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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/05/tsa-allows-knives-on-board/
[Dance]
Oh goodie.. I can take my 'old timer' on board. .5 inches wide.. blah.
Bailey Guns
03-05-2013, 16:20
OMG! Carnage in the air will surely follow.
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Does this mean we can all have our previously confiscated shit back?
Oh wait, I forgot.....they divvy that stuff up and take it home....
Scalping Knives to defend against terrorist attacks.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_LYtPJwBD1ng/SVuaOBIS4oI/AAAAAAAANb0/ai5bZjg-nZQ/s400/Scalping%2520engraving.jpg
Oh goodie.. I can take my 'old timer' on board. .5 inches wide.. blah.
Or something like this:
http://www.smkw.com/webapp/eCommerce/products/SOG/SOG%C2%AE+Bluto%26%23153%3B+with+Blue+Finish/SOGBL01.html
mtnrider
03-05-2013, 17:11
This is just a bad idea for so many reasons. They think this will cut down on there work load. I say it's going to triple it. I can just see 1 TSA guy letting you go through and on your return trip that TSA guy thinks your knife is too "agressive" and conficates it.
I say stick with no knifes period on aircraft. There is no missunderstandings, there is no misinterpetation of the rule, it's just none.
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soldier-of-the-apocalypse
03-05-2013, 17:19
Spyderco cricket? http://www.blade-empire.com/Spyderco_Knives/Cricket-VG_10_Handle-Serrated-SD-C29PS.jpg
soldier-of-the-apocalypse
03-05-2013, 17:21
How about a BOX CUTTER? this is dumb
mtnrider
03-05-2013, 17:26
How about a BOX CUTTER? this is dumb
My thoughts exactly. That's all it took last time. Will we ever learn? How soon they forget...
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bigshane
03-05-2013, 17:27
It's fleshed out much better than what you can glean from a Fox News blurb-story.
http://www.tsa.gov/sites/default/files/assets/pdf/tsa_permitted_items_update.pdf
mtnrider
03-05-2013, 17:31
So is the TSA going to sit there with a pair of micrometers and measure every knife. This is a very, very BAD idea. Our safety is at risk, TSA work load is going to go up. There is nothing good to come out of this.
Just stick you knife in your checked luggage and be done with it.
dwalker460
03-05-2013, 17:47
So is the TSA going to sit there with a pair of micrometers and measure every knife.
No, they will just see if its a small knife, like a Swiss Army or Penknife and if its small folding knife then they will let ya on through.Box cutters are apparently still on the no fly list.
This is a very, very BAD idea. Our safety is at risk, TSA work load is going to go up. There is nothing good to come out of this.
Just stick you knife in your checked luggage and be done with it.
TSA can kiss my ass. They have a simple job to do and do it so poorly we are the laffing stock of the world. Worse is they have a serious ego and power trip going on that needs to be crushed.
Our safety is ALWAYS at risk. I fly a lot. Just got back from the West coast this time last week. I never feel safe on an airplane. I cannot have my firearm nor a knife to protect myself. If I die because of some asshat wanna be terrorist or pussy hijacker, its on the head of TSA and the goberment, because they TOOK AWAY my right to defend myself in the name of "security" which does not exist, and put me at the mercy of those who ignore the laws. There is nothing safe about being anywhere that weapons are banned. Ever.
I also never feel safe after I get off the airplane, because I cannot easily fly with my firearms, and even if I did the entire legal system in this country is completely jacked up in regards to the carrying of firearms, and want the populace unarmed. Obviously the further I am from home, the more i feel the need to be armed, and the airlines make that as hard as they possibly can.
Its seriously about time for the society at large to sac up and stop being afraid of shadows.
newracer
03-05-2013, 17:57
So is the TSA going to sit there with a pair of micrometers and measure every knife. This is a very, very BAD idea. Our safety is at risk, TSA work load is going to go up. There is nothing good to come out of this.
Just stick you knife in your checked luggage and be done with it.
I totally disagree with the part in bold, the TSA is not protecting us. Not only should they allow all knives but they should allow firearms.
mtnrider
03-05-2013, 18:19
So to all the pro firarm on aircraft guys answer me this.
What good is your gun going to do you when you are seated in row 44 (window seat) and a terrorist and buddies with guns are sitting in row 1? He will be in the cockpit and have control of the aircraft before you can even crawl over the fat lady next to you to get out of your seat.
