What to do... One in the family!?

[Ronin13]

So just got word that my Gen3 PMAGs arrived today... then had a heated argument with my little brother about the situation... He ordered his mags, then stated he just ordered some more and intends to sell them online for double... "If I sell 5 they'll pay for the entire 10 I just bought." I called him out on it, even said it's a douchey thing to do. He fails to realize that price gouging is a very bad thing- Magpul even stated that they don't approve of inflating the price, and if he had any shred of human decency he'd see that this is the reason shit is so fucked up right now. I have no time for these asshats taking advantage of the panic and gouging and inflating their prices "just because people will pay them." He even got pissed that I used concert tickets as an analogy (buy 10 tickets at $50 ea, then turn around and sell them for $90 ea- it happens all the time). He said "this is different." Then gets all pissed off at me and when I call him a fuckwad for even proposing such a dick move. How do you dissuade this behavior? I can't get through to the boy.

[Cylinder Head]

Not sure if trolling.... Or serious.

Regardless the popcorn is going into the mic.

[junglerot]

I had a friend say something similar, he was saying he was thinking about ordering some and selling them at a profit since he never plans on buying an AR. I convinced him that the market wasn't there for $40 pmags now that anyone can get them for MSRP, and that seemed to convince him to drop it.

[nynco]

Your brother is free to do as he please no matter the moral right or wrong. Its a free country and people are free to be jerks by other peoples definition. How ever you could point out that the pending mag ban would make it illegal to sell his mags so it might not be the money making opportunity that he hopes. I pray that Hick will veto this crap.

[bigshane]

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[Great-Kazoo]

his mags, his choice. However i am sure we will see them pop up here sooner or later. Myself I purchased 15 of them for a reason, resale is not one of them.

[BushMasterBoy]

I would steal them...

[sniper7]

Has your dad told you two to knock it off or he is going to pull the car over?

[freqlord]

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I have the socks with irish spring!

[Blockhead]

Pmags aren't selling for what they were a few months ago. I say you encourage him to buy the mags and watch him pull out his hair trying to make a killing on them.

[Cylinder Head]

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I've weighed in on this issue before and think its shitty to gouge in this particular situation, but especially shitty when Magpul is going out of their way to ensure that the mags get into the hands of those who need them.

[losttrail]

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This +10. Then take his mags and keep them.

[RedDogFabrication]

I had some people at work talk about this as well. I pointed out that I thought the purpose of this was to get as many mags into the hands of Coloradans as possible before a ban goes into effect. Magpul did not have to do this for as and keeping with the spirit of what they are doing it is not right to re sell them. With that said I bought my allotment of mags and I plan on replacing some of my GI mags with the new Magpuls. I would not feel bad about selling my GI mags at whatever the market rate is but most likely will let them go for whatever I have into them.

[spqrzilla]

Let your brother sell his magazines. Maybe he'll even get double what he paid for them. The result will be that someone who wasn't on the ball enough to figure out that he was overpaying will nonetheless get magazines.

And maybe become more active in opposing the bills and helping us defeat the Democrats next election.

[MrPrena]

It is his mags. I guess he can do whatever he wants to do with it.

Although I do not have 308 AR platform, I bought some. Someday I might buy a 308 ar platform.

[jhood001]

Has your dad told you two to knock it off or he is going to pull the car over?

I keep envisioning two Ronins wrestling around on a lawn and calling each other names like 'douche' and 'turd'. I think your comment did it.

Ronin, tell him your'e going to charge him double for now on when you're trading baseball cards and that he's no longer allowed to borrow your bike.

[StagLefty]

Has your dad told you two to knock it off or he is going to pull the car over?

and take your internet away [ROFL1]

[Bailey Guns]

The intent of the "Colorado Airlift" aside, I'd say your little brother just gave you a lesson in the free market and capitalism. You might wanna pay attention.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Your bro is smarter than you.

[Ronin13]

Your brother is free to do as he please no matter the moral right or wrong. Its a free country and people are free to be jerks by other peoples definition. How ever you could point out that the pending mag ban would make it illegal to sell his mags so it might not be the money making opportunity that he hopes. I pray that Hick will veto this crap.
So says the guy who cried about Jim being "mean" in another thread.... And didn't you vote for Hick? If you answer yes, please refrain from any and all comments regarding our gun rights in this state, because you helped make that bed.

