Morse, Fields, introduce Colorado Assault Weapon Responsibility Act

[Birddog1911]

Those two are at it again. I told you Morse was a gun grabbing POS.

http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2013a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont3/28EB8FECB7D3F79387257B03007B8F72?Open&file=196_01.pdf

[TheGrey]

If I scoff any harder, I'm going to have to wipe off my computer screen.

[merl]

and it too will pass on party line votes. I'm beyond sick of this already and we have months (possibly years) to go.

[Great-Kazoo]

VPC, MAIG Play Book

[sneakerd]

Soooo- ANY semi-automatic rifle is an "assault weapon" according to this. Bastards.

[clublights]

So reading it ..

ANY Semi Auto Rifle is now an " assault weapon"

Has provisions that violate federal law ( allowing folks to sue manufacturers )

Basically seems to say if you loan or sell any semi auto rifle and someone does " bad things" with it your liable .

you have got to be kidding me .


I'm not sure this one will get far... but then again the dems are retarded enough to try .

[clublights]

Oh also your liable if they steal your semi auto rifles if you didn't take " reasonable measures" but does not define what those are.

[The Rat]

I'm reading through this and the legalese is hard on my brain. I don't see any prohibitions on ownership/transfer; seems like it's all oriented towards this liability bullshit. Confirm/deny?

[motohooligan]

Sweet, the Ruger 10/22 is now an "assault weapon."

[clublights]

I'm reading through this and the legalese is hard on my brain. I don't see any prohibitions on ownership/transfer; seems like it's all oriented towards this liability bullshit. Confirm/deny?

Yup that and what it defines as an " assault weapon" which is ANY semi auto rifle.

so your 10/22 is now an assault weapon . ( if this passed as written)

[Birddog1911]

My letter that I just shot off to Morse.

Senator Morse,

In a previous email, you attempted to outright lie to me, stating "These bills are not designed to take guns away from law abiding citizens, but rather to better keep guns out of the hands of dangerous individuals". I did not buy what you were trying to sell, as you yourself told me that you didn't believe that law abiding citizens should own "assault weapons".

And now, you are the SPONSOR of this horrendous piece of legislation, the "Assualt Weapon Responsibility Act". That piece of legislation is nothing more than an unconstitutional piece of fodder. I warned you, that if you continued this way, that I would be working towards recalling you. Now, there is no point in waiting. I will be taking every legal action I can to make sure that you are recalled, and if that should fail, that you will never hold a public office again. You have clearly shown that you do nothing for your constituents, and worship at the alter of the Democratic National Committee. You will reap what you've sown, Senator.

[merl]

your M1 Garand is an assault weapon, enjoy.

[The Rat]

Supposing this passes, how does it affect us as individual owners? I mean, if you fire any kind of weapon in an unlawful kind of manner, there's already covering that, right?

[Rucker61]

According to the language, both my semiauto shotgun and my over/under are assault weapons, as neither are loaded by pump action.

[Zundfolge]

This is either the gross over-reach that will finally destroy the Dems in Denver ... or this is the end of Colorado as a viable place for a freedom loving person to live.

[Great-Kazoo]

Sweet, the Ruger 10/22 is now an "assault weapon."

It's been an AW since 9/94. Once you slap in a 11 or more round mag, replace the wood with a folder, flash hider, BAYONET LUG. etc.

[clublights]

According to the language, both my semiauto shotgun and my over/under are assault weapons, as neither are loaded by pump action.


Holy crap your right .... I skimmed over the shotgun definition before assuming they got it right

So now according to this bill ANY semi auto rifle and ANY non pump action shotgun are now assault weapons.

[Justin]

Supposing this passes, how does it affect us as individual owners? I mean, if you fire any kind of weapon in an unlawful kind of manner, there's already covering that, right?

Nothing directly, unless one of your guns is misused.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if some gun companies decide that the liability risk is to high and stop selling guns in Colorado.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S3 using Tapatalk. Hence all the misspellings and goofy word choices.

