View Full Version : Best all around 9mm
sneakerd
03-13-2013, 22:09
I would like to know what forum members think today. Your opinion on best, toughest, "go to zombieland where there is no gunsmith" semi-auto 9mm, if you can have only one, with lots of mags and ammo.
I'm an M&P guy through and through. But given your scenario, I agree, I'd go for one of my glocks.
One has 45-50k rounds through it, all original parts. Still never a single failure. And I do clean it, but maybe 1/10 the frequency recommended.
Y'all cray cray yo my high point is the shit
glock
I am currenyly packin a Sig ........ but yea Glock
Pretty straight forward; Glock.
Tinelement
03-13-2013, 22:35
Gotta go M&P.
still miss my P30 though.
ChunkyMonkey
03-13-2013, 22:39
Glock a holic!
P226
[edit]
While I did just realize this is a polymer pistol forum, I stand by the Sig P226 for "best 9mm" if not limited to polymer framed pistols.
History? 1982 (Glock) v.s. 1853 (Sig). Let's get real.
:D
sneakerd
03-13-2013, 22:40
I was "taught" at the S&W M&P Armorers course that the M&P was designed and built specifically to beat the Glock and was built to be superior in all respects. Why is it so unlikely that the M&P can beat the Glock in an all-around durability test?
I was "taught" at the S&W M&P Armorers course that the M&P was designed and built specifically to beat the Glock and was built to be superior in all respects. Why is it so unlikely that the M&P can beat the Glock in an all-around durability test?
That's why...taught by S&W. THe M&P is a good gun, but doesn't have near the track record of a Glock. Give the M&P 10 more years and a few deployments and then compare.
(I know, fellow 1911 enthusiasts will start to chime in here and a 1911's reputation cannot be discounted. However, the 1911 is a finicky girl and does need cleaning & maintenance much sooner than a Glock. Not to mention the greater worldwide availability of 9mm and the capacity/interchangability of Glock mags.)
sellersm
03-13-2013, 23:09
Iirc there have been some torture tests done with the M&P and it held up just like Glock. I think either would work.
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patrick0685
03-13-2013, 23:30
personally Glock...but the M&P and i didnt get along, not sure why but i might have to give it another shot one of these days but until then ill stick with my glock
Mick-Boy
03-14-2013, 00:54
Early Gen 3 Glock 17 or 19.
Circuits
03-14-2013, 01:18
Glock is the one to plan for and stake your life on. If something else survives and serves, fine - but no gun in history has the history of the glock.
For your 40 needs, consider a Ruger or M&P, but you won't find much ammo for those, so don't sweat it too much.
rustycrusty
03-14-2013, 03:12
Anyone consider running a torture test between glock and m&p MAGAZINES?
I put my money on glock in that category, and that alone has been enough to keep my urges toward buying an m&p at bay.
I drop my glock mags on rocks, mud, cement, step on them etc etc and never broken one.
havent tested m&p, but it is a metal mag like the XD has... I destroyed a few of those under same abuse and they stopped dropping free after some scuffing from gravel.
GLOCK
For handguns, I prefer metal-bodied mags to plastic and metal mags. Thinner and stronger.
As much as it pains me to say it, Glock 19 is probably the best all-around polymer 9mm. I really wanted to hate it, but then I shot one, and did surprisingly well.
blacklabel
03-14-2013, 07:52
I love my M&P and have never shot a GLOCK but I'd still probably go with a GLOCK on reputation alone.
..M&P was designed and built specifically to beat the Glock and was built to be superior in all respects....
They must not have had trigger reset as one of the "respects".
sneakerd
03-14-2013, 20:44
By the way this is not limited to polymer pistol- I'm talking ANY pistol/handgun.
By the way this is not limited to polymer pistol- I'm talking ANY pistol/handgun.
Yep...still the same. As Mick pointed out earlier, a gen 3 G17 or G19 (preferably) is ideal.
I had one Glock "smithed" about 20 years ago, before there were aftermarket triggers and parts galore. Then I figured out how to do it myself. If the scenario is one you are expecting, then pick one and learn how to smith it yourself. The "lots of mags" makes the argument for or against metal/ploymner mags irrelevant. But, the metal mags are easier to maintain and tune, plus they could be repaired whereas repair of polymer mags is more difficult.
