View Full Version : Armslist sting . . . we'll probably start seeing this here after July 1st
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For Sale: BEWARE OF THE COOK COUNTY SHERIFF Price:$223.00
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BEWARE OF THE COOK COUNTY SHERIFF
I had a rifle on armslist that I was looking to dump, nothing important. When I received a email from a buyer telling me they wanted to purchase the rifle. We exchanged phone numbers. I received a text last friday asking me to meet the buyer. I was working, but wasn't busy.
They wanted to meet in Oak Park, I said NO WAY.
They recommended a different spot. I agreed, the Portillos on Roosevelt and DesPlanes. There is a gun range a couple of blocks from there that I thought would be a better place but, it was Friday and I was more afraid of rush hour then I was of the location.
Long story short, it smelled and looked wrong. the car was a pick up with black windows. I'm thinking gangbanger. When I pull up two guys get out of the car, but they are both older white guys. They didn't match the car. They look over the rifle, but when it comes time to sign the paper work, the guy doesn't have a FOID card. He tells me he has a domestic arrest.
I tell him I can't sell him the rifle, he offers more money, I reject his offer. He keeps try. I keep saying NO.
Next thing I know, there are 50 cops surrounding me, they are searching my car, and handcuffing me and toss me in the back of a car.
Within 15 minutes I'm in the Maywood sheriff station. They are asking where I live, how many guns do I own, how many I've sold. The experience was rough and distressing. I didn't want to answer any questions.
All I can think is that I'm in handcuffs for some reason, did I break a law I wasn't aware of. If I answer a question wrong I end up in a jump suit.
Turns out, I didn't break any laws. They want me to give them information that I didn't have. I almost had a heart attack. I walked out an hour later with my rifle.
What the bloody hell was that. Is this how we threat citizens when political fortunes are on the line. It took me a week before I had the nerve to post on this site. I use be mad at people who refused to sell to cook county residents. Now I understand, its not worth it.
How native was I, be-careful. FTF is hard enough without having to worry about bogus stings.
ChunkyMonkey
03-12-2013, 12:51
That part of the country is a lost cause.
Zundfolge
03-12-2013, 12:54
That part of the country is a lost cause.
Yeah, but I guarantee you there will be similar stings in Denver this summer.
Sounds like that letter/essay was written BY COOK CO. Sheriff's office.
blacklabel
03-12-2013, 12:59
We'll be seeing this in just a few short months.
kidicarus13
03-12-2013, 13:02
Yeah, but I guarantee you there will be similar stings in Denver this summer.
I would agree, some agency will try to see what's available out there after July 1. Although a lot of people are paranoid about this currently happening I am unaware of any gun buy stings that have occurred in the metro area. Feel free to enlighten me if I am wrong.
brokenscout
03-12-2013, 13:19
It's already happening here, trust your gut.
They won't do a sting on all the hookers on westwords backpage, I'd hate to think they would do that for gun sales.
Shootersfab
03-12-2013, 13:25
Oh I agree we will see this shit in Colorado. Sad but true.
kidicarus13
03-12-2013, 13:31
It's already happening here, trust your gut.
Honestly, my gut tells me gun owners are a bit on the paranoid side (right or wrong) and most are willing to perpetuate an unsubstaniated story of BATFE setting up stings and watching gun-related forums (work related, not as a member) look to nab good, honest people. I don't see or hear it but that's why I was asking for correction if I am wrong.
Zundfolge
03-12-2013, 13:36
It's already happening here, trust your gut.
Before the mandatory background check law such stings on Armslist would be a huge waste of time for little gain (and very few arrests). So while it's possible there are some sting-like things going on now (maybe some of those sawed off shotguns we've seen on Armslist were actually ATF stings) I really doubt it.
With the new mandatory bgc law there will be an impetus (especially at first) to smack a few folk down hard to make an example of them.
And kidicarus is right ... gun owners tend to be a little paranoid about these things (but to quote Kurt Cobain; "...just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after you...")
kidicarus13
03-12-2013, 13:38
With the new mandatory bgc law there will be an impetus (especially at first) to smack a few folk down hard to make an example of them- AGREED, PRETTY STANDARD
(but to quote Kurt Cobain; "...just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after you...")- AGREED, A LITTLE PARANOIA IS HEALTHY WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING YOURSELF
"guy doesn't have a FOID card. He tells me he has a domestic arrest."