[battle_sight_zero]

Morse is done in 2014 due to term limitations. However rumor has him setting up residence in Denver to start a new. Waiting for Obama to come down and appoint him to something.



My letter that I just shot off to Morse.

Senator Morse,

In a previous email, you attempted to outright lie to me, stating "These bills are not designed to take guns away from law abiding citizens, but rather to better keep guns out of the hands of dangerous individuals". I did not buy what you were trying to sell, as you yourself told me that you didn't believe that law abiding citizens should own "assault weapons".

And now, you are the SPONSOR of this horrendous piece of legislation, the "Assualt Weapon Responsibility Act". That piece of legislation is nothing more than an unconstitutional piece of fodder. I warned you, that if you continued this way, that I would be working towards recalling you. Now, there is no point in waiting. I will be taking every legal action I can to make sure that you are recalled, and if that should fail, that you will never hold a public office again. You have clearly shown that you do nothing for your constituents, and worship at the alter of the Democratic National Committee. You will reap what you've sown, Senator.

[n8tive97]

(b) MILITARY-STYLE ASSAULT WEAPONS ARE A COMMON THREAD
8 LINKING THE RECENT MASS SHOOTINGS IN NEWTOWN, OAK CREEK,
9 AURORA, COLUMBINE, AND OTHERS;

Columbine? I thought they just used pistols?

[Jamnanc]

What I can't stand is the "link" between the shootings is the rifle, not the medications they were all on. People need to wake up and that starts with how we raise our kids.

[newracer]

Under this bill here in an assault weapon I own.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/browning_BAR.jpg

[newracer]

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20130226/NEWS01/130229716/Assault-weapons-bill-targets-liability


“The reality is, these folks don’t have a Second Amendment right to buy these guns. I’m not going there in this bill. I’m granting them the right, if you will, as long as they take 100 percent of the responsibility, both to sell it, to buy it, to possess it, to shoot it, the whole kit and kaboodle,” Morse said.

[newracer]

and this one too

http://www.tfsa.co.uk/Franchi%2012g.JPG

[clublights]

ARgh one last try to get this right today ...... sheesh


feel free to use

22643

[lowbeyond]

Its just more lies written into the law by human filth

Fuck this shit

p7

(2) A PERSON WHO SELLS OR TRANSFERS AN ASSAULT WEAPON IS
DEEMED TO BE AWARE


(a) THAT ASSAULT WEAPONS ARE SOUGHT AFTER BY AND ARE
USEFUL FOR CRIMINALS, MASS KILLERS, AND THOSE WITH CRIMINAL
INTENT BUT ARE RARELY NECESSARY FOR LAWFUL PURPOSES ;AND

(b) OF THE EXTREME LIKELIHOOD THAT AN ASSAULT WEAPON
THAT IS SOLD OR TRANSFERRED WILL BE USED IN A CRIME OR WILL RESULT
IN SERIOUS INJURY OR DEATH.

p4 - joe bidens double barreled shotgun is now an assault weapon

SHOTGUN
MEANS A FIREARM WITH ONE OR MORE BARRELS
THAT IS:

(a) DESIGNED OR REDESIGNED,MADE OR REMADE,
OR INTENDED TO BE FIRED FROM THE SHOULDER;

(b) DESIGNED OR REDESIGNED,MADE OR REMADE,AND INTENDED
TO USE THE ENERGY OF THE EXPLOSION IN A FIXED SHOTGUN SHELL TO
FIRE THROUGH A SMOOTH BORE EITHER A NUMBER OF BALL SHOT OR A
SINGLE PROJECTILE FOR EACH PULL OF THE TRIGGER AND

(c) LOADED MANUALLY BY PUMP ACTION

[Sawin]

Lever actions are assault weapons too? They said "Bolt action" was the only exemption right? So my 30-30 i got for my 16th birthday and shot my first white tail with, is now (tentatively) an assault weapon?

