Anti-government extremist groups increasing, say experts

[muddywings]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/05/us/splc-extremist-groups-report/index.html?hpt=hp_t2#cnn-disqus-area

(CNN) -- The number of American "patriot" extremist groups has reached a record level, according to a new study, and experts are warning of a wave of anti-government violence.
A report released Tuesday by the Southern Poverty Law Center (http://www.splcenter.org/)counted 1,360 "patriot" extremist groups in 2012 -- up by 7% from 2011. The study defines patriot groups as anti-government militias driven by their fear that authorities will strip them of their guns and liberties.
"They believe the Constitution is being raped. With hate groups, things are going to get worse because they feel like they're in battle," said David Gletty a former FBI informant who spent time undercover with various militia and extremist groups. "It's not surprising with their hatred of President (Barack) Obama that there are even more hate groups out there."
The study said California has the most patriot extremist groups, with 81.
The SPLC report also offers a bit of good news: The number of "immigrant-bashing" extremist groups -- so-called nativism organizations -- is way down from 2011, falling by 88%.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/130305113720-splc-patriot-groups-story-top.jpg'Patriot' groups 1995-2012 (click to expand)



Related: Oberlin College cancels classes to address racial incidents (http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/04/us/ohio-oberlin-hate-incidents/index.html)
The new statistics come after a string of crimes linked to extremist groups. A year ago, a Michigan militia leader and his son pleaded guilty (http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/29/us/michigan-militia-pleas)to federal gun charges. Last August, a 40-year-old ex-soldier-turned singer for a white supremacist rock band shot up a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin, (http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/07/us/wisconsin-shooting-music)killing six people, before taking his own life. A few weeks later, a group of Georgia men was linked to an anti-government militia plot to assassinate Obama (http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/11/us/georgia-soldiers-plot).
Obama's election as the first African-American president and his pro-gun control stance have fueled the increase in anti-government groups, according to the report.
The rise in such groups echoes a period almost 20 years ago around the time when Congress passed the 1993 Brady Bill and the 1994 ban on assault weapons, the SPLC said. That legislation came near a period of infamous and deadly anti-government violence in Waco, Texas; Ruby Ridge, Idaho; and Oklahoma City, "and led to the first wave of the patriot movement," the report said.
They are in a battle in their minds. Their backs are against the wall.
David Gletty, ex-FBI informant



"They are in a battle in their minds," Gletty warned. "Their backs are against the wall."
Right now, most of the fringe elements characterized in this report hate the government more than they do specific races. They hate everyone, Gletty said.
Now a private investigator, Gletty spent years undercover as an FBI informant watching the internal workings of white supremacist groups.
The groups named in the SPLC study came from information compiled from "field reports, Patriot publications, the Internet, law enforcement sources and news reports."
Other highlights of the report include:
-- The state with the most neo-Nazi groups: California, with 9.
-- The state with the most Ku Klux Klan groups: Texas, with 26.
-- The report breaks out a group it calls "Christian Identity," which the SLPC defines as "a religion that is fundamentally racist and anti-Semitic." Texas has the most, with five.
-- Another category in the report, called "General Hate," is defined as groups that are anti-gay, Holocaust deniers, racist musicians or radical traditionalist Catholics. California has the most such groups, with 37.
"The country needs to do better," the report's author, Mark Potok, wrote in an editorial. The Department of Homeland Security, he said, needs to act to avoid a repeat of the kind of hate-based violence the nation saw in the 1990s.



Break Break

Timing is interesting. I wonder why???
Just remember, be civil when talking to elected officials. The last thing you need is to be put on a watch list.

[waxthis]

Now what the hell could cause this to be happening?.......................[Bang]

[HBARleatherneck]

the violence at Ruby Ridge and Waco, wasnt anti government violence. It was violence DONE by the government against innocents. nice propaganda though.


The rise in such groups echoes a period almost 20 years ago around the time when Congress passed the 1993 Brady Bill and the 1994 ban on assault weapons, the SPLC said. That legislation came near a period of infamous and deadly anti-government violence in Waco, Texas; Ruby Ridge, Idaho; and Oklahoma City, "and led to the first wave of the patriot movement," the report said

[trlcavscout]

Keep rattling the cage and eventually the door opens and you get bit.

[wARmachine15]

Anything that uses the SPLC as a source loses all credibility.