Ran Glocks for 20 years, M&P for 1.5 now. Being inside both and shooting about 150K through Glocks and 15k through M&Ps, I'd have to give the nod to the M&P.
G19 no doubt in my mind. Only reason I say that is because I'm yet to pick up a 17L.
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To reiterate my earlier vote for Glock...
I had a model 19 years ago that I kept a documented round count on for the first few years I had it. After 10K rounds I stopped counting. I estimate I had a legitimate 15K rounds through it with zero malfunctions or repairs. Never even replaced the recoil spring.
I no longer own that handgun but I do own a model 17 that has been nothing but reliable for 500 rounds.
I've owned Ruger, S&W, CZ, Sig, Springfield, and several other 9mm handguns over the last 20 years or so. If I had to pick just one I would pick a Glock without a second thought.
dogbreath650
03-15-2013, 09:43
Glocks have their place, good reliable, etc. But as I personally don't like the feel I'll put in a vote for the CZ SPO1 Phantom...
I'll play along. I have a G19 and wouldn't part with it, ever. I also have a CZ P-01 that I love. If I had to pick only one it would be a difficult choice but it would be the P-01.
In before the G-Lock [ROFL1]
Why NOT xd, Fnh, beretta, etc... Besides the longevity of the Glock what makes them superior in your opinion.
Wouldn't it be safe to say that pretty much all polymer pistols are made pretty equal these days?
Why NOT xd, Fnh, beretta, etc... Besides the longevity of the Glock what makes them superior in your opinion.
Wouldn't it be safe to say that pretty much all polymer pistols are made pretty equal these days?
XD- not reliable in all conditions FN-can't get replacement parts & too scarce Beretta- Really? Too many issues to name here Glocks have proven themselves for years, are widely available, simple to use/fix/replace, and are inexpensive. Saying all polymer guns are equal is as retarded as saying all metal guns are equal these days.
strm_trpr
03-15-2013, 12:48
For all around awsomeness I would say Glock 19. But HK, XD, Walther, FN, Smith are all perfectly good options depending on your philosophy of use.
strm_trpr
03-15-2013, 12:57
XD- not reliable in all condition True, I had multiple malfunctions in POST academy with my XD-45 until I stopped limp wristing it, even after that if you are shooting from an unconventional shooting position you could induce a malfunction. FN-can't get replacement parts & too scarce Yeah, mags? you want those....too bad Beretta- Really? Too many issues to name here Ha, I would never buy a plastic Beretta, their 92 series is good but their new stuff is not up to par. Glocks have proven themselves for years, are widely available, simple to use/fix/replace, and are inexpensive. Saying all polymer guns are equal is as retarded as saying all metal guns are equal these days.
osok-308
03-15-2013, 16:14
I've seen torture tests on Glocks, XDs, and M&P's I'd say all are solid guns. I personally love that Springfield Armory has a fully supported Chambers which makes me think they might be stronger, but I have heard that glocks are amazing too. It's a toss up?
I've seen torture tests on Glocks, XDs, and M&P's I'd say all are solid guns. I personally love that Springfield Armory has a fully supported Chambers which makes me think they might be stronger, but I have heard that glocks are amazing too. It's a toss up?
I have shot all three and would say between the Glocks, M&Ps and XDs it comes down to what fits your hand better and personal preference.
osok-308
03-15-2013, 16:30
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(http://www.ar-15.co/showthread.php?p=1021343#post1021343)XD- not reliable in all condition True, I had multiple malfunctions in POST academy with my XD-45 until I stopped limp wristing it, even after that if you are shooting from an unconventional shooting position you could induce a malfunction. FN-can't get replacement parts & too scarce Yeah, mags? you want those....too bad Beretta- Really? Too many issues to name here Ha, I would never buy a plastic Beretta, their 92 series is good but their new stuff is not up to par. Glocks have proven themselves for years, are widely available, simple to use/fix/replace, and are inexpensive. Saying all polymer guns are equal is as retarded as saying all metal guns are equal these days.
