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spqrzilla
03-01-2013, 09:49
http://blogs.denverpost.com/thespot/2013/02/28/joe-neville-gun-lobbyist-joe-neville-slapped-with-ethics-complaint/91730/
An example of why Dudley Brown's involvement in the civil union stuff is backfiring on us.
I'm very tempted to cease support for RMGO... Dudley (and I don't give a shit if he reads this or not) is being an asshole. Looking at the numbers, in the gun control debate, 100% of republicans are opposed (perhaps going party line, but still), and yet this asshat pressures them... He needs to be doing that to the dems, not our own. Dick move if you ask me, and no one likes a person who is being an asshole.
I flat don't give a shit about civil unions. What people do in their own lives is their business, as long as it doesn't infringe on my rights. RMGO is a gun rights organization, and should restrict their lobbying efforts to that goal. I support them in that endeavor, and encourage others to do so as well.
I agree with Tfogger. What you do doesn't concern me as long as it doesn't affect me negatively. RMGO needs to focus on the task at hand as that is its reason for existence last I checked...and we seem to have our hands full at the moment.
FOCUS
You get one article that shows one side. Big fucking deal. Don't you think the media loves to blow this stuff out of the water so people questions rmgo. Anyone that is complaining needs to stfu. Look at the radio ads, the emails trying to get people involved, the events set up, the organization they are doing to help fight these bills off. If you don't think rmgo is doing a lot (definitely a lot more than the NRA is doing for us right now), you have your head up your ass.
^this. At least wait for a rebuttal or the "facts" to come out of the hearings
XC700116
03-01-2013, 12:07
Ya know, I've supported RMGO and am a member, but this kind of crap is exactly why I'm reconsiddering. Their purpose is NOT worrying about Civil Unions and IMO if Dudley can't separate himself from Party Line politics, it's a detriment to the purpose of RMGO because of shit like this. You don't see the executive director of the NRA sending out flyers about non gun issues left and right, and you don't see them beating other gun organizations over the head about what they percieve as compromise.
Dudley has repeatedly spent more effort to discredit other gun rights advocate groups than anyone else and IMO it's BS. That is for the membership of those organizations to take the leaders to task on. RMGO throwing mud at them just makes RMGO look like asses. You can get away with it in the times where your party is in control, but like it or not we NEED some Democrats to help us in this fight, if they resort to party line, we're screwed. Pressuring those already on our side because they aren't conservative enough on other issues is detrimental to the cause.
That's why you don't see NRA lobyists lobbying on other issues, it's not their business and they will lose support for the cause they are supposed to be lobbying for if they do. Our gun rights will never be secure as long as we allow groups like RMGO to force it into party politics. Nationally, our rights were never (in recent times post 1986) as safe as they were in the mid 2000's after the Dems got their tails handed to them after the 94 ban. They learned from it, and now they are testing the waters again, but with them in the majority, if the gun rights groups aren't together on this, and not concerned with other issues, we'll lose again. Do I wish we had a bunch of real conservatives controling the govt? yeah, but the reality is that we don't and we need the help of pro-gun dems to keep from losing our asses on this. Dudley needs to decide what his cause is first and foremost and leave it at that. If it's gun rights, which is why he has membership, then it needs to stay at that. If he can't do that, then he needs to put somone else in the place of executive director, and move on to something more broad in scope. RMGO shouldn't be associated with any other form or lobbying besides gun rights if it's going to be effective during times when the republicans don't control at least 1 of the chambers of the assembly.
I see and appreciate RMGO's efforts, but honestly when the leader of "CO's Gun rights group" is throwing mud at the NRA, are you really surprised the NRA isn't going to bat for us full tilt here in CO? The NRA bashing and mud throwing he's doing needs to stop. He's acting like the jealous girl at the prom that throws punch on the prom queen's dress because she didn't win.
You get one article that shows one side. Big fucking deal. Don't you think the media loves to blow this stuff out of the water so people questions rmgo. Anyone that is complaining needs to stfu. Look at the radio ads, the emails trying to get people involved, the events set up, the organization they are doing to help fight these bills off. If you don't think rmgo is doing a lot (definitely a lot more than the NRA is doing for us right now), you have your head up your ass.
