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HBARleatherneck
03-11-2013, 08:09
http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/spo/3673159765.html (http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/spo/3673159765.html)
Deer, elk and pronghorn landowner vouchers! - $1 (Colorado)
Colorado Parks and Wildlife is trying to give more of your hunting tags to landowners.
Senate bill 13-188 proposes to raise the percentage of tags landowners receive west of I-25 from 15% to 20%, and east of I-25 to 25%. Think about how this will affect your chances to draw tags in years to come!
Please write or call your Representatives and Senators and urge them to vote NO on SB13-188. And while you're at it, write the Director of Colorado Parks and Wildlife, Rick Cables, and tell him he should be ashamed of himself for selling out the average hunter to line the pockets of landowners and outfitters.
This bill will pass and you will never get those lost tags back if you don't email and call today!
the red portion is the craigslist ad. the below portion is my RANT Beware swearing offensive language below.
You have to be kidding me. So, if us landowners get extra tags we are getting rich? FUCK YOU. its not our fault some city fucks spend all their money on dildos and starbucks coffee. We spend our money on LAND. I have antelope on my property daily. They eat the grass that my cows should be eating. That costs me money in feed. And yet, I dont get to shoot antelope. I have to wait and get 7 years worth of preference points (or whatever it is now). If you want to protest landowner tags. FU Buy, some damn land and shut the fuck up.
This is something some communist piece of shit fuck stain would say. "private individuals and land owners should give us their stuff" because...
i dont think its fair that I cant hunt geese in denver by the zoo. I dont think its fair they wont let me do an "African Safari" hunt at the zoo.
i dont think its fair that I cant hunt geese in denver by the zoo. I dont think its fair they wont let me do an "African Safari" hunt at the zoo.
That there is some funny stuff. [ROFL2]
Just don't bring any high capacity magazines for your safari.
That there is some funny stuff. [ROFL2]
Just don't bring any high capacity magazines for your safari.
30 round .458 Lott or .416 nitro magazines fetch a premium. [ROFL2]
HBARleatherneck
03-11-2013, 09:02
i was going to bring my 700 nitro express double rifle.
hghclsswhitetrsh
03-11-2013, 09:17
I agree with you hbar. What bothers me is seeing out of state guys draw a tag year after year but I don't.
PS I live in the city, buy an occasional Starbucks but defiantly don't buy any dildos.
Overall I give this rant a 8.9/10.
Chillax brah. It's not my fault you spent all your coin on some dirt and a fence. ;)
HBARleatherneck
03-11-2013, 09:35
Chillax brah. It's not my fault you spent all your coin on some dirt and a fence. ;)
didnt really come with the fence. i got screwed.
dwalker460
03-11-2013, 09:41
I have no problem with the Landowner tags, but the outfitters kinda irk me. I get that hunting is big business here in Colorado and guides are no different than anyone else out to make a living., but I do feel that residents should recieve a priority over outfitters/nonresidents. I started late and was not able to get any tags last season, so maybe this is a little bit of a tender subject for me. The only option left for me last season was to pop for a $1500 or more weekend that pretty much just included space in a tent and tags with what passed for a guide service. Just not a feel good moment or situation.
HBARleatherneck
03-11-2013, 09:53
i may be wrong (probably) but, i dont think outfitters get special tags. outfitters will partner with private land owners and pay the landowner for those tags. outfitters having a Forest Service or Blm concession still have to have the hunter buy his/her tags over the counter or by draw.
so, your complaint, I believe is misplaced.
i have worked for two guides in the past, and their out of state hunters had to buy their tags over the counter. (the guides both were permitted for public Forest service land)
http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/spo/3673159765.html (http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/spo/3673159765.html)
Deer, elk and pronghorn landowner vouchers! - $1 (Colorado)
Colorado Parks and Wildlife is trying to give more of your hunting tags to landowners.
Senate bill 13-188 proposes to raise the percentage of tags landowners receive west of I-25 from 15% to 20%, and east of I-25 to 25%. Think about how this will affect your chances to draw tags in years to come!
Please write or call your Representatives and Senators and urge them to vote NO on SB13-188. And while you're at it, write the Director of Colorado Parks and Wildlife, Rick Cables, and tell him he should be ashamed of himself for selling out the average hunter to line the pockets of landowners and outfitters.