I keep envisioning two Ronins wrestling around on a lawn and calling each other names like 'douche' and 'turd'. I think your comment did it.

Ronin, tell him your'e going to charge him double for now on when you're trading baseball cards and that he's no longer allowed to borrow your bike.
Trading baseball cards? Borrow my bike? Hi, Jhood, welcome to 2013, people don't collect baseball cards anymore, this isn't 1950... your age is showing. [Coffee]

I had some people at work talk about this as well. I pointed out that I thought the purpose of this was to get as many mags into the hands of Coloradans as possible before a ban goes into effect. Magpul did not have to do this for as and keeping with the spirit of what they are doing it is not right to re sell them. With that said I bought my allotment of mags and I plan on replacing some of my GI mags with the new Magpuls. I would not feel bad about selling my GI mags at whatever the market rate is but most likely will let them go for whatever I have into them.
THIS! Thank you, that's the point I was getting at...

[jhood001]

The intent of the "Colorado Airlift" aside, I'd say your little brother just gave you a lesson in the free market and capitalism. You might wanna pay attention.

I guess.

I tend to compare the Magpul resale practice going on to people selling their food-stamps/EBT for cash so they can buy liquor or go to the casino.

[hurley842002]

I guess.

I tend to compare the Magpul resale practice going on to people selling their food-stamps/EBT for cash so they can buy liquor or go to the casino.

Your tax dollars paid for the mags they are re-selling?

[bobbyfairbanks]

I think you don't understand capitalism at all. Also look up price gouging.



Noun
1.
price gouging - pricing above the market price when no alternative retailer is available

[jhood001]

Your tax dollars paid for the mags they are re-selling?

No, and I figured that comment would come. I mean people that attempt to profit from an act of goodwill are pieces of shit.

[lowbeyond]

i ordered some so i can get some mags with the newer plastic packaging. all mine are in the old white plastic. i feel like i am behind the times. [Flower]

[Gman]

No, and I figured that comment would come. I mean people that attempt to profit from an act of goodwill are pieces of shit.
...and karma is a bitch.

[Bailey Guns]

That's why I added the caveat about the intent of what MagPul is doing. I don't believe in the term "price gouging" for reasons that have been explained here many times over.

And the food stamps/casino analogy is a really poor one.

[Ronin13]

I think you don't understand capitalism at all. Also look up price gouging.



Noun
1.
price gouging - pricing above the market price when no alternative retailer is available


Actually, an alternative retailer is available... backorder.

[liberty19]

Pmags aren't selling for what they were a few months ago. I say you encourage him to buy the mags and watch him pull out his hair trying to make a killing on them.

Yep, I was just in a gun store today and they had racks of Pmags and still trying to sell them for $50 each. Even though the store was pretty busy, I didn't see a single person buy any.

[Bailey Guns]

Actually, an alternative retailer is available... backorder.

Backorder is not a retail source for an item. Buying an item above market price puts it in your hand. Placing an item on backorder does not. If it's something you need, backorder isn't going to do you any good.

[Bailey Guns]

Yep, I was just in a gun store today and they had racks of Pmags and still trying to sell them for $50 each. Even though the store was pretty busy, I didn't see a single person buy any.

And eventually they'll realize the mags aren't selling at that price. They have two choices: 1) keep them on the rack at the $50 price or, 2) lower the price to a point where consumers will buy them.

My guess is the closer we get to the July 1 effective date of the law that $50 price will look more and more attractive to some folks.

[hurley842002]

I mean people that attempt to profit from an act of goodwill are pieces of shit.

I do not disagree with this, but still apples to oranges.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Eh I've made the offer to my panic buying friends they can buy them for what I get em for. They of course live outside of Denver.

[jhood001]

I do not disagree with this, but still apples to oranges.

Yeah. You and BG are both right. Poor analogy.