[XC700116]

Yet they still don't get it through their thick skulls that these groups aren't the extremists, the leftist govt is.

[muddywings]

"Anti-Government Extremist Groups"= "Patriot Extremist"=people who believe in the 2nd Amendment=people who believe in taking care of themselves=people who don't think government should coddle the lazy=etc etc....

Where is Galt's Gulch again?

[cstone]

Anything that uses the SPLC as a source loses all credibility.

CNN quoting SPLC = double win [Flower]

[dwalker460]

Ruby Ridge was not even about an extremist group, it was just a guy living with his family in a cabin on some remote land.

[Kraven251]

so at ~1400 groups, we are sitting on a damned powder keg.

[Dingo]

"Right now, most of the fringe elements characterized in this report hate the government more than they do specific races. They hate everyone."

Awww... I'm a fringe element, fellas. Is that the SPLC's nice, PC way of saying "Ok, it's not just inbred, neo-nazi, military-fetishists hating the government anymore. They're actually looking uncomfortably closer to regular, average folks..."

[vossman]

I'm most worried about the racist musicians.

[baglock1]

I'm most worried about the racist musicians.

You think they include "Rage Against the Machine" in there? Naw, probably not.

[Dingo]

You think they include "Rage Against the Machine" in there? Naw, probably not.

Because they're not musicians.

[asmo]

Wait.. I am pro-gay, pro-Israel, pro-whatever_race_you_are, pro-military, pro-gun and pro-choice.. I hate nazis (especially Illinois Nazis) and extremists of all sorts --- but I fear the government.

Which hate group does that put me in? Do I get a sticker or a membership card?

[Bailey Guns]

Wait.. I am pro-gay, pro-Israel, pro-whatever_race_you_are, pro-military, pro-gun and pro-choice.. I hate nazis (especially Illinois Nazis) and extremists of all sorts --- but I fear the government.

Which hate group does that put me in? Do I get a sticker or a membership card?

Damn... You might have to start your own.

[Ronin13]

Damn... You might have to start your own.
Shoot, I'll join that group though!

[sellersm]

Wait.. I am pro-gay, pro-Israel, pro-whatever_race_you_are, pro-military, pro-gun and pro-choice.. I hate nazis (especially Illinois Nazis) and extremists of all sorts --- but I fear the government.

Which hate group does that put me in? Do I get a sticker or a membership card?

That would be one HUGE sticker! [LOL]

This stuff is just nuts... Who is John Galt?

[Rucker61]

Radical traditionalist Catholics used to scare me, but now they're leaderless.

[cstone]

Radical traditionalist Catholics used to scare me, but now they're leaderless.

Mel Gibson is still very much in charge. [LOL]

Criminal Cannibals would disagree with your sig.

[jackthewall81]

Yet they still don't get it through their thick skulls that these groups aren't the extremists, the leftist govt is.
How are neo-Nazis and KKK groups not extremist? They are very dangerous groups.

[Goodburbon]

How are neo-Nazis and KKK groups not extremist? They are very dangerous groups.


It's not a rise in the number of neo nazi groups. it's a rise in the number of "patriot" groups.


Patriots are the new enemy.

[Bailey Guns]

Patriots are the new enemy.

I guess I'm the new enemy. I'm good with that.

[blacklabel]

How many of these describe you:


Expressions of libertarian philosophies (statements, bumper stickers)
Second Amendment-oriented views (NRA or gun club membership, holding a CCW permit)
Survivalist literature (fictional books such as “Patriots” and “One Second After” are mentioned by name)
Self-sufficiency (stockpiling food, ammo, hand tools, medical supplies)
Fear of economic collapse (buying gold and barter items)
Religious views concerning the book of Revelation (apocalypse, anti-Christ)
Expressed fears of Big Brother or big government
Homeschooling
Declarations of Constitutional rights and civil liberties
Belief in a New World Order conspiracy


Congratulations! You're a potential domestic terrorist. Now hang out with a group of like minded individuals and again, congratulations, you're an anti-government extremist group.

[Bailey Guns]

Dammit. I only scored 7 outta 10. Ima hafta work harder.

[blacklabel]

I'm at a 9 out of 10. Not too shabby.

[josh7328]

Dammit. I only scored 7 outta 10. Ima hafta work harder.
Communist.