[clublights]

Lever actions are assault weapons too? They said "Bolt action" was the only exemption right? So my 30-30 i got for my 16th birthday and shot my first white tail with, is now (tentatively) an assault weapon?


no no it includes lever action as bolt action


(2) "BOLT-ACTION RIFLE" MEANS A FIREARM THAT IS:
(a) DESIGNED OR REDESIGNED, MADE OR REMADE, OR INTENDEDTO BE FIRED FROM THE SHOULDER;
(b) DESIGNED OR REDESIGNED, MADE OR REMADE,AND INTENDED TO USE THE ENERGY OF THE EXPLOSION IN A FIXED METALLIC CARTRIDGETO FIRE ONLY A SINGLE PROJECTILE THROUGH A RIFLE BORE FOR EACH PULL OF THE TRIGGER; AND
(c) LOADED BY A MANUALLY OPERATED BOLT, PUMP, LEVER, ORSLIDE ACTION.

[lowbeyond]

as you all know, all AR-15s are designed to be fired from the Hip, so they are not covered in this bill ! [ROFL1]

[clublights]

as you all know, all AR-15s are designed to be fired from the Hip, so they are not covered in this bill ! [ROFL1]

Now thats just funny right there .

[lowbeyond]

hey it defines pistols as having a barrel length of less then 12 inches, so a sbr is not covered ?

the definition of bolt action rifle does not seem to include muzzle loaders aka muskets as they are not " LOADED BY A MANUALLY OPERATED BOLT, PUMP, LEVER, OR SLIDE ACTION."

so they are assault weapons too lol

[Sawin]

as you all know, all AR-15s are designed to be fired from the Hip, so they are not covered in this bill ! [ROFL1]

Sweet loophole you've found there :)

[DavieD55]

This guy is the Chuck Schumer of Colorado.

[hatidua]

Those who have ill will toward the masses owning firearms are never going to stop. Every single type of firearm will eventually be the target of legislation to ban it. It may not happen this year, or next, but eventually they want them ALL gone.

[clublights]

hey it defines pistols as having a barrel length of less then 12 inches, so a sbr is not covered ?

the definition of bolt action rifle does not seem to include muzzle loaders aka muskets as they are not " LOADED BY A MANUALLY OPERATED BOLT, PUMP, LEVER, OR SLIDE ACTION."

so they are assault weapons too lol


Good point LOL

There should be a rule that if you write a law this retarded you are no longer allowed to write them .

[Jesus-With-A-.45]

Those who have ill will toward the masses owning firearms are never going to stop. Every single type of firearm will eventually be the target of legislation to ban it. It may not happen this year, or next, but eventually they want them ALL gone.

It's my opinion that many, many, many people will die before this happens. Not making a threat, just reality as I see it.

[BPTactical]

And the hits just keep coming...........

Wow, envision this: you conduct a private sale with a mandated BGC. Buyer goes and lights up whatever causing fear, mayhem and damage.
The seller can be held liable?


Is there a means where a public official can be arrested for willfully violating their oath of office?

[lowbeyond]

oh and i do love the fact that Morse thinks he can grant us rights.

that right there should be cause for him being in an elevated position in close proximity to an artificial illuminating device

[Singlestack]

We are in an extended period of Libturdness - they are determined to push their s**t any way they possibly can. While I don't believe this has any realistic chance to become law,m it must be fought at every turn.

[Rooskibar03]

What time does the revolution start?

[DeusExMachina]

Is this really another law making an illegal act illegal?

At worst, it puts liability on someone defending themselves with a semi-auto.

Another step in defining every semi-auto as a mythical "assault weapon".

[ChunkyMonkey]

Is this really another law making an illegal act illegal?

At worst, it puts liability on someone defending themselves with a semi-auto.

Another step in defining every semi-auto as a mythical "assault weapon".

These 3 sentences sum it all

[mountainjenny]

I'm going to stop at this section for now. Otherwise my head might literally explode!


