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Bailey Guns
03-04-2013, 22:14
Tyranny: Oppressive power exerted by government.


If that doesn't define the democrat party of Colorado, nothing does. In the face of overwhelming opposition they are knowingly and intentionally governing against the will of the citizens of this state. They are lying about the true intent of their agenda. They are blatantly ignoring the will of the people. It's obvious our loud, combined voices mean nothing to them.

Frankly, I see the democrat-controlled Colorado legislature as an illegitimate and criminal government intentionally violating the Constitutions of the State of Colorado and the United States.

They are tyrants and should be held accountable for their actions. Senators Morse and Nicholson are at the top of the list of tyrants.

Any of you who voted for these people...I hope you're happy. You don't deserve to be called a citizen and you're the enemy of freedom just like they are.

hghclsswhitetrsh
03-04-2013, 22:17
Amen.

Senator Hodge made me so upset to see her rolling her eyes during opposed testimony. SHAME ON YOU LEGISLATORS VOTING ON PARTY LINES!!

wARmachine15
03-04-2013, 22:17
I'd say that sums it up.

JMBD2112
03-04-2013, 22:18
Well said....

zteknik
03-04-2013, 22:19
AMEN!!

bogie
03-04-2013, 22:21
So the logical question is what now?

Aardvark
03-04-2013, 22:21
Was there any doubt to begin with?

Icecoldviper
03-04-2013, 22:23
So the logical question is what now?

This.

wARmachine15
03-04-2013, 22:23
I wonder how many of the Dems are getting escorted home...by security details with high capacity magazines.

roberth
03-04-2013, 22:26
Excellent BG.

02ducky
03-04-2013, 22:35
Well said Bailey... Sad day Colorado.

Singlestack
03-04-2013, 22:36
Really amazing that all of the incredible witnesses and testimony against these awful bills did not change minds. The only explanation I have is the fix was in and the Dems minds were made up beforehand. I believe we have some time to turn this around, but if the next 2 election cycles keep the state in dem hands, expect to see the crazy laws of Kalifornia enacted here.

10mm-man
03-04-2013, 22:36
Sic Semper Tyrannis

BPTactical
03-04-2013, 22:37
Well said Carl.

This is my native state.
This is no longer my home.

HoneyBadger
03-04-2013, 22:39
What a crock of horseshit. Nonetheless, we will overcome this.

Bailey Guns
03-04-2013, 22:41
Mod edited


Sic Semper Tyrannis

pumpgun
03-04-2013, 22:41
Midterm elections next year should be interesting. I hope.
I wonder if they realize they won't be riding obamers coattails back into office especially Hickenlooper.

tom

Gman
03-04-2013, 22:41
Was there any doubt to begin with?
None. This was as good as done when the elections were over.

Clint45
03-04-2013, 22:44
In the face of overwhelming opposition they are knowingly and intentionally governing against the will of the citizens of this state. They are lying about the true intent of their agenda. They are blatantly ignoring the will of the people. It's obvious our loud, combined voices mean nothing to them.


For all of their fervor, Hickenlooper sees the demonstrators a small minority.

"Not only do they not represent the middle, I don't think they represent the Republican party. I don't think they represent a large number of people," said Gov. Hickenlooper.


http://www.9news.com/news/article/321188/188/Gov-Gun-control-will-not-cost-me-re-election (http://www.9news.com/news/article/321188/188/Gov-Gun-control-will-not-cost-me-re-election)

Bailey Guns
03-04-2013, 22:46
"Not only do they not represent the middle, I don't think they represent the Republican party. I don't think they represent a large number of people," said Gov. Hickenlooper.

I guess we'll see if he's right.

BPTactical
03-04-2013, 22:47
"I don't think"

Pretty well sums it up.

sroz
03-04-2013, 22:47
Well said Carl.

This is my native state.
This is no longer my home.