That should have been fishy right off the bat.
UrbanWolf
03-12-2013, 13:42
We will see this here in CO, bu worse. They will ine you and shot on sight if they feel like it.
buckshotbarlow
03-12-2013, 13:50
start watching out for our purchasing in wyoming..if you purchase, don't come home right away...i recommend a detour...
blacklabel
03-12-2013, 13:54
We will see this here in CO, bu worse. They will ine you and shot on sight if they feel like it.
Well that's a little intense.
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Thousands of felonies not prosecuted, hundreds of homicides without any leads, gang bang problems, inner city violence, etc. in Chicago and they're going after private gun sales that they know will be made up predominately of law abiding citizens. Talking about possible misdemeanor charges worst case scenario?? </div>
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If this story is true then it is simply propaganda. Bloomberg's thugs want so badly to make an example of legally armed citizens and then spew the story forth via mainstream media. I personally wouldn't be surprised if those actions started out here post July since we're on the front line of this assault.</div>
Kraven251
03-12-2013, 13:57
start watching out for our purchasing in wyoming..if you purchase, don't come home right away...i recommend a detour...
I would confirm the legality of that before pursuing that option. It may be a legit loophole in the legislation that was not closed, or you could be breaking the law and putting yourself at risk. It may not be a valid law, or be legitimate, but until that is proven out and has its day in court you don't want to be the example.
Flatline
03-12-2013, 13:59
"guy doesn't have a FOID card. He tells me he has a domestic arrest."
That should have been fishy right off the bat.
That's what I thought. Felons don't usually tell cops that they have a firearm on them, and most drunk drivers deny consuming the actual amount of alcohol.
dwalker460
03-12-2013, 14:20
Has anyone here ever had someone literally tell them
"Hey man, look I cant pass a background check because (insert BS story here), is that cool?"
Just curious, because I have not sold an item because I did not feel like the potential buyer was on the up and up.
On the other side of this, I once bought a gun through a guy I worked with from a cop. The guy I worked with brought in a list of crap this cop was selling off for whatever reason. On it was a Ruger MKII bull barrel for I think $200 (this was 1998-ish) and I gave my coworker the cash and the next day he brought me a shiny Ruger. Great gun. Loved it. Right up until I got pulled over in Reno and put into jail because it was stolen. Stayed in jail for 6 hours. Had to pawn my Dan Wesson .357 for bail. The only reason there was no case pursued against me was because it was missing (stolen) from the evidence locker at the Nashville Airport, and I had the handwritten receipt along with the list of other items for sale in my records. No way I could have gotten it. I gave up the guy that I worked with- his day job was a property room tech, and the cop who sold me the gun. Honestly I should have known better, an property room tech with a list of crap for sale? Shoulda been a red flag for days.
Nowadays if anything smells even remotely funny to hell with it. I also tend to have folks meet me at my shop, where the security cameras are hidden and rolling 24/7 to an off-site hard drive. If I go to meet someone I dont know or have not done business with or no one knows, then I am armed to the teeth and tend to use public places with security cameras rolling- bass pro and Sportsmans are my favorites! Yeah, I am a tick paranoid...
I would agree, some agency will try to see what's available out there after July 1. Although a lot of people are paranoid about this currently happening I am unaware of any gun buy stings that have occurred in the metro area. Feel free to enlighten me if I am wrong.
That is because private party transactions are still legal here. In Illinois both parties need a FOID card or it is a felony. In NY both parties need a NYS Pistol Permit to transfer a handgun and they have an AWB and hi-cap mag ban. After July 1st, Colorado will require BGC for private party transactions and hi-cap mags will be banned.
Great-Kazoo
03-12-2013, 14:47
http://www.armslist.com/posts/1222604/chicago-illinois-rifles-for-sale--beware-of-the-cook-county-sheriff
(http://www.armslist.com/posts/1222604/chicago-illinois-rifles-for-sale--beware-of-the-cook-county-sheriff)
For Sale: BEWARE OF THE COOK COUNTY SHERIFF
Price:$223.00
Seller:
Private Party Listings by this user (http://www.armslist.com/classifieds/search?relatedto=1222604)
Listed On:Saturday, March 09, 2013Listed In:RiflesLocation: Cook County, Chicago, Illinois - Map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&q=Cook%20County,%20Chicago,%20Illinois)
Firearm Type: Rifle Flag |
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BEWARE OF THE COOK COUNTY SHERIFF
I had a rifle on armslist that I was looking to dump, nothing important. When I received a email from a buyer telling me they wanted to purchase the rifle. We exchanged phone numbers. I received a text last friday asking me to meet the buyer. I was working, but wasn't busy.