(2) A PERSON WHO SELLS OR TRANSFERS AN ASSAULT WEAPON IS
20 DEEMED TO BE AWARE:
21 (a) THAT ASSAULT WEAPONS ARE SOUGHT AFTER BY AND ARE
22 USEFUL FOR CRIMINALS, MASS KILLERS, AND THOSE WITH CRIMINAL
23 INTENT BUT ARE RARELY NECESSARY FOR LAWFUL PURPOSES; AND
24 (b) OF THE EXTREME LIKELIHOOD THAT AN ASSAULT WEAPON
25 THAT IS SOLD OR TRANSFERRED WILL BE USED IN A CRIME OR WILL RESULT
26 IN SERIOUS INJURY OR DEATH

[Fmedges]

Can we agree that the letters approach isn't working.

[merl]

*deleted as non constructive*

[DavieD55]

What I can't stand is the "link" between the shootings is the rifle, not the medications they were all on. People need to wake up and that starts with how we raise our kids.

Sooner or later you have to come to the realization that this is not about looking for a real solution but rather an attempt by a gun grabbing maniac to harass and bring about more authoritarian measure over honest people. John Morse has a personal vendetta against gun owners as well as an agenda and his legislation proves that beyond a reasonable doubt. He is not interested in finding a real solution because that would take away his ability to feed off of the tragic events such as the Aurora theatre. His aganda is clear and cut out, John Morse has never been and never will be a friend of honest gun owners, his record shows us that.

[Fmedges]

so would an AWB from the Colorado legislature use this same definition of assault rifles?

[clublights]

Morse was a Eagle Scout and a cop and is still this stupid ???

Makes me ashamed to be an Eagle Scout....

[vossman]

It would be broadened as they did in this bill.


so would an AWB from the Colorado legislature use this same definition of assault rifles?

[MarkCO]

Add an amendment...the heirs of any person killed who would have wanted a standard capacity magazine get all of Morse's and Field's stuff, pension, etc. Yeah, that makes sense.

Catch the "explosion" in there too. Bunch of idiots!!!

[clublights]

so would an AWB from the Colorado legislature use this same definition of assault rifles?

I think that s the point ....

Broaden the Def..... make it seem ok .. then ban em .

[robertcolorado2009]

A person is not supposed to use any weapon available to defend his or his families lives if it's an "assault weapon" because we have to think about liabilities due to damages from said weapon? They would rather we be helpless and not use it. JUst let ourselves be killed, robbed raped because we shouldn't use our weapons. I am so pissed, I can't think straight, write,type I am almost shaking with anger. Plus their description of a type criminal is someone who thinks of themself as a "mass murderer". "Hi, my name is Yadda-yadda and my line of work is mass murder, yup, I'am going to grow up to be a mass murderer". Mass murderers don't know when they are a mass murderer. This is such a mess. As someone said they are making illegal acts illegal. Those criminals are going to really be careful now.

[Fmedges]

So how long is everybody going to continually take this? How many more letters are going to change this? how many peaceful rallies will change this? I'm not wanting to throw away my future either, but seriously things need to ramp up a little more. It will take all of us as a whole.

[hollohas]

And the hits just keep coming...........

Wow, envision this: you conduct a private sale with a mandated BGC. Buyer goes and lights up whatever causing fear, mayhem and damage.
The seller can be held liable?


^ This. Their goal is to make everyone too darn scared to sell, buy, use or simply keep a gun because they are open to liability. That way, the number of gun owners will be reduced and they can say they didn't "ban" anything.

- Make you pay a fee to exercise your 2A right. The only right we have to pay a fee for.
- Use that fee for a BGC to make sure a criminal doesn't buy your gun.
- If the buyer turns into a criminal AFTER the BGC you paid for clears, then you are still liable for their crimes.

Hell, if you don't even sell a gun but a criminal steals it from you...you are to blame for their crimes.