Also who's to say the guy next to you is as competant gun handler as you? What if he adjusts his gun and has a accidental dischage that goes right through the planes hydraulics?
FYI, I travel alot and have for the past 30 years. I'm okay not having firearms on the aircraft period.
I totally disagree with the part in bold, the TSA is not protecting us. Not only should they allow all knives but they should allow firearms.
THIS..
A knife is allowed if:
The blade is no longer than 2.36 inches or 6 centimeters in length
The blade width is no more than ½ inch at its widest point
The knife does not have a locking or fixed blade
The knife does not have a molded grip
The no locking part pretty much eliminates every single knife I would ever carry.
There's going to be a run on pocket knives.
Of many, I don't have a single knife that would be permitted. That includes a trusty old Case Trapper.
I'm fine with this. Now maybe I don't always have to check a bag in as there are certain things I don't travel without.
A knife is allowed if:
The blade is no longer than 2.36 inches or 6 centimeters in length
The blade width is no more than ½ inch at its widest point
The knife does not have a locking or fixed blade
The knife does not have a molded grip
The no locking part pretty much eliminates every single knife I would ever carry.
I'm in full agreement here. Although, it'd be nice to not have to ditch an EDC multi-tool just to board an airplane.
Tinelement
03-05-2013, 19:50
How long till someone is locked up because TSA didn't hear about this??
HoneyBadger
03-05-2013, 20:04
Okay I'll go ahead and say it on the record - and I do hope I am very wrong about this - within the year, there will be a terrorist attack involving knives on airplanes. Attack on freedom will ensue.
Please God, please let me be wrong!
I've got more knives than guns. And they're all goin with me to LA this weekend, now!
A knife is allowed if:
The blade is no longer than 2.36 inches or 6 centimeters in length
The blade width is no more than ½ inch at its widest point
The knife does not have a locking or fixed blade
The knife does not have a molded grip
The no locking part pretty much eliminates every single knife I would ever carry.
guess I'll still need to check a bag!
On second thought, the only reason this passed, is that the TSA hopes to increase the number of reportable confiscations. They want people to misread the law, try and bring a blade that is not permitted, then the confiscation will be reported as stopping a dangerous person. This will be used to fluff reports for future stats of the effectiveness of the TSA. Someone remind me how many terrorist attacks the TSA has prevented to date.
dwalker460
03-05-2013, 20:08
So to all the pro firarm on aircraft guys answer me this.
What good is your gun going to do you when you are seated in row 44 (window seat) and a terrorist and buddies with guns are sitting in row 1? He will be in the cockpit and have control of the aircraft before you can even crawl over the fat lady next to you to get out of your seat.
Cant get into the cockpit, they have locked and armored door. Even so, at least I am responsible for my safety, not relying on the "vigilance" of others, especially the TSA, who should be fired and the entire organization disbanded.
Also who's to say the guy next to you is as competant gun handler as you? What if he adjusts his gun and has a accidental dischage that goes right through the planes hydraulics?
Really? Yanno they allowed guns on planes for many many years and shockingly none of them fell out of the air because of a wayward shot from a passenger. Maybe not watch as many movies?
Suppose the guy in the lane next to me on the highway has bald spots in his tires and veers into my lane and sends me over the river and through the woods into a lake? I choose not to live in fear.
FYI, I travel alot and have for the past 30 years. I'm okay not having firearms on the aircraft period.
Well you are welcome to that opinion, as I am welcome to the opinion that anytime I am not responsible for my safety its a bad thing.
dwalker460
03-05-2013, 20:10
On second thought, the only reason this passed, is that the TSA hopes to increase the number of reportable confiscations. They want people to misread the law, try and bring a blade that is not permitted, then the confiscation will be reported as stopping a dangerous person. This will be used to fluff reports for future stats of the effectiveness of the TSA. Someone remind me how many terrorist attacks the TSA has prevented to date.
The TSA needs to be done away with, and it needs to justify its existence in a big way. Lot of complaints, few attaboys (if any).
josh7328
03-05-2013, 20:15
The TSA needs to be done away with, and it needs to justify its existence in a big way. Lot of complaints, few attaboys (if any).That would imply some form of accountability. The TSA is part of the Feds, we can't imply that the mighty Feds should have to answer to anybody, can we? Oh the anarchy!
I'll put one in each of my bags that complies and have a copy of their rules. I can't wait for this!