Not my native state. I came here to take part in something good. Seems many transplants came here to destroy it. I truly feel for the Colorado natives. It is a sad day indeed when a native Coloradan declares that Colorado is no longer his home. It's not over, yet. Hopefully we can all work to turn it around. If not today, maybe in 2014.

Colopatt
03-04-2013, 22:48
So the logical question is what now?

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Article_XXI,_Colorado_Constitution
Link to the recall process in Colorado. ALL elected officials who voted for these bills should be held to account for THEIR failure to uphold THEIR oath of office.

Bailey Guns
03-04-2013, 22:49
That arrogant son-of-a-bitch has the nerve to say "they don't represent the republican party" knowing full well not a single republican has thus far voted for any of these bills. It appears to me the republican party is at least trying to represent their constituents.

NitroxBoss
03-04-2013, 22:52
Same Here!

So Sad!


Well said Carl.

This is my native state.
This is no longer my home.

onebadfx4
03-04-2013, 22:53
This greatly saddens me. Tyranny at its best.

Big E3
03-04-2013, 22:56
I have been trying to figure out how John Morse state senate district 11, got elected in El Paso county, so I did some research and found this from his election. I sure hope we just learned something from splitting the Republican vote with the Libertarian party. The way I look at it, today should have went differently.

El Paso County: State Senate District 11 Election Results
Owen Hill vs. John Morse vs. Douglas Randall

Results
District 11
100% reporting ( 81 precincts )
Candidate or Ballot-Vote Vote percentage Vote count
John Morse (Dem) 48.1% (13,451)
Owen Hill (GOP) 47.2% (13,199)
Douglas Randall (Lib) 4.5% (1,258)
Last Updated Nov. 3, 2010.

liberty19
03-04-2013, 22:58
Tyranny: Oppressive power exerted by government.


If that doesn't define the democrat party of Colorado, nothing does. In the face of overwhelming opposition they are knowingly and intentionally governing against the will of the citizens of this state. They are lying about the true intent of their agenda. They are blatantly ignoring the will of the people. It's obvious our loud, combined voices mean nothing to them.

Frankly, I see the democrat-controlled Colorado legislature as an illegitimate and criminal government intentionally violating the Constitutions of the State of Colorado and the United States.

They are tyrants and should be held accountable for their actions. Senators Morse and Nicholson are at the top of the list of tyrants.

Any of you who voted for these people...I hope you're happy. You don't deserve to be called a citizen and you're the enemy of freedom just like they are.

Well said sir, Thank you.

twitchyfinger
03-04-2013, 22:59
Well said Carl.

This is my native state.
This is no longer my home.

Yet another same here!

I think they should all be wearing a shock collar that goes off every time they tell a lie!

KevDen2005
03-04-2013, 23:01
I missed everything due to unavoidable life issues today...can someone please post an update including all the bills and their outcomes?

BPTactical
03-04-2013, 23:01
I have been trying to figure out how John Morse state senate district 11, got elected in El Paso county, so I did some research and found this from his election. I sure hope we just learned something from splitting the Republican vote with the Libertarian party. The way I look at it, today should have went differently.

El Paso County: State Senate District 11 Election Results
Owen Hill vs. John Morse vs. Douglas Randall

Results
District 11
100% reporting ( 81 precincts )
Candidate or Ballot-Vote Vote percentage Vote count
John Morse (Dem) 48.1% (13,451)
Owen Hill (GOP) 47.2% (13,199)
Douglas Randall (Lib) 4.5% (1,258)
Last Updated Nov. 3, 2010.

Yup, just like anybody who voted for Tancredo.

People wake the fuck up, there are things greater than yourself at times.

NBui4
03-04-2013, 23:02
Well said Carl.

This is my native state.
This is no longer my home.

Same here, BNR.

So sad.

Bailey Guns
03-04-2013, 23:08
I think they should all be wearing a shock collar that goes off every time they tell a lie!

Dude...we can't make that much electricity.

