The Second American Revolution

[teotwawki]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKFKGrmsBDk

[ssf467]

Don't wake us

[teotwawki]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h27HRNm_r4U

[Gman]

Better stock up on aluminum foil there teotwawki.

[teotwawki]

Laugh while you can...




Better stock up on aluminum foil there teotwawki.

[Hoser]

Your avatar is very offensive. Please consider changing it.

[teotwawki]

I'm a combat veteran, I know how to handle the flag. I feel our Constitutional Republic, which is represented by that flag is in dire peril.

I choose to fly it upside down as a sign of distress - the other option would be to fly it in a wheft. I don't see why that offends you so?

Care to explain?





Your avatar is very offensive. Please consider changing it.

[teotwawki]

As a means to educate:
Upside down flag is distress signal

MARGA KELLOGG
Staff Writer OCEANSIDE ---- In the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, D.C., Vietnam veteran Dana Rickard began flying his flag upside down, a move which he said caused him to be harassed by some people.

Rickard said flying the flag upside down is a standard military distress signal and was never intended to be disrepectful.

"It means we need some help here. That's American heritage, it has nothing to do with saying anything bad about the flag," said Rickard, an Oceanside resident.

The United States Flag Code supports Richard's statement.

The code formalizes and unifies the traditional ways in which we give respect to the flag and includes the following:

The flag should never be dipped to any person or thing.

It is flown upside down only as a distress signal.

The flag should not be used as a drapery, or for covering a speakers desk, draping a platform, or for any decoration in general. Bunting of blue, white and red stripes is available for these purposes. The blue stripe of the bunting should be on the top.

The flag should never be used for any advertising purpose. It should not be embroidered, printed or otherwise impressed on such articles as cushions, handkerchiefs, napkins, boxes, or anything intended to be discarded after temporary use. Advertising signs should not be attached to the staff or halyard.

The flag should not be used as part of a costume or athletic uniform, except that a flag patch may be used on the uniform of military personnel, fireman, policeman and members of patriotic organizations.

The flag should never have placed on it, or attached to it, any mark, insignia, letter, word, number, figure, or drawing of any kind.

The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.

----

And I agree with him.

[HunterCO]

Are you in combat and in distress????

Are the illegall imigrants that do the same damn thing, In combat for this country or distress???

"The flag should never be dipped to any person or thing. It is flown upside down only as a distress signal."

I still stand by my PM!

[teotwawki]

As a Patriot I am in distress. I feel that we are in extreme danger - to both our lives and property.

Hey it's your forum. Do as you will. I cannot stop you. But I think you're making a mistake.


Are you in combat and in distress????

Are the illegall imigrants that do the same damn thing, In combat for this country or distress???

"The flag should never be dipped to any person or thing. It is flown upside down only as a distress signal."

I still stand by my PM!

[HunterCO]

As a Patriot I am in distress. I feel that we are in extreme danger - to both our lives and property.

Hey it's your forum. Do as you will. I cannot stop you. But I think you're making a mistake.

This is not my forum I only work here for a 6 figure salary. However you eluded the fact that the flag is only hung upside down in dire need.

You also eluded the fact that the illegal immigrants do the same damn thing as your doing. So I guess that means they are in dire need also??

I guess the next time I see illegal immigrants marching and flying the American flag upside down below the mexican flag I will shake their hand and congratulate them. After all they must be in dire need just like you.

You just don't get it do you?

[Gman]

A six figure salary? Are you guys hiring?[WooHoo]

The flag hung upside down is only used for a real emergency. You are not seeking immediate help. teotwawki, you are using the upside down flag to make a statement, and that is not an acceptable use.

[teotwawki]

To use your logic I should take your guns away from you because other people have used guns in the past to perpetrate crime.

To answer another's post - how would you know what level of distress I'm in? Or the country? You're busy bellyaching about some 0's and 1's on some online forum?

This righteous indignation some display about issues like this one has nothing to do with being a Patriot.

Instead of being bellicose about our flag how about folks do something about the trouble our Republic is in? Instead of some sad attempt at the restriction of someone else's free speech? Of course this is private property so free speech does not apply acoording to those "activist judges" right?

Guys you cannot have it both ways. Either you support the spirit of the founding documents of the Constitutional Republic or not.

Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. -Sam Jackson

p.s. Go ahead and argue amongst yourselves, I'm done with this. I'm sure my avatar will be removed and/or my account banned it's all good. Hope yall sleep well.


This is not my forum I only work here for a 6 figure salary. However you eluded the fact that the flag is only hung upside down in dire need.

You also eluded the fact that the illegal immigrants do the same damn thing as your doing. So I guess that means they are in dire need also??

