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ronaldrwl
03-06-2013, 11:40
Title says it all. My wife and I are sick of what's happening to Colorado/USA. I don't think the direction we're heading can be stopped. We're looking for a good place to retire. Who's coming with us? Let's settle in a F-U-Liberals town some where in Texas. We're planning to take several weekend vacations to find a place we like. Any suggestions of a nice place in Texas?
hghclsswhitetrsh
03-06-2013, 11:45
See ya. We will be here fighting if you need us. Once Obama grants all the illegal immigrants citizenship say good bye to Texas.
Outside of San Antonio isn't bad. It does get a little hot but you are only about 2 hours from Corpus which has some nice condos on the water.
I suggest Wyoming. But I wouldn't leave just yet. Help us fight. Wait until at least 2014 to see what turn of events happen. People probably said the same thing with the AWB in 1994. We unfortunately don't hae a sunset if these bills pass and it will take serious grassroots action to reverse them along with legal challenges up to the SCOTUS.
Zundfolge
03-06-2013, 11:50
See ya. We will be here fighting if you need us. Once Obama grants all the illegal immigrants citizenship say good bye to Texas.
Texas is going to be the lefts next big target (they currently have schemes in motion there), if we don't stop them here in Colorado we'll have to stop them there and it will be harder.
Honestly I believe Texas will be where we are now by 2016 regardless of what happens here in CO.
If you want to run away, Utah, Wyoming and Idaho are probably the only places where you're going to be safe from the left for any extended amount of time (and even then if we don't stop them very soon we'll be at war before the end of the decade ... or worse we'll all be slaves of a global Marxist dictatorship).
I guess my point is you're going to have to fight them here and now, or there and then.
Inconel710
03-06-2013, 11:51
This website was started recently, but you might find some resources to help you:
http://walkingtofreedom.com/forum/
Both the wife and I had decided we did not want to retire in Colorado Springs some time ago. We are now planning on staying in Colorado and fighting the libs , and the 2014 elections will be key in staying or leaving Colorado.
Going to do some scouring in the Dakota's and Montana but that's just because I don't want to live here much longer regardless of the political climate. I have seen this state do a nose dive since I was a kid and don't want to raise children here.
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the wife and i are almost done moving to nebraska . pretty nice place , pro gun , slow paced and conservative
The wife and I are in the same boat. We are just having our first child so retirement is a long way off. I keep telling the wife we left California for the same infringement of rights Colorado is trying to enact. If the political climate doesn't change in the next couple years we will be leaving as well. I have not decided where but Wyoming, Montana, and Texas are the top of my list.
lnconel710 - I listen to the Survival Podcast as well. I was very excited when he came out with the info for this website. It will be interested which states are identified as the top 10 and worst 10 for freedom.
2014 will be the telling point as to whether Colorado becomes Calirado. Having grown up in California and seeing how contageous liberalism is to lazy unmotivated people I don't hold out much hope for this state. I live in downtown Denver (am currently trying to move) and unfortunately the dense liberal population will overtime outgrow the rest of the population in the state. I do hold out hope things will change here because I love what this state has to offer but I also believe in voting with your feet and letting people suffer from their poor decisions and values.
See ya. We will be here fighting if you need us. Once Obama grants all the illegal immigrants citizenship say good bye to Texas.
They don't need citizenship for this, the Obama machine is already busing them to the poles.
funkymonkey1111
03-06-2013, 12:24
Title says it all. My wife and I are sick of what's happening to Colorado/USA. I don't think the direction we're heading can be stopped. We're looking for a good place to retire. Who's coming with us? Let's settle in a F-U-Liberals town some where in Texas. We're planning to take several weekend vacations to find a place we like. Any suggestions of a nice place in Texas?
do you think Texas is some sort of pro-gun utopia?
Have fun, Texas can be great... especially East Texas.
Perhaps you can find some of those little white flags to put in the windows of your car as you go.
Texas is going to be the lefts next big target (they currently have schemes in motion there), if we don't stop them here in Colorado we'll have to stop them there and it will be harder.
Honestly I believe Texas will be where we are now by 2016 regardless of what happens here in CO..
Yep.. Texas is only a matter of time. Remember that Austin is the capitol.. might as well be Boulder. With the shift in population goes so will the votes and much like Colorado the Texas rancher will be hung up to dry.
That said, if I was going to move there it would be the San Antonio New Braunfels area, great countryside.
2014 will be the telling point as to whether Colorado becomes Calirado. Having grown up in California and seeing how contageous liberalism is to lazy unmotivated people I don't hold out much hope for this state. I live in downtown Denver (am currently trying to move) and unfortunately the dense liberal population will overtime outgrow the rest of the population in the state. I do hold out hope things will change here because I love what this state has to offer but I also believe in voting with your feet and letting people suffer from their poor decisions and values.
Well with Amendment 64 I foresee an uptick in lazy, unmotivated liberals in this state over the next 5 years... 2014 might be too late... I hope not, and have been considering standing my ground until then. If we do in fact become CA jr. I will be migrating North before the storm completely destroys me.
Stay and fight for 2 more years. I've lived here 12 years because I like it here and will stay till 2014 and fight to take the state back from the libtards.
n8tive97
03-06-2013, 12:28
Williamson County, north of Austin. Lived there 6 years.
the wife and i are almost done moving to nebraska . pretty nice place , pro gun , slow paced and conservative
I forgot you were in Nebraska now. I spent last week in Omaha and am sitting here in Beatrice as we speak.
I forgot you were in Nebraska now. I spent last week in Omaha and am sitting here in Beatrice as we speak.how long are you down there ?
Madeinhb
03-06-2013, 12:48
I thinking Virginia. They just past a law prohibiting drones in their airspace. My brother lives there. I asked him how VA would be able to enforce that. He is looking more into it.
Great-Kazoo
03-06-2013, 13:16
Going to do some scouring in the Dakota's and Montana but that's just because I don't want to live here much longer regardless of the political climate. I have seen this state do a nose dive since I was a kid and don't want to raise children here.
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SD is ok forgot about ND their housing prices are in the $250-300+ K easy. Crime has jumped sine the O&G boom a few years ago, food prices rival any major urban city, same for other commodities. Montana, unless you know a lot of the "homestead" locals GFL.
ronaldrwl
03-06-2013, 13:31
We've lived here 23 years and I can see that we've lost. I feel for those staying and fighting the good fight. I've been doing that, going to Tea Party events, campaigning, contributing... It's lost. It will probably take us a year or more to move. I've considered Wyoming but sounds windy and cold. Nebraska (can't believe I'm saying this) is worth considering also. I know Texas will fall. It's only a matter of time. But Colorado is leading the pot smoking, gun grabbing, “Your soda is to big” pack of liberals.
BPTactical
03-06-2013, 13:31
I feel your pain Ron and I am in the same boat. However my situation is a mite more complex, as the wife is perfectly happy in her work and home and has no desire to uproot. She was tolerant as we checked some properties in Cheyenne Sunday.
But she again affirmed her desire to stay right where she is at.
So I am faced with a choice: do I follow my principles or my partner?
Do I sit here and essentially become a criminal in my native state through no fault of my own?
I feel your pain Ron and I am in the same boat. However my situation is a mite more complex, as the wife is perfectly happy in her work and home and has no desire to uproot. She was tolerant as we checked some properties in Cheyenne Sunday.
But she again affirmed her desire to stay right where she is at.
So I am faced with a choice: do I follow my principles or my partner?
Do I sit here and essentially become a criminal in my native state through no fault of my own?stay with your partner always but remember that you have friends in other states that will gladly help you and your get set up down the line . i for one am glad that you are there to help fight !
Madeinhb
03-06-2013, 14:09
I feel your pain Ron and I am in the same boat. However my situation is a mite more complex, as the wife is perfectly happy in her work and home and has no desire to uproot. She was tolerant as we checked some properties in Cheyenne Sunday.
But she again affirmed her desire to stay right where she is at.