BPTactical
03-04-2013, 23:09
I missed everything due to unavoidable life issues today...can someone please post an update including all the bills and their outcomes?

Does a big dry dick in the ass mean anything?

Bailey Guns
03-04-2013, 23:15
Does a big dry dick in the ass mean anything?

Brilliantly eloquent!

[ROFL2]

Or does it mean you support "civil unions"?

OtterbatHellcat
03-04-2013, 23:19
Big dry dick in the ass.

Nope, I believe that about sums it up pretty well.

BPTactical
03-04-2013, 23:21
But I did burn up the horn in my truck..........

twitchyfinger
03-04-2013, 23:24
Dude...we can't make that much electricity.

[ROFL1]

I suppose you are right but a massive lightening bolt from the man upstairs sure would be nice!

ben4372
03-04-2013, 23:24
A nice clean vote along party lines. When does the civil disobedience start?

HoneyBadger
03-04-2013, 23:26
Does a big dry dick in the ass mean anything?

Congrats! You just won some real estate in my sig line! [LOL]

Bailey Guns
03-04-2013, 23:31
Congrats! You just won some real estate in my sig line! [LOL]

That's one of those great quotes that's even better without context.

ChiefBDT
03-04-2013, 23:41
With the quality of testimony it's apparent that nothing could have been said to change anything. They should be very ashamed that they would, or even could, put political favoritism ahead of what is best for the people of Colorado. That said, what we all watched today is a microcosm of the problem in D.C. I fear there is no fixing it anymore. It would be one thing if these Dems were acting on promises made from a guy who just took office. Then they would just be naive! However they, like us, have been able to see how well promises are kept over the last four years. Strange that itts women Senators voting against others (Specifically younger women) to be able to keep themselves safe. My wife is livid.

Zundfolge
03-05-2013, 00:02
Tyranny: Oppressive power exerted by government.


If that doesn't define the democrat party of Colorado, nothing does. In the face of overwhelming opposition they are knowingly and intentionally governing against the will of the citizens of this state. They are lying about the true intent of their agenda. They are blatantly ignoring the will of the people. It's obvious our loud, combined voices mean nothing to them.

Frankly, I see the democrat-controlled Colorado legislature as an illegitimate and criminal government intentionally violating the Constitutions of the State of Colorado and the United States.

They are tyrants and should be held accountable for their actions. Senators Morse and Nicholson are at the top of the list of tyrants.

If ever a case was made for recalls, that was it.

So where do I sign the petitions for the recalls?

strm_trpr
03-05-2013, 01:49
I am ashamed to be a Democrat (don't hate me I am on the side of the 2nd amendment). There is no reason that true Democratic ideals are incompatible with 2nd amendment rights. I will not be voting for any of these democrats that are responsible for this ever again. I am ashamed that the current liberal extreemests claim to be democrats. They are not, a true democrat believes in a level playing field, and what is more of an equalizer than an gun!

Teufelhund
03-05-2013, 01:53
It just got real.

IB4L

brutal
03-05-2013, 02:23
But I did burn up the horn in my truck..........

So disrespectful of you.

Apparently burning one in public on 4-20 isn't.

DavieD55
03-05-2013, 06:47
It should be clear by now that these people are not interested in finding a real solution because that would take away their ability feed off of tragic events in order to advance their political agenda. It should be obvious by now as this legislation cannot and will not stop bad people from doing bad things. Today's Democratic party is not the same Democratic party of 50 years ago.

Kraven251
03-05-2013, 07:07
I knew I would wake up to this today, I thought for a second that maybe I wouldn't, but I'm tired of my wishful thinking on this. When is the Senate vote on this now that it is out of committee?

...they'll ram all this shit through and probably not even get to education or any of the mental health legislature they were talking about

nevermind found it
http://www.ar-15.co/threads/92569-Magpul-Urges-You-To-Stay-In-The-Fight!