They wanted to meet in Oak Park, I said NO WAY.
They recommended a different spot. I agreed, the Portillos on Roosevelt and DesPlanes. There is a gun range a couple of blocks from there that I thought would be a better place but, it was Friday and I was more afraid of rush hour then I was of the location.
Long story short, it smelled and looked wrong. the car was a pick up with black windows. I'm thinking gangbanger. When I pull up two guys get out of the car, but they are both older white guys. They didn't match the car. They look over the rifle, but when it comes time to sign the paper work, the guy doesn't have a FOID card. He tells me he has a domestic arrest.
I tell him I can't sell him the rifle, he offers more money, I reject his offer. He keeps try. I keep saying NO.
Next thing I know, there are 50 cops surrounding me, they are searching my car, and handcuffing me and toss me in the back of a car.
Within 15 minutes I'm in the Maywood sheriff station. They are asking where I live, how many guns do I own, how many I've sold. The experience was rough and distressing. I didn't want to answer any questions.
All I can think is that I'm in handcuffs for some reason, did I break a law I wasn't aware of. If I answer a question wrong I end up in a jump suit.
Turns out, I didn't break any laws. They want me to give them information that I didn't have. I almost had a heart attack. I walked out an hour later with my rifle.
What the bloody hell was that. Is this how we threat citizens when political fortunes are on the line. It took me a week before I had the nerve to post on this site. I use be mad at people who refused to sell to cook county residents. Now I understand, its not worth it.
How native was I, be-careful. FTF is hard enough without having to worry about bogus stings.
I call Bullshit. The poster is a looser. Why the fuck do you not Request an ATTORNEY. ??? Fail on his part for allowing said "interrogation" to happen w/out legal counsel.
brokenscout
03-12-2013, 14:55
Yes, had a guy tell me he couldn't pass a background check. End of transaction. But none of the cops like in the org post. I do think he was a cop. Its better to be "paranoid" than be a dumb ass.
Has anyone here ever had someone literally tell them
"Hey man, look I cant pass a background check because (insert BS story here), is that cool?"
Just curious, because I have not sold an item because I did not feel like the potential buyer was on the up and up.
On the other side of this, I once bought a gun through a guy I worked with from a cop. The guy I worked with brought in a list of crap this cop was selling off for whatever reason. On it was a Ruger MKII bull barrel for I think $200 (this was 1998-ish) and I gave my coworker the cash and the next day he brought me a shiny Ruger. Great gun. Loved it. Right up until I got pulled over in Reno and put into jail because it was stolen. Stayed in jail for 6 hours. Had to pawn my Dan Wesson .357 for bail. The only reason there was no case pursued against me was because it was missing (stolen) from the evidence locker at the Nashville Airport, and I had the handwritten receipt along with the list of other items for sale in my records. No way I could have gotten it. I gave up the guy that I worked with- his day job was a property room tech, and the cop who sold me the gun. Honestly I should have known better, an property room tech with a list of crap for sale? Shoulda been a red flag for days.
Nowadays if anything smells even remotely funny to hell with it. I also tend to have folks meet me at my shop, where the security cameras are hidden and rolling 24/7 to an off-site hard drive. If I go to meet someone I dont know or have not done business with or no one knows, then I am armed to the teeth and tend to use public places with security cameras rolling- bass pro and Sportsmans are my favorites! Yeah, I am a tick paranoid...
Jefe's AR
03-12-2013, 15:57
He's pretty native. ;)
ChunkyMonkey
03-12-2013, 16:08
Has anyone here ever had someone literally tell them
"Hey man, look I cant pass a background check because (insert BS story here), is that cool?"
Just curious, because I have not sold an item because I did not feel like the potential buyer was on the up and up..
I have at least two from armslist asking to purchase from out of State through 'family member' in State. Yeah right!