So I am faced with a choice: do I follow my principles or my partner?
Do I sit here and essentially become a criminal in my native state through no fault of my own?
How did that go on Sunday. Thanks for the glock night sights. Work great. You can always just get a little place right over border to stash the guns.
Wife and I are planning to move shortly after she graduates in Sept. Looking at Montana, Alaska, or Idaho. Gonna be hard because her ex-husband lives in the Springs and is very active in the 7 year old's life. At least he's a gun guy and an ex-marine, so he's got some good points. lol. We're thinking about offering to let him stay with us for a while and help him with the relocation process.
Singlestack
03-06-2013, 14:25
I feel your pain Ron and I am in the same boat. However my situation is a mite more complex, as the wife is perfectly happy in her work and home and has no desire to uproot. She was tolerant as we checked some properties in Cheyenne Sunday.
But she again affirmed her desire to stay right where she is at.
So I am faced with a choice: do I follow my principles or my partner?
Do I sit here and essentially become a criminal in my native state through no fault of my own?
This is more or less my current situation. I'm going to fight like hell through the 2014 elections, and then reassess. If the horizon is bad, I'm probably going to try to renew my attempts to persuade the wifester to move to Cheyenne area. Cheyenne works great for me as almost all of my clients (patents) are in the Denver/Boulder/CO Springs areas - i.e. occasionally drivable.
I can't move, got way to much shit to move! I'd need a dumpster just for sorting and thinning it out. No job, no money to move with, I'm pretty much stuck here. And I've worked in WY in the winter, no thank you! Wife is well-rooted in her job here too. About the only place I could move to would my home area back in OK, but there's no jobs there at all.
how long are you down there ?
Leaving Friday morning. Looks like I might be up in Nebraska on and off again for the next year or so. We'll have to get together for milk and cookies sometime.
Interesting info, i was surprised that TX wasn't in the top 10. They did vote Romney by a 16 pt margin.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/160175/blue-states-outnumber-red-states.aspx
Kraven251
03-06-2013, 15:23
I was looking to buy a house...now I think I'll wait 2 more years and just save my pennies in the meantime
BushMasterBoy
03-06-2013, 15:50
Colorado is my Alamo!
I feel your pain Ron and I am in the same boat. However my situation is a mite more complex, as the wife is perfectly happy in her work and home and has no desire to uproot. She was tolerant as we checked some properties in Cheyenne Sunday.
But she again affirmed her desire to stay right where she is at.
So I am faced with a choice: do I follow my principles or my partner?
Do I sit here and essentially become a criminal in my native state through no fault of my own?
I would hope that you stay. We are going to need a man of your particular talents.
For the folks who want to run... Please consider that unless you are willing to stand up and fight, there may soon be no place to which you can run. There's no such thing as states rights anymore. The Constitution has been shredded. There is no "bugging out" for the rest of your life.
Liberals must disarm us to do the horrible things they have planned. They aren't going to leave you alone because your geography has changed. History tells us there is but one solution.
the wife and i are almost done moving to nebraska . pretty nice place , pro gun , slow paced and conservative
Don't forget Hornday ;)
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Byte Stryke
03-06-2013, 17:02
I feel your pain Ron and I am in the same boat. However my situation is a mite more complex, as the wife is perfectly happy in her work and home and has no desire to uproot. She was tolerant as we checked some properties in Cheyenne Sunday.
But she again affirmed her desire to stay right where she is at.
So I am faced with a choice: do I follow my principles or my partner?
Do I sit here and essentially become a criminal in my native state through no fault of my own?
Then there is also that pesky little promise you made, I imagine you made it to her and to God.... probably a few ounces of Gold and a Bible involved somewhere.
You Guys work it out. Her breaking point may just be a tad higher than yours brother. Hang in there and keep fighting the good fight. You make me proud
If you need a vacation in a Pro-gun State, c'mon Down to ATL, we will go kill some paper. GA has reciprocity with CO so your carry is good here.
Bring a sleepin' Bag.
;)
Byte Stryke
03-06-2013, 17:07
Interesting info, i was surprised that TX wasn't in the top 10. They did vote Romney by a 16 pt margin.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/160175/blue-states-outnumber-red-states.aspx
the folks at Gallup are Idiots and I no longer consider them a reliable source of anything...
they consider the District of Columbia a State.
[facepalm]
We are leaning towards the Austin area if we move. I grew up in the Dallas area, but prefer the hill county. And of course it is not that far to the coast. lol We can sell the house here for enough to get a smaller house near Austin and have enough left for a nice retirement.
tom
We are leaning towards the Austin area if we move. I grew up in the Dallas area, but prefer the hill county. And of course it is not that far to the coast. lol We can sell the house here for enough to get a smaller house near Austin and have enough left for a nice retirement.
tom
Well Austin is nice but be prepared.. you would essentially be living in Boulder.
I love the Austin area. Real pretty country around there.
I said near Austin not in Austin lol. I am well aware of the liberal leanings. tom
buzzed223
03-06-2013, 18:09
We just moved here feom Missouri and all this crap that has happened is killing us. She can reenlist next year and then we could go somewhere else or we can stick it out for 4 more years...we had planned on buying a house and opening a business here after she got out of the military...im not sure if we are going to follow through with that now...not after seeing all of this bs.
This sucks that we are having conversations like this. My wife and I are having the same discussions. She's on board with moving more thanI am. I am self employed and have a great customer base. Our roots are deep, since we both grew up here. I LOVE Colorado but it is not the Colorado I know and loved. It literally makes me nauseous. This ordeal that we're in the midst of is stressful. I am so ticked. I'd like to have a campaign to recruit conservatives back to Colorado to take it back. The book Molon Labe was about Wyoming doing that. The liberals have done the opposite here.
I'm not sure why some of you are hating on ronald for wanting to relocate?? He asked for suggestions and you throw the coward/surrender card? Bullshit. I think most of the people on this board are putting in their share for this cause.
It's okay to have the opinion that there's a greener spot in the pasture.
Goodburbon
03-06-2013, 18:51
I've always loved Fredricksberg Tx.
Great-Kazoo
03-06-2013, 18:55
I'm not sure why some of you are hating on ronald for wanting to relocate?? He asked for suggestions and you throw the coward/surrender card? Bullshit. I think most of the people on this board are putting in their share for this cause.
It's okay to have the opinion that there's a greener spot in the pasture.
There are definitely greener pastures. Unfortunately, the disease has mutated itself so bad, nothing short of.....................will stem the tide . Even then recovery will be longer than some have the stomach and or will for.
I'm giving it until 2014 before I really think about leaving.
trlcavscout
03-06-2013, 19:30
See ya. We will be here fighting if you need us. Once Obama grants all the illegal immigrants citizenship say good bye to Texas.
You mean CO? The mecca. I work in mexico city everyday.
BlasterBob
03-06-2013, 20:57
No one mentioning the State of New Mexico. What are the pros and cons of that State???
Tinelement
03-06-2013, 21:00
Buying a few acres in WY. Just to have a spot.
Getting my affairs in order will take a year atleast.
68Charger
03-06-2013, 21:01
I'd prefer Alaska... no matter what they put on the books, there are unwritten rules there that the State Troopers would not DARE violate... and outside of Anchorage, you can personally know every member of the local police force...
If you prefer mild climate, SE Alaska is like Seattle... if you like hot & dry- then well, I really got nothin... [gohome]
68Charger
03-06-2013, 21:09
No one mentioning the State of New Mexico. What are the pros and cons of that State???
hmm- I've never lived there, but driven through it A LOT... couldn't wait to get out of it.
it's also the bluest state between Cali and the Mississippi.
I've had some scary interactions when just stopping for gas in the past...
someone told me Utah is a great place but after bought a house 2 months ago very difficult for me get out.
PD; maybe you can try Venezuela now without chavez lol
clublights
03-06-2013, 21:26
No one mentioning the State of New Mexico. What are the pros and cons of that State???