Bailey Guns
03-05-2013, 07:12
I am ashamed to be a Democrat (don't hate me I am on the side of the 2nd amendment). There is no reason that true Democratic ideals are incompatible with 2nd amendment rights. I will not be voting for any of these democrats that are responsible for this ever again. I am ashamed that the current liberal extreemests claim to be democrats. They are not, a true democrat believes in a level playing field, and what is more of an equalizer than an gun!

You cannot possibly vote for democrats in today's society and be pro-gun:

Firearms. We recognize that the individual right to bear arms is an important part of the American tradition, and we will preserve Americans' Second Amendment right to own and use firearms. We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation. We understand the terrible consequences of gun violence; it serves as a reminder that life is fragile, and our time here is limited and precious. We believe in an honest, open national conversation about firearms. We can focus on effective enforcement of existing laws, especially strengthening our background check system, and we can work together to enact commonsense improvements—like reinstating the assault weapons ban and closing the gun show loophole—so that guns do not fall into the hands of those irresponsible, law-breaking few.



The above quote is taken directly from the Democrat Party Platform (http://www.democrats.org/democratic-national-platform#greater-together) website. If you support a party or candidate that supports that, you ARE NOT pro-gun. Owning a gun does not make you pro-gun.

I'd definitely call myself a classical liberal. But that's very far removed from the democrat party of the last thirty or forty years.

JMBD2112
03-05-2013, 07:28
I am ashamed to be a Democrat (don't hate me I am on the side of the 2nd amendment). There is no reason that true Democratic ideals are incompatible with 2nd amendment rights. I will not be voting for any of these democrats that are responsible for this ever again. I am ashamed that the current liberal extreemests claim to be democrats. They are not, a true democrat believes in a level playing field, and what is more of an equalizer than an gun!


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Singlestack
03-05-2013, 07:29
It appears Democrat legislators in every battleground state are pushing their far-left liberal agenda as hard as possible. This is only the beginning, for them.

I really don't know what the final vote will be in the Senate, but I won't be surprised if they pass pretty much on party lines. Don't get me wrong, we need to keep fighting and writing letters, calling, emails at every opportunity and not give up - ever. However, just realize that in many cases the die is cast...

scratchy
03-05-2013, 07:33
I am ashamed to be a Democrat (don't hate me I am on the side of the 2nd amendment). There is no reason that true Democratic ideals are incompatible with 2nd amendment rights. I will not be voting for any of these democrats that are responsible for this ever again. I am ashamed that the current liberal extreemests claim to be democrats. They are not, a true democrat believes in a level playing field, and what is more of an equalizer than an gun!

How did you vote?

Kraven251
03-05-2013, 07:48
How did you vote?

It doesn't matter. What matters is the understanding of what is happening now is the important part. All of our voices speaking for the same thing, preserving the Constitution and our 2A rights. We have all made our mistakes, as long as we learn from them is all that matters.

Bailey Guns
03-05-2013, 08:03
It doesn't matter. What matters is the understanding of what is happening now is the important part. All of our voices speaking for the same thing, preserving the Constitution and our 2A rights. We have all made our mistakes, as long as we learn from them is all that matters.

Unfortunately, that just isn't true. That's nothing more than a platitude.

For starters the democrat party hasn't made it a secret they're for more gun control. If someone voted democrat that wasn't a "mistake". It was a conscious choice to vote against gun rights. Now, regardless of the fact that "all of our voices (are) speaking for the same thing", it's obvious those democrats who were voted into office don't care what we're saying. At all. As much as I wanted to believe the speeches, emails, calls, faxes, letters and the tremendous outpouring of opposition to the democrat anti-gun bills would make a difference, their minds were made up. Period.

Westy
03-05-2013, 08:25
In the face of overwhelming opposition they are knowingly and intentionally governing against the will of the citizens of this state.
Colorado Native
Never thought about relocation, untill today. WTF
How did we get here? Sad so sad

Sharpienads
03-05-2013, 08:43
It just got real.