I put people taking advantage of a welfare program and people taking advantage of this Magpul program into the same category in my mind. The type that can't turn down something that they can get even though they know it was never intended for them.

That is why I compared the two.

[20X11]

All I can say is my sons/grandchildren each own a shit-ton of 30 and 20 round mags. If your brother had ANY consideration for future generations, those mags would quickly become the possessions of a younger generation.

[Dingo]

^^THIS^^

And since my brothers are college-broke and can't order any, I'm splitting my stash up amongst us.

[Ronin13]

Well I convinced him, since he just got his first AR a couple weeks ago, to hold on to his mags... As I'm doing. Now if I sold anything, they'd be "slightly used" and for less than what Magpul has listed as MSRP, commensurate to their depreciated value. [Beer]

[sniper7]

Well I convinced him, since he just got his first AR a couple weeks ago, to hold on to his mags... As I'm doing. Now if I sold anything, they'd be "slightly used" and for less than what Magpul has listed as MSRP, commensurate to their depreciated value. [Beer]

While I doubt you will be able to sell them in co in the future, I'm going to quote this in the slim chance you do.

[jhood001]

Well I convinced him

Liar! You pinned him and made him cry uncle! You young whipper snappers still do that, don't ya?

I'm 33 btw. :)

[james_bond_007]

I had a friend say something similar, he was saying he was thinking about ordering some and selling them at a profit since he never plans on buying an AR. I convinced him that the market wasn't there for $40 pmags now that anyone can get them for MSRP, and that seemed to convince him to drop it.

Slight correction, unless Magpul has changed their program.
I thought it was just offered to anyone in Colorado.

I'm not supporting this, but it would seem that since Coloradoans can get them at MSRP, they could make a profit selling outside of Colorado, say on GB or Ebay.
But as far as inside Colorado, you are correct. Any Coloradoan can get a limited supply at MSRP.

I think Magpul is doing an awfully nice thing for Colorado.
It would only take one "bad" example to ruin it for everyone that wants to play fair and honor their good intentions.
I believe the intent was :
1) Let Coloradoans get PMAGs and
2) Sort of give state legislature the "bird" on their way out of Colorado

[00tec]

Is this the same idiot brother that shot himself?
http://www.ar-15.co/threads/56430-Question-about-NDs

If so, give him some good HPs or frangibles and the problem should solve itself.

[HoneyBadger]

How many more times are people going to incorrectly claim that capitalism is the same as price gouging? [facepalm]

[Bailey Guns]

How many more times are people going to incorrectly claim that capitalism is the same as price gouging? [facepalm]

I guess until everyone understands it is. Though I'd call it more "free market"...a by-product of capitalism.

[10mm-man]

No, and I figured that comment would come. I mean people that attempt to profit from an act of goodwill are pieces of shit.


Wait wait- Act of good will? or was it taking advantage of a situation to sell more mags? You believe it was good will but when it cost a few dollars to build a mag and it sells for $14+ that is business, not "Good Will". They have some good marketing!. Magpul benefited in a big way!! Now had they gave them away, then your comparison would hold...

[jhood001]

Wait wait- Act of good will? or was it taking advantage of a situation to sell more mags? You believe it was good will but when it cost a few dollars to build a mag and it sells for $14+ that is business, not "Good Will". They have some good marketing!. Magpul benefited in a big way!! Now had they gave them away, then your comparison would hold...

A valid point and I suppose it comes down to one's individual perspective on the matter.

Their magazines were sold out all over the country and they would have continued to provide them to their regular distributors who then would have offered them up for sale. Based on the crazy pricing that we've seen for these over the last few months, I believe it would be fair to say that obtaining them between now and July would have been difficult for some and more costly than the solution Magpul provided. They spent time and money on providing a method to sell directly to the end user in this state. Their customer service department read and sorted thousands of additional emails in order to verify residency using some sort of method. Then they essentially moved all of the Colorado direct purchases to the front of the line, boxed magazines 1 to 5, to 15 at a time and shipped them on a box by box basis rather than delivering entire pallets by freight to their distributors. They incurred additional costs by selling in this method. Now, that isn't to say that they didn't cover their additional costs by selling for MSRP. I don't have access to their books, but I wouldn't expect them to lose money on this offering. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

Regardless, if it was as beneficial to them as you seem to be implying, then their sales model would allow customer direct purchasing of magazines for the entire country. They don't. Figure out why.