New Mexico SUCKS...
I moved here to get away from there in the early 90's ....
I go every christmas fr family as it is .. has not gotten better.
Singlestack
03-06-2013, 21:26
it's also the bluest state between Cali and the Mississippi.
Historically true, but I think the dems are pushing hard to give this state that title. Its really too bad as I really like Santa Fe, except for the wall-to-wall libs
<MADDOG>
03-06-2013, 21:57
Oklahoma?
Texas is going to be the lefts next big target (they currently have schemes in motion there), if we don't stop them here in Colorado we'll have to stop them there and it will be harder.
Honestly I believe Texas will be where we are now by 2016 regardless of what happens here in CO.
If you want to run away, Utah, Wyoming and Idaho are probably the only places where you're going to be safe from the left for any extended amount of time (and even then if we don't stop them very soon we'll be at war before the end of the decade ... or worse we'll all be slaves of a global Marxist dictatorship).
I guess my point is you're going to have to fight them here and now, or there and then.
+1 I have in laws in Texas. They moved from Corpus to an Austin suburb. It's Kalifonia-ish. Dallas is turning blue, And Houston is the only place I have been with barbed wire and chainlink in the front yard,
See ya. We will be here fighting if you need us. Once Obama grants all the illegal immigrants citizenship say good bye to Texas.
He is right...if we dont fight the progressive statist aganda on all fronts...we will run and run and run, untill there is no where left to run to...fight or die..pick one....
He is right...if we dont fight the progressive statist aganda on all fronts...we will run and run and run, untill there is no where left to run to...fight or die..pick one....
Or it could be that those of us who are like-minded join other states who are of the same ideals to solidify our stance. This is how the Republic was intended as far as states making differing laws from other states. I will however admit that they NEVER had the 2nd amendment in mind as far as things that would be restricted and I really don't see how they could have made that any more clear. That being said, in the spirit of the Republic we also are considering a move out-of-state. I moved here from Nebraska in the mid 90's so that's a state near the top of our list. Texas is nice but too hot/humid for me although my wife would be fine with it. Wyoming would also be a consideration due to distance to current home, work and family here and in Nebraska. Wyoming & Texas both share the lack of state income tax which is a bonus. Arizona also has some family but the heat and immigration problem aren't really something I'm wanting to voluntarily move into. Not really sure what we're going to do but I don't see choosing to live in another state as being a coward or taking the easy way out. Sometimes the right choice is also the easier choice. Not always.... but sometimes.
Was I a coward when I chose to leave Nebraska to move to Colorado because, at the time, the state offered more in the way of my personal ideals? So how is it different if I choose to leave now?
Bailey Guns
03-07-2013, 13:57
I agree with you on this, Jer. But there are a few asshats right on this forum who are really quick to ridicule others as cowards or quitters who simply want a better life elsewhere. I think they often speak without putting their brain in gear first.
Funny, though. I haven't seen them publicly ridicule MagPul for choosing to leave for a more politically friendly state if the anti-gun legislation passes. For some reason the MagPul people are heroes for saying they'll leave but others are cowards for saying the same thing. How does that work? Frankly, I agree with MagPul. But I don't see it as any different if an individual decides to take their business, money, talents and resources to another state in order to provide a better lifestyle for their families just as MagPul is doing to provide a better climate for their business.
This whole "fight or die" thing is simply ridiculous and it's a false dilemma. There are other choices. And I really doubt anyone is going to die if they choose to do neither and just "go with the flow". Believe it or not, some people are OK with that. I guess the gung-ho, macho allure of such statements are too hard for the simple-minded to resist.
losttrail
03-07-2013, 14:02
Title says it all. My wife and I are sick of what's happening to Colorado/USA. I don't think the direction we're heading can be stopped. We're looking for a good place to retire. Who's coming with us? Let's settle in a F-U-Liberals town some where in Texas. We're planning to take several weekend vacations to find a place we like. Any suggestions of a nice place in Texas?
Best place in TX?
In your rear-view mirror.
I was trapped in TX for a number of years, starting in Ft. Hood.
Paying as much or more than your mortgage for electricity for the A/C sucks.
It's hot, flat, humid, has bugs, reptiles and amphibians that want to kill us. I'll move to Alaska before I would move back to TX.
I'm just going to win the mega millions move to some island that I own and have a cargo ship from some 3rd world country stop by once a year with my ammo delivery.
To extend what Jer and Bailey said- Even if we win, I don't think, with my beliefs and way of thinking (conservative/libertarian/Constitutionalist) that CO is the best place either way, mostly due to the people that reside here and their ever increasing numbers. If we did win this current fight, I'd still be uncomfortable living among the doped up hippies that have their "COEXIST" stickers plastered all over their Prius next to their "Obama/Biden" sticker. I lost a ton of faith with the direction of the populace of this state when I first found out all those years ago (2008) sitting in my 1151 HMMWV at a range in Ft. Drum, NY hearing my brother's phone call stating the DNC would be in Denver that year... Regardless of laws, I have more of a problem with the people living here, not the ones running the show- for the people living here are the ones who elected those lawmakers.
Madeinhb
03-07-2013, 14:25
I agree with you on this, Jer. But there are a few asshats right on this forum who are really quick to ridicule others as cowards or quitters who simply want a better life elsewhere. I think they often speak without putting their brain in gear first.
Funny, though. I haven't seen them publicly ridicule MagPul for choosing to leave for a more politically friendly state if the anti-gun legislation passes. For some reason the MagPul people are heroes for saying they'll leave but others are cowards for saying the same thing. How does that work? Frankly, I agree with MagPul. But I don't see it as any different if an individual decides to take their business, money, talents and resources to another state in order to provide a better lifestyle for their families just as MagPul is doing to provide a better climate for their business.
This whole "fight or die" thing is simply ridiculous and it's a false dilemma. There are other choices. And I really doubt anyone is going to die if they choose to do neither and just "go with the flow". Believe it or not, some people are OK with that. I guess the gung-ho, macho allure of such statements are too hard for the simple-minded to resist.
Magpul is leaving based on ethics. The CEO has said why should we continue to pay taxes to a government that will not let my employees or fellow citizens buy.
Zundfolge
03-07-2013, 14:26
To extend what Jer and Bailey said- Even if we win, I don't think, with my beliefs and way of thinking (conservative/libertarian/Constitutionalist) that CO is the best place either way, mostly due to the people that reside here and their ever increasing numbers. If we did win this current fight, I'd still be uncomfortable living among the doped up hippies that have their "COEXIST" stickers plastered all over their Prius next to their "Obama/Biden" sticker. I lost a ton of faith with the direction of the populace of this state when I first found out all those years ago (2008) sitting in my 1151 HMMWV at a range in Ft. Drum, NY hearing my brother's phone call stating the DNC would be in Denver that year... Regardless of laws, I have more of a problem with the people living here, not the ones running the show- for the people living here are the ones who elected those lawmakers.
Honestly living in Evergreen or anywhere in the Denver Metro Area probably feels a lot more like living in California than it does down here in The Springs.
Get out of the DMA, Boulder and Aspen and you develop a much different view of the people of Colorado.
We're not done yet.
Madeinhb
03-07-2013, 14:29
To extend what Jer and Bailey said- Even if we win, I don't think, with my beliefs and way of thinking (conservative/libertarian/Constitutionalist) that CO is the best place either way, mostly due to the people that reside here and their ever increasing numbers. If we did win this current fight, I'd still be uncomfortable living among the doped up hippies that have their "COEXIST" stickers plastered all over their Prius next to their "Obama/Biden" sticker. I lost a ton of faith with the direction of the populace of this state when I first found out all those years ago (2008) sitting in my 1151 HMMWV at a range in Ft. Drum, NY hearing my brother's phone call stating the DNC would be in Denver that year... Regardless of laws, I have more of a problem with the people living here, not the ones running the show- for the people living here are the ones who elected those lawmakers.
