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I was at a Townhall meeting with Sen. Vicki Marble tonight in Broomfield. She said the Senate Republicans will attempt to filibuster the current gun bills when they are out of committee. Also, the Senate Dems are planning on introducing gun control bills of their own. She did not elaborate on what they are or when we will see them.
Mike
Anyone who thinks they have ANY intention of stopping after banning semiautos is sadly mistaken. Handguns, pump shotguns, and .50 cal are next on the list. Then ammo. Then pocketknives. Then they can finally ban alcohol and cigarettes.
GlockDog47
02-23-2013, 07:15
Anyone who thinks they have ANY intention of stopping after banning semiautos is sadly mistaken. Handguns, pump shotguns, and .50 cal are next on the list. Then ammo. Then pocketknives. Then they can finally ban alcohol and cigarettes.
Damn right brother! Then it will go to other freedom's.
nikolatesla19
02-23-2013, 07:52
Anyone who thinks they have ANY intention of stopping after banning semiautos is sadly mistaken. Handguns, pump shotguns, and .50 cal are next on the list. Then ammo. Then pocketknives. Then they can finally ban alcohol and cigarettes.
But go ahead and smoke a joint.....
Madeinhb
02-23-2013, 08:18
http://gunssavelives.net/blog/colorado-governor-isnt-sold-on-magazine-capacity-limit-after-huge-public-fallout/
Shootersfab
02-23-2013, 08:23
But go ahead and smoke a joint.....
^^^^this!
Why are they so worried about guns? Did they already pass gay marriage?
Why are they so worried about guns? Did they already pass gay marriage?
Because they have emotional momentum, and a controlling majority.
This article was posted on Channel 7's web site. I also saw a commercial yesterday supporting the gun laws they want to pass.
Local and federal law enforcement struggle to keep guns out of convicted felons' hands
Felons are able to get guns easily, police say
DENVER - In a flash, in two separate shootings, gunmen took the lives of Mike Thomas and Roger Harris. The victims -- one a respected Aurora detective, the other a man struggling on the streets -- led very different lives, but share a common thread: Both were gunned down by men who had prior felonies and had illegally obtained firearms.
Watch for more on this story Thursday night at 10 p.m.
Though it is against the law for felons to possess guns, a CALL7 Investigation found that people with serious criminal records can easily obtain them, posing a challenge for law-enforcement agencies working to protect communities from violence.
"Mike Thomas' death was absolutely one of the worst things that ever happened in the history of our department," said Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates. "And we still grieve. All these years later, we are suffering that loss, and the notion that it might have been preventable is just deeply, deeply troubling."
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, or ATF, can trace gun purchases and possessions for individual shooting investigations, but is prohibited by federal law from retaining the traces and aggregating the data. So, ATF told the CALL7 Investigators it could not provide detailed information on how felons obtained guns used in violent crimes.
The CALL7 Investigators dug into a handful of gun cases, including the murders of Thomas and Harris, finding that felons often obtain guns through home thefts, purchases from straw buyers, crime rings and unregulated sales.
Thomas was in his car, in plain clothes, when he was shot by Brian Allen Washington. Prior to the shooting, the last known location of the gun was a private owner's collection in Idaho in 1993 or 1994, according to ATF trace documents CALL7 Investigators found in court files. Where the Egyptian-made Helwan 9mm handgun was between that time and the 2006 shooting is unclear.
The owner never reported the gun as stolen, a common theme in many felony cases, authorities said.
The gun owner in Idaho "speculated that a relative had stolen it from him -- his collection -- and he simply didn't know about it," Oates told CALL7 Investigator John Ferrugia. "There was nothing we could do about it."
In the case of Roger Harris, authorities say an Italian-made Beretta PX4 Storm pistol was used in his murder. The gun, originally purchased legally from a Denver-area dealer, was reported stolen and wound up in the hands of Kervin Rogers.
Rogers already had a lengthy prior felony record that included making threats with a gun and possessing a gun as a felon. Rogers is now in state prison for gunning Harris to death in a parking lot behind a restaurant on Colfax Avenue in Aurora.
Rogers was also convicted of shooting to death two others in a series of alleyway murders. Investigators said the victims had failed to pay Rogers sums of drug money as small as $50.
Harris' mother, Operareader Harris, said her son struggled with drugs, but didn't deserve to be gunned down.
“They must have been arguing and Roger walked away,” she said in tears. “That’s when the guy started shooting. But so many times… They kept emptying that gun on my son. So many times.”
Roger Harris had a record of run-ins with the police, a record that stemmed from seeking drugs on the streets of Aurora.