We still don't know how the mag ban will be enforced. But I would bet money that if/when it passes someone, somewhere will be arrested for possession of a "post-ban" mag simply because it didn't have a date stamp. When that happens, many will be afraid to even use their pre-ban mags.

They are doing everything they can to scare us away from our guns or make it too expensive to own gun instead of taking them from us.

[jslo]

You guys are making way to much of this liability stuff. It says right in there, if you turn them in to authorities you no longer are liable.:rolleyes:

[Sawin]

So how long is everybody going to continually take this? How many more letters are going to change this? how many peaceful rallies will change this? I'm not wanting to throw away my future either, but seriously things need to ramp up a little more. It will take all of us as a whole.

I think what we need is a large contingent of military and law enforcement members to step forward and say stop it. They need to say something like "we support our families and friends and will not let you destroy theirs and our freedoms. We took an oath to protect these freedoms guaranteed by our constitution, that you seem determined to trample, and that includes domestic threats... officials be warned."

[vossman]

True. Sad, but true


and it too will pass on party line votes. I'm beyond sick of this already and we have months (possibly years) to go.

[clublights]

You guys are making way to much of this liability stuff. It says right in there, if you turn them in to authorities you no longer are liable.:rolleyes:


but the " authorities" can charge you a fee for it too ...

[hatidua]

How many more letters are going to change this?

With the current political make-up of Colorado, I'm beginning to think I've wasted a whole lot of time and money in the past two months trying to prevent any of these bills from becoming law. They will ALL pass, unimpeded.

We are in a situation not so unlike CA: the folks on Calguns keep deluding themselves into thinking they are on the verge of overturning all their draconian laws. If the Democrats remain the majority of the CO legislature, they will do as they please regardless of how many letters we write, how much money we donate to NRA/ILA, or how many 2A organizations we join. -and they know it.

[merl]

With the current political make-up of Colorado, I'm beginning to think I've wasted a whole lot of time and money in the past two months trying to prevent any of these bills from becoming law. They will ALL pass, unimpeded.

We are in a situation not so unlike CA: the folks on Calguns keep deluding themselves into thinking they are on the verge of overturning all their draconian laws. If the Democrats remain the majority of the CO legislature, they will do as they please regardless of how many letters we write, how much money we donate to NRA/ILA, or how many 2A organizations we join. -and they know it.

unlike CA, they just got the reins a couple months back. Hopefully the backlash will reverse it but that is 2 years away (and if it doesn't happen then it never will).
Part of the trouble is that they know the damage is already done to their reelection.

[generalmeow]

Nothing directly, unless one of your guns is misused.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if some gun companies decide that the liability risk is to high and stop selling guns in Colorado.


This is what I'm worried about. I think this is essentially a ban on "assault weapons", because no manufacturers will sell their guns here if they're going to be held responsible for any misuse.

On the other hand, i think this is clearly and completely unconstitutional, and insane, so I can't even imagine it would become the law. But nothing would surprise me.

[10mm-man]

With the current political make-up of Colorado, I'm beginning to think I've wasted a whole lot of time and money in the past two months trying to prevent any of these bills from becoming law. They will ALL pass, unimpeded.

We are in a situation not so unlike CA: the folks on Calguns keep deluding themselves into thinking they are on the verge of overturning all their draconian laws. If the Democrats remain the majority of the CO legislature, they will do as they please regardless of how many letters we write, how much money we donate to NRA/ILA, or how many 2A organizations we join. -and they know it.


BINGO!! WINNER HERE^^^ Time to get em out of office...........

May I suggest you also go here and express your interest; http://www.ar-15.co/threads/91201-Group-buy-Interest-in-purchasing-AR-15-Lowers

Might just be the last Ar lowers you buy that are Colorado made!!

[Fmedges]

This is what I'm worried about. I think this is essentially a ban on "assault weapons", because no manufacturers will sell their guns here if they're going to be held responsible for any misuse.