[Sharpienads]

Break Break

Timing is interesting. I wonder why???
Just remember, be civil when talking to elected officials. The last thing you need is to be put on a watch list.

If you're not already on a watch list, you're doing it wrong!


How many of these describe you:


Expressions of libertarian philosophies (statements, bumper stickers)
Second Amendment-oriented views (NRA or gun club membership, holding a CCW permit)
Survivalist literature (fictional books such as “Patriots” and “One Second After” are mentioned by name)
Self-sufficiency (stockpiling food, ammo, hand tools, medical supplies)
Fear of economic collapse (buying gold and barter items)
Religious views concerning the book of Revelation (apocalypse, anti-Christ)
Expressed fears of Big Brother or big government
Homeschooling
Declarations of Constitutional rights and civil liberties
Belief in a New World Order conspiracy


Congratulations! You're a potential domestic terrorist. Now hang out with a group of like minded individuals and again, congratulations, you're an anti-government extremist group.

7.5 out of 10. Mrs Sharpienads and I don't have any kids, but have talked about home schooling. So I'll give myself half a point for that one.

[jackthewall81]

How many of these describe you:


Expressions of libertarian philosophies (statements, bumper stickers)
Second Amendment-oriented views (NRA or gun club membership, holding a CCW permit)
Survivalist literature (fictional books such as “Patriots” and “One Second After” are mentioned by name)
Self-sufficiency (stockpiling food, ammo, hand tools, medical supplies)
Fear of economic collapse (buying gold and barter items)
Religious views concerning the book of Revelation (apocalypse, anti-Christ)
Expressed fears of Big Brother or big government
Homeschooling
Declarations of Constitutional rights and civil liberties
Belief in a New World Order conspiracy


Congratulations! You're a potential domestic terrorist. Now hang out with a group of like minded individuals and again, congratulations, you're an anti-government extremist group.
9 out of 10 Jesus.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

To quote the late Elheuro, "there's nothing I can see here without getting into trouble"...

[Fmedges]

You forgot that if you're a veteran your automatically a potential domestic terrorist.

[Ah Pook]

6 out of 10. Guess I'm not extremest enough. [Shy] But I'm really vehement about those six.

[Sharpienads]

You forgot that if you're a veteran your automatically a potential domestic terrorist.

Yeah, how fucked up is that?


6 out of 10. Guess I'm not extremest enough. [Shy] But I'm really vehement about those six.

What you lack in quantity you make up for in quality. Welcome to the club!

[TEAMRICO]

7 out of 10.... I'm gonna need to add more bumper stickers!

Im a veteran......at least I got that going for me.

now back to stocking up on my band aids................

[wARmachine15]

5/7. I'll try harder. I want to be extreme.

[Byte Stryke]

I wonder if it might be that more people are afraid of a tyrannical government?

I dunno... rumor I heard on my way to the range after the canning festival in my SUV covered in "NOBAMA" Stickers

[Goodburbon]

7/10

[Bailey Guns]

Communist.

No shit. Where my free stuff at?

[bogie]

How many of these describe you:


Expressions of libertarian philosophies (statements, bumper stickers)
Second Amendment-oriented views (NRA or gun club membership, holding a CCW permit)
Survivalist literature (fictional books such as “Patriots” and “One Second After” are mentioned by name)
Self-sufficiency (stockpiling food, ammo, hand tools, medical supplies)
Fear of economic collapse (buying gold and barter items)
Religious views concerning the book of Revelation (apocalypse, anti-Christ)
Expressed fears of Big Brother or big government
Homeschooling
Declarations of Constitutional rights and civil liberties
Belief in a New World Order conspiracy


Congratulations! You're a potential domestic terrorist. Now hang out with a group of like minded individuals and again, congratulations, you're an anti-government extremist group.

I think a site wide poll is in order to make it easier for the gov to condemn us.

[SG1]

Anything that uses the SPLC as a source loses all credibility.

Southern Poverty Lie Center....nothing more...

[roberth]

8/10

The bible has nothing to do with what is happening now.
There isn't a NWO conspiracy, we're witnessing the natural decline of a nation. History repeats because people don't learn.

[HoneyBadger]

WOW. They just labeled anyone on their "lists" as being a violent and racist hate group!



...And because I don't want new gun laws, I have no common sense, right?...[facepalm] These people can say literally ANYTHING and most people will believe it.