This bill will pass and you will never get those lost tags back if you don't email and call today!
the red portion is the craigslist ad. the below portion is my RANT Beware swearing offensive language below.
You have to be kidding me. So, if us landowners get extra tags we are getting rich? FUCK YOU. its not our fault some city fucks spend all their money on dildos and starbucks coffee. We spend our money on LAND. I have antelope on my property daily. They eat the grass that my cows should be eating. That costs me money in feed. And yet, I dont get to shoot antelope. I have to wait and get 7 years worth of preference points (or whatever it is now). If you want to protest landowner tags. FU Buy, some damn land and shut the fuck up.
This is something some communist piece of shit fuck stain would say. "private individuals and land owners should give us their stuff" because...
i dont think its fair that I cant hunt geese in denver by the zoo. I dont think its fair they wont let me do an "African Safari" hunt at the zoo.
HBAR,
In the interest of full disclosure, I'll confess that I live in the city and have purchased my fair share of Starbucks. I also enjoy hunting, especially with my sons. My youngest son (12 y.o.) was successful in his first deer hunt this year. We went with the DOW on private land out East of Denver. So my question to you, and it was something I was wondering about during the DOW hunt, is - can you offer the Cliff Notes version of the voucher program in Colorado? What are the benefits to; (a) the landowner, (b) the hunter, (c) anyone else who benefits?
My question is sincere. I am ignorant of the purpose and intent of the program and would like to learn more about it - especially from the perspective of someone with first-hand experience.
The one thing I *think* I learned from your post is that you have a problem with antelope consuming the natural feed that you want your cows eating. As a result, you'd like to see fewer antelope on your property. Increasing the number of vouchers you receive would allow you to do what? In terms of the opposition to increasing the percentage of tags being distributed as vouchers (if I understand that correctly), are they opposed because they feel like this will result in fewer public hunting opportunities?
Sorry for all the questions and I hope you don't mind educating me on this. I really am curious.
I really hope they can get land owners more tags. We used to without fail get landowner buck pronghorn tags, not so much anymore as landowners.
I live in the city and buy my fair share of Starbucks and dildos. I feel that if you own the land you should have free reign to do what you want on that land. Including killing any animals on your property that you find to be either a problem or just plain tasty.
hurley842002
03-11-2013, 10:26
I feel that if you own the land you should have free reign to do what you want on that land. Including killing any animals on your property that you find to be either a problem or just plain tasty.
Agree!
Including killing any animals on your property that you find to be either a problem or just plain tasty.
That would make every ungulate an endangered species on (most) private land.
newracer
03-11-2013, 10:58
I feel that if you own the land you should have free reign to do what you want on that land. Including killing any animals on your property that you find to be either a problem or just plain tasty.
I don't.
I didn't expect everyone to agree with my opinion. But that's the beautiful thing about a free society. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
hurley842002
03-11-2013, 11:27
I'll expand on my comment to clarify my position. I'm not advocating taking out a whole herd of antelope for the fun of it, just because "I can", however if I own land, and decide my family is going to quit buying ground beef and frozen chicken breast, and live off of the local antelope population (eww) , then that should be my right.
newracer
03-11-2013, 11:31
But you do not own all the antelope on your land.
My feeling is that most people who own a large amount of land probably care enough to manage their resources in a responsible manner.
But you do not own all the antelope on your land.
Then who owns the antelope?
But you do not own all the antelope on your land.
That's right, its the kings meat you goddamn serfs...jkjk
I would also like to see owner tags go up, for the reasons mentioned above. I would bet people who live in those areas know a lot more about the populations and have to deal with them on an everyday basis.
Then who owns the antelope?
According to the Hunter's Education Course, big game species in Colorado are owned by the people of Colorado.
It must be different in some other states, as I have a friend in a Southern state who owns property where he feeds and cares for a large herd of deer. He seems to be able to cull as many as he wants each year, but is careful to assure the overall health of the herd - BUT - he manages all that himself, not the state.
DHC, I believe HBAR's gripe with the add is that it makes it appear that land owners are just sitting back, raking in the dollars, when in reality, there are tangible losses that come with land ownership.
newracer
03-11-2013, 13:06
Many landowners do make a lot of money off hunting tags, most probably do not.
There are already many ways a landowner can get multiple tags. My nephew had 7 deer tags last year for use on his property.