Byte Stryke
03-05-2013, 20:37
well thank god we are safe from Bats over 24"... I might not be able to defend myself with my hammer.
mtnrider
03-05-2013, 20:48
Cant get into the cockpit, they have locked and armored door. Even so, at least I am responsible for my safety, not relying on the "vigilance" of others, especially the TSA, who should be fired and the entire organization disbanded.
Really? Yanno they allowed guns on planes for many many years and shockingly none of them fell out of the air because of a wayward shot from a passenger. Maybe not watch as many movies?
Suppose the guy in the lane next to me on the highway has bald spots in his tires and veers into my lane and sends me over the river and through the woods into a lake? I choose not to live in fear.
Well you are welcome to that opinion, as I am welcome to the opinion that anytime I am not responsible for my safety its a bad thing.
So you feel would feel safer on a aircraft where you and bad guys have guns more so then a aircraft where NO ONE had guns? Good luck with that. Any group of 10 terrorist could just walk right on packing there guns just like you. Good ol'e western shootout on the plane.
I'm not even going to worry about it because guns will never be allowed on planes (for the general public)
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dwalker460
03-05-2013, 20:55
Obviously SOMEONE disagrees with you, because the pilots have a gun in the cockpit, and air marshals are armed. So obviously guns on a plane are a good idea.
There were no acts of terrorism or hijacking prior to firearms being banned from aircraft.
Terrorists have a habit of not going where guns are, this is why they are called terrorists and not soldiers.
Air marshals and armed pilots go through extensive training and back ground checks. Letting every swinging dick carry a gun on board a plane is a terrible idea. Mtnrider is 100% right.
Bailey Guns
03-05-2013, 21:30
So you feel would feel safer on a aircraft where you and bad guys have guns more so then a aircraft where NO ONE had guns? Good luck with that. Any group of 10 terrorist could just walk right on packing there guns just like you. Good ol'e western shootout on the plane.
I'm not even going to worry about it because guns will never be allowed on planes (for the general public)
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I don't know how old you are but, NEWSFLASH! I recall flying several times in the 60s and seeing more than one person bring a rifle case on board the plane. No telling how many had handguns since you weren't required to go through security. Funny thing...I never saw a shootout on a plane.
Your comments remind me of the liberals saying if people have concealed carry permits there's gonna be shootouts over parking spaces and the streets will run red with blood.
dwalker460
03-05-2013, 21:41
Air marshals and armed pilots go through extensive training and back ground checks. Letting every swinging dick carry a gun on board a plane is a terrible idea. Mtnrider is 100% right.
No, he is wrong, and so are you. Its the same mentality that is eroding our rights in the name of society and civilization. And its wrong.
mtnrider
03-05-2013, 21:43
I don't know how old you are but, NEWSFLASH! I recall flying several times in the 60s and seeing more than one person bring a rifle case on board the plane. No telling how many had handguns since you weren't required to go through security. Funny thing...I never saw a shootout on a plane.
Your comments remind me of the liberals saying if people have concealed carry permits there's gonna be shootouts over parking spaces and the streets will run red with blood.
I'm almost 50... and NEWSFLASH. Times have changed. We are not in the 60's anymore. I am all for conceal carry and I do myself. But to let every swinging dick on a plane with a gun in these days is not a good idea. IMO.
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Citizen_Soldier
03-05-2013, 21:45
This seems really stupid. I might have a micro sized swiss army knife I bought while living in Switzerland 6 years ago that fits this description... that's about it. The Thousands Standing Around don't need any more regulations causing security waits to take even longer.
newracer
03-05-2013, 21:52
mtnrider - the problem is the TSA cannot stop the bad guys from bringing items onto the plane if they really want to. It is all a farce to try and make us feel safe and to do "something." Allowing law abiding citizens to carry on a plane would not be any more dangerous than allowing concealed carry in any public area.
Bailey Guns
03-05-2013, 21:52
I'm almost 50... and NEWSFLASH. Times have changed. We are not in the 60's anymore. I am all for conceal carry and I do myself. But to let every swinging dick on a plane with a gun in these days is not a good idea. IMO.
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Yeah, it's not the 60s. But there could easily be a way to pre-screen qualified people with permits to carry. Similar to the pre-screening they do to get through the security lines quicker. To make a blanket statement that there would be " western shootouts" on the plane is simply ridiculous. It could be done. We, as a society, just don't have the balls to implement it because, God forbid we allow people to be responsible for their own safety.