“The fact that you might be a drug user doesn't mean you deserve to get shot four times and killed by a felon with a weapon who shouldn't have it,” Chief Oates said.
Among other cases identified by CALL7 Investigators:
Jerod Reeves, with a prior record of kidnapping, sawed the frozen fingers off the body of a suicide victim in a van on the side of the road in Grand County and then sold the gun to another felon, according to authorities.
Robert S. Whittall, arrested in 2011, had convictions for kidnapping, assault and burglary in Arizona as well as a felony conviction in Arapahoe County, Colo., for possession of drugs, according to an ATF arrest affidavit. Whittall was arrested after the ATF “received information” that a prior felon in possession of a firearm was staying at a hotel near 88th Avenue and Interstate 25, according to the documents.
Jeffrey Scott Willcoxon, authorities said, had a prior record of weapon possession by a prior felon, drug possession, burglary and escape and was paying juveniles to steal guns from houses. He was arrested after he sold a Sten MK III machine gun to an undercover ATF agent.
The CALL7 Investigators found that in the past three years, there have been more than 1,000 convictions by state courts in Colorado of felons possessing firearms. And in the last year in federal district court, where tougher sentences are imposed, there have been more than 100 convictions.
However, law-enforcement officials admit the sheer number of guns in the hands of felons is unknown. They also say they lack resources to stop their flow, leaving the public vulnerable.
In an effort to turn the tide, local jurisdictions like Aurora, Denver, and Lakewood have teamed up with the U.S. Attorney for the District of Colorado and the ATF to focus enforcement and prosecution on felons believed to be violent. Walsh said such a focused effort in Aurora in 2011 was successful in reducing crimes.
"In the end it was about 85 convictions that came out of that operation and there is no question that those -- that action -- had the effect of interrupting gang activity and making those communities safer," Walsh said.
Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates agrees, saying he saw a significant effect in Aurora. Oates expressed frustration, however, that federal funds aren't available to keep the pressure on full time.
“ATF does a great job, but there are not enough ATF agents,” Oates said. “The U.S. Attorney’s Office, when they make these cases, they do a great job, but they have all kinds of other demands on their resources.”
As a result, Oates has brought his request for additional resources directly to Washington, where he recently met with President Barack Obama, the U.S. Attorney General, police chiefs and sheriffs from around the country.
“When I had the meeting with the president a couple of weeks ago in the White House, I said that the No. 1 thing we can do is enforce existing federal gun law around possession by felons on the street,” Oates said.
BPTactical
02-23-2013, 10:08
Anyone who thinks they have ANY intention of stopping after banning semiautos is sadly mistaken. Handguns, pump shotguns, and .50 cal are next on the list. Then ammo. Then pocketknives. Then they can finally ban alcohol and cigarettes.
Yup, incrementalism.
Kraven251
02-23-2013, 10:15
I hope for all of our sakes, they knock this shit off, and stop the escalation before they cross a line that can't be uncrossed without a whole lot of bad.
Figure out your own line in the sand.
Look, this is the big push for them, on all fronts. They introduce bills everywhere on everything, and some of them will stick.
Make no mistake: They know they have till 2014 to drag this country as far to the left as they can go, and to consolidate control -- and if they piss people off or lose supporters along the way, it's collateral damage.
Sadly, I don't think the Republican politicians have the stomach or heart for bare-knuckle politics, and that's what this is.
Everyone was worried about national legislation while they flanked us on the state level. I can't believe what's happening to CO. Even with my already low views of CA, NJ, NY politicians, they have even pushed further than I thought they would. Something needs to stop all this crap, hopefully much of it gets brought before the Supreme Court soon. Sadly I'm not as confident they'll rule in favor of the constitution like they did in Heller after the whole Obamacare fiasco...
Local and federal law enforcement struggle to keep guns out of convicted felons' hands
Felons are able to get guns easily, police say
I realize this will be an unpopular opinion, but I would prefer seeing the ban on felons who have completed their entire sentence, including probation/parole reversed, rather than seeing the rights of all other law abiding citizens abridged because a felon "might" be able to use a "loophole" to obtain an unregistered gun without a background check.
Why do I think this? Well, please consider that many states automatically restore the rights of convicted felons after their sentence is over, or within 10 years. Most other states automatically approve pardons of felons who write to the governor after their sentence has been completed. No other nation has chosen to create a permanent underclass of felons other than the United States . . . do your time, pay the price, and rejoin society as a reformed citizen. So . . . someone sells drugs or steals a stereo in their late teens, serves a year in jail and a few years of probation, and their rights are fully restored . . . but if they were instead to drive through NY with an unlicensed handgun packed in a suitcase in their trunk, or own a box of hollowpoint ammo in NJ or IL without the proper paperwork, their rights are likely gone FOREVER over NOTHING because those states generally do not restore the right to own firearms, even if a pardon is granted. Curiously, NY specifically exempts white collar financial felons from being stripped of their firearm rights?