I have never had any of my springfield models, and I've owned compacts, service models, tacticals, and XDMs in assorted calibers. I've shot a variety of ammunition in all of them. And I've never had a single stovepipe, failure to extract/ eject, fire, or feed. What unconventional shooting position has ever caused a malf? I'd personally like to know so I can shoot from that position myself.
Here are a couple links to some torture tests in case you wanted to read up on them.
http://theprepared.com/content/view/90//administrator/
http://www.weaponscache.com/forum/pistols/1934-springfield-xd-torture-test.html
I have shot all three and would say between the Glocks, M&Ps and XDs it comes down to what fits your hand better and personal preference.
I would also have to agree with that.
I have shot all three and would say between the Glocks, M&Ps and XDs it comes down to what fits your hand better and personal preference.
The title of the thread isn't "What do you feel is best for you." What does personal preference have to do with survival? I don't like Glocks, but they work every time. If I had my preference, I would have a rifle.
Scanker19
03-15-2013, 23:56
Stupid newbie question..... What's a Glock?
Thousands and thousands of rounds on my glocks in classes, ran fine with mags full of water, mud, dirt and sand. I trust them 100%.
M&P is a nice gun, but I can't stand that hinged trigger. Drives me crazy.
strm_trpr
03-16-2013, 08:50
I have never had any of my springfield models, and I've owned compacts, service models, tacticals, and XDMs in assorted calibers. I've shot a variety of ammunition in all of them. And I've never had a single stovepipe, failure to extract/ eject, fire, or feed. What unconventional shooting position has ever caused a malf? I'd personally like to know so I can shoot from that position myself.
Here are a couple links to some torture tests in case you wanted to read up on them.
http://theprepared.com/content/view/90//administrator/
http://www.weaponscache.com/forum/pistols/1934-springfield-xd-torture-test.html
I would also have to agree with that.
Mainly shooting around barricades, off hand, one hand pretty much anything that reduces wrist strength. I was just my data point, and me as a person, YMMV. If you never had issues then that is awesome, keep it up.
Mainly shooting around barricades, off hand, one hand pretty much anything that reduces wrist strength. I was just my data point, and me as a person, YMMV. If you never had issues then that is awesome, keep it up.
That's a wrist tension issue, not a firearm or barricade one. Easy fix.
strm_trpr
03-20-2013, 08:12
That's a wrist tension issue, not a firearm or barricade one. Easy fix.
Yeah, i know, but I have never had those issues with my glock 23. I am just being honest about my individual experiences as a shooter.
BLRacing67
03-21-2013, 21:23
They must not have had trigger reset as one of the "respects".
Ha! Isn't that the truth. My wife's M&P sucks in that respect. I do feel like it is very well made, but I like the trigger soooo much better on my G19. And she likes the overall feel of her XD9 (one of my least favorites) better than her Smith, so ours has been shot very little making me unable to comment on durability over time.
As for the original question- just one would have to be my G19. My favorite shooters are still the Beretta 92 variants, though. Shoots better for me than the Glock. Requires more lubrication on frame rails than the glock, and I believe the Glock frame will outlast the aluminum frame on the 92. Glock finish definitely stands up to holster wear better. Did I mention how nice the Beretta shoots for me? Still pains me to say the Glock.
BLRacing67
03-21-2013, 21:36
I have never had any of my springfield models, and I've owned compacts, service models, tacticals, and XDMs in assorted calibers. I've shot a variety of ammunition in all of them. And I've never had a single stovepipe, failure to extract/ eject, fire, or feed. What unconventional shooting position has ever caused a malf? I'd personally like to know so I can shoot from that position myself.
Here are a couple links to some torture tests in case you wanted to read up on them.
I have an XD9 that the "striker retaining roll pin" broke on in less than 100 rounds of ammo. Didn't need to do much research after that on their reliability. That being said, we replaced the roll pin and it is my wife's favorite pistol, one that she adopted as hers. It has been fairly reliable since, but looking at the wall thickness of that .35 cent roll pin has made me skeptical. I am also not a fan of the fact that it is 100% cocked while carrying. While this adds to a lighter feeling trigger pull on her XD, I like the idea of the 70% cocked action of the glock with the trigger cocking it the rest of the way. Safer in my mind...especially considering the cheapo roll pin.