IB4L

[ROFL1]

PugnacAutMortem
03-05-2013, 09:21
Colorado Native
Never thought about relocation, untill today. WTF
How did we get here? Sad so sad

Same here. I intend on giving it my all to make the changes in government until 2014 and then reassess. If there's a glimmer of hope then I will stick it out until 2016. But if after an election cylce it becomes abundantly clear that Colorado has no intention of heading in the right direction, I will be taking my family elsewhere. I refuse to be called a criminal for something that "cannot be infringed" in the overarching law of the land. I refuse to raise my son (and other future children) in a liberally-diseased paradise. W

hat was it Ronald Reagan said about the Democratic Party? I didn't leave the Democrats, they left me? That's how I'm starting to feel about my home state.

Zundfolge
03-05-2013, 09:30
I am ashamed to be a Democrat (don't hate me I am on the side of the 2nd amendment). There is no reason that true Democratic ideals are incompatible with 2nd amendment rights. I will not be voting for any of these democrats that are responsible for this ever again. I am ashamed that the current liberal extreemests claim to be democrats. They are not, a true democrat believes in a level playing field, and what is more of an equalizer than an gun!

Guys instead of slapping strm_trpr up side the head here for his past, lets just welcome him to the fold and pat him on the back for waking up.

strm_trpr, what you think were "true Democrat ideals" pretty much died with JFK, your former party has been run by the hard left since LBJ took the party over and created the welfare state and it's got progressively worse (pun intended) every Dem administration since then (unfortunately what many of us consider "true Republican ideals" seems to have been born with and died with Reagan).

HoneyBadger
03-05-2013, 09:39
Guys instead of slapping strm_trpr up side the head here for his past, lets just welcome him to the fold and pat him on the back for waking up.

strm_trpr, what you think were "true Democrat ideals" pretty much died with JFK, your former party has been run by the hard left since LBJ took the party over and created the welfare state and it's got progressively worse (pun intended) every Dem administration since then (unfortunately what many of us consider "true Republican ideals" seems to have been born with and died with Reagan).
+1

Rooskibar03
03-05-2013, 09:46
Guys instead of slapping strm_trpr up side the head here for his past, lets just welcome him to the fold and pat him on the back for waking up.

strm_trpr, what you think were "true Democrat ideals" pretty much died with JFK, your former party has been run by the hard left since LBJ took the party over and created the welfare state and it's got progressively worse (pun intended) every Dem administration since then (unfortunately what many of us consider "true Republican ideals" seems to have been born with and died with Reagan).

I was thinking the same thing, someone needs to smack this guy but that doesn't accomplish anything.

They are no longer democrats, they are no longer liberals, they are Progressives, plain and simple. 100 years since Theodore and Wilson turned this country down a dark path and now we will spend the next 100 trying to get out.

StagLefty
03-05-2013, 09:52
I'm sad to say I lost a lot of faith in our system after all the e-mails sent and phone calls made and watching both the House and Senate proceedings.Minds and legislation were already made up and they just went through the motions to appear to be listening. Don't take this for waving a white flag, I'm far from being done and I know I'm not alone. Thanks to every one who went in person yesterday and let's not give up the good fight. [Beer]

MED
03-05-2013, 09:54
For all of their fervor, Hickenlooper sees the demonstrators a small minority.

"Not only do they not represent the middle, I don't think they represent the Republican party. I don't think they represent a large number of people," said Gov. Hickenlooper.


http://www.9news.com/news/article/321188/188/Gov-Gun-control-will-not-cost-me-re-election (http://www.9news.com/news/article/321188/188/Gov-Gun-control-will-not-cost-me-re-election)

Fixed

"Not only do they not represent the middle, I don't think they represent the Republican party. I don't think they represent a large number of people in the Denver metro area (fuck the rest of the state)," said Gov. Hickenlooper.