Just type a note and leave it on cars with Obama stickers. Something like this:
"Hello Friend,
I just wanted to let you know that some knucklehead vandalized your car by slapping an Obama sticker on it. The last thing you want is to be driving around all day, looking like a real idiot.
Take Care,
A Good Samaritan
I agree with you on this, Jer. But there are a few asshats right on this forum who are really quick to ridicule others as cowards or quitters who simply want a better life elsewhere. I think they often speak without putting their brain in gear first.
Funny, though. I haven't seen them publicly ridicule MagPul for choosing to leave for a more politically friendly state if the anti-gun legislation passes. For some reason the MagPul people are heroes for saying they'll leave but others are cowards for saying the same thing. How does that work? Frankly, I agree with MagPul. But I don't see it as any different if an individual decides to take their business, money, talents and resources to another state in order to provide a better lifestyle for their families just as MagPul is doing to provide a better climate for their business.
This whole "fight or die" thing is simply ridiculous and it's a false dilemma. There are other choices. And I really doubt anyone is going to die if they choose to do neither and just "go with the flow". Believe it or not, some people are OK with that. I guess the gung-ho, macho allure of such statements are too hard for the simple-minded to resist.
I completely understand why you want to leave; I feel the same way. It makes me sick really because I love my home and land; I expected to be there for a long time. However, I think it is really important that we come together and fight back in this next election cycle. The Democrats need to know there are consequences. If we don't accomplish something in 2014, then it will get a lot worse nationally.
Bailey Guns
03-07-2013, 15:02
Magpul is leaving based on ethics. The CEO has said why should we continue to pay taxes to a government that will not let my employees or fellow citizens buy.
So an individual can't have similar ethics? Why should an individual continue to live under a state or local government, pay taxes to that state or local government and abide by the rules that don't allow me to own the perfectly lawful products MagPul will continue to make in their new location? Nothing you said can't apply to an individual.
One responsibility of a free man is to provide for his family. If he can do so better, and provide a better and more wholesome lifestyle, in another place why shouldn't that person aspire to that?
I completely understand why you want to leave; I feel the same way. It makes me sick really because I love my home and land; I expected to be there for a long time. However, I think it is really important that we come together and fight back in this next election cycle. The Democrats need to know there are consequences. If we don't accomplish something in 2014, then it will get a lot worse nationally.
And that's why I'll continue to do what I can for the next 8 months to a year before I leave. Then I'll continue to do my part wherever it is I call home.
Bailey Guns
03-07-2013, 15:05
Honestly living in Evergreen or anywhere in the Denver Metro Area probably feels a lot more like living in California than it does down here in The Springs.
Get out of the DMA, Boulder and Aspen and you develop a much different view of the people of Colorado.
We're not done yet.
How is living in the Springs going to help you if the proposed legislation becomes state law? It doesn't get a lot more conservative than where I live in Park Co. Doesn't do me a lot of good when state law is dictated by people in the DMA, Boulder and elsewhere along the front range.
Honestly living in Evergreen or anywhere in the Denver Metro Area probably feels a lot more like living in California than it does down here in The Springs.
Get out of the DMA, Boulder and Aspen and you develop a much different view of the people of Colorado.
We're not done yet.
Well I have been spending more and more time with friends in Conifer... But yes, Evergreen has become very "progressive" in recent times, it makes me sick!
Just type a note and leave it on cars with Obama stickers. Something like this:
"Hello Friend,
I just wanted to let you know that some knucklehead vandalized your car by slapping an Obama sticker on it. The last thing you want is to be driving around all day, looking like a real idiot.
Take Care,
A Good Samaritan
[ROFL1] NICE! I'm gonna start doing that!
Zundfolge
03-07-2013, 15:30
How is living in the Springs going to help you if the proposed legislation becomes state law? It doesn't get a lot more conservative than where I live in Park Co. Doesn't do me a lot of good when state law is dictated by people in the DMA, Boulder and elsewhere along the front range.
My comment is directed at the notion that the state of Colorado seems hopelessly lost to the left. Outside of the DMA and Boulder you see a lot more cause for hope.
Thing is I believe this latest gun grab may very well be the one thing needed to get the state back on the right side ... much like the 1994 Federal AWB reversed the house and senate in the most dramatic reversal of power in American history and likely prevented Algore from becoming president I believe there is a chance that the backlash to the current gun laws might blow up in the face of the dems and we can take the state back.
I'm not going to stay here and fight forever, but the next couple of years have the potential to be a turning point. I like living here enough that I'm willing to fight for a couple more years.
I moved to Colorado from Kansas in 2002 in part because I thought Kansas was a lost cause ... Kathleen Sibelius was Governess and the left appeared to be on the rise. The previous Republican Governor had vetoed CCW twice and frankly I expected to see Kansas turn into California on the Planes. Now Sam Brownback is Governor there and heads probably one of the most conservative governments Kansas has ever seen so you never know where things will lead (I also theorized before that I believe that Texas is the next major target of the left ... a victory here in CO will have an impact on which way TX goes).
That said, I have to agree that its asinine to call someone that doesn't want to stay here and fight a coward ... you have to do what's right for you and just because you don't want to fight now doesn't mean you haven't fought in the past.
I do think its sad that so many seem to have given up on Colorado so soon.
Texas will become the next Israel if the rest of us can't hold onto the high ground here. What is needed is for more conservatives to move into Colorado.
Or it could be that those of us who are like-minded join other states who are of the same ideals to solidify our stance. This is how the Republic was intended as far as states making differing laws from other states. I will however admit that they NEVER had the 2nd amendment in mind as far as things that would be restricted and I really don't see how they could have made that any more clear. That being said, in the spirit of the Republic we also are considering a move out-of-state. I moved here from Nebraska in the mid 90's so that's a state near the top of our list. Texas is nice but too hot/humid for me although my wife would be fine with it. Wyoming would also be a consideration due to distance to current home, work and family here and in Nebraska. Wyoming & Texas both share the lack of state income tax which is a bonus. Arizona also has some family but the heat and immigration problem aren't really something I'm wanting to voluntarily move into. Not really sure what we're going to do but I don't see choosing to live in another state as being a coward or taking the easy way out. Sometimes the right choice is also the easier choice. Not always.... but sometimes.
Was I a coward when I chose to leave Nebraska to move to Colorado because, at the time, the state offered more in the way of my personal ideals? So how is it different if I choose to leave now?
Never called you a coward...you are brave for make a choice, and following it..
As for moving to other "free" states to "solidify our stance", its a great idea..but if back fires for a number of reasons. here a few.
Free states will have a massive economical boom, higher standerd of living,cheap goods, more jobs, ect.
the reason for this is pro free market principals, few regulations,low or few if any taxes, reapect and understand the 2nd amandment(there is no point in producing if you can not keep the fruits of your labor) ect
Now lets compare this to other "Statist" states, with high taxes,few jobs,miles of red tape,higher crimes rates(and yet the toughtest gun laws) people in those states will have been so indoctronated in goverment run schools to be good little statist, maybe a few wake up, but most wont...they will want a better life..and they will move to the "free" states.
Sadly they will vote the state way...bigger government,higher taxes,more rules and regulations, limiting our rights in the name of freedom(we are some what to blame..sitting around demending the NRA,GOA ect to fight our fights for us,backing down when they paint us as uncaring,racist ect, and voting in RINO`s ect)
look at Texas right now, look at Floridia now, and look at the state of the state of Colorado, five years ago, do you think such bills would be more then words? the Statist spread and "reverse terraform" every area the moving into...and keep in mind even if those dont you have to work under the the growing weight of the federal government...which when you look at who the statist voters vote for and how the vote(who ever give me more and promise to do more for me and give me more) its easy to see how the statist in power get elected..