I currently own all three and do believe that it comes down to the pistol you like to shoot, but I definitely give the nod to the M/P or the Glock as far as parts quality and simplicity. With my wife and I shooting about 1000 rds/month out of them, it is very obvious that my Glock will go longer without care than the XD. We haven't put much through her M/P as it is a compact model, so I don't have as honest and accurate comparison there.
http://theprepared.com/content/view/90//administrator/
http://www.weaponscache.com/forum/pistols/1934-springfield-xd-torture-test.html
I would also have to agree with that.
My choices:
Polymer - P99
Metal - Browning HP
Gravy Sandwich
04-08-2013, 07:04
My needs lean toward CCW, and if I could have only one 9mm for carry, HD, range and matches, it would be an M&P 9c or a Gen 3 G19. If CCW is lower on the list of priorities in zombieland, then go M&P fullsize or Gen 3 G17. S&W made vast improvements to the reset in recent M&Ps, but I'm not sure I'd trust the reliability of a Gen 4 Glock when dealing with zombies. An HK P30 is also a strong contender.
Straight up stock a G17.
Let me make one mod to the trigger and then I would say M&P 9mm.
Once the zombies snatch my wife I'm killin' em all and taking her Glock from her cold dead hands.
Jeffrey Lebowski
04-09-2013, 06:38
I'd pick a Gen3, 17 as well.
19 would be a fine consolation prize.
Marine24
04-10-2013, 13:24
Wilson Combat Spec Ops. While I'd probably be dead before the Glock guys, I would look better.
GLOCK.
^^^^^
I agree with that. While I love my SR9c I also trust my G19c and G26 to go boom every time no matter what.
DangerLee_Industries
04-11-2013, 00:39
My PX4 has been my favorite 9 for a while.....
my gen3 fde 17, no question about it.
buckshotbarlow
05-08-2013, 13:30
Best? One that shoot straight and is reliable...
ghettodub
05-08-2013, 14:43
Love my G34...
Glock 23 with 40 to 9 conversion barrel and extra G19 mags. If you look at all the members here that picked Glock and expand that on a national scale, in a full zombie attack replacement parts (if ever necessary) should be on every dead body you find. I like being able to shoot 9 or 40 depending what I find. Think about all the G17, G22, G23 and G19 mags full of ammo I'll find on the dead and they all work. You can never carry all the ammo you'll ever need. If you have an old nail you have a Glock armores tool and now you are a gunsmith.
Another vote for a Gen 3 Glock 17. I've heard it referred to as the AK47 of handguns.
3beansalad
09-04-2013, 12:59
9mm Luger: Give me a Glock everytime, Gen 3 for me as well.
9mm Makarov: check this thing out~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAEbbhRJNYw
Delfuego
09-04-2013, 14:59
Love my G34...Yep!
Gen3 with no upgrades or nuttin'
zzzippper
09-05-2013, 11:11
Sig. I have seen yet another accidental discharge with a Glock, this time the fool actually shot himself. I told my gunsmith that every AD I've ever seen or heard about was with a Glock. He said that he has seen some with other brands, but he's seen more with Glocks than all others combined.
buffalobo
09-05-2013, 11:23
Sig. I have seen yet another accidental discharge with a Glock, this time the fool actually shot himself. I told my gunsmith that every AD I've ever seen or heard about was with a Glock. He said that he has seen some with other brands, but he's seen more with Glocks than all others combined.
IMO, the only way somebody shooting themselves is accidental is some sort of mechanical damage or malfunction. Otherwise it is negligent discharge.
As to the op, Glock 19, 17, 34.
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zzzippper
09-05-2013, 11:25
It was during a tactical drill and he shot himself through and through in the leg while drawing from a holster.
IMO, the only way somebody shooting themselves is accidental is some sort of mechanical damage or malfunction. Otherwise it is negligent discharge.
As to the op, Glock 19, 17, 34.
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buffalobo
09-05-2013, 17:33
It was during a tactical drill and he shot himself through and through in the leg while drawing from a holster.
So how was it a failure of firearm(accident) and not a failure of the operator(negligent)?
Firearms in good working order do not discharge accidentally.
