundreds of others.

Conventional wisdom (messages) does not appeal to the vast majority of liberals, but that is not the only reason the battle is tough. I have no problem with posting the truth on here, and most of the illustrations are true. But to attack them, as they expect, just reinforces their assertion that gun owners are part of the oppressors and they then beleive their job, as protectors of the oppressed, is to resist everything we say. It is circular and illogical, but winning is also about understanding your opponents goals and tactics.

[Zak Smith]

We can argue about it over beers some time. Let's move on.

[MarkCO]

We can argue about it over beers some time. Let's move on.

Agreed. :)

[nynco]

I agree with MarkCO on his way of framing things.

[BREATHER]

I hate Face Book. Just another cunt billionaire that got lucky that can control alot of thought...

[Justin]

You guys need to complain less and spread propaganda more. I don't care if you don't like Facebook.

You know why?

Because everyone else on the planet, including John Hickenlooper and every Colorado State Senator has a Facebook page, and if you aren't posting on there, you're missing out on a digital force-multipier.

Goddamn, you're like a bunch of hens.

The following graphics recently hit my email inbox, and you need to spread them far and wide via email, facebook, twitter, fax, and carrier pigeon.

[merl]

You bitches need to bitch less and spread propaganda more. I don't care if you don't like Facebook.

You know why?

Because everyone else on the planet, including John Hickenlooper and every Colorado State Senator has a Facebook page, and if you aren't posting on there, you're missing out on a digital force-multipier.

Goddamn, you're like a bunch of hens.

The following graphics recently hit my email inbox, and you need to spread them far and wide via email, facebook, twitter, fax, and carrier pigeon.

it's become pretty obvious to me that if I do not use facebook I will not be a part of the process. Now given the choice of people I can vote for my part in the process wont mean a damn thing but it still pisses me off.

It is bullshit that I have to sell myself once again to yet another company to participate in the political process. Considering my voice wont mean a damn thing even if I do say something, I choose to not sell myself to Facebook. I will send direct letters and email.

[Bailey Guns]

John Morse, and the people who believe like he does, doesn't give a rat's ass about my opinion whether I post it on FB or not, bitches.

[J]

Lets get this thread back on track. Personal attacks stop now.

[Bailey Guns]

Conventional wisdom (messages) does not appeal to the vast majority of liberals, but that is not the only reason the battle is tough. I have no problem with posting the truth on here, and most of the illustrations are true. But to attack them, as they expect, just reinforces their assertion that gun owners are part of the oppressors and they then beleive their job, as protectors of the oppressed, is to resist everything we say. It is circular and illogical, but winning is also about understanding your opponents goals and tactics.

I think an important point here is this if you look at it from the "other" perspective:


Conventional wisdom (messages) does not appeal to the vast majority of gun owners, but that is not the only reason the battle is tough. I have no problem with posting the truth on here, and most of the illustrations are true. But to attack them, as they expect, just reinforces their assertion that the pro gun-control people are part of the oppressors and they then believe their job, as protectors of the oppressed, is to resist everything we say. It is circular and illogical, but winning is also about understanding your opponents goals and tactics.

This same thing could just have easily been written by someone on the other side. So, yes...we have to get into their mentality. There are various ways to do it, and many are productive.

For some to say "this is the way it MUST be done in order to get our message out" is ridiculous and arrogant in the extreme. And attacking like-minded people simply because they disagree with a particular method, or choose to participate in some other way, is not only counter-productive, it's a surefire path to defeat.

Some people seem to forget that a lot of folks here have been fighting over the gun-rights issue before they were even born. This isn't some recent cause du jour that liberals just adopted. It just happens that it's an appropriate time for them to bring it back to the forefront.

[Zak Smith]

For some to say "this is the way it MUST be done in order to get our message out" is ridiculous and arrogant in the extreme. And attacking like-minded people simply because they disagree with a particular method, or choose to participate in some other way, is not only counter-productive, it's a surefire path to defeat.

This is a thread about using modern media to help try to prevent the current bills, or some of them, from passing. The first post is a call to action by Justin.

There are three posters who showed up to complain that they don't like facebook, etc. Doing so is irrelevant to the purpose of this thread and counter productive. Just stay out of the thread instead of adding noise.

Showing up to complain about facebook or social media or whatever is the criticism you describe in your quote above.

[Justin]

John Morse, and the people who believe like he does, doesn't give a rat's ass about my opinion whether I post it on FB or not, bitches.