Progressive Statism the system which in the last 100 years has given us such "wonderful" things like the 16th Amendment,Prohibition,The Federal Reseve,The National Firearms Act(which was thanks to Prohibition,ask the question why was the mob using them? why was their so much crime after Prohinition was pass and so little before and after it?)The Gold Confiscation Act, and much worse please google
American progressive eugenics inspired the Nazi
or
The Rockefeller Foundation (http://www.ar-15.co/wiki/Rockefeller_Foundation) helped develop and fund various German eugenics programs, including the one that Josef Mengele (http://www.ar-15.co/wiki/Josef_Mengele) worked in before he went to Auschwitz (http://www.ar-15.co/wiki/Auschwitz).
One of the things we can do is fix the schools, go from a statist ideaology to a pro-liberty one we can do this demanding and getting a school voucher system with this the we break the monopoloy of government run schools with the indocrontion machine FUBAR`ed we can pervent the pollution of young minds...
If you think I am over-reaction to this please google "Give me a child when he's 7 and he's mine forever,"
and look up what some kids are forced to do,say,and learn..."guns are bad" "we are killing the planet"
"America is unfair and racist" "The Constitution is outdated,and has no meaning in todays America" its gets worse the higher in grades you go...and even worse in colleges.
The other is Vote and RUN FOR OFFICE!!!!!...why not you? if Joe Biden can run for and hold any office..you can too..
if you wish to move fine, but with a large amount of 3rd world immigration must of it socalist/statist, and failing education system(it is failing buy design) even states in the "American Redobut" will look like LA, poor,urban,crime ridden,statist hellholes..ruled by the elitist.
the greatest tragedy is the loss of freedom.
Honestly, at this point and think it's a scenario like: "You can run but you can't hide". The damn anti-gun folks are on a mission to take our 2nd Amendment...period. They are just going to chip away at each state until they get to wherever you are at. If you plan on running from the issue, it's going to be costly to move on a regular basis. I'm not happy about the BS legislation that's being pushed through our house but my line in the sand is here and I'm willing to plant my feet and fight tooth & nail until there's no more fight left in me. Figure we might as well collectively stand our ground here...hell, Colorado is as good as place as any right? I love Colorado and I'm a transplant from Iowa. Well...I should say I love Colorado once I'm out of the damn city. Bottom line is, we need all the help we can get. For those of us who were there on Monday know how ludicrous it was to see people testify on behalf of HB1224 who weren't even a Colorado state resident. Hell, one asshat they had talk was a Canadian police officer visiting Colorado. WTF over? So why not reach out and start contacting people from other states who are anti-gun control and get them here to speak as our "professional witnesses"? If we're going down...might as well be swinging.
It will be interesting to see where the state's at around my 2016 ETS date, but it's becoming abundantly more clear to me that the state I grew up in and loved may not be the one I return to.
for me the choice was simple .the wife wanted to move back home and i wanted out of 5-points . my father still lives in the points and ill be there once a month till he dies or i force him to leave colorado
<p>
I grew up in sw Virginia (22yrs) before I moved out here. Given proximity to D.C. and the somewhat draconion nature of Virginia's lawmakers, I would be hesistent IF the primary reason to move somewhere is based on 2nd ammendment rights. Virginia will be one of the next states to fall. Not too mention the differences in weather, crime, economy, demographics and all the things that make CO such a nice place to live.</p>
ALL states will eventually fall, IMO. Real patriots are up against an unstoppable monster. The only chance there is for this country to ever return to its original design would require a second Revolution. And there's a better chance of seeing God himself come with a bunch of pizzas than there is of a Revolution. This country is doomed, us peons don't have a chance against the Power Elite that are running things.
Zundfolge
03-08-2013, 11:09
ALL states will eventually fall, IMO. Real patriots are up against an unstoppable monster. The only chance there is for this country to ever return to its original design would require a second Revolution. And there's a better chance of seeing God himself come with a bunch of pizzas than there is of a Revolution. This country is doomed, us peons don't have a chance against the Power Elite that are running things.
Actually when the global economy crashes we'll probably have that second revolution here (or more likely several smaller secessionist wars around the country, so maybe in CO, maybe not). 'taint gonna be pretty though.
One of the advantages of being a Christian is that I believe that one day God will return and set things right (hell, maybe even with pizzas to feed the multitudes).
ALL states will eventually fall, IMO. Real patriots are up against an unstoppable monster. The only chance there is for this country to ever return to its original design would require a second Revolution. And there's a better chance of seeing God himself come with a bunch of pizzas than there is of a Revolution. This country is doomed, us peons don't have a chance against the Power Elite that are running things.
I hear ya Ron. With the left controlling the schools, media, courts and political seats and perhaps more disheartening, a majority shift in our country's worldview that sees liberalism as a benefit to society, I'm afraid it will take some sort of event whether nature/act of God or otherwise to knock this country back to its core.
I joke with my wife that in 30 years, I won't have to worry about retirement because I'll probably be locked away in some state funded gulag in Kansas.
Never called you a coward...you are brave for make a choice, and following it..
As for moving to other "free" states to "solidify our stance", its a great idea..but if back fires for a number of reasons. here a few.
Free states will have a massive economical boom, higher standerd of living,cheap goods, more jobs, ect.
the reason for this is pro free market principals, few regulations,low or few if any taxes, reapect and understand the 2nd amandment(there is no point in producing if you can not keep the fruits of your labor) ect
Now lets compare this to other "Statist" states, with high taxes,few jobs,miles of red tape,higher crimes rates(and yet the toughtest gun laws) people in those states will have been so indoctronated in goverment run schools to be good little statist, maybe a few wake up, but most wont...they will want a better life..and they will move to the "free" states.
Sadly they will vote the state way...bigger government,higher taxes,more rules and regulations, limiting our rights in the name of freedom(we are some what to blame..sitting around demending the NRA,GOA ect to fight our fights for us,backing down when they paint us as uncaring,racist ect, and voting in RINO`s ect)
look at Texas right now, look at Floridia now, and look at the state of the state of Colorado, five years ago, do you think such bills would be more then words? the Statist spread and "reverse terraform" every area the moving into...and keep in mind even if those dont you have to work under the the growing weight of the federal government...which when you look at who the statist voters vote for and how the vote(who ever give me more and promise to do more for me and give me more) its easy to see how the statist in power get elected..
Progressive Statism the system which in the last 100 years has given us such "wonderful" things like the 16th Amendment,Prohibition,The Federal Reseve,The National Firearms Act(which was thanks to Prohibition,ask the question why was the mob using them? why was their so much crime after Prohinition was pass and so little before and after it?)The Gold Confiscation Act, and much worse please google
American progressive eugenics inspired the Nazi
or
The Rockefeller Foundation (http://www.ar-15.co/wiki/Rockefeller_Foundation) helped develop and fund various German eugenics programs, including the one that Josef Mengele (http://www.ar-15.co/wiki/Josef_Mengele) worked in before he went to Auschwitz (http://www.ar-15.co/wiki/Auschwitz).
One of the things we can do is fix the schools, go from a statist ideaology to a pro-liberty one we can do this demanding and getting a school voucher system with this the we break the monopoloy of government run schools with the indocrontion machine FUBAR`ed we can pervent the pollution of young minds...
If you think I am over-reaction to this please google "Give me a child when he's 7 and he's mine forever,"
and look up what some kids are forced to do,say,and learn..."guns are bad" "we are killing the planet"
"America is unfair and racist" "The Constitution is outdated,and has no meaning in todays America" its gets worse the higher in grades you go...and even worse in colleges.
The other is Vote and RUN FOR OFFICE!!!!!...why not you? if Joe Biden can run for and hold any office..you can too..
if you wish to move fine, but with a large amount of 3rd world immigration must of it socalist/statist, and failing education system(it is failing buy design) even states in the "American Redobut" will look like LA, poor,urban,crime ridden,statist hellholes..ruled by the elitist.
the greatest tragedy is the loss of freedom.