MED
03-05-2013, 09:57
Not my native state. I came here to take part in something good. Seems many transplants came here to destroy it. I truly feel for the Colorado natives. It is a sad day indeed when a native Coloradan declares that Colorado is no longer his home. It's not over, yet. Hopefully we can all work to turn it around. If not today, maybe in 2014.

I watched this state's demise in the 1990s and 2000s...it is really sad.

lowbeyond
03-05-2013, 09:58
Well that is nice. What he is saying is that there is no limit on the State via its founding document (US and State constitutions), so long as the majority want X.

Typical Statist.

Troublco
03-05-2013, 09:58
Progressives are progressively destroying the Republic. We are suffering the "death of a thousand cuts", and every one of their so-called "common sense" actions and their unceasing calls for "compromise" is another cut. Progressivism is a disease. You don't compromise with cancer. You either get rid of it, or it gets rid of you.

MED
03-05-2013, 10:03
Unfortunately, that just isn't true. That's nothing more than a platitude.

For starters the democrat party hasn't made it a secret they're for more gun control. If someone voted democrat that wasn't a "mistake". It was a conscious choice to vote against gun rights. Now, regardless of the fact that "all of our voices (are) speaking for the same thing", it's obvious those democrats who were voted into office don't care what we're saying. At all. As much as I wanted to believe the speeches, emails, calls, faxes, letters and the tremendous outpouring of opposition to the democrat anti-gun bills would make a difference, their minds were made up. Period.

The Democrat party is being led by a person who was raised by both Marxist & Muslim families; how could a person make a mistake and vote for these people? After what happened in '94, there is no mistake in voting for a Democrat; they are gun grabbing sacks of shit that will destroy your freedoms as fast as they can. It does not matter whether one or two are any good or not; as a collective, this is what happens.

Clint45
03-05-2013, 10:24
Well that is nice. What he is saying is that there is no limit on the State via its founding document (US and State constitutions), so long as the majority want X.

Only "the majority" of his campaign contributors. The majority of Coloradans . . . regardless of how they feel about gun ownership . . . are not in favor of passing new laws imprisoning their friends, family members, neighbors, and co-workers simply for continuing to exercise rights that were perfectly legal up til now. Once people are FULLY INFORMED about what these ill proposed laws entail (in the small print) and what the lasting implications are, they quickly realize it is a bad thing that will cause far more problems than it will solve. It will not prevent mass shootings or keep guns out of the hands of criminals . . . it will simply oppress gun owners with the threat of prison for failing to abide by the new rules.

Ronin13
03-05-2013, 10:32
Carl, first off, I concur 100%, well put! Second, you forgot to mention Rep. Fields... she is the queen of tyranical power in our state legislature. She is the one, for those that don't remember, that stated her sponsoring these bills was based on emotion. She joins a long list of "victims" of gun violence who have made it their crusade in life (no I didn't mince words) to ban guns, with the seedy likes of Brady, Giffords, and fellow grabbers. I don't care if you lost someone to gang bangers, you don't have the right to go after law abiding citizens who just wish to live their lives and practice the rights endowed by our creator (whoever you choose to believe that is) and protected from low-lifes like you government types by the US Constitution. ARG! These demonazis piss me off and they all need to be brought to justice! [Mad]

Dingo
03-05-2013, 10:37
Carl, first off, I concur 100%, well put! Second, you forgot to mention Rep. Fields... she is the queen of tyranical power in our state legislature. She is the one, for those that don't remember, that stated her sponsoring these bills was based on emotion. She joins a long list of "victims" of gun violence who have made it their crusade in life (no I didn't mince words) to ban guns, with the seedy likes of Brady, Giffords, and fellow grabbers. I don't care if you lost someone to gang bangers, you don't have the right to go after law abiding citizens who just wish to live their lives and practice the rights endowed by our creator (whoever you choose to believe that is) and protected from low-lifes like you government types by the US Constitution. ARG! These demonazis piss me off and they all need to be brought to justice! [Mad]

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm fucking sick of these ignorant, weak-kneed, emotional PMS cases like Brady and Giffords, taking out all of their passive-aggressive, bleeding-heart emotional baggage on the rest of the populace who DIDN'T shoot them. All because they can't stick it to the person that affected their lives negatively. We're easy targets because we obey the laws to begin with. Or at least until we reach THAT point we all keep alluding to, and which seems to be edging closer in the background of our minds with each new draconian oppression.........