Has anyone here ever had someone literally tell them
"Hey man, look I cant pass a background check because (insert BS story here), is that cool?"
Just curious, because I have not sold an item because I did not feel like the potential buyer was on the up and up.
On the other side of this, I once bought a gun through a guy I worked with from a cop. The guy I worked with brought in a list of crap this cop was selling off for whatever reason. On it was a Ruger MKII bull barrel for I think $200 (this was 1998-ish) and I gave my coworker the cash and the next day he brought me a shiny Ruger. Great gun. Loved it. Right up until I got pulled over in Reno and put into jail because it was stolen. Stayed in jail for 6 hours. Had to pawn my Dan Wesson .357 for bail. The only reason there was no case pursued against me was because it was missing (stolen) from the evidence locker at the Nashville Airport, and I had the handwritten receipt along with the list of other items for sale in my records. No way I could have gotten it. I gave up the guy that I worked with- his day job was a property room tech, and the cop who sold me the gun. Honestly I should have known better, an property room tech with a list of crap for sale? Shoulda been a red flag for days.
Nowadays if anything smells even remotely funny to hell with it. I also tend to have folks meet me at my shop, where the security cameras are hidden and rolling 24/7 to an off-site hard drive. If I go to meet someone I dont know or have not done business with or no one knows, then I am armed to the teeth and tend to use public places with security cameras rolling- bass pro and Sportsmans are my favorites! Yeah, I am a tick paranoid...
That's kinda like buying an Aimpoint, ACOG, Laser, etc. from a GI and thinking it's legit. Um, no. Yes, there are surplus sales but you can betcher ass that pretty much anything you buy around here from a GI may come with a CID visit.
kidicarus13
03-12-2013, 16:46
That's kinda like buying an Aimpoint, ACOG, Laser, etc. from a GI and thinking it's legit. Um, no. Yes, there are surplus sales but you can betcher ass that pretty much anything you buy around here from a GI may come with a CID visit.
I've never heard of a CID visit locally either. I understand they are in charge of investigating these matters but I've never heard of buyer "home visits". Buying 10 NIB ACOGs- yes, buy 10 issued USGI mags- no.
hurley842002
03-12-2013, 17:08
I have at least two from armslist asking to purchase from out of State through 'family member' in State. Yeah right!
Had a guy on Armslist allegedly from Alamosa trying to purchase my 1911 through a family member up here. Could have been a guy ignorant of the law, or could have been something more.....
mdflem51
03-12-2013, 17:29
Much ado about nothing.In the absence of federal legislation, the truckstops in Cheyenne, Raton and Kansas will become "Gunshows" with no laws being broken.
BlasterBob
03-12-2013, 19:19
Much ado about nothing.In the absence of federal legislation, the truckstops in Cheyenne, Raton and Kansas will become "Gunshows" with no laws being broken.
That is partially correct. However, if the firearm (long gun) is purchased in a State other than our home State of Colorado, It'd have to go through a FFL dealer. And that out of State FFL dealer will sell the firearm (long gun only) to the Colorado citizen providing the buyer is not prohibited from buying that particular firearm. After the new law is in action, we will not be legally able to buy the "assault firearm" in another State and bring it back into this great, gun loving State of Colorado.
BlasterBob
03-12-2013, 19:41
Sounds bogus to me
We shall see if it is bogus. Sure hope I am wrong!!!
mdflem51
03-12-2013, 20:04
In this hypothetical situation I raised..A private transaction between individuals is not illegal providing the sale is not to a "prohibited" person. I`m not an FFL therfore not engaging in interstate commerce. I`m not looking for a pissing match.. 1229 will be found to unconstitutional, The lawsuits will cost a lot, and someone will have to prove standing. But..the state government can in no way enforce this ,or police it.
Same with high cap mags, let the prosecution prove it without illegal search and seizures..see how long it takes until they tire of that shit!
brokenscout
03-12-2013, 20:52
I see it being used more for "ammunition" for Bloomberg, Brady & the Dems. Not Actual LE operations. The hidden camera at gunshow kinda thing
NightCat
03-12-2013, 23:30
The Sheriffs of CO already said they wont enforce any unconstitutional Law and knowing my County Sheriff, Sheriff Maketa, he wouldn't pull this kind of crap.