I was more speaking about the lobbyist threatening Cheri Gerou. And everything XC700116 said is SPOT ON!!! [Beer]
I was more speaking about the lobbyist threatening Cheri Gerou. And everything XC700116 said is SPOT ON!!! [Beer]
Yeah I agree the bashing of the NRA needs to stop. But I also think the NRA needs to get a bulldog stance for us right now. Start throwing some weight around.
and when things turn around and the republicans own the state (if this ever happens), they need to make sure every single one of these bullshit bills are reversed plus some. I still believe they need to reverse the 1986 full auto ban on new manufactured guns. It's ludicrous that you can own one made before 1986 but not one now.
Dont think so....imagine 27 years from now if 30 round mags are in the same boat. You can own them as long as they were made before 2013, but not after....
XC700116
03-01-2013, 12:42
Yeah I agree the bashing of the NRA needs to stop. But I also think the NRA needs to get a bulldog stance for us right now. Start throwing some weight around.
and when things turn around and the republicans own the state (if this ever happens), they need to make sure every single one of these bullshit bills are reversed plus some. I still believe they need to reverse the 1986 full auto ban on new manufactured guns. It's ludicrous that you can own one made before 1986 but not one now.
Dont think so....imagine 27 years from now if 30 round mags are in the same boat. You can own them as long as they were made before 2013, but not after....
Agreed on all counts there.
Eggysrun
03-01-2013, 12:42
And that is why I won't give these guys a penny. Focus on protecting our guns, not this tea party conservative bullshit.
newracer
03-01-2013, 13:10
Did you guys even read the whole article and can you comprehend what was stated? RMGO said they confronted her because she had not said where she stood on the bills. The lobbyist even stated it had nothing to do with civil unions.
A lot of what RMGO does is behind the scenes. I think a lot of you are jut looking for a reason not to send your $25. If you don't want to support them then don't but don't bitch when we loose even more rights.
Did you guys even read the whole article and can you comprehend what was stated? RMGO said they confronted her because she had not said where she stood on the bills. The lobbyist even stated it had nothing to do with civil unions.
A lot of what RMGO does is behind the scenes. I think a lot of you are jut looking for a reason not to send your $25. If you don't want to support them then don't but don't bitch when we loose even more rights.
I already sent them my $25 for the year... so there's that. No, the fact that she wasn't one that really needed to be threatened (and speaking with a mutual friend/business associate of Mrs. Gerou, the RMGO Lobbyist was out of line) is over the top for me. I feel that RMGO needs to be more respectful. Dudley needs to get his head in THIS game, not every tea/conservative fight out there. Those can wait, this can't. And I agree, he's butting heads and throwing mud at the NRA, and we can't have division among ourselves at this time.
XC700116
03-01-2013, 13:23
Did you guys even read the whole article and can you comprehend what was stated? RMGO said they confronted her because she had not said where she stood on the bills. The lobbyist even stated it had nothing to do with civil unions.
A lot of what RMGO does is behind the scenes. I think a lot of you are jut looking for a reason not to send your $25. If you don't want to support them then don't but don't bitch when we loose even more rights.
Yeah I read it, and I get that, BUT do you get that doing all the other things, gives the A-holes ammo? That's why the NRA sticks to guns and keeps out of the other stuff. When Dudley and Neville are throwing thier hat into the ring on other issues it opens the door to RMGO being thrown in that ring as well. Hence this EXACT situation and the media having ammo to twist it. The fact that he's caught up in a lawsuit right now for that drags RMGO into that spotlight, like it or not.
And yes, I too have already signed up for my membership and donated extra to them this year, that's why I'm irritated by this crap, I have given them my name and my $$ to be my voice in the state capital. As a member, I feel it is my right and responsibility to voice my opinion on how they are handling business. When non-gun issue BS causes harm to the gun rights cause, I take issue with that. I send money to other organizations to lobby on those issues.
Aloha_Shooter
03-01-2013, 13:51
And that is why I won't give these guys a penny. Focus on protecting our guns, not this tea party conservative bullshit.
WTH are you guys getting this shit from? I know it's all the vogue in the mainstream media to denigrate anything to do with Tea Party conservatism but I expected more from people in a forum that are less likely to be Obamabots. Tea Party conservatism is/was about fiscal discipline and restraining the growth and intrustion of the federal government -- it has/had nothing to do with social conservatism. Sure, there are a lot of Tea Party conservatives that are also social conservatives -- there are also a lot of social conservatives who aren't Tea Party conservatives.