HBARleatherneck
03-11-2013, 13:41
having wildlife on your land or use your land as highway ( such as deer, elk, antelope, buffalo, etc.) cost landowners money. period.
they break down fences. they tear down hay stacks, they eat the grass and alfalfa, that the ground we pay for produces. We improve the land, we work the land. Wildlife can then cause us to have to BUY supplemental feed for our own animals. And what do we get out of it? not much.
The DOW allows persons who own at least 160 acres to put in for landowner tags. I dont know all the ins and outs of it, but you dont get a bunch of tags to get rich on. Maybe the smart folks who paid good money for land in great Elk and Big Horn areas might make some money. AND THEY SHOULD. THEY PAID FOR THE LAND. If you dont like it, buy some land. Then we can see if you get rich from it. I have been to large mountain ranches where the elk population has devoured whole hay stacks of BOUGHT hay. I have seen these herds destroy fences. I guess landowners should get nothing for the damage and losses, because the city public thinks the animals belong to everyone. Its not welfare, if we feed them and get them a place to live, we should get a little something in return.
Why do they give land owner tags to begin with?
I would think part of it is, there is so much private land, that they know the wildlife lives on private land. They know that the animal herds could get too big, if they stayed on private land and were not managed. I think maybe they know its the right thing to do, to let land owners harvest a managed amount of animals for our personal use. Whether that be meat for our friends and family. Or to make up for some of the losses incurred because of wildlife by selling the tag to a city person who will harvest the animal.
HBARleatherneck
03-11-2013, 13:45
According to the Hunter's Education Course, big game species in Colorado are owned by the people of Colorado.
It must be different in some other states, as I have a friend in a Southern state who owns property where he feeds and cares for a large herd of deer. He seems to be able to cull as many as he wants each year, but is careful to assure the overall health of the herd - BUT - he manages all that himself, not the state.
he may have actually stocked the property. lots of game ranches back east and down south have stocked properties with tall fences, so there is no comingling of public and private animals. I know guys with Elk herds. I have owned buffalo and my cousin has a large buffalo operation in Erie and up near Irvings land. So, we can own game animals. They are not caught from wild herds and fenced in though.
Aloha_Shooter
03-11-2013, 14:17
But you do not own all the antelope on your land.
Conversely, citified hippy f-cks from Fort Fun own NONE of the antelope on his land.
newracer
03-11-2013, 14:35
Conversely, citified hippy f-cks from Fort Fun own NONE of the antelope on his land.
Actually I own just as much of them as you do or he does. For the record I am far from a certified hippy fuck and I take serious offense to your comment.
I have been to large mountain ranches where the elk population has devoured whole hay stacks of BOUGHT hay. I have seen these herds destroy fences. I guess landowners should get nothing for the damage and losses, because the city public thinks the animals belong to everyone. Its not welfare, if we feed them and get them a place to live, we should get a little something in return.
Do a search on "CDOW big game damage program" as the CDOW can help with payments for damage caused by big game for every thing from devoured hay, to destroyed fences, to in home damage caused by bears, to lifestock depredation. The CDOW will even help with cost to try to prevent further damage such as fenceing costs, etc.
spqrzilla
03-11-2013, 17:13
Landowners / outfitters can get "special" tags. However, it is through the Ranching For Wildlife program and is a good deal for all. Landowners with enough land (and CPW will allow you to aggregate several landowners together under one program) can enter into the Ranching for Wildlife program. The landowner/outfitter then gets 90% of the buck/bull tags for the property and the public can apply for the remaining 10% of buck/bull and all the cow/doe tags allocated. The public who draw then get no-fee access to the private land. The outfitter gets tags with an extended season during which to sell guided / self-guided hunts onto the property.
Larry Ashcraft
03-11-2013, 17:50
I feel that if you own the land you should have free reign to do what you want on that land. Including killing any animals on your property that you find to be either a problem or just plain tasty.
Nope. Maybe coyotes and other pests, but not game animals. And, yes, I do own land with plenty of turkeys and deer, but we leave them alone unless we have a license for them. The game licensing system works pretty well, let's just leave it alone.
Also, I have a cousin who is a rancher. He doesn't make "a lot of money" on anything, but he manages his resources so he can make a living off the land. Wheat, hay, cattle and hunting (he's an outfitter too). You need to use all the resources of your land to make it pay, especially with what land costs these days. You just have to hope that a bad wheat crop will be offset by a decent price for beef, or vice versa.