On the other hand, i think this is clearly and completely unconstitutional, and insane, so I can't even imagine it would become the law. But nothing would surprise me.

They are law until they get overturned which takes years.

[John123]

Does this mean we can hold the car companies liable for the illegal aliens when they hit you with no insurance?

[merl]

Does this mean we can hold the car companies liable for the illegal aliens when they hit you with no insurance?

not as long as the car companies are union run and under Govt bailouts.

It does make me wonder though. The continuous evolution of the AR15 that the mil is benefiting from, how much of that is due to the consumer market.

[<MADDOG>]

Silly question: does anyone know someone of influence and power, who is a 2A supporter, who could lead the front on a recall petition on Morse? By my math, it would take 7,500 (edited) signatures.

[Goodburbon]

So wait, from the very first page, lever action rifles, Handi rifles, muzzle loaders, pump action rifles are all "assault weapons" now?

This is beyond stupid.

[clublights]

So wait, from the very first page, lever action rifles, Handi rifles, muzzle loaders, pump action rifles are all "assault weapons" now?

This is beyond stupid.


No those are the only ones that are NOT assault weapons ..... all semi auto rifles and all non pump action shotguns

[<MADDOG>]

Good, bad, or indifferent, I just reached out to Jeff Crank, RMGO, and Owen Hill concerning my question above...

[rondog]

What does this turd Morse look like? Anybody got a photo? I don't even know what his/her/its first name is.

[clublights]

What does this turd Morse look like? Anybody got a photo? I don't even know what his/her/its first name is.


John Morse


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Morse_(Colorado_legislator)

http://www.senatorjohnmorse.com

[rondog]

John Morse


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Morse_(Colorado_legislator)

http://www.senatorjohnmorse.com

Thanks! What an asshole, I fart in his general direction.

[liberty19]

Moron! [Rant2]

[sniper7]

Im ready to run for colorado senate now. Time to infiltrate and make major changes

[Kraven251]

Im ready to run for colorado senate now. Time to infiltrate and make major changes

No shit.

[Slapps74]

So the million dollar question(s)........what can we do, how do we do it with out destroying our own futures.

[Jackal]

So the million dollar question(s)........what can we do, how do we do it with out destroying our own futures.

It's probably more like a two or three million dollar question- my bet is in many of the closer districts if you put enough money behind opposition candidates, you could change the make-up of the senate and house to Republican. It will take much more than that for the governship in 2014. But most of these campaigns are run as very small budget operations. With the funding and grassroots organizing, we could unseat enough dems to win. I think you would need a Republican gov to make sure you could repeal these measures. You most likely would not get a veto proof majority in both houses.

[Big E3]

(2) A PERSON WHO SELLS OR TRANSFERS AN ASSAULT WEAPON IS
20 DEEMED TO BE AWARE:
21 (a) THAT ASSAULT WEAPONS ARE SOUGHT AFTER BY AND ARE
22 USEFUL FOR CRIMINALS, MASS KILLERS, AND THOSE WITH CRIMINAL
23 INTENT BUT ARE RARELY NECESSARY FOR LAWFUL PURPOSES; AND
24 (b) OF THE EXTREME LIKELIHOOD THAT AN ASSAULT WEAPON
25 THAT IS SOLD OR TRANSFERRED WILL BE USED IN A CRIME OR WILL RESULT
26 IN SERIOUS INJURY OR DEATH

I don't understand how it can be usumed that we are aware that a rifle is extremely likely to be used in a crime. In 2011 there were just over 350 homicides with all types of rifles, in the same year there was over 700 deaths from bicycle accidents. It seems twice as likely that if I sell a bicycle to someone they are going to be killed. If there are an estimated 300 million guns, for argument lets say, 1/3 hand guns, 1/3 shotguns, 1/3 rifles, that makes 100 milion rifles. Why does 350 rifle related homicides even make the radar let alone cause such a national frenzy.