I guess the next time I see illegal immigrants marching and flying the American flag upside down below the mexican flag I will shake their hand and congratulate them. After all they must be in dire need just like you.

You just don't get it do you?

[Gman]

There's a reason this community gets along. We don't feel a need to urinate in the communal watering hole. We know how to whiz, and we know where the watering hole is, but we don't do it out of mutual respect. I'm not getting a sense of that understanding from your posts.

That doesn't mean we all agree on everything. I've seen and participated in some heated exchanges. We can still respect each other as individuals. When someone gets belligerent and plays the martyr...that doesn't go so well. When you play with the bull, sometimes you get the horns.

You moan about us not understanding your level of distress, yet you seem to want to speak to the state of the nation. The upside down flag is not a political statement. It means "I need help now!" and is used as a way to gain attention because it is easily identified as being improper display.

[Hoser]

I'm a combat veteran, I know how to handle the flag.
We, not just you, are everywhere.


As a Patriot I am in distress. I feel that we are in extreme danger - to both our lives and property.
Then call 911.

[BadShot]

Wow.. we digress so quickly. While I personally don't think things are as bad as some would have us believe, I also think that we, this community have really made some rather poor decisions lately. I don't give that much of a crap if dude wants to use an upside down flag for his avatar, it's his statement, I don't have to agree with it.

Would I, another combat veteran, son and grandson of combat veterans do something like this.. nope.. but like Hoser likes to point out, we are everywhere and now there are thousands more of us. We fought, suffered and gave up our own rights so that others may have theirs. The comment that this site of all sites that we frequent, purport to support and abide by the Constitution of this great country, yet some one gets a kink in their panties and all of that seems to fly out the window.

What a sad and pathetic commentary on what some here have become. I, a long time member, have grown increasingly disappointed with the direction the "community" is going. I'm not the only one. We are a small and fragile group these days, with very little to offer new members because of failures in the system like this thread.

[westy1970]

I teotwawki's point was to wake up and smell what this country is becoming. We have the largest debt, government, wastes, mismanaged war and civil rights abuses in the history of it. It gets worse every day and every election. It won't matter who our next POTUS is, it will get worse. We are poised to become Europe, only worse.

I, for one, will just keep my head in the sand, so as not to offend anyone. I will vote party line, because that is what I am told to do.

[Gman]

Right. You are the only 2 people that can tell that we're headed in the wrong direction.[Roll1] The federal government is out of control and has usurped the authority of the states. This is something that has been in the making since before we were born.

Westy1970, you seem to have a chip on your shoulder since nobody is talking about 'party lines' or keeping their heads in the sand.

Personally, I think this country is headed toward another revolution. Will it happen in my lifetime? Who knows? Seeing as this is the Internet and open to anyone that wants to take a peek, there are limits to what we can say. Marksmanship is a good skill to have. I sure as hell would rather work on my skills than have to deal with the repercussions of anyone advocating a revolution.

The first video was a good one. I had seen it elsewhere and it tells us to make sure our representatives are hearing us. It worked recently in the attempt to slam down "immigration reform" in the form of amnesty. The people spoke and the politicians had to listen. The second video was propagandist pap.

We need to do what we can to get this country headed back in the right direction. I believe that most of us hold similar values and would agree on the majority of issues, but you can see the divisiveness that the avatar has brought out in this thread. I find disrespecting the flag as a political statement to be counterproductive.

[westy1970]

Westy1970, you seem to have a chip on your shoulder since nobody is talking about 'party lines' or keeping their heads in the sand.

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I was just tying together many similar threads were we have been told we are absolutly wrong in our thinking and we are stupid if we don't vote for McCain. So, no chip. I didn't see his avatar as my internet has been down, and I did not watch the second video yet, but I plan to.

Anyone want to guess what teotwawki stands for? His screen name should tell you where he is coming from.

As for my .02 (worthless because it is no longer backed by anything). I think the government is out to get us. Ron Paul is one of the few who are currently in office who has a clue.

“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.” - William Pitt the Younger

Funny enough, an Englishman understood more about Liberty than most Americans these day.

[westy1970]

Just watched the second video.
No feelings about it either way...

[Gman]

Anyone want to guess what teotwawki stands for? His screen name should tell you where he is coming from.[Faint]

Do you really think we're that thick?

Ron Paul is a politician. He says what he thinks people want to hear, just like every other politician. He just happens to say something to a different audience. He still games the system to pump earmark money to his consituents like the rest of them. He promises to fix things that are not part of the role of POTUS, meanwhile he does nothing to fix those same things in Congress where they do have a role in making those changes. He doesn't understand the motives of radical Islam. His ideas on why we were attacked on 9-11 are just flat-out dangerous, IMO. But if it helps you to sleep at night, vote for him. See if it changes things.