[alxone]

These people can say literally ANYTHING and most people will believe it.sad but true [gohome]

[buffalobo]

SPLC is almost as dangerous an organization as fed. govt.

[muddywings]

How many of these describe you:


Expressions of libertarian philosophies (statements, bumper stickers)
Second Amendment-oriented views (NRA or gun club membership, holding a CCW permit)
Survivalist literature (fictional books such as “Patriots” and “One Second After” are mentioned by name)
Self-sufficiency (stockpiling food, ammo, hand tools, medical supplies)
Fear of economic collapse (buying gold and barter items)
Religious views concerning the book of Revelation (apocalypse, anti-Christ)
Expressed fears of Big Brother or big government
Homeschooling
Declarations of Constitutional rights and civil liberties
Belief in a New World Order conspiracy


Congratulations! You're a potential domestic terrorist. Now hang out with a group of like minded individuals and again, congratulations, you're an anti-government extremist group.

utoh...8 out of 9!
yes I can count. No homeschooling for me. No kids and I'm snipped. Although my wife and I talked that if we changed our mind and adopted, then we would home school.
WHERE IS MY TINFOIL!!!!! [tinhat]

[MED]

I pasted this in the other thread too:

You got to love the direction of this country, when a person would be labeled a terrorist for being a Jeffersonian.

This place is so jacked...WTF!

[ford_muscle1]

9 out of 10! Hell Yeah! Plus i'm a veteran guess i'm just extra exteremist.

[zteknik]

All enemies,foriegn or domestic...

[Ronin13]

WOW. They just labeled anyone on their "lists" as being a violent and racist hate group!



...And because I don't want new gun laws, I have no common sense, right?...[facepalm] These people can say literally ANYTHING and most people will believe it.
Worse- people eat it up, and allow them to say whatever they want. Something tells me someone, somewhere is doing it wrong- you're supposed to create criminals out of honest folks AFTER you rid yourself of crime...

All enemies,foriegn or domestic...
True that!

[Clint45]

SPLC is almost as dangerous an organization as fed. govt.

You have no idea what they are capable of. Very well funded, incredibly nasty tactics, and zero oversight . . . some of the things they've done in the past made front page news nationwide, only SPLC was never directly connected to them. In a couple of those instances, I can understand why they did what they did and have little sympathy for the groups they used them against, but holy shit that is some seriously spooky shit they are involved with. Don't ever make the mistake of underestimating them as a bunch of hand-wringing, bleeding-heart pansies . . . they are scary and well connected. It is one thing to be on their list, but once you get on their radar and they focus their resources on you, you're in serious trouble. Fortunately, they mostly focus on high profile troublemakers who everyone hates (except maybe other hate groups).

[Kraven251]

So anyone know if we are on the list?

[Byte Stryke]

So anyone know if we are on the list?
if you have to ask, order pizza for the guys in the van down the street

[Fromk]

Expressions of libertarian philosophies (statements, bumper stickers) - Yes but I'm anti-bumper sticker.
Second Amendment-oriented views (NRA or gun club membership, holding a CCW permit) - I guess but I'd say I'm "all amendment-orientated."
Survivalist literature (fictional books such as “Patriots” and “One Second After” are mentioned by name) - Nope
Self-sufficiency (stockpiling food, ammo, hand tools, medical supplies) - No
Fear of economic collapse (buying gold and barter items) - Nope.
Religious views concerning the book of Revelation (apocalypse, anti-Christ) - Not at all.
Expressed fears of Big Brother or big government - Kinda
Homeschooling - No
Declarations of Constitutional rights and civil liberties - Yes
Belief in a New World Order conspiracy - No

3.5 here.I don't know where that puts me. Can I still be trusted here?

[TEAMRICO]

Expressions of libertarian philosophies (statements, bumper stickers) - Yes but I'm anti-bumper sticker.
Second Amendment-oriented views (NRA or gun club membership, holding a CCW permit) - I guess but I'd say I'm "all amendment-orientated."
Survivalist literature (fictional books such as “Patriots” and “One Second After” are mentioned by name) - Nope
Self-sufficiency (stockpiling food, ammo, hand tools, medical supplies) - No
Fear of economic collapse (buying gold and barter items) - Nope.
Religious views concerning the book of Revelation (apocalypse, anti-Christ) - Not at all.
Expressed fears of Big Brother or big government - Kinda
Homeschooling - No
Declarations of Constitutional rights and civil liberties - Yes
Belief in a New World Order conspiracy - No

3.5 here.I don't know where that puts me. Can I still be trusted here?