While I agree with much of what you say I disagree that moving to a state like Texas or FL will somehow make things worse. How would Colorado be today if more people like us had looked to us as a haven or Liberty and started relocating here? We wouldn't have the reps in office that we have today and therefore our numbers would be strengthened. There's a reason people are considering moving to Texas and other similar states. The more like-minded people who relocate within their borders the more the pudendum swings in the other direction. I could just as easily say that people who remain in states that have made it very clear they don't side with Liberty are doing more HARM than good by NOT relocating to a Liberty loving state to make a stand and an example of what freedom SHOULD look like. It's an interesting debate but for myself, I will fight for the state that I CHOSE and the state that I LOVE as long as I possibly can. When it gets to the point where I feel like I'm being criminalized for living my life as a free man I will not subject myself or my family to that sort of tyranny. You can stay and fight as the number of liberals grows and grows and I commend you for doing it but life is short and I'm growing tired of fighting and last I checked Texas was still in the US.
ronaldrwl
03-08-2013, 15:51
Actually when the global economy crashes we'll probably have that second revolution here (or more likely several smaller secessionist wars around the country, so maybe in CO, maybe not). 'taint gonna be pretty though.
One of the advantages of being a Christian is that I believe that one day God will return and set things right (hell, maybe even with pizzas to feed the multitudes).
This made my day :)
I think you're right. On both accounts.
<MADDOG>
03-08-2013, 21:24
I'm sorry I am not a main contributor, blabbermouth, or armchair warrior, but I asked...
OKLAHOMA?
ALL states will eventually fall, IMO. Real patriots are up against an unstoppable monster. The only chance there is for this country to ever return to its original design would require a second Revolution. And there's a better chance of seeing God himself come with a bunch of pizzas than there is of a Revolution. This country is doomed, us peons don't have a chance against the Power Elite that are running things.
they will fail...when gas is 6$ a gallon, or they buy a weeks worth of food becuase the money in your wallet is worth less then toilet paper, when things get bad people will awake and rise...hell we already are....they will lose we will win....no questions, no debates...we will win, liberty will be resotred, and the federal tyranny will end...
While I agree with much of what you say I disagree that moving to a state like Texas or FL will somehow make things worse. How would Colorado be today if more people like us had looked to us as a haven or Liberty and started relocating here? We wouldn't have the reps in office that we have today and therefore our numbers would be strengthened. There's a reason people are considering moving to Texas and other similar states. The more like-minded people who relocate within their borders the more the pudendum swings in the other direction. I could just as easily say that people who remain in states that have made it very clear they don't side with Liberty are doing more HARM than good by NOT relocating to a Liberty loving state to make a stand and an example of what freedom SHOULD look like. It's an interesting debate but for myself, I will fight for the state that I CHOSE and the state that I LOVE as long as I possibly can. When it gets to the point where I feel like I'm being criminalized for living my life as a free man I will not subject myself or my family to that sort of tyranny. You can stay and fight as the number of liberals grows and grows and I commend you for doing it but life is short and I'm growing tired of fighting and last I checked Texas was still in the US.
I mean Texas or FL are slowing turning into marxist(liberals are marxist please stop lying to your selves) states...you are right abour freeom loving patriots moving, but remember for every one that moves and votes...10 members of the Free Shit Army will move and vote....We will win in the long run...and the freedom loving patriots will never again be oppressed by Progressive Statistism.,,fight on sir I have your six..
I hear ya Ron. With the left controlling the schools, media, courts and political seats and perhaps more disheartening, a majority shift in our country's worldview that sees liberalism as a benefit to society, I'm afraid it will take some sort of event whether nature/act of God or otherwise to knock this country back to its core.
I joke with my wife that in 30 years, I won't have to worry about retirement because I'll probably be locked away in some state funded gulag in Kansas.
Well in order to win, we need to take back the schools....after the first one the rest are free, and you are right about some SHTF event that will cause the sheeple to wake up or starve to death...
It is sad. Gone are the days of asking what you can do for your country instead of what you're country can do for you.
I will be here in 2014. Montana is my next stop.
Madeinhb
03-09-2013, 07:18
Haha ya I'm not worried about stockpiling food. I have like a weeks worth. I have weapons so I can go and take lol. Plus I'm pretty sure if shit hit the fan, most of us on here would join together in a group. We'd be dangerous!
Kraven251
03-09-2013, 08:08
We'd be dangerous!
the word you are looking for is effective, dangerous implies we are a threat, all we really want is to be left the hell alone and allowed to live our lives, unfortunately that doesn't look to be an option in the current climate
jerrymrc
03-09-2013, 08:11
Haha ya I'm not worried about stockpiling food. I have like a weeks worth. I have weapons so I can go and take lol. Plus I'm pretty sure if shit hit the fan, most of us on here would join together in a group. We'd be dangerous!
This should be fun. I remember the last member that talked like that. [fail]
Kraven251
03-09-2013, 08:14
As to a more on topic, I started looking at land in Utah, Wyoming, and Montana...it is all fairly affordable for small plots of land but not a damn thing for me to do for work that doesn't force me to live in a more urban setting
this shit is tiring.
TEAMRICO
03-09-2013, 09:01
It is sad. Gone are the days of asking what you can do for your country instead of what you're country can do for you.
I will be here in 2014. Montana is my next stop.
Sounds like my plan as well.
Joining together sounds like COLLECTIVISM to me.
So when I run out of stuff you will cross level with me since Im entitled to what you have?
The cycle continues...........
wctriumph
09-16-2013, 17:02
Only if work forces me to (only for A LOT MORE money) otherwise I will stay in CO. Worth fighting for.
Only if work forces me to (only for A LOT MORE money) otherwise I will stay in CO. Worth fighting for.
Amen! never give liberals a damn thing, make them work and suffer.
ZERO THEORY
09-16-2013, 17:10
So anyone still leaving?
I was going to leave for AZ regardless this year. It fell through, so I'm still here. Glad I stayed to help fight the good fight.
I'm staying through the next election cycle. My exit strategy will depend on the outcome.
KevDen2005
09-16-2013, 17:23
I'm staying for sure at minimum through next election but will hopefully stay longer. All my family is here and I love the state otherwise. It would have to get really bad for me to leave, like Maryland or California for me to think about it or for a really high paying job
I was going to leave for AZ regardless this year. It fell through, so I'm still here. Glad I stayed to help fight the good fight.
That is my plan to, but not yet, I am waiting for the 2014 election, to me that election will tell me if this state is gone, right now I believe it is very much salvageable maybe even more so, this could be the place where we take our country back.
So for now I am staying put, if not I am heading towards Payson/Heber area.
trlcavscout
09-16-2013, 18:23
Hopefully with any luck my whole county will be leaving
blacklabel
09-16-2013, 18:27
Hopefully with any luck my whole county will be leaving
[Beer]
I escaped NY just before it started to get real bad-just before last summer.
Like it was said before-no matter where your going to run to it still will follow and sooner or later you will have to fight for your rights.
I like it here and I will fight to keep the demsosialistikprogressives from ruining this state.
You have to make a stand sometime,or sit it out with regrets...
So anyone still leaving?
yup, house is on the market, got a new job lined up in WY. Can't wait.
Colorado is worth the fight. California lost the fight twenty years ago. Colorado is no where near that point. There has to be a front line somewhere and my opinion is that Colorado is the state for the fight.
I'm a new resident of CO from CA, I bring two red votes to the state and a commitment to fight for our American rights. Stay or leave, but be prepared to fight where ever you reside.
I'm wrapping up a trip in Charlotte NC. The downtown area that they call uptown is extremely clean and very family friendly. I haven't smelled marijuana in almost a week and its been very pleasant. Imagine walking the 16th street Amal without having to step over bums or get hit up by street kids asking for money.
My wife and I are making the move here in the coming months. Charlotte sits on the SC border and while NC tends to be a swing state because a lot of NY liberals have moved in SC is EXTREMELY conservative. There are many SC cities that are considered suburbs of Charlotte so you can work in Charlotte while living in SC. SC is also very affordable compared to Denver I paid $2.89 a gallon for gas today thanks to their low taxes :)
We gave Texas a lot of consideration but there's to many non English speakers there and it's got to be one of the ugliest states in the union.