[Fmedges]

(2) A PERSON WHO SELLS OR TRANSFERS AN ASSAULT WEAPON IS
20 DEEMED TO BE AWARE:
21 (a) THAT ASSAULT WEAPONS ARE SOUGHT AFTER BY AND ARE
22 USEFUL FOR CRIMINALS, MASS KILLERS, AND THOSE WITH CRIMINAL
23 INTENT BUT ARE RARELY NECESSARY FOR LAWFUL PURPOSES; AND
24 (b) OF THE EXTREME LIKELIHOOD THAT AN ASSAULT WEAPON
25 THAT IS SOLD OR TRANSFERRED WILL BE USED IN A CRIME OR WILL RESULT
26 IN SERIOUS INJURY OR DEATH

I don't understand how it can be usumed that we are aware that a rifle is extremely likely to be used in a crime. In 2011 there were just over 350 homicides with all types of rifles, in the same year there was over 700 deaths from bicycle accidents. It seems twice as likely that if I sell a bicycle to someone they are going to be killed. If there are an estimated 300 million guns, for argument lets say, 1/3 hand guns, 1/3 shotguns, 1/3 rifles, that makes 100 milion rifles. Why does 350 rifle related homicides even make the radar let alone cause such a national frenzy.

because you can't stop an out of control government with a bicycle.

[Birddog1911]

Are we then deemed to be aware that, when we sell someone our vehicle, that that person is going to drink and drive and kill someone? Should we be held liable for their actions, as well?

We need to watch for when this bill goes to committee, and fight it there. That will be the first step, I believe.

[Byte Stryke]

Start the recall vote process or you are going to have a rougher fight getting this repealed in 40 or so years

[merl]

even with recalls, the bills will all be passed before anyone is removed.

[Walter.mitty]

Shotgun is defined as a smooth bore. So any slug barrel is now an Assault weapon.
I think/ hope that this one is a throw away by the Dems. Let a few "moderate" Dems vote it down to seem pro-gun. While passing the mag restrictions.

Also this POS redefines Castle doctrine. If you use an Assault weapon you are liable for any injuries outside your home. But if I use my 30-06 I'm not?

[Zundfolge]

even with recalls, the bills will all be passed before anyone is removed.

Yes, but even a single successful recall will make it easier for them to vote for repeal. No repeals and the weaker dems will be emboldened (or more to the point a successful recall will weaken the weaker dems even more).

[Big E3]

This law is way worse than any previous laws being considered. They don't need to identify an "Assault Weapon" to have a law like this. This could just say any firearm used would qualify for liability. This law is specifically intended to have a list of features that qualify a list of guns as "Assault Weapons" in the law books. In the future they will start chipping away at that list until they are all gone. Most things in this law are duplicated by the background checks as far as who you sell to. If the background check law passes why do we need this or if we have this we don't need background checks for private sales. With these two laws in place, they will then have to amend the background check law to have a list of all guns sold "because it's not working". Now they have a list of your guns and will know exactly who has the ones they call "Assault Weapons", in the interest of safety they will have to be turned in. Another thing is section 13-21-1202 is very concerning.

13-21-1202. Legislative declaration. (1) THE GENERAL
3 ASSEMBLY HEREBY FINDS AND DECLARES:
4 (a) IN 2012 THERE WERE SEVEN MASS MURDERS IN THE UNITED
5 STATES, INCLUDING ONE IN AURORA THAT KILLED TWELVE PEOPLE AND
6 INJURED FIFTY-EIGHT OTHERS;

They have declared these as facts, and at best they are half truths. They don't tell you what seven. The Aurora shooter used a shotgun for the majority of damage.

7 (b) MILITARY-STYLE ASSAULT WEAPONS ARE A COMMON THREAD
8 LINKING THE RECENT MASS SHOOTINGS IN NEWTOWN, OAK CREEK,
9 AURORA, COLUMBINE, AND OTHERS;

Of all the guns they want to call "Assault Weapons" only the AR15 and AK47 would qualify as "MILITARY-STYLE". Recent mass shootings now include Columbine that was 14 years ago.