Just fudge your scores if you want to fit in here.
I would personally not trust a 3.5er..........5 or more maybe.

[blacklabel]

Expressions of libertarian philosophies (statements, bumper stickers) - Yes but I'm anti-bumper sticker.
Second Amendment-oriented views (NRA or gun club membership, holding a CCW permit) - I guess but I'd say I'm "all amendment-orientated."
Survivalist literature (fictional books such as “Patriots” and “One Second After” are mentioned by name) - Nope
Self-sufficiency (stockpiling food, ammo, hand tools, medical supplies) - No
Fear of economic collapse (buying gold and barter items) - Nope.
Religious views concerning the book of Revelation (apocalypse, anti-Christ) - Not at all.
Expressed fears of Big Brother or big government - Kinda
Homeschooling - No
Declarations of Constitutional rights and civil liberties - Yes
Belief in a New World Order conspiracy - No

3.5 here.I don't know where that puts me. Can I still be trusted here?

Read One Second After. You'll be at 5.5 within a couple of weeks.

[blacklabel]

Rand Paul is going off about libertarians being considered persons to be concerned about right now in his filibuster.

[crob1]

How many of these describe you:


Expressions of libertarian philosophies (statements, bumper stickers)
Second Amendment-oriented views (NRA or gun club membership, holding a CCW permit)
Survivalist literature (fictional books such as “Patriots” and “One Second After” are mentioned by name)
Self-sufficiency (stockpiling food, ammo, hand tools, medical supplies)
Fear of economic collapse (buying gold and barter items)
Religious views concerning the book of Revelation (apocalypse, anti-Christ)
Expressed fears of Big Brother or big government
Homeschooling
Declarations of Constitutional rights and civil liberties
Belief in a New World Order conspiracy


Congratulations! You're a potential domestic terrorist. Now hang out with a group of like minded individuals and again, congratulations, you're an anti-government extremist group.

10/10 here!! i mUst Be A WHaCk JoB.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

[werdo]

[jerrymrc]

[werdo]

Like you have room to talk......[LOL]

[merl]

So anyone know if we are on the list?

we would be on a shorter list if this forum were not visible to the public

[husky390]

How many of these describe you:


Expressions of libertarian philosophies (statements, bumper stickers)
Second Amendment-oriented views (NRA or gun club membership, holding a CCW permit)
Survivalist literature (fictional books such as “Patriots” and “One Second After” are mentioned by name)
Self-sufficiency (stockpiling food, ammo, hand tools, medical supplies)
Fear of economic collapse (buying gold and barter items)
Religious views concerning the book of Revelation (apocalypse, anti-Christ)
Expressed fears of Big Brother or big government
Homeschooling
Declarations of Constitutional rights and civil liberties
Belief in a New World Order conspiracy


Congratulations! You're a potential domestic terrorist. Now hang out with a group of like minded individuals and again, congratulations, you're an anti-government extremist group.

Oh shit, does that mean a drone is watching me?

The SPLC is a hate group

[Great-Kazoo]

we would be on a shorter list if this forum were not visible to the public

[ROFL2][LOL][ROFL3][ROFL1] How many actually believe that?

[blacklabel]

[ROFL2][LOL][ROFL3][ROFL1] How many actually believe that?

I couldn't decide if he meant that they'd be looking at us more closely or if we'd be less scrutinized.

[68Charger]

10/10 here!! i mUst Be A WHaCk JoB.

I was 10/10 at one point- now I'm probably an 8.5/10... too many conspiracy theories de-bunked by doing my homework... so now I don't trust some groups that say I shouldn't trust the gov't!!

Is that an improvement, or am I in more in the "just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you" category?

[Aloha_Shooter]

The SPLC is a hate group ...

[SG1]

You have no idea what they are capable of. Very well funded, incredibly nasty tactics, and zero oversight . . . some of the things they've done in the past made front page news nationwide, only SPLC was never directly connected to them. In a couple of those instances, I can understand why they did what they did and have little sympathy for the groups they used them against, but holy shit that is some seriously spooky shit they are involved with. Don't ever make the mistake of underestimating them as a bunch of hand-wringing, bleeding-heart pansies . . . they are scary and well connected. It is one thing to be on their list, but once you get on their radar and they focus their resources on you, you're in serious trouble. Fortunately, they mostly focus on high profile troublemakers who everyone hates (except maybe other hate groups).