HBARleatherneck
03-11-2013, 18:01
I was never implying that I think we should be able to kill whatever was on our land. I agree the system is more or less working. I just find it ridiculous some people think landowners shouldnt get a special deal. If my neighbor has a herd of 100-200 antelope eating his grass, selling him a tag to harvest a couple per year isnt too much to ask. Me I never have more than 13 or so in the herd that frequents my place.
brokenscout
03-11-2013, 18:48
It makes me mad you have to own 160 acres to get LO tags, and the Outfitters lately think all of CO is their private reserve. I'm tired of putting up signs, tired of people telling me "I didn't know it was private property". Fuck people in general. Wish I could by land mines.
brokenscout
03-11-2013, 18:50
Wish instead of giving more LO tags, they would make it for 50 or more acres:)
I think this bill should not be passed as well. The DOW and the biologists should make the decisions, not some misinformed fuckstain beurocrats that do not listen to logic or reason when it comes to constitutional rights. How are they going to decide something on that which they don't listen to the experts.
The DOW was amazing at its job before they were forced to join with the parks. The parks were always in the Red. The DOW was always in the black.
JohnTRourke
03-12-2013, 05:50
Hello!!!!!!!!! Playing by the rules is for suckers. Look around. Pick any subject.
do what you need to do about animals depredating your livestock.
I was never implying that I think we should be able to kill whatever was on our land. I agree the system is more or less working. I just find it ridiculous some people think landowners shouldnt get a special deal. If my neighbor has a herd of 100-200 antelope eating his grass, selling him a tag to harvest a couple per year isnt too much to ask. Me I never have more than 13 or so in the herd that frequents my place.
This seems to be a pretty important part of this. Landowners still have to purchase the tags.
d_striker
03-24-2013, 19:20
(http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/spo/3673159765.html)
the red portion is the craigslist ad. the below portion is my RANT Beware swearing offensive language below.
You have to be kidding me. So, if us landowners get extra tags we are getting rich? FUCK YOU. its not our fault some city fucks spend all their money on dildos and starbucks coffee. We spend our money on LAND. I have antelope on my property daily. They eat the grass that my cows should be eating. That costs me money in feed. And yet, I dont get to shoot antelope. I have to wait and get 7 years worth of preference points (or whatever it is now). If you want to protest landowner tags. FU Buy, some damn land and shut the fuck up.
This is something some communist piece of shit fuck stain would say. "private individuals and land owners should give us their stuff" because...
i dont think its fair that I cant hunt geese in denver by the zoo. I dont think its fair they wont let me do an "African Safari" hunt at the zoo.
I'll come shoot a speed goat on your property if you let me...Seriously, PM me.
DavieD55
03-24-2013, 19:40
I think this bill should not be passed as well. The DOW and the biologists should make the decisions, not some misinformed fuckstain beurocrats that do not listen to logic or reason when it comes to constitutional rights. How are they going to decide something on that which they don't listen to the experts.
The DOW was amazing at its job before they were forced to join with the parks. The parks were always in the Red. The DOW was always in the black.
+1 Lickenstupid and the dems wanted to merge the two because of the state run bureaucracy was in the red. I am tired of the socialist political experiments. I will not be purchasing a hunting or fishing license in Colorado... I'll take my business to WY.
screagle2
03-31-2013, 12:14
http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/spo/3673159765.html (http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/spo/3673159765.html)
Deer, elk and pronghorn landowner vouchers! - $1 (Colorado)
Colorado Parks and Wildlife is trying to give more of your hunting tags to landowners.
Senate bill 13-188 proposes to raise the percentage of tags landowners receive west of I-25 from 15% to 20%, and east of I-25 to 25%. Think about how this will affect your chances to draw tags in years to come!
Please write or call your Representatives and Senators and urge them to vote NO on SB13-188. And while you're at it, write the Director of Colorado Parks and Wildlife, Rick Cables, and tell him he should be ashamed of himself for selling out the average hunter to line the pockets of landowners and outfitters.
This bill will pass and you will never get those lost tags back if you don't email and call today!
the red portion is the craigslist ad. the below portion is my RANT Beware swearing offensive language below.