Running is a bad idea. Fact is they will corner us in say 10 progun states then write an Amendment repealing the 2nd. It is better to fight while you can.
KevDen2005
09-16-2013, 21:19
Colorado is worth the fight. California lost the fight twenty years ago. Colorado is no where near that point. There has to be a front line somewhere and my opinion is that Colorado is the state for the fight.
I'm a new resident of CO from CA, I bring two red votes to the state and a commitment to fight for our American rights. Stay or leave, but be prepared to fight where ever you reside.
Agreed, we gotta keep this state great and you can stay because you bring red votes.
Mountain Boy
09-16-2013, 21:27
This state is too good to run from. Running is quiting and I can't quit on this state regardless, TX Sucks, WY blows SC is too far East ID is becoming Rich CA setteling ground. Hold your ground men and keep this state!!!!!!!!!! Wars are not won by running away!
I respect everyone's decisions and I know they're not made lightly.
We're here to stay. We've bought a house, contribute to our community and it'll take more than a$$hole politicians to drive us out.
The political pendulum always swings furthest in one direction before it returns the other way. The politicos are tempaorary. Our plans and lives have no room in our pockets for greedy politicians.
The line in the sand is drawn. We've chosen Colorado, and it was not a choice made lightly. Together we stand, right?
Jeffrey Lebowski
09-17-2013, 07:18
I'm wrapping up a trip in Charlotte NC. The downtown area that they call uptown is extremely clean and very family friendly. I haven't smelled marijuana in almost a week and its been very pleasant. Imagine walking the 16th street Amal without having to step over bums or get hit up by street kids asking for money.
My wife and I are making the move here in the coming months. Charlotte sits on the SC border and while NC tends to be a swing state because a lot of NY liberals have moved in SC is EXTREMELY conservative. There are many SC cities that are considered suburbs of Charlotte so you can work in Charlotte while living in SC. SC is also very affordable compared to Denver I paid $2.89 a gallon for gas today thanks to their low taxes :)
We gave Texas a lot of consideration but there's to many non English speakers there and it's got to be one of the ugliest states in the union.
My Dad just moved to South Carolina just south of Charlotte, NC. His area is super nice and conservative. He says the have much lower fuel costs there. He says everyone has guns and hunts.
Charlotte has very high crime. at least according to the numbers that I read every year.
I had lived in Charleston, SC for a few years before moving here. (I'm not from there, or here).
I really liked it. All winter long I miss it especially badly.
What I'd miss most is there is no public property to just go get lost in. No great spots to bike or run.
But politically, and just the whole environment in general, I really miss South Carolina.
I'm assuming you guys are talking Rock Hill area. I do miss the Carolinas. I wouldn't mind retiring back there, or at least being seasonal.
We're leaving. Our house is under contract, closing in two weeks. We're going to Maine. The real estate prices are awesome and it's still Free America.
Bailey Guns
09-17-2013, 08:34
I know there are plenty of you who are so narrow-minded you can't understand why someone would want to move from Colorado (or any other state for that matter). But there are plenty of valid reasons and if you think deciding to move = quitter/loser/whatever, you're just a fool.
My wife and I moved here in 1989. We married just prior to separating from the Air Force. She's from the east coast, I'm from TX. Neither of us wanted to return to those states. We chose Colorado because we'd both lived here/been stationed here and it seemed like a good compromise.
Most of you moved here from somewhere else. Were you running away or "quitting" when you left your former state?
We're looking to relocate to ID for a variety of reasons, in no particular order:
Lower cost of living
Retirement money will go much further
Housing is far less expensive
Taxes are lower overall
Job opportunities for her
More land - less money
Overall political climate is far more conservative
Quality of life is at least as good as it is here
70% fewer people in a state almost as large as Colorado
Equivalent outdoor opportunities
Furthermore, why can't someone be just as involved in the political process in a new state as they were in the old. Saving, living and fighting for traditional conservative values and American principles are just as important in one place as they are in another, aren't they?
What if someone made the decision to move to CA in an attempt to change the political climate there? Would they be a quitter or loser? Would they be any less patriotic because they chose to leave CO? If your simple-minded concept of "fighting" for conservative principles means you look down upon someone who chooses to improve their life or the lives and opportunities of their families then I think you have no concept of what freedom and conservatism really means.
But if it makes you feel better to look down upon others because of an informed decision to relocate, knock yourself out. I'd rather not live near you, or associate with you, anyway.
The move has turned out to be a lot more complicated than we initially thought for a lot of reasons. But as soon as we can swing it, we're still planning to move to Idaho.
Idaho was in the mix for us, with some others. Good luck with your move.
StagLefty
09-17-2013, 09:00
We're leaving. Our house is under contract, closing in two weeks. We're going to Maine. The real estate prices are awesome and it's still Free America.
I have family there and have been considering a move but financially I don't know if it's doable.
RblDiver
09-17-2013, 10:25
Hopefully with any luck my whole county will be leaving
+1. I'm looking to buy land/a home, and if Weld chooses to leave I would more than likely buy a home in Freedomtopia (or w/e the new state gets called)!
Jeffrey Lebowski
09-17-2013, 10:34
Nice post, Bailey Guns. Well said.
Bailey Guns
09-17-2013, 11:18
The worst part of moving will be leaving family (Son and DIL...but they're .mil and will most likely PCS at some point, too) and friends I've made over the last 24 years.
If this education finance referendum passes, it is going to get really expensive to live in this state. I am really dreading the prospect of it passing!
The last tax (excuse me "fee") that hit me really hard was the Ritter Registration Fee that cost me an extra $500 to register all my vehicles and trailers every year.
I think what is really pushing me out of this state is the tax issues. I have a little less then five years until my son graduates, and I will seriously look at leaving then.
sellersm
09-17-2013, 12:57
Well said Bailey Guns!!
PugnacAutMortem
09-17-2013, 13:32
I definitely have no desire to move out of Colorado. It's my home, my wife's home and both of our families' home. But I absolutely will move us out of here if staying is to the detriment of my family. I guess we will see how 2014 and 2016 plays out. I have some hope now for 2014 with the success of the recalls. We shall see though.
I had lived in Charleston, SC for a few years before moving here. (I'm not from there, or here). I really liked it. All winter long I miss it especially badly. What I'd miss most is there is no public property to just go get lost in. No great spots to bike or run. But politically, and just the whole environment in general, I really miss South Carolina. I'm assuming you guys are talking Rock Hill area. I do miss the Carolinas. I wouldn't mind retiring back there, or at least being seasonal.
We are going to move to Lake Wylie which is a bit north of Rock Hill.
My Dad just moved to South Carolina just south of Charlotte, NC. His area is super nice and conservative. He says the have much lower fuel costs there. He says everyone has guns and hunts. Charlotte has very high crime. at least according to the numbers that I read every year.
The crime in the Charlotte metro area is very isolated to the ghetto's of Charlotte.
Jesus-With-A-.45
09-17-2013, 13:56
I came here 4 years ago from CA primarily because CO was still a free state & everyone with a brain & the means to leave could see that CA was lost. I won't run away again, I love this state, I love most of the people, this is the place I've always wanted to live & I'm not letting some GOD DAMN SCUMBAG LIBERALs TAKE IT AWAY WITHOUT A FIGHT! I'm donating anything I can, time, money, manpower, I'm hitting the streets and getting others involved. If we loss this state, I'm going to be able to look in the mirror & know that I personally did everything in my power to NOT let it happen. I believe this is the mentality we all need to take........if we don't fight it........then who will?
I just moved to Perryton TX, don't move to a little town....