They would have sold the magazines they made available to us without offering this program. You can count on that. And based on their sales figures for last year and their projected figures for next year, they didn't exactly need a new marketing campaign. And if a marketing campaign was their goal, they didn't do a very good job of it. All of the reporting regarding the campaign is almost exclusive to Colorado media outlets and I believe there is one YouTube video floating around about it.

Based on the above, I personally come to the conclusion that it was an act of good will. I do, however, understand and appreciate your opinion.

[Scogin]

Capitalism is a great thing. While I have to agree it is a douchey thing to sell the Pmags that Magpul helped us Colorado residents get, everyone is entitled to be a douche if they want.

[Ronin13]

Is this the same idiot brother that shot himself?
http://www.ar-15.co/threads/56430-Question-about-NDs

If so, give him some good HPs or frangibles and the problem should solve itself.
He learned his lesson... booger picker of the boom latch when clearing and don't let the part where the bullets come out flag your thigh.

[ChunkyMonkey]

A valid point and I suppose it comes down to one's individual perspective on the matter.

Their magazines were sold out all over the country and they would have continued to provide them to their regular distributors who then would have offered them up for sale. Based on the crazy pricing that we've seen for these over the last few months, I believe it would be fair to say that obtaining them between now and July would have been difficult for some and more costly than the solution Magpul provided. They spent time and money on providing a method to sell directly to the end user in this state. Their customer service department read and sorted thousands of additional emails in order to verify residency using some sort of method. Then they essentially moved all of the Colorado direct purchases to the front of the line, boxed magazines 1 to 5, to 15 at a time and shipped them on a box by box basis rather than delivering entire pallets by freight to their distributors. They incurred additional costs by selling in this method. Now, that isn't to say that they didn't cover their additional costs by selling for MSRP. I don't have access to their books, but I wouldn't expect them to lose money on this offering. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

Regardless, if it was as beneficial to them as you seem to be implying, then their sales model would allow customer direct purchasing of magazines for the entire country. They don't. Figure out why.

They would have sold the magazines they made available to us without offering this program. You can count on that. And based on their sales figures for last year and their projected figures for next year, they didn't exactly need a new marketing campaign. And if a marketing campaign was their goal, they didn't do a very good job of it. All of the reporting regarding the campaign is almost exclusive to Colorado media outlets and I believe there is one YouTube video floating around about it.

Based on the above, I personally come to the conclusion that it was an act of good will. I do, however, understand and appreciate your opinion.

Magpul airlift is very popular but still is a political move. Magpul is selling tons of mags at MSRP instead of the wholesale pricing to the public, or in short, their margin is better. Marketing or more specifically brand name recognition and loyalty are always part of this. You are defending Magpul after all, arent you. After the dust settles, Magpul might be forced to moved, but best of all, the name MAGPUL is now more main stream beyond its traditional gun owner market.

Magpul is a good example of successful capitalism. I love both Magpul and capitalism... and finally I am practicing capitalism w/ magpul products at very miniscule level compare to my beloved magpul.

[jhood001]

Magpul airlift is very popular but still is a political move. Magpul is selling tons of mags at MSRP instead of the wholesale pricing to the public, or in short, their margin is better. Marketing or more specifically brand name recognition and loyalty are always part of this. You are defending Magpul after all, arent you. After the dust settles, Magpul might be forced to moved, but best of all, the name MAGPUL is now more main stream beyond its traditional gun owner market.

Magpul is a good example of successful capitalism. I love both Magpul and capitalism... and finally I am practicing capitalism w/ magpul products at very miniscule level compare to my beloved magpul.

I don't think you count, CM. I'm pretty sure you had enough of their magazines to supply a small army before they offered this program.

Do you happen to know the wholesale price on a Gen 2 windowed pmag?

[Bailey Guns]

I know this was directed to someone else but last wholesale I saw for non-windowed was $9.25, about $1.50 more for windowed. That was in early December.