Jer
03-05-2013, 10:47
A nice clean vote along party lines. When does the civil disobedience start?

July 1st, 2013.

bcolorado
03-05-2013, 11:17
BG I agree and declared it at the Capitol Monday.



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DYoung
03-05-2013, 11:34
Originally Posted by ben4372
A nice clean vote along party lines. When does the civil disobedience start?





July 1st, 2013.



So far the bills have only passed out of Senate committees. They have to pass a vote of the whole Senate. There is still a remote chance that three democrats will vote no on some of the bills.

HoneyBadger
03-05-2013, 12:28
You don't compromise with cancer. You either get rid of it, or it gets rid of you.


Congrats! You've earned some real estate in my sig line along with Bert!

Inconel710
03-05-2013, 12:42
I have been trying to figure out how John Morse state senate district 11, got elected in El Paso county, so I did some research and found this from his election. I sure hope we just learned something from splitting the Republican vote with the Libertarian party. The way I look at it, today should have went differently.

El Paso County: State Senate District 11 Election Results
Owen Hill vs. John Morse vs. Douglas Randall

Results
District 11
100% reporting ( 81 precincts )
Candidate or Ballot-Vote Vote percentage Vote count
John Morse (Dem) 48.1% (13,451)
Owen Hill (GOP) 47.2% (13,199)
Douglas Randall (Lib) 4.5% (1,258)
Last Updated Nov. 3, 2010.

You can thank redistricting for getting John Morse elected. Take a look at the shape of District 11. By including Manitou, Old Colorado City, and the southern half of Colorado Springs, then leaving out the area around Fort Carson and the Broadmore, it pretty much ensured a Democrat got elected. Not to mention all of the shenanigans Owen Hill had to pull just to be eligible for that district.

http://www.coloradogopwomen.org/maps/2013-senate-districts

MED
03-05-2013, 13:18
Unfortunately, all the districts are like that now in Colorado. The Dem(rats) put a lot of work in the 2000 and 2010 redistricting with a stacked court to help. My senate district includes parts of Denver and Boulder Counties to washout the votes of the mountain communities in west Jefferson and Gilpin counties. The whole thing is pretty sick.

Inconel710
03-05-2013, 14:14
Unfortunately, all the districts are like that now in Colorado. The Dem(rats) put a lot of work in the 2000 and 2010 redistricting with a stacked court to help. My senate district includes parts of Denver and Boulder Counties to washout the votes of the mountain communities in west Jefferson and Gilpin counties. The whole thing is pretty sick.

It's funny though isn't it? We were all taught way back in high school US History that "gerrymandering" was bad, and yet, that's how the game is played today. Both sides do it, giving each other safe districts if the legislature is balanced or ramrodding their plan through if they have a majority. There have been ballot initiatives to create more compact districts based solely on population and existing city or county lines in a few states so far, but they are fought tooth and nail by whichever party stands to lose and then watered down if passed (see Ammendments 5 & 6 in Florida).

Bailey Guns
03-05-2013, 16:27
BG I agree and declared it at the Capitol Monday.



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You in the black jacket with Tyranny vs Liberty sign?

Outstanding!

jslo
03-05-2013, 18:18
Time for a quote update based on the changing times.

If by 18 you're not a liberal, you have no heart.
If by 19 you're not a conservative, you have no brain.