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zzzippper
09-06-2013, 10:51
I've learned long ago never to argue with Glock lovers. I've also learned that I don't trust Glocks.
buffalobo
09-06-2013, 12:07
I've learned long ago never to argue with Glock lovers. I've also learned that I don't trust Glocks.
Just trying to make the point that the large majority of unintentional discharges are the person behind the gun and not the gun itself. That makes them negligent not accidental.
Something about keep finger off the trigger until you are on target.
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i dont own a glock. but there are millions of glocks being carried everyday across the globe. they dont just fire on their own. some dumbass made them fire. i have owned hundreds of firearms (literally) in the last 40 years and not one, no matter the brand (including davis, jennings) ever discharged on its own.
Not a pistol, but there are numerous cases of ND due to slamfire of multiple chambering of the same round of .223/5.56.
I rotate my rounds, but not everyone is always so careful. Just saying.
Not a pistol, but there are numerous cases of ND due to slamfire of multiple chambering of the same round of .223/5.56.
I rotate my rounds, but not everyone is always so careful. Just saying.
Interesting.
I was under the impression that multiple chambering of the same round could cause a dead round.
Regardless, always ensure you are pointing said weapon in a safe direction when chambering.
ETA: Still Glock
My guns are all locked up for the simple fact that they just go off randomly killing people. They've all been committed
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Interesting. I was under the impression that multiple chambering of the same round could cause a dead round. Regardless, always ensure you are pointing said weapon in a safe direction when chambering. ETA: Still Glock
Ever look at the primer after removing a chambered round from an AR?
19 with the crap sights replaced.
electronman1729
09-06-2013, 23:42
CZ duty or Jericho
Double00
09-07-2013, 08:06
Glock 19 Mine is 24 years old. Never had a malfunction!
brokenscout
09-14-2013, 10:12
Glock
trlcavscout
09-14-2013, 10:59
It was during a tactical drill and he shot himself through and through in the leg while drawing from a holster.
That's not an "AD" its a "DA" for Dumb Ass. Not the guns fault some jack ass had his finger on the trigger while drawing.
And also Glock. There's two types of guns, Glock and non-Glocks.
Sig. I have seen yet another accidental discharge with a Glock, this time the fool actually shot himself. I told my gunsmith that every AD I've ever seen or heard about was with a Glock. He said that he has seen some with other brands, but he's seen more with Glocks than all others combined.
You heard this from whom, the kid behind the gun counter at Walmart? As pointed out before it was not a accidental discharge, it was negligence. You might as well blame cars drunk driving accidents.
paddywagon
09-14-2013, 12:01
I am an HK P7 fan myself.
lowspeed_highdrag
09-16-2013, 20:35
HK P30 V1
Either one of these two models.
http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h403/asrspyder/092813010523_zpsd19b4a4b.jpg
anaphylaxis
09-28-2013, 22:05
I'd take a Glock. Has anyone said that yet?
kidicarus13
09-28-2013, 22:29
I am an HK P7 fan myself.
Right on!
hurley842002
09-28-2013, 22:37
I said Glock a few pages back, and I'll stand by that, but I'm sure loving this shield 9 I acquired a couple months ago. So much so, that I plan to get a full size M&P 9mm when $$ allows.
I'd take a Glock. Has anyone said that yet?
only those too poor to buy a nice gun.... J/K
ChunkyMonkey
09-30-2013, 11:21
I said Glock a few pages back, and I'll stand by that, but I'm sure loving this shield 9 I acquired a couple months ago. So much so, that I plan to get a full size M&P 9mm when $$ allows.
Careful, mp9's trigger sucks compare to shield.
Still glock all the way too.
hurley842002
09-30-2013, 12:15
Careful, mp9's trigger sucks compare to shield.
Still glock all the way too.
I've owned a couple M&Pc's and you are right, the triggers are blah compared to a Glock. I guess I was going S&W finally did something about them.
I'm not against installing an Apex tho.
shot my Glock today at south sight, I just really really like it. AND when it's cold out, the polymer isn't as cold as steel when you go to clear leather.
ChuckNorris
12-05-2013, 15:13
My vote would be a Glock.
Can't beat 'em.
Glock.
Glock.
Glock.
Mine's a 19. Accurate as hell....
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