A Small EMP device, or a group of paid chinese hackers will take them down...just a playful thought.

[Kraven251]

if you have to ask, order pizza for the guys in the van down the street

They sent it back, apparently they are vegans from Cali.

[Clint45]

A Small EMP device, or a group of paid chinese hackers will take them down...just a playful thought.

You don't understand . . . they are operating as a privately funded intelligence agency under the radar with no oversight . . . they also are well connected with DOJ. The silly website thing with a checklist of "you might be a political extremist if" stuff is a distraction so people do not take them seriously. As far as I know, their actual targets have been very specific. Aside from propaganda like the stupid checklist giving Libtarded relatives and co-workers incentive and "justification" to inform on people like ourselves, they present little actual threat to individuals not actively involved in hate groups.

[TS12000]

8/10 sweet. I distinctly remember that once upon a time when vets came home we thanked them and looked up to them as heroes, guardians of freedom, not terrorists. I also think it was once an honorable trait to distrust the government. Too bad we've wandered off that path...

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Like you have room to talk......[LOL]

Touché. You got me there!

[dwalker460]

How many of these describe you:


Expressions of libertarian philosophies (statements, bumper stickers) No bumper stickers, I prefer not to give warnings, but I do post Conservative views often on teh intrawebz
Second Amendment-oriented views (NRA or gun club membership, holding a CCW permit) check
Survivalist literature (fictional books such as “Patriots” and “One Second After” are mentioned by name) check, I even have the Foxfire books etc.
Self-sufficiency (stockpiling food, ammo, hand tools, medical supplies) Check, little light on med supplies but working on that
Fear of economic collapse (buying gold and barter items) Not in particular fear of economic collapse, but I carry very little debt, deal in cash a lot, and have a fair number of assets just in case
Religious views concerning the book of Revelation (apocalypse, anti-Christ) Duh, Southern Baptist y0
Expressed fears of Big Brother or big government I dont fear my government, but they should fear me
Homeschooling Not yet, but very likely private school for the little guy
Declarations of Constitutional rights and civil liberties Check
Belief in a New World Order conspiracy Not particularly, but I do believe that there is a Liberal Agenda that has been in place for about the last half century hell bent to control the American populace through fear, class envy, and other socialist methods


Congratulations! You're a potential domestic terrorist. Now hang out with a group of like minded individuals and again, congratulations, you're an anti-government extremist group.


Not as high a score as some I guess

[Ronin13]

Okay, I'll play!
"How many of these describe you:



Expressions of libertarian philosophies (statements, bumper stickers) -Yes
Second Amendment-oriented views (NRA or gun club membership, holding a CCW permit) -Yes
Survivalist literature (fictional books such as “Patriots” and “One Second After” are mentioned by name) -Yes
Self-sufficiency (stockpiling food, ammo, hand tools, medical supplies) -Yes
Fear of economic collapse (buying gold and barter items) -Not really
Religious views concerning the book of Revelation (apocalypse, anti-Christ) -I believe there will be an apocalypse someday, and I do believe in the anti-Christ... not entirely sure they'll occur anytime soon.
Expressed fears of Big Brother or big government -I don't exactly fear the government, but I fear that they will try and make me out to be a criminal based on my views on liberty.
Homeschooling -No kids, yet, but I intend to have my future children either homeschooled or enrolled in a private school.
Declarations of Constitutional rights and civil liberties -Call me Jefferson
Belief in a New World Order conspiracy -No, let me rephrase, hell no! I'm not AJ. [Coffee] <No offense intended to those who answered yes to this or believe in some NWO>


8/10? Ish... And I've joked with a friend who is a contractor for DHS that my name must come across his desk frequently due to me being on probably several lists.