The same could be said about email, phone calls, faxes, in person meetings and official testimony before the House and Senate.

The problem isn't with the form of media, it's with the audience.

Presumably, however, that hasn't stopped you from voicing your opposition to the bills.

The nice thing about venues like Facebook it's that they are instant and have a high degree of visibility among most of the population.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S3 using Tapatalk. Hence all the misspellings and goofy word choices.

[Bailey Guns]

Any other threads in which I don't have your permission to post?

[Bailey Guns]

The same could be said about email, phone calls, faxes, in person meetings and official testimony before the House and Senate.

The problem isn't with the form of media, it's with the audience.

Presumably, however, that hasn't stopped you from voicing your opposition to the bills.

The nice thing about venues like Facebook it's that they are instant and have a high degree of visibility among most of the population.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S3 using Tapatalk. Hence all the misspellings and goofy word choices.

I have no argument with that whatsoever. And I fully understand the ability of some to use venues like FB and Twitter to further the agenda and that's a great thing. But doesn't it make sense that if even some of the staunchest gun-rights supporters dismiss or avoid those venues that some from the other side will, too? This is not a one-size-fits-all proposition.

Don't misunderstand what I'm saying like Zak apparently has. If this works for you and you feel it's effective by all means, use it. But to attack others who feel more comfortable in other methods is not the way to proceed. Not all politicians against us are going to be exposed to differing opinions via only FB and Twitter. They have voicemail, email inboxes, snail-mail boxes and fax machines as well. They should all be in melt-down status from gun-rights supporters.

[MarkCO]

And we have heard repeatedly, from actual legislators, that faxes are counted and the best single chance of constituents getting "counted". Mailed letters and e-mails are the next most effective. The legislators I spoke with hardly ever look at the facebook which is typically managed by a staffer and a general "gist" of what the comments are.

Different paths are beneficial, but they are not all equal.

The message is the most important thing for them to hear and it is clear some are good at delivering the message, some at stirring the pot and some are destructive, even if they have good intentions.

[Zak Smith]

The targets of propaganda are generally the people from whom the opposition gets power. So it doesn't necessarily matter if a senator reads it. If something goes viral and gets 100,000 views it's going to have a political influence.

The first waves of reaction to HB 1224-1229 were conventional lobbying with our best arguments and appeals to the politician's interests, via protests, letters, faxes, email, telephone, face to face meetings, and testimony. Justin and I have both been involved in most of those aspects.

The effort to spread propaganda via "new media" is not instead of those methods; it is in addition to.

The left has a very effective propaganda machine using all sorts of media, different kinds of messages, etc. We don't.

You won't find Justin or me criticizing the productive efforts of anyone in this fight because we need a full court press of every possible capability and facility.

[Justin]

Mark please don't misread my posts for advocacy via other means as an attack on your commendable face to face efforts.

I appreciate your willingness to go to Denver and speak on behalf of those of us who are chained in our cubes.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S3 using Tapatalk. Hence all the misspellings and goofy word choices.

[MarkCO]

Mark please don't misread my posts for advocacy via other means as an attack on your commendable face to face efforts.

I appreciate your willingness to go to Denver and speak on behalf of those of us who are chained in our cubes.

Didn't, no worries. Just another bump to get people to get involved. I have met a lot of people who have never been politically involved, and are now...GOOD!

[Bailey Guns]

You won't find <snip> me criticizing the productive efforts of anyone in this fight because we need a full court press of every possible capability and facility.

I beg to differ. Read some of your posts in this thread. And maybe try to recall the one that was removed.

But, if we can (virtually) shake hands and forge ahead I'm good with that.

[Zak Smith]

My criticism was not at your productive efforts to oppose gun bills.

I called you out for dumping on the efforts mobilized/emphasized in this thread and general lamentation about facebook and new media, which is not helpful.

[TheBelly]

If its possible that they pay attention to certain forms of communication, suppose we could organize ourselves into groups willing to do so.

this is the 'send a fax' group

this is the 'visit their offices and talk to legislators' group

this is the 'make phone calls' group

[Bailey Guns]

But, if we can (virtually) shake hands and forge ahead I'm good with that.


My criticism was not at your productive efforts to oppose gun bills.

I called you out for dumping on the efforts mobilized/emphasized in this thread and general lamentation about facebook and new media, which is not helpful.

Or not. Doesn't matter to me either way.