Regardless of where you stand on various social or fiscal issues, internal sniping between different factions only helps the Obamabots. We lost the federal and a lot of state elections precisely because Dick Lugar and his supporters looked down on the Tea Party candidate who beat him in the primaries and because Tea Party and social conservatives looked down on "moderates" and so-called "RINOs" and because liberal Republicans sniff at social conservatives, etc. Loss of those elections contributed a hell of a lot to the liberal extremists being emboldened toward implementing increased gun control and doubling down on their agenda of increased social spending, regressive taxation and "change".
We have met the enemy and it is us.
Yeah... I sent a request to remove me from their mailing list when they started bashing the NRA. I unsubscribed and let them know why (we are on the SAME side... the school yard bickering like little girls is not what we need right now). However, I'm still receiving emails from them so they apparently aren't honoring unsubscribe requests. By law... they have 2 weeks to remove me from their list... at which time if they don't, they are subject to up to $16,000 fines per incident that follows according to the CAN-SPAM act!
DavieD55
03-01-2013, 14:00
I can't believe you guys would give any credibility to the liberal rag propaganda. The Denver Post is very anti-gun along with the 60's radical Bartels who wrote that article. The only way Gerou can win elections in her district is to pretend she is affiliated with the Republican party, She is just another liberal. This to me is an obvious attempt to smear RMGO, in light of what is going on in our state with the gun issue. Sometimes you have to read between the lines. This is only one side to this story and you guys are believing it and passing judgment. You guys are being punked by the liberal media.
XC700116
03-01-2013, 14:15
It's not about giving them credibility, they already have it with those whom we are fighting against and with the fence sitters. So that point is moot to begin with.
It's about not giving them the opportunity to bash us over the head with non-gun issue politics. Brown and Neville's actions have opened that door and surprise surprise, they walked right through it and are using it to club us over the head. Believe it or not, a good percentage of the population still thinks the DP is a news organization and not a liberal mouthpiece, no matter if it's true or not.
When are we going to wake the F up and figure out that if we try to play on all front's at once we're going to get our asses handed to us. We didn't get here over night and we aren't going to get it back on track over night. They used progressive, incrimental steps to get us cornered, and we need to do the same to get out of it. Stop fighting by the rules you think are there, or should be there, and start fighting within the real constraints of the fight.
DavieD55
03-01-2013, 14:40
It's not about giving them credibility, they already have it with those whom we are fighting against and with the fence sitters. So that point is moot to begin with.
It's about not giving them the opportunity to bash us over the head with non-gun issue politics. Brown and Neville's actions have opened that door and surprise surprise, they walked right through it and are using it to club us over the head. Believe it or not, a good percentage of the population still thinks the DP is a news organization and not a liberal mouthpiece, no matter if it's true or not.
How do you know what really happened between Neville and Gerou? Were you there?
spqrzilla
03-01-2013, 14:57
I read the article assuming its biased and what I read is that RMGO once again shows that its a screwup org by allowing the conflict of interest of the two topics to be used against us.
That's my point.
XC700116
03-01-2013, 14:59
How do you know what really happened between Neville and Gerou? Were you there?
No, I wasn't, and I don't claim to know what really happened. It's not about what really happened, my gripe is about public perception and how to be effective in the fight.
What I'm saying is that if Dudley hadn't been worried about trying to primary her out for a COMPLETELY separate issue from gun rights, this wouldn't be coming back to bite us all in the ass now. Those actions are now tied to RMGO, Neville, and any action he/RMGO tries to take because Dudley is the Executive Director of RMGO.
Weather there's a relevant coorelation between the pamplet campaign, which has him involved with a lawsuit now, and RMGO or not, he handed them the club and RMGO is getting hammered with it because he's the executive director. That's the game you play when you play in politics and not recognizing that and taking steps to prevent it, is naive at best.
It's pretty obvious this complaint is a well timed shot at Brown and Neville and by proxy, RMGO, as reprisal for past actions. That's why Dudley's trying to wear too many hats, is biting us in the ass in the gun rights arena.
No, I wasn't, and I don't claim to know what really happened. It's not about what really happened, my gripe is about public perception and how to be effective in the fight.
