New Ammo?

[R&S]

Has anyone heard if Liberty Ammunition Ultra Defense USM4 50 grain 9mm is any good? it is +P 2000 fps, 450 fpe!

[ben4372]

I sounds like the Aguilar ammo from a few years back. Alloy bullet. You want to see impressive. Look at the federal HST. Haven't heard anything bad yet.

[sroz]

Isn't Liberty the mfg that makes that Halo Point ammo. Sounds like the exact same round. Pretty sure someone had a thread about it, but it could have been on another forum.

[centrarchidae]

Just from your description I'd guess that it doesn't have near enough penetration to be useful for SD.

Has anybody ever shot it into gelatin?

[R&S]

they made a "halo" round and as sroz said it might be a similar round
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/02/liberty-ammunition-halo-point-civil-defense-40-sw-gel-test-video-2571832.html

[Cylinder Head]

Has anyone heard if Liberty Ammunition Ultra Defense USM4 50 grain 9mm is any good? it is +P 2000 fps, 450 fpe!

Per DocGKR it's a gimmick junk round. Stick with Gold Dots or Rangers.

[R&S]

Per DocGKR it's a gimmick junk round. Stick with Gold Dots or Rangers.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9G0Je8z9J0 I would use them, (I don't think these are the Halo round but if they work like the Halo I wouldn't want to stand in front of the barrel.

[baglock1]

50 grains? Good grief, no wonder the velocity is so high. I guess they sound good in theory. My gut reaction (after a 30 second digestion of the numbers) makes me think I'd consider them for my primary mag but keep a secondary mag loaded with traditional defense ammo. My thought is that most defensive shootings occur at pretty close range so 2" groups would likely not be a problem. If I'm forced to reload however, I'm guessing the distance will be such that I'll want the accuracy of a heavier round.

Of course that assumes a lot of things (range, accuracy under duress, etc) and like I said, it's a gut reaction based on 30 seconds of thought.

[sellersm]

Tactical Defense Solutions has posted a YouTube review of this ammo, using ballistic gel comparing against HST. Pretty impressive results:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsSdeXxdUIY

[Boulderar15]

Tactical Defense Solutions has posted a YouTube review of this ammo, using ballistic gel comparing against HST. Pretty impressive results:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsSdeXxdUIY


Holy shit!!

Go to the 10:12 mark. Guy rips a huge fart!!


The fragmentation on that thing is amazing. It literally explodes!! Old dude farting is funny.

[cofi]

Holy shit!!

Go to the 10:12 mark. Guy rips a huge fart!!


The fragmentation on that thing is amazing. It literally explodes!! Old dude farting is funny.

he was cool as a fan during that fart but you can hear people giggling in the backround HAHAHAHA

[Dingo]

I'll take 147 grains of heavy happiness any day over 50 grains of speedy gimmick. I've made my peace with carrying 9mm as a defensive round, but it still skirts the border a bit in terms of raw slugger power. It doesn't need to get any lighter than it is already. For those ballistics, you may as well carry a Five-Seven... puts a lighter bullet to a bit better use, IMO.

Not every bad guy out there is going to be 110 lbs and wearing a thin t-shirt. Not often that I have occasion to say this, but I would like a bit more depth to my penetration. [Flower]

[R&S]

Just saw it on gunbroker for $39.95 per box

[Ah Pook]

Per DocGKR it's a gimmick junk round. Stick with Gold Dots or Rangers.
There ya go throwing facts into the the mix. [panic]

Now, let's talk blended metals...