NRA giving in?

[brokenscout]

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/12/17286635-sources-nra-wont-oppose-background-check-deal-if-democrats-cede-tough-records-fight?lite

[ChrisC]

The NRA just released a statement saying NO.

http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/news-from-nra-ila/2013/3/statement-from-chris-w-cox-nra-ila-executive-director-regarding-inaccurate-nbc-story-alleging-that-nra-wont-oppose-background-check-bill.aspx

[brokenscout]

Good, just saw it. RMGO trying to scare people[Coffee]
The NRA just released a statement saying NO.

http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/news-from-nra-ila/2013/3/statement-from-chris-w-cox-nra-ila-executive-director-regarding-inaccurate-nbc-story-alleging-that-nra-wont-oppose-background-check-bill.aspx

[ChrisC]

I think we have to keep the pressure on the NRA though, no compromises like in the past.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I think we have to keep the pressure on the NRA though, no compromises like in the past.

That all depends -- and this is why I disagree with RMGO's tactics and scaremongering. There are times when something is going through the legislative process. In the past, the NRA has tried to ameliorate these bills so they are less damaging and easier to reverse in the future rather than sit in a firm "no compromise" posture and get worse legislation. It's like going downhill on an icy street and realizing you have no brakes. I can try to guide my car to the side and hit a tree or rock or I can hold firm to my course and end up with cross-traffic slamming me from the sides further down the street.

[TAR31]

Really sick of RMGO talking shit about the NRA to make it look like they are the only ones really fighting for us.

[ChrisC]

I see your point and agree that if something is going to pass anyway then lets try to do what we can to mitigate it but lets use that as the last option.

[zulu01]

Why is RMGO always trying to bash the NRA? They are doing more harm than good by bashing the NRA. All the pro-gun groups should be standing together right now. I don't get it.

[ChrisC]

All the pro-gun groups should be standing together right now. I don't get it.

Agree 100%. The RMGO Executive Director is a member of this forum maybe he can address the questions regarding their position on the NRA.

[hatidua]

Really sick of RMGO talking shit about the NRA

-third-place fiddle screaming for attention which accomplishes NOTHING. I've emailed RMGO and asked to be removed from the roster, they've seen their last nickel from me.

[Zundfolge]

Why is RMGO always trying to bash the NRA? They are doing more harm than good by bashing the NRA. All the pro-gun groups should be standing together right now. I don't get it.

Even if it's not RMGO's intention, when they do this it makes them look like they're more interested in getting donations that would otherwise go to NRA than to actually do anything to help the cause. I'm not saying that RMGO isn't committed to the cause (I truly believe they are) but it does annoy me that they seem to fall for "Divide & Conquer" so easily.

This absolute devotion to 110% ideological purity is also why the LP has never got anywhere (but that's another long thread :p ).

[griebel303]

I saw that post by RMGO this morning on their facebook too:

And so the sell-out begins in Washington...
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/12/17286635-sources-nra-wont-oppose-background-check-deal-if-democrats-cede-tough-records-fight?lite

I would just stick to fighting our opposition, not other gun organizations. Just my opinion

[spqrzilla]

And this is why I despise RMGO.

[two shoes]

I would just stick to fighting our opposition, not other gun organizations. Just my opinion
Divided we fall...

[MuzzleFlash]

Divided we fall...
Amen brother.

I'm both a NRA lifer and a RMGO member. I've met Dudley and respect the trench work he's done at the capital over the years. I have no problem with RMGO's no compromise stance at all. But sometimes I think Dudley's a professional self-promoter and IMO, he has huge ethical blind spots. For example, using the RMGO email list to pimp his concealed carry classes. It's just this kind of ethical brain fart that gives the Dark SideTM the ammo they need to discredit us. It's like this whole RMGO blow-up with Joe Neville and Cheri Gerou, the (R) from Evergreen, over her support for civil unions. This comes from the huge overlap between the religious right lobbying corps and RMGO personnel. Never should have happened. Amazing how they can make enemies out of natural allies on the gun rights issue. IMO, Cheri set just the right tone when she told Neville to "Fuck off!".

[mtnhack]

Really sick of RMGO talking shit about the NRA to make it look like they are the only ones really fighting for us.Did I miss where the NRA was out here fighting for our Colorado rights? IMO they were negligently missing from the action.

[Gman]

Did I miss where the NRA was out here fighting for our Colorado rights? IMO they were negligently missing from the action.
Yes, you missed it. Don't fault them because of it.

[spqrzilla]

Yes, you missed it. Don't fault them because of it.This.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Did I miss where the NRA was out here fighting for our Colorado rights? IMO they were negligently missing from the action.

I'm not sure how you missed it over the past few months but you did. You have a right to have an opinion but in this case, it's dead wrong and misinformed.

[Great-Kazoo]

I'm not sure how you missed it over the past few months but you did. You have a right to have an opinion but in this case, it's dead wrong and misinformed.

Uh ditto. OR you failed to use the Search Function.

[Bailey Guns]

Did I miss where the NRA was out here fighting for our Colorado rights? IMO they were negligently missing from the action.


[facepalm] They were here. Were you?

[StagLefty]

Did I miss where the NRA was out here fighting for our Colorado rights? IMO they were negligently missing from the action.

I believe they had a rep testify at the Capitol recently.

[XC700116]

I agree with the general sentiment. - this is not appropriate.

On that note though, there is one massive long term problem with the NRA.

Problem #1: Generally speaking, they get more money if there is "gun control". They stop existing if the problem is permanently resolved. While they are certainly a positive organization, they are an organization that will never (unless forced) take any action towards permanently and forever resolving it.They have a history of wanting to avoid SCOTUS rulings or any amendments. NRA didn't want DC. vs. Heller they initially worked against it - when they realized it was happening with or without them, they finally jumped on board for the drive.

With the above holdings, they are beneficial to our cause in the short term. But someday, I'd like to see an organization more dedicated to long-term solutions take rise. Won't ever see it.

Problem is, there is always a next fight right now, and it only gets harder. NRA is great in the moment, but a lot of people's sole reliance upon it will likely ultimately doom the 2A many many years in the future.

Note: This is not me agreeing with Dudley in any way. I am supportive of the NRA, they fight, I just know they won't "fix" anything.

While I generally agree, if you really look at it, the 2nd Amendment, was intended to be the "fix", it's just being ignored, and that will never change. The reason we have the NRA (in it's current form) is because of trying to undo the fix to begin with. I don't see the NRA actively ginning up fights against us, when times were better, they were actively working to try and push the boulder back up the hill with shall issue, and right to carry bills around the country where there was any possibility of passing them. It's not like they sat on their heals.

However it's pretty obvious when fair weather gun owners see fit to only support the NRA when their rights are threatened. Hence the record numbers of life memberships, and new memberships happening now, like in 08, and other recent swings. If people made it a priority all of the time to continue to fight for it, the NRA wouldn't see huge influx when rights are in immanent threat.