You have to be kidding me. So, if us landowners get extra tags we are getting rich? FUCK YOU. its not our fault some city fucks spend all their money on dildos and starbucks coffee. We spend our money on LAND. I have antelope on my property daily. They eat the grass that my cows should be eating. That costs me money in feed. And yet, I dont get to shoot antelope. I have to wait and get 7 years worth of preference points (or whatever it is now). If you want to protest landowner tags. FU Buy, some damn land and shut the fuck up.
This is something some communist piece of shit fuck stain would say. "private individuals and land owners should give us their stuff" because...
i dont think its fair that I cant hunt geese in denver by the zoo. I dont think its fair they wont let me do an "African Safari" hunt at the zoo.
As a 3rd generation landowner who has supported (read fed and provided habitat) wildlife in Co., I have not been able to draw under landowner preference for Antelope or Deer on my property with less than 4 points. I do not always wish to harvest an animal, but as I a, the sole provider on my land, I do wish that I could at least stalk them. We also stand 100% of damage done to crops by this game. We did try the Div of Wildlife damage claim procedure, but it is rendered pretty much useless in Eastern Co.
Personally, I do not believe that I have the right to sell tags.......I understand that is one manner in which to recover some of the costs of damage, I just don't like it any better than outfitters selling licenses.
Do to such opinions as the above, that are more and more prevalent each year, we chose last year to close our 20,000 + acres of land to hunting. In the past, anyone that would ask permission BEFORE they hunted, were granted such. We have thought the years, also allowed a large number of people the chance to use some areas for recreational shooting.
Continued feelings that as landowners we may provide all that is necessary for the survival as well as the betterment of all game, yet we should have a lesser chance for draw under land owner preference than others, will continue to promote a growing feeling of disregard directed to us.
Your choice, and many of you have made it, and sadly, others who still respect the contribution that landowners make, will continue to find areas open for hunting and recreation continue to shrink.
Cuss or discuss at your will, as I have presented my points, and will leave this thread alone.
For those of you who will give this thought without emotion, I Thank You for that.
screagle2
03-31-2013, 12:25
Do a search on "CDOW big game damage program" as the CDOW can help with payments for damage caused by big game for every thing from devoured hay, to destroyed fences, to in home damage caused by bears, to lifestock depredation. The CDOW will even help with cost to try to prevent further damage such as fenceing costs, etc.
Obviously you have never taken part in the program, and have no idea of how it is structured. I in fact believe that it is one of the landowners responsibilities to maintain HEALTHY, prudent numbers of game. I do not feel that damages that run well into the 5 figure range is my responsibility.
To newracer, if you wish to claim ownership, fine, then shut up and claim responsibility as well........???? Hmm not so willing are you?
To everyone else. People such as newracer are the reason you are losing hunting areas. He can badmouth landowners all he wishes, and results will be more pronounced,
During my first response, I was actually feeling bad about our response to hunting. After reading more from newracer, I am more resolved to keep our property closed to hunters unless the mood of people changes. We can't change that, it will have to come from within the hunting community.
screagle2
03-31-2013, 12:34
Chillax brah. It's not my fault you spent all your coin on some dirt and a fence. ;)
Its good to know you will never be wanting to hunt or shoot on any place other than public access. GL
i am guessing that you are the type to leave all of your crap on someone else's "dirt" ?????
Its good to know you will never be wanting to hunt or shoot on any place other than public access. GL
i am guessing that you are the type to leave all of your crap on someone else's "dirt" ?????
see the smiley I'm sure he was being sarcastic, you wake up on the rag this morning? you sure are having one hell of an argument with yourself. you have 18 posts and the last three of them are in this thread pounding your chest.
screagle2
03-31-2013, 16:33
see the smiley I'm sure he was being sarcastic, you wake up on the rag this morning? you sure are having one hell of an argument with yourself. you have 18 posts and the last three of them are in this thread pounding your chest.
Not pounding my chest at all. I am just really disappointed that so many feel it is acceptable to disregard someone else's rights while only thinking of their own. No smiley on the original post, that bothered me. Since post count apparently equates to worthiness, I can live with that.
I would suggest that the next time people are denied access, they might ask. I still wonder why many feel disrespect should warrant the opportunity to hunt or shoot on someone else's land? Guess I always will.
You might also understand if you had helped me clean up all of the junk thrown out by a person caught poaching a deer, while his vehicle was parked less than 10' from a Hunting by Permission Only sign????? These things happen all too often, and I get tired of it.