I think if you've paid your debt to society and are not under any sort of court mandated supervision, you should not be subject to double-jeopardy for a minor non-violent offense that happened in your teenage years when you are currently a 50 year old man with a family and job who has not been in any trouble since. This concerns me because over the past 20 years I've seen many minor offenses elevated to felony status, and a felony in one state counts in all 50, and that status is often non-expiring and non-reversible.
The whole "felons with firearms" bugaboo doesn't usually apply to active criminals selling drugs and doing drivebys . . . gangs have access to any guns they want and don't need to buy them from private parties or straw purchasers . . . most of the "felon in possession" prosecutions seem to be for very old offenses and the firearm in question is often a common hunting rifle in their own home. If someone commits a crime with a gun, or if they have a gun in their possession while committing a crime, then throw them in prison forever and throw away the key.
I agree with Clint. If you did your time, then I think it is wrong to punish a person for their whole life. We have to forgive more than punish forever. This is creating a class of Americans who are branded for life on some really stupid laws that are just plan stupid.
So far NO mention of assault sling shots with hig cap surgical rubbers.
sabot_round
02-23-2013, 22:21
I agree with Clint. If you did your time, then I think it is wrong to punish a person for their whole life. We have to forgive more than punish forever. This is creating a class of Americans who are branded for life on some really stupid laws that are just plan stupid.
Will you please explain to me why FELONS should be allowed to have weapons? Rapist, Sex offenders, etc. I'm having a hard time understanding your theory. Must criminals relapse to commit the same crimes. We need to enforce the laws that we have rather than make new ones!!
scratchy
02-23-2013, 22:26
In my opinion, the line has already been crossed. Soap box failed, Ballot box failed. Jury box is next. With good fortune, we reset to soap box.
KestrelBike
02-23-2013, 22:55
My benchmark is 2016. Another liberal POTUS and its all over.
ETA 2014 elections are probably the earliest indication of when its all lost.
BPTactical
02-23-2013, 23:01
Nah, hold their feet to the fire now. Confront your representatives respectfully. Hold them accountable.
We need to slam the door before they all get through it.
Great-Kazoo
02-23-2013, 23:03
Nah, hold their feet to the fire now. Confront your representatives respectfully. Hold them accountable.
We need to slam the door before they all get through it.
I'd like to hold more than their feet to the fire, hypothetically speaking of course.
Will you please explain to me why FELONS should be allowed to have weapons? Rapist, Sex offenders, etc. I'm having a hard time understanding your theory. Must criminals relapse to commit the same crimes. We need to enforce the laws that we have rather than make new ones!!
In many states, rape is one of the highest felonies and offenders who are released from custody are under lifetime court supervision . . . and even if they are in a state that limits parole and mandated counseling to 10 years after release, the sex offender registry would still count in the NCIC database.
Other lesser felonies include: possession of hollowpoint ammunition, possession of a single marijuana joint, having a digital camera running during a traffic stop.
Great-Kazoo
02-24-2013, 00:22
In many states, rape is one of the highest felonies and offenders who are released from custody are under lifetime court supervision . . . and even if they are in a state that limits parole and mandated counseling to 10 years after release, the sex offender registry would still count in the NCIC database.
Other lesser felonies include: possession of hollowpoint ammunition, possession of a single marijuana joint, having a digital camera running during a traffic stop.
Your post should clarify for Non-Violent Felons.
Getting tagged as a sexual offender because you're taking a piss @ 3am behind your car, does not warrant the baggage that comes with it.
Gang raping a 10yr old downs syndrome kid. I can reload cheaper than an appeal will cost the state AND not loose sleep over it.
Some states consider it a felony for bringing the wrong plant into the state...and I am not refering to any sort of drug plant. Even the wrong cactus can count. That should not be grounds to lose your firearm rights.
USAFGopherMike
02-24-2013, 02:33
Old west come back? Tar and feathering? Lynch mobs? When will they get the message?
Your post should clarify for Non-Violent Felons.
Getting tagged as a sexual offender because you're taking a piss @ 3am behind your car, does not warrant the baggage that comes with it.
I have heard a few horror stories about guys taking a piss next to a dumpster in an alley behind a pub getting charged with "exposure" or "lewdness" and then being entered into the registry for that. It seems hard to believe that any prosecutor or judge would punish anyone in that way for such a thing. The registry was never intended for people caught pissing behind a pub at 0200. That shouldn't even BE a crime unless it was in the afternoon on Main Street in front of people.