And if "terrorists" were so apt to shoot up a plane, why aren't they doing it all over the country now with much softer, more accessible targets? I think your analysis is flawed.
Bailey Guns
03-05-2013, 21:53
No, he is wrong, and so are you. Its the same mentality that is eroding our rights in the name of society and civilization. And its wrong.
Bingo!
mtnrider
03-05-2013, 21:59
Yeah, it's not the 60s. But there could easily be a way to pre-screen qualified people with permits to carry. Similar to the pre-screening they do to get through the security lines quicker..
Now I agree with you 100%! Dwalker is talking about letting everyone just walk on a plane with a gun no questions asked. THATS what I disagree with. Permitted/Qualified carry on a plane I'm all for.
So my scenerio is I do mostly internatioanl travel so a gun is out of the question even if it was permited in the US. So for the US portion of my flight everyone else could be armed but I could not because I am continuing on overseas. That is why I say no to all. I would be at a disadvantage
Bailey Guns
03-05-2013, 22:03
Fair enough...except the "no to all" part because you'd be at a disadvantage. That's your problem...not mine. Or maybe that was tongue-in-cheek?
mtnrider
03-05-2013, 22:05
[Beer]
No, he is wrong, and so are you. Its the same mentality that is eroding our rights in the name of society and civilization. And its wrong.
If you think my mentality has anything to do with eroding our rights, you're delusional.
If they ran a program such as Bailey suggested, I would be on board. I wish they would do something like that.
For anyone to just jump up and scream that it has to do with people taking away your rights, you need to take a deep breath, slow down, and get your panties out of a wad. Every single person on this forum may be able to handle the responsibility and even pass the background check and qualification (and requals) that you know would (and should) be a part of it. Unfortunately, that is not the case for many people who would like to get a gun on board a plane. Hence my issue with EVERY single person being able to carry on a plane. Yes, you may be taking some responsibility for yourself. But as mtnrider mentioned, if you're in row 25 and Momar in row one jumps up and shoots the pilot when he comes out to take a piss and then jumps in the cockpit and smokes the other guy, you are now simply along for the ride.
Does it suck that this is the world we live in? HELL YES!!! Nobody on the planet wishes we could have a airplane full of armed, sane, and proud Americans more than me. But, that is simply not the case in today's USA. And it sucks.
So for ANYBODY to sit there and simplify it as someone (especially me) as trying to take away your rights is laughable.
Aloha_Shooter
03-06-2013, 01:13
The only knives I own that small have locking blades because y'know, it's SAFER when the blade can lock into place. I think it's kind of stupid to have to check a common utility knife but this rule really isn't much better (if any) than the ban. As far as firearms go, sure, I'd love to be able to carry my piece on board with me but I also know there are a lot of stupid wankers out there responsible for NDs every year so I'm okay with having to check it too. I could see room for having some kind of safety certification to enable you to carry onboard but honestly, it's just not going to happen with this administration so not worth the gray hairs even thinking about it. I'd rather get emotionally worked up over that jackass Holder continuing to be AG and the stupid gun laws being passed in Denver.
Mick-Boy
03-06-2013, 01:43
A knife can be a great defensive tool in a tight space. Even with the restrictions these idiots are imposing. It all has to start with your mindset though.
I've been flying internationally 4-6 times a year since '06. I've never felt like I was "unarmed".
Just remember that a plane is a tight, tubular space. Any weapon or strike that requires swinging motions to do the most damage (like the oxygen tanks that are on all flights...) will be of limited use, especially if there is more than one passenger trying to tune up whoever is acting a fool. Most ground fighting techniques would either be useless or need to be heavily modified because of the space available and the risk of more than one threat. A lot of throws and any kicks that aren't some variation of a straight thrust kick would be useless.
The metal ball point pen from the hotel. A tightly rolled magazine. The Surefire E2d in my pocket. They can all be used to devastating effect with a little know-how and the right mindset.
A small folding knife could be useful. But having one or not certainly isn't the deciding factor.
Mick-Boy
03-06-2013, 01:53
On a side note, Emerson Knives just announced on their FB page that they've got a TSA compliant knife in the works. So if you want a good blade that you can carry on a plane, that's an option.
After dropping the coin on an Emerson I'd give the TSA a couple of months to sort out their new policy before trying to take it through security though. ;)
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