Have a good day. I'm done
No smiley on the original post, that bothered me.
You should spend more time reading before you post. The first post was a direct quote from an ad the original poster found on Craig's List. Did you not see that the original poster disagreed with the ad he posted about?
By the way, I have my own "dirt" to shoot on and clean up; I don't need yours.
I live in the city and buy my fair share of Starbucks and dildos. I feel that if you own the land you should have free reign to do what you want on that land. Including killing any animals on your property that you find to be either a problem or just plain tasty.
You beat me to the punch. The fact that you have to ask and pay, and more important only harvest a couple days a year is completely silly. How many times are we gonna talk about dildos? dildos, dildos, dildos, dildos. I my self would spend a little extra for something that takes batteries.
I can't draw an elk tag for the area that I live in but my son in law gets an out of state tag, whats the deal?
Then who owns the antelope?
The people own the antelope. And the deer and every other non domestic animal. That is the point behind the landowner tag. The animals belong to the people so the tags for the landowner are a way for them to recoup lost profits from loss of feed for their cows and loss of crops. If a landowner allows no hunting what so ever on their property they cannot apply for wildlife damage reimbursement. I agree with the concept behind landowner tags but the tags are not being used as they are meant. I don't know about eastern Colorado, but over the hill the tags are being sold at preimium prices , then the buyer is told he can't hunt the property for which the tag was issued. For those who don't know, a landowner tag is good for the property it was issued and any public land in that same unit. Tag brokers are selling these tags at a premium then not allowing the ranch property to be hunted. I don't care if a guy wants to charge $5000 for a tag, but I'm buying the right to hunt the ranch, not go combat hunting with everyone else.
It makes me mad you have to own 160 acres to get LO tags, and the Outfitters lately think all of CO is their private reserve. I'm tired of putting up signs, tired of people telling me "I didn't know it was private property". Fuck people in general. Wish I could by land mines.
we feed a herd of antalope on our property (1 bull 4 girls) i cant tell you the amount of dumb ass hunters who have climbed my LOCKED gate and literally knocked no trasspassing signs over thinking somehow i wouldnt mind.....last year i started greeting them with the AR and chest rig on....oddly enough we havnt seen ANY on our property this year :D
losttrail
06-03-2013, 09:44
According to the Hunter's Education Course, big game species in Colorado are owned by the people of Colorado.
It must be different in some other states, as I have a friend in a Southern state who owns property where he feeds and cares for a large herd of deer. He seems to be able to cull as many as he wants each year, but is careful to assure the overall health of the herd - BUT - he manages all that himself, not the state.
What they call "hunting" down south is called "baiting" up north and is banned. As it should be. Sitting in a blind 50 yards from a corn fedder is not hunting.
losttrail
06-03-2013, 09:52
I think this bill should not be passed as well. The DOW and the biologists should make the decisions, not some misinformed fuckstain beurocrats that do not listen to logic or reason when it comes to constitutional rights. How are they going to decide something on that which they don't listen to the experts.
The DOW was amazing at its job before they were forced to join with the parks. The parks were always in the Red. The DOW was always in the black.
Agreed.
It's sad that we have a bunch of anti-gun dick-bobs who think the wilderness is that 1/3 acre lot their house sits on or the park acroos the street from their condo, are the ones making these decisions. It should be the DOW, biologists AND landowners working together to come up with a viable plan.
Growing up in MT we had land and were subject to deer and elk damaging fences, eating crops, tearing up crops and soil during rut. It's amazing what damage a herd of 20-50 deer or elk can cause overnight.
What they call "hunting" down south is called "baiting" up north and is banned. As it should be. Sitting in a blind 50 yards from a corn fedder is not hunting. Really. So is sitting in a blind over a water hole waiting for antelope to come drink not hunting either? What about sitting over bait for bear. What about shooting a treed mtn. lion? Just because it's not YOUR way of hunting, ya gotta be careful about pointing fingers at how someone else chooses to "hunt".
Some like to hunt with long range rifles and kill at 1000 yards, and some like to get with-in 20 yards with a stick and string. Both methods of hunting, although some don't like one or the other.
Damn, this hunting thing is complex and confusing! I've never hunted big game, just some bird hunting as a young'un back in OK.