But I'm with y'all, go with your gut instinct.
the state government can in no way enforce this ,or police it.
Same with high cap mags, let the prosecution prove it without illegal search and seizures..see how long it takes until they tire of that shit!
The state government can try to selectively enforce it "as an example to others." As for illegal searches, in places like NY they are common and they are often upheld in court. Gun owners are the new smokers. They are trying to shift public opinion against us by stigmatizing an interest in guns as a type of dangerous mental defect. If they succeed in shifting public opinion against gun owners, I expect to hear about an increase in illegal searches . . . and if you haven't got 50K to spend on your legal defense, good luck fighting it in court.
That is partially correct. However, if the firearm (long gun) is purchased in a State other than our home State of Colorado, It'd have to go through a FFL dealer. And that out of State FFL dealer will sell the firearm (long gun only) to the Colorado citizen providing the buyer is not prohibited from buying that particular firearm.
^this^
After the new law is in action, we will not be legally able to buy the "assault firearm" in another State and bring it back into this great, gun loving State of Colorado.i would think that the only restriction would be mag not gun
Bitter Clinger
03-13-2013, 09:15
^this^
i would think that the only restriction would be mag not gun
I'm not sure but wouldn't a handgun sale between two legal persons in say....arizona or another close by state be completely legal?
BlasterBob
03-13-2013, 09:40
I'm not sure but wouldn't a handgun sale between two legal persons in say....arizona or another close by state be completely legal?
NO!
BlasterBob
03-13-2013, 09:49
^this^
i would think that the only restriction would be mag not gun
Will be the same for the so called "assault" firearm AND/OR the so called High Cap magazine.
If/when the "assault weapon" ban is in effect here in CO, it will be illegal for an out of State FFL dealer to sell such a proclaimed "assault" firearm (and only a long gun at that) to the resident of CO - since that firearm is banned in CO. Sorry but the FFL dealer HAS to make certain first that the firearm is legal in the CO residents home State. This is why FFL dealers are furnished with an ATF issued book containing various State laws that the dealers must be familiar with and comply with. Sad but true.
MuzzleFlash
03-13-2013, 11:38
Honestly, my gut tells me gun owners are a bit on the paranoid side (right or wrong) and most are willing to perpetuate an unsubstaniated story of BATFE setting up stings and watching gun-related forums (work related, not as a member) look to nab good, honest people. I don't see or hear it but that's why I was asking for correction if I am wrong.
I can speak to separate incidents of BATFE spying - one on gun boards, one at the Tanner gun show and several at the Colorado MG shoots Bob McBride used to put on. I won't go into detail to protect my own identity, but believe it. You also should be aware that a common tactic is to entrap someone in a technical violation of the law and then flip them to be a CI to stay out of jail. The Ruby Ridge tragedy started exactly in this manner. Agents that remember their oath, that object to unlawful entrapment, perjury on wiretap warrants, etc., get run out of the agency. Go take a browse on CleanUpATF.org to see how corrupted this agency has become. Research the saga of Vincent Cefalu, one of the last old school agents that had a sense of respect for the Constitution he swore to uphold.
My brother is a career law enforcement official that has worked with several federal agencies up to and including the SS-PPD. He has told me many times that the BATFE is widely viewed as the bottom rung of federal law enforcement.
I have no doubt that the first few gun shows in Cheyenne will hav somebody taking CO plate numbers and forwarding them to CSP over the boarder.
I have no doubt that the first few gun shows in Cheyenne will hav somebody taking CO plate numbers and forwarding them to CSP over the boarder.
Carpool and chip in on a rented SUV.
generalmeow
03-14-2013, 16:30
Him: Sold yet ?
Me: Still have them.
Him: I'm just debating if i should wait for the Tanner gun show this weekend . I've moved out here from San Diego about a year ago and still haven't got a Colorado id so some people are hesitant to sell .
Me: Fuck you
spqrzilla
03-14-2013, 17:38
Honestly, my gut tells me gun owners are a bit on the paranoid side (right or wrong) and most are willing to perpetuate an unsubstaniated story of BATFE setting up stings and watching gun-related forums (work related, not as a member) look to nab good, honest people. I don't see or hear it but that's why I was asking for correction if I am wrong.
Yeah, and the ATF would never actually let their undercover agents actually sell guns to Mexican cartels illegally....
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