Bailey Guns
09-17-2013, 17:42
I came here 4 years ago from CA primarily because CO was still a free state & everyone with a brain & the means to leave could see that CA was lost. I won't run away again, I love this state, I love most of the people, this is the place I've always wanted to live & I'm not letting some GOD DAMN SCUMBAG LIBERALs TAKE IT AWAY WITHOUT A FIGHT! I'm donating anything I can, time, money, manpower, I'm hitting the streets and getting others involved. If we loss this state, I'm going to be able to look in the mirror & know that I personally did everything in my power to NOT let it happen. I believe this is the mentality we all need to take........if we don't fight it........then who will?
This attitude assumes there's only one reason one would want to stay or leave...a political motivation. Many people, my wife and I included, weigh the political issues with other issues important in their lives and the lives of their families. It's not necessarily an either/or, single topic issue.
Not to mention this mentality cedes states like CA to the liberals. Why is staying and "fighting" here more important than fighting liberalism elsewhere? I don't think that makes any sense at all.
On the other hand, if someone feels the way you do about a life in CO then by all means do you what you can to shape it how you see fit. But why demean someone, or attempt to force your will ("this is the mentality we all need to take") on others. That sounds to me exactly like that which you so loudly proclaim to be fighting against.
It also sounds exactly like the liberal mentality that says, "can't we all agree no one needs ________"? No...we can't all agree. Sorry. I want no part of that attitude from either the left or the right.
Meh, who cares. You should live where you want to live and what suits your lifestyle best. No one else is going to pay your mortgage/bills so do what's best for your family. Am I supposed to move out of Douglas county and into Rhonda Field's district so I can try to recall her?
Jesus-With-A-.45
09-17-2013, 18:33
This attitude assumes there's only one reason one would want to stay or leave...a political motivation. Many people, my wife and I included, weigh the political issues with other issues important in their lives and the lives of their families. It's not necessarily an either/or, single topic issue.
Not to mention this mentality cedes states like CA to the liberals. Why is staying and "fighting" here more important than fighting liberalism elsewhere? I don't think that makes any sense at all.
On the other hand, if someone feels the way you do about a life in CO then by all means do you what you can to shape it how you see fit. But why demean someone, or attempt to force your will ("this is the mentality we all need to take") on others. That sounds to me exactly like that which you so loudly proclaim to be fighting against.
It also sounds exactly like the liberal mentality that says, "can't we all agree no one needs ________"? No...we can't all agree. Sorry. I want no part of that attitude from either the left or the right.
My statement was for myself & those that choose to stay here in CO, at no point did I mention "bailey guns" anywhere in the post, nor did I attack your choice to leave. I don't care what you choose to do, if you want to leave than that's what you should do.......it's still a kind of free country, and it's your right to come & go as you please. However, for those that leave for perceived freedoms in other states that they feel no longer exist in this state, the liberal disease will eventually catch-up to those states as well. CA was lost long before I reached manhood or had a chance to make a difference in the political process or the attitudes of the citizens living within that state, maybe I'm a little more determined having seen what liberalism has done to my once beautiful & prosperous home state & don't want the people of my adopted state to suffer the same pain & disappointment that I have felt.
Jesus-With-A-.45
09-17-2013, 18:35
Meh, who cares. You should live where you want to live and what suits your lifestyle best. No one else is going to pay your mortgage/bills so do what's best for your family. Am I supposed to move out of Douglas county and into Rhonda Field's district so I can try to recall her?
Could you? Because I really hate that bitch ;)
Bailey Guns
09-17-2013, 19:05
I believe this is the mentality we all need to take........if we don't fight it........then who will?
My mistake. I thought by "we all" you meant "we all".
BPTactical
09-17-2013, 19:47
This is my native state.
As much as I would love to pull the plug and bail to Wyoming, it is not in my near future. The wife has no desire to go there, she thinks everybody up there is a far right gun toting nutball. I also have a kiddo with some obligations here for another year or so.
If I were to go, I would go alone. Not an option right now.
We had a substantial victory in 2 districts recently.
Let's build on that and clean house in '14.
dogduster
09-20-2013, 22:03
I'll be joining you after I retire in 2014. Looking real hard at Idaho right now. I have lived here all my life (60 yrs.) and my grandmother homesteaded here. I always thought I would die here but the liberals have totally changed my mind.
Good luck with your decision and it's a shame to lose another conservative. This basically makes one liberal vote worth two.
This is my native state.
As much as I would love to pull the plug and bail to Wyoming, it is not in my near future. The wife has no desire to go there, she thinks everybody up there is a far right gun toting nutball. I also have a kiddo with some obligations here for another year or so.
If I were to go, I would go alone. Not an option right now.
We had a substantial victory in 2 districts recently.
Let's build on that and clean house in '14.
I'm with you on this one. My job is great, my family has their feet firmly planted in Colorado so it'll be a long time before we pull up stakes and move. I'm all about fighting for keeping our rights just the way they were before Chickenpooper took a massive crap on them.
Bailey Guns
09-21-2013, 15:10
The demise of conservative values in Colorado predates Hickenlooper by several years.
Zundfolge
09-21-2013, 21:05
The demise of conservative values in Colorado predates Hickenlooper by several years.
Agreed. Any conservative that lives in Colorado (or for that matter Texas since y'all are next) need to read this book.
http://blueprintbook.net/
We're out. Sold the house yesterday, in Topeka tonight, heading to Maine. As long as outside dollars keep making decisions in Colorado there's no hope. They're buying more and more votes and turning the state, unfortunately, into California. Good luck to those of you who choose to stay and fight. I just turned retirement age and want to enjoy it.
Enjoy your new adventure in Maine!
I'm amazed at how many out of state plates I'm seeing in CO lately. I get the feeling they aren't just passing through. Should make the first snowy commute very interesting....
We're out. Sold the house yesterday, in Topeka tonight, heading to Maine. As long as outside dollars keep making decisions in Colorado there's no hope. They're buying more and more votes and turning the state, unfortunately, into California. Good luck to those of you who choose to stay and fight. I just turned retirement age and want to enjoy it.
Go all the way up to Aroostook county and you may get a part in the "Mountain Men" series.
Gun store on the side of I70, Missouri or Kansas, big sign- BLACK RIFLES.
Gun store on the side of I70, Missouri or Kansas, big sign- BLACK RIFLES.
You're in the heartland of the nation my friend. Good luck driving through New England and best of luck in Maine. Keep us updated how the pace of life and neighbors are up there!
Zundfolge
10-02-2013, 19:09
We're out. Sold the house yesterday, in Topeka tonight, heading to Maine. As long as outside dollars keep making decisions in Colorado there's no hope. They're buying more and more votes and turning the state, unfortunately, into California. Good luck to those of you who choose to stay and fight. I just turned retirement age and want to enjoy it.
Hope you enjoy your retirement ... but I can't see now Maine would be any better than Colorado politically ... the same forces are at work there as here (hell, Bloomie is even closer there and probably considers Maine a threat to his fiefdom in NYC). Its a pretty place (and the seafood will be much better) but I don't think you're avoiding any fight by moving there.
Hope you enjoy your retirement ... but I can't see now Maine would be any better than Colorado politically ... the same forces are at work there as here (hell, Bloomie is even closer there and probably considers Maine a threat to his fiefdom in NYC). Its a pretty place (and the seafood will be much better) but I don't think you're avoiding any fight by moving there.
Nope, they don't vote that way. Strong Libertarian party there. All firearms freedoms in place. And really not enough people for the big money to care about, I think. Fewer than a million.
And it's not on fire..
About a mile into PA on I70- BIG gun store sign with an MP-15 on it.
kidicarus13
10-03-2013, 14:17
Are situations like this where the saying "The grass is always greener..." came from?
Nope, they don't vote that way. Strong Libertarian party there. All firearms freedoms in place. And really not enough people for the big money to care about, I think. Fewer than a million.
And it's not on fire..
About a mile into PA on I70- BIG gun store sign with an MP-15 on it.
There's a pretty huge exodus of Mass folks residing in Maine. Just look at Portland.
Zundfolge
10-03-2013, 14:21
And it's not on fire.
Heh
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