I'd really like to get just ONE deer before I croak, just so I can say I did it and enjoy some venison like everyone else. But man, all the rules and regulations - I don't know which way to turn or where to start. And I REFUSE to pay huge money for an outfitter or guide, that kinda defeats the whole idea IMO.
Guess I need to find a Parks and Wildlife office and get some guidance.
Really. So is sitting in a blind over a water hole waiting for antelope to come drink not hunting either? What about sitting over bait for bear. What about shooting a treed mtn. lion? Just because it's not YOUR way of hunting, ya gotta be careful about pointing fingers at how someone else chooses to "hunt".
Some like to hunt with long range rifles and kill at 1000 yards, and some like to get with-in 20 yards with a stick and string. Both methods of hunting, although some don't like one or the other.
Actually hunting over bait in co is illegal unless it changed this year
True.. I used the example to simply point out that there's more than one way to skin and cat, and just because you may not like how someone else does it doesn't make it "wrong", just different.
ssgenuine
06-05-2013, 09:40
Holy shit Ron, I totally forgot about you. You will be killing a deer this year out here.
I can't speak for all the wardens, but mine is the bomb. Casey not only has his shit in one pile, he keeps it covered. East of Parker we have a glut of mule deer. On ten acres I will have anywhere from 10-50 go through our pasture in a day. Our top was right at 80. Does are now having triplets. If the wildlife has a financial impact on your business, you might be able to get depredation tags (might be called management tags now). One of my neighbors and I get some each year to control doe populations. It appears in the new regs that over the counter doe tags are unlimited in this area. With the herds out here a few hundred less deer would really help the gene pool. Casey mentioned that they have seen mega herds of 100 plus when they did the helicopter survey. As landowners we need to be proactive in game management, the wardens seem to have a feel for problem areas and what needs to be done, certainly worth a call to talk to them anyway.
Like many others, I have lots of anxiety over the merge of DOW and Parks. I know of some ranger ricks from some nearby lakes that I don't want interpreting hunting laws and how they apply to me. They might want to measure my blaze orange.
And screagle, you know not everyone is trespassers, they are out there and I think we all hate them. Most hunters I have run into are very respectful of private property, but I do understand the sentiment. Same as having your car or house broken into, kinda makes you wonder if you could make your hot wire 110 volt???
I can see both sides of the civil part of this debate. Given the lack of public land in eastern Colorado I am going to Wyoming this year for Antelope. Leftover tags are cheap.
brokenscout
06-16-2013, 07:47
I'm with ya,lol
I can see both sides of the civil part of this debate. Given the lack of public land in eastern Colorado I am going to Wyoming this year for Antelope. Leftover tags are cheap.
I think this bill should not be passed as well. The DOW and the biologists should make the decisions, not some misinformed fuckstain beurocrats that do not listen to logic or reason when it comes to constitutional rights. How are they going to decide something on that which they don't listen to the experts.
The DOW was amazing at its job before they were forced to join with the parks. The parks were always in the Red. The DOW was always in the black.
I agree that DOW/CPW and the biologists should make the decision, and i have no idea if they were in the crafting of this bill. What i do know is, however they messed up the draw a few years back seems to give a lot more preference to out of staters. I think if this bill passes there should also be another that gives less preference to the out of staters in the draw and pumps more money into the pockets of the people that "own" the game, the residents of Colorado. In such a Denver-centric political atmosphere we are in i think this finally does something for the people that live in rural Colorado. A lot of the farmers and ranches make enough to scrape by and even if they do not sell their tags for a lot they are still making extra money through the tags and less property maintenance for non essential things like upgrading the farm truck that has started to cost a lot in maintenance, buy something nice for the kids or wife, etc etc. The 5% in the mountains is not a huge change all things considered and a 10% change in the plains may give us an even better chance to hunt where good public lands are hard to come by.
Rucker61
06-16-2013, 10:39
I can see both sides of the civil part of this debate. Given the lack of public land in eastern Colorado I am going to Wyoming this year for Antelope. Leftover tags are cheap.
Cheap, and they've opened up some mule deer doe tags this year. I have a rancher who wants some killed off his land, so I'll be heading back there.
Cheap, and they've opened up some mule deer doe tags this year. I have a rancher who wants some killed off his land, so I'll be heading back there.
Nice, the only private land I can hunt is in SE Nebraska, so other than that have to find public places.
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