What I'm saying is that if Dudley hadn't been worried about trying to primary her out for a COMPLETELY separate issue from gun rights, this wouldn't be coming back to bite us all in the ass now. Those actions are now tied to RMGO, Neville, and any action he/RMGO tries to take because Dudley is the Executive Director of RMGO.
Weather there's a relevant coorelation between the pamplet campaign, which has him involved with a lawsuit now, and RMGO or not, he handed them the club and RMGO is getting hammered with it because he's the executive director. That's the game you play when you play in politics and not recognizing that and taking steps to prevent it, is naive at best.
It's pretty obvious this complaint is a well timed shot at Brown and Neville and by proxy, RMGO, as reprisal for past actions. That's why Dudley's trying to wear too many hats, is biting us in the ass in the gun rights arena.
Public perception? The media bashes the NRA as baby killers, protecting criminals, an organization that feeds on murders to protect its organization and get more people to join and buy guns. The media says RMGO talked a little sense into this woman to not sway from party lines and all of a sudden they are a demonizing organization? Ummm...bullshit.
Its simple, either you support them with your $$ or you don't. I don't give a shit what was said to someone a while back. What I care about right now is that RMGO is lighting a fire to keep anti-gun bills from becoming law. As far as I can see they are doing their best and I believe the money is being well spent on radio ads and campaigns and town hall meetings and spreading the word. That is what matters right now, not this petty bullshit that the media made a quick article about and people are blowing it out of proportion.
Public perception? The media bashes the NRA as baby killers, protecting criminals, an organization that feeds on murders to protect its organization and get more people to join and buy guns. The media says RMGO talked a little sense into this woman to not sway from party lines and all of a sudden they are a demonizing organization? Ummm...bullshit.
I don't want to argue with you here, but an ethics complaint goes no where if it's just "talking a little sense" into someone....
I have to agree with XC on this- Dudley wears too many hats, and I really am not seeing much of RMGO right now, other than the mailer I got that says to spread the word and oppose a CO AWB. What AWB? I see other PACs like the one that put the Sheriff Cook commercial on the radio doing more to help than RMGO at this time... Maybe I'm not paying attention in the right areas or I'm missing something, but I'm just not seeing RMGO doing a whole lot right now.
spqrzilla
03-01-2013, 17:36
Evidently, RMGO is running an absolutely brilliant Google Ads campaign against Mary Hodge ... if the repetition of the same lame ad in my browser is any indication. [facepalm]
spqrzilla
03-01-2013, 18:28
Except that its not an assault weapons ban bill.
Except that its not an assault weapons ban bill.
It merely tries to 1)define every firearm other than a pump shotgun or bolt action rifle as an "assault weapon", and 2) establish ridiculous rules for civil liability surrounding the sale, possession, and use of such firearms that would make it financially suicidal to have anything to do with them.
sabot_round
03-01-2013, 18:58
Once again, we're eating our own here!! Can we get some love from the brethren court?
It merely tries to 1)define every firearm other than a pump shotgun or bolt action rifle as an "assault weapon", and 2) establish ridiculous rules for civil liability surrounding the sale, possession, and use of such firearms that would make it financially suicidal to have anything to do with them.
it is a dangerous bill
but it is dangerous because of how it defines assault weapon in CO law not because it bans anything.
It is the AWB part one, get a solid definition on the books. Part 2 will come when the winds get stronger.
Sounds like sour grapes. The DP is trying to make it something bigger. Sensational media does that.
Joe Neville is being portrayed as an ass. He may very well be.
I applaud her stance on protecting our constitutional rights. If she is in favor of equal rights for committed couples (gay or straight), I see not problem with that.
spqrzilla
03-01-2013, 21:42
[facepalm]Exactly my reaction to the lame excuse.
spqrzilla
03-01-2013, 21:43
It merely tries to 1)define every firearm other than a pump shotgun or bolt action rifle as an "assault weapon", and 2) establish ridiculous rules for civil liability surrounding the sale, possession, and use of such firearms that would make it financially suicidal to have anything to do with them.
Indeed, it is a very bad bill. But it isn't a ban and it wasn't even introduced as legislation when RMGO mailed out the lame cards.
Indeed, it is a very bad bill. But it isn't a ban and it wasn't even introduced as legislation when RMGO mailed out the lame cards.
The NRA is calling the UBC a gateway to universal gun registration. What do you think about that?
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