When people are put on the registry for pissing behind a dumpster, you know what that does? It gives sex offenders an "excuse" for being on the registry when they try to get a job or housing. They can say, "Oh, not me . . . I was only pissing behind a dumpster and didn't do anything else" . . . and sometimes they are given the benefit of a doubt. That is bullshit. No-one should ever be put on that registry for taking a leak in an alley away from other people. Misusing the registry weakens it.
Old west come back? Tar and feathering? Lynch mobs? When will they get the message?
When they live in fear of us and not the other way around.
Great-Kazoo
02-24-2013, 08:26
I have heard a few horror stories about guys taking a piss next to a dumpster in an alley behind a pub getting charged with "exposure" or "lewdness" and then being entered into the registry for that. It seems hard to believe that any prosecutor or judge would punish anyone in that way for such a thing. The registry was never intended for people caught pissing behind a pub at 0200. That shouldn't even BE a crime unless it was in the afternoon on Main Street in front of people.
When people are put on the registry for pissing behind a dumpster, you know what that does? It gives sex offenders an "excuse" for being on the registry when they try to get a job or housing. They can say, "Oh, not me . . . I was only pissing behind a dumpster and didn't do anything else" . . . and sometimes they are given the benefit of a doubt. That is bullshit. No-one should ever be put on that registry for taking a leak in an alley away from other people. Misusing the registry weakens it.
This is what happened with the RICO act. First 1%ers then St. Albans charity gambling night.
One of my former co-workers did get tagged for public urination. Luckily the ticket writing LE understood the situation and knew it wasn't some guy jerking off outside the sorority house. Which then morphs in to what is happening in the public schools regarding ZERO TOLERANCE.
Separate the violent from NON-Violent felons and things could be simpler.
I don't think felons should be restricted from owning guns, voting, or any other constitutional rights after they've completed their sentence and probation. There's a broad range of felonies that you or I would scoff at even being a crime. If the person in question is so dangerous to society that they'd be a major threat if they owned a gun, then they should be in prison. End of story.
HBARleatherneck
02-24-2013, 08:32
if you have served your time and are released from prison your rights should be restored. If you are too violent to have a gun, you are too violent to be released from prison.
thanks for stealing my thunder Dingo, just because you type faster.
Fine, I will add, when they get out of prison, we should still give them a suit and a rifle.
Separate the violent from NON-Violent felons and things could be simpler.
Personally, I think burglary of a residence or distributing meth should be punished in a similar manner to violent felonies . . . after they do their time, keep them on court mandated supervision indefinitely until they have proven themselves to be "rehabilitated" beyond a reasonable doubt. No-one under court supervision should be allowed to own a gun, ammo, or any sort of weapon. Once you are done with the system, however, all rights need to be restored.
Kraven251
02-24-2013, 13:41
Personally, I think burglary of a residence or distributing meth should be punished in a similar manner to violent felonies . . . after they do their time, keep them on court mandated supervision indefinitely until they have proven themselves to be "rehabilitated" beyond a reasonable doubt. No-one under court supervision should be allowed to own a gun, ammo, or any sort of weapon. Once you are done with the system, however, all rights need to be restored.
Distributing meth should end with brain matter on the lawn, after due process of course.
I would otherwise agree, except our prisons have turned into such a bunch of revolving door bullshit. I do think people should get their rights back after a time, but how to determine how that plays out is above my pay grade.
flan7211
02-24-2013, 14:08
I don't think felons should be restricted from owning guns, voting, or any other constitutional rights after they've completed their sentence and probation. There's a broad range of felonies that you or I would scoff at even being a crime. If the person in question is so dangerous to society that they'd be a major threat if they owned a gun, then they should be in prison. End of story.
I agree. If you have paid your time you should reenter the social contract. If not they should stay in prison or die.
I agree. If you have paid your time you should reenter the social contract. If not they should stay in prison or die.
The problem is twofold: First, it costs too damn much to incarcerate inmates for long sentences, especially with overcrowding for petty drug offenses. Second, our government lacks the fortitude to follow through with a hundred thousand executions per year. I agree that armed robbers and rapists proven to be guilty need an immediate bullet in the head, no appeal.
Great-Kazoo
02-24-2013, 16:09
The problem is twofold: First, it costs too damn much to incarcerate inmates for long sentences, especially with overcrowding for petty drug offenses. Second, our government lacks the fortitude to follow through with a hundred thousand executions per year. I agree that armed robbers and rapists proven to be guilty need an immediate bullet in the head, no appeal.
Add to that the revolving door policy in place now. A felon picked up in possession of a weapon is back on the street (NYC specifically) within 24 hrs.
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