One man isn't going to change the state of the nation for the better. The people need to make changes locally and act locally to put representatives in DC that better represent what they want. The problem you have with this is that when the majority are getting something from the government, it becomes mob rule.

[westy1970]

I agree about Paul. But he says it anyway. No one else is.

I also agree we need to start locally, but what the majority do is to vote party line and not care what their "representatives" do. We say "CLOSE THE BORDER!!!" and they ignore us. When they try to pass legislation to give amnesty and we shout, they re-word it or shelf it for another day. They think we are dumb, and most of us are. My FIL believes with every ounce of his being that taxes should be raised so everyone can have healthcare and education. I tell him that I will lose my house and my job, but "sacrifices have to be made to help the little guy". I am not a little guy, but I will be. I will be a criminal for owning guns and homeless because I was taxed out of a job. Either of our 2 parties is out for complete control. We are facing an economic collapse and no one cares. "Oh, it won't happen again. Our Government will take care of it". No- they won't. It is in thier best interest not to. If they can enslave us, then they can deliver us in the form of the North American Union and the Amero. And we will thank them for it. Freedom will die with the cheering of the people.

[westy1970]

I don't know why I cannot resist these threads. All they do it keep me up all night going "OOHH, I should have said [this]! That would have told them!" These threads are fun for that.

[Gman]

That we can agree on.[Coffee]

[<MADDOG>]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKFKGrmsBDk

[reddevil1111]

How many of us are really happy with our political situation? Or with the direction its taking? I doubt very many are happy. I think a lot of people will be in the breadlines if there is much more taxation. I dance on the border of the breadline almost every month and have for over 2 years.
Untill a large group of VOTERS (I bet a bunch of ya'll won't vote this time)
untill we as a group decide to change the system it wont be getting better. And being labled a terrorist or a criminal is something you had better be willing to have hung on you and your deeds.
How many of us are willing to do anything that risks our freedom personally? Will you die for your beliefs? Words are meaningless without action. When will that time really come? How do you know for sure its the right time? I want to do right but not alone and for no gains in rights.
Untill a real leader steps forward that I can belive in....I think its all a waste of air.
Rather than bitch slap each other as a form of fun, understand that not everyone belives the same(thank God huh?)..or Budda or whatever you belive in... I like the fact that we are different. Sometimes it makes me want to choke my computer monitor...but thats just the way of the net.
As a combat marine,a civilian, a father and husband, I refuse to be a sheep and let the wolfs snack anywhere near me. But tell me, when is it going to be enough? Will it be enough when we become the minority in our own country? Will it be enough when the national symbols are diluted or changed to be correct for current beliefs and not for the true history? Will it be enough when I pay for sins that my family didnt commit? (I am a second generation Irishman..er...American.)
When will we require the language in schools to include Irish for my kids?
When you guys all realize you all feel pretty much the same and all want the same for our country, maybe take a breath and remember we need each other for the coming days.
Like me Da used to say, pass me another beer and reload this![Beer]

[ssf467]

GDP is 75% consumption.

[Mtn.man]

Barack Obama's Ten Point Plan -- "Change we can believe in"

1) Ban use of firearms for home self-defense.

2) Pass Federal laws eliminating your Right-to-carry.

3) Ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.

4) Close down 90&#37; of the gun shops in America.

5) Ban rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.

6) Increase federal taxes on guns and ammunition by 500 percent.

7) Restore voting rights for five million criminals including those who have been convicted of using a gun to commit a violent crime.

8) Expand the Clinton semi-auto ban to include millions more firearms.

9) Mandate a government-issued license to purchase a firearm.

10) Appoint judges to the U.S. Supreme Court and Federal judiciary who share his views on the Second Amendment.

[ssf467]

Well the 2A has been safe thus far, it has fared better that the 1st,4th,5th,6th & 8th. So I guess it's win win.

[Mtn.man]

Just the amendment, but it has taken a beating in the fact that local gov. can stipulate what and when you can or cannot own a gun.
Taxing, outlawing ammo and guns, changing the wording of the laws to suit the anti's.. don't think that they can't make it tough on you and make you a felon so that you can't own a gun.

just posting on a forum like this that is looked at by the Big Brothers henchmen could be considered an act against the government and Flag you as a terrorist.....

[ssf467]

1 out of 300 Americans is on the terror list. Good Job! Keep sleeping

[Mtn.man]

we need to increase that to 300 outa 300......LOL