10 (c) BECAUSE THESE WEAPONS WERE ORIGINALLY INTENDED FOR
11 COMBAT AND WERE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO KILL LARGE NUMBERS OF
12 PEOPLE IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, THEY MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR THE
13 SHOOTERS IN THOSE TRAGEDIES TO KILL OR INJURE BETWEEN NINE AND
14 SEVENTY PEOPLE IN A SINGLE INCIDENT;

"Intended for combat", there list includes guns that have nothing to do with military, like 10/22's, and excludes guns that were used in some of these incidents, like pump shotguns.

15 (d) ANY PRIVATE BENEFIT FOR PERSONS TO OWN SUCH WEAPONS
16 MUST BE WEIGHED AGAINST THE GREAT DANGER THAT THEY POSE TO THE
17 PUBLIC; AND

This one is bad, does "THEY" mean the gun or the people who own them? Sounds like just owning them we pose a threat to the public, now they must take them away.

18 (e) THE RIGHT TO MANUFACTURE, SELL, OR OWN ASSAULT
19 WEAPONS MUST CARRY WITH IT SOME OF THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR
20 DAMAGE, INJURY, AND DEATH THAT RESULTS FROM THE DISCHARGE OF
21 THAT WEAPON.

I need to go to work now.

[Sawin]

I saw this post this morning and it resonated with me:



I believe similar thoughts are resonating with more and more folks every day, Kelly. 'Tis becoming a boondoggle these days, ain't it?

[Byte Stryke]

Arborists wanted:
Experience desired but not required, dedication is everything. Must show determination, dedication and trustworthiness.
Tools required, as well as some supplies.


Apply in Person, Liberty-Tree

[BPTactical]

I find the language implying an "AW" is only good for mass killings and few lawful purposes particularly offensive.
It is essentialy an accusation of anyone who owns one being a mass killer.
For a lawmaker to put such a statement in a public policy document is reprehensible.
Also the language that has been used by the elected officials during the debates has been equally despicable.

It is Hate speech.

Turn their game against them.....

[UrbanWolf]

I find the language implying an "AW" is only good for mass killings and few lawful purposes particularly offensive.
It is essentialy an accusation of anyone who owns one being a mass killer.
For a lawmaker to put such a statement in a public policy document is reprehensible.
Also the language that has been used by the elected officials during the debates has been equally despicable.

It is Hate speech.

Turn their game against them.....

Can't, logic don't work on them. You have to cry like one of them.

[BPTactical]

Can't, logic don't work on them. You have to cry like one of them.

But I dont sit to pee........

[sniper7]

But I dont sit to pee........

No, but you beg for cat food![Coffee]

[BPTactical]

No, but you beg for cat food![Coffee]


Nah, thats Stan............I get home delivery[LOL]

[mdflem51]

Geez..It`s just starting! If the house is lost in 2014 we`ve not seen anything yet. Rhonda Fields.. she named her son after a department store in Chicago.. A Maxine Waters and Sheila Jackson Lee composite.

[waxthis]

And there are some who say this country can be taken back by peaceful means.....HA.

[Fmedges]

And there are some who say this country can be taken back by peaceful means.....HA.

+10,000

[johnyfive]

Morse is done in 2014 due to term limitations.

This is the most encouraging fact in the whole debate. Morse is a sacrificial lamb. He doesn't need to worry about reelection in his district. He can write a Ban that the antirights selfrepresentatives ought to vote down as a public relations maneuver. Anyone else who's up on term limits or needs to posture them self as totalitarian on guns-and-therefore-crime might do the same. The bill as written already violates US and Colorado constitutions, but I would guess it passes judiciary so they can make a bigger show of voting it down on the general floor. Either way I'm headed to capitol Monday to give them a piece of my mind.