[Aloha_Shooter]

How many of these describe you:


Expressions of libertarian philosophies (statements, bumper stickers) I don't do bumper stickers but I do have an empty chair on the front lawn
Second Amendment-oriented views (NRA or gun club membership, holding a CCW permit) Kind of hard to hide the NRA patch on my leather jacket
Survivalist literature (fictional books such as “Patriots” and “One Second After” are mentioned by name) Neither of the aforementioned but I DO have numerous books on surviving disasters such as National Geographic's Complete Survival Manual, Osprey's Camping & Wilderness Survival Guide, some doctor's Wilderness First Aid manual, etc.
Self-sufficiency (stockpiling food, ammo, hand tools, medical supplies) but dang, I'm a Scout leader! Of COURSE, I have 4 stoves, 4 lanterns, a full first aid kit, 6 gallons of white gas, etc.
Fear of economic collapse (buying gold and barter items) No comment but I'd appreciate any would-be thieves to let me know how many and what diameter holes they want in them
Religious views concerning the book of Revelation (apocalypse, anti-Christ) You don't have to be religious to recognize societal collapse or the political leaders who are accelerating it
Expressed fears of Big Brother or big government What, me worry?
Homeschooling Damned right I would if I had kids
Declarations of Constitutional rights and civil liberties I prefer quoting Madison to Jefferson these days
Belief in a New World Order conspiracy Never blame evil conspiracies when incompetence, negligence, stupidity and simple greed will suffice


60% used to be considered barely passing but it's probably an 'A' in today's education system ...

[SG1]

You don't understand . . . they are operating as a privately funded intelligence agency under the radar with no oversight . . . they also are well connected with DOJ. The silly website thing with a checklist of "you might be a political extremist if" stuff is a distraction so people do not take them seriously. As far as I know, their actual targets have been very specific. Aside from propaganda like the stupid checklist giving Libtarded relatives and co-workers incentive and "justification" to inform on people like ourselves, they present little actual threat to individuals not actively involved in hate groups.

Its funny they call us a threat, yet the have "list of undesirables"

Who of a threat, skin-heads? or a groups of Marxist thugs who will stop at nothing to turn America into a 3rd world Marxist prison?

I ask, who?

I am a 10 out of 10....

[KestrelBike]

Expressions of libertarian philosophies (statements, bumper stickers) - Yes but I'm anti-bumper sticker.
Second Amendment-oriented views (NRA or gun club membership, holding a CCW permit) - I guess but I'd say I'm "all amendment-orientated."
Survivalist literature (fictional books such as “Patriots” and “One Second After” are mentioned by name) - Nope
Self-sufficiency (stockpiling food, ammo, hand tools, medical supplies) - No
Fear of economic collapse (buying gold and barter items) - Nope.
Religious views concerning the book of Revelation (apocalypse, anti-Christ) - Not at all.
Expressed fears of Big Brother or big government - Kinda
Homeschooling - No
Declarations of Constitutional rights and civil liberties - Yes
Belief in a New World Order conspiracy - No

3.5 here.I don't know where that puts me. Can I still be trusted here?

Sorry but your ammo stock for 3gun Easily constitutes a stockpile in the eyes of the nightly news!

[Fmedges]

A pretty good read.
http://www.newswithviews.com/NWV-News/news336.htm

[HBARleatherneck]

http://www.ar-15.co/threads/92643-Anti-government-extremist-groups-increasing-say-experts?highlight=hate+group

[NightCat]

Interesting...95 there was a large increase then it died down...

..figure, 94 was AWB Ver. 1.....looks like people calmed down and started to accept it as it came to a close..

Be interesting to see what the pattern looks like if AWB Ver. 2 passes...and what will happen come 2016...

[rondog]

I'd bet that most all gun forums are lumped into that as "extremist groups". And they think the numbers are high now, let's see what happens if Hillary and Michelle run together on the same ticket. Hooo-weeee.

[NightCat]

I'd bet that most all gun forums are lumped into that as "extremist groups". And they think the numbers are high now, let's see what happens if Hillary and Michelle run together on the same ticket. Hooo-weeee.

Answer: Civil war

[streetglideok]

Interesting...95 there was a large increase then it died down...

..figure, 94 was AWB Ver. 1.....looks like people calmed down and started to accept it as it came to a close..

Be interesting to see what the pattern looks like if AWB Ver. 2 passes...and what will happen come 2016...

Accepting was a part of it, but up until 1995, there was a growing movement. It was almost considered cool to be in a militia. Then April 1995 came, and 3 tons of explosives, or something along those lines brought down the Murrah building. Once they labeled McVeigh, and painted him as this militia man hell bent on war, everyone suddenly shutup and quickly left the clubs.