As we move closer to July 1st...

[kidicarus13]

A lot of you are predicting that prices will again increase for >15rd magazines and firearms that take those magazines. Hasn't the market already corrected for what it expected to happen July 1st.

I just don't see the market supporting $50 PMAGs and $2000 lower tier ARs again during this cycle. IMHO those that wanted/needed have already purchased during the last 3 months.

[nynco]

I just wish I could find some pistol mags. I don't have the cash for an xdm at this time. But don't want to be stuck with 15 round crap mags.

[blacklabel]

Did the prices of automatic weapons increase as the ban on newly manufactured automatic weapons draw near in 1986? Not a rhetorical question, I honestly don't know.

The government is creating a limited supply and based on that, I'd expect prices to increase as we draw closer to July 1st?

[JM Ver. 2.0]

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[sniper7]

I just wish I could find some pistol mags. I don't have the cash for an xdm at this time. But don't want to be stuck with 15 round crap mags.

Honestly you should be banned from owning any guns, any mags or anything to do with gun ownership. Your mindset has fucked us all. I believe you and other liberals are mentally ill and should be barred from gun ownership.W

Once liberals change their ways they can be evaluated on a case by case basis.

[T.rexford]

I believe the market has gone nuts over the possible federal ban. I do not see another increase at all.

For example. NY state has had an AWB for awhile now. Pre-94 30rd GI mags was all that was allowed there. Before the hint of a Federal AWB this year you could buy the pre-94 mags in NY for $13 to $19 bucks. Now all states have inflated magazine prices due to the threat of a Federal AWB. I think even Colorado will see mags go back down to a more sane price as long as nothing gets passed federally or in alot of other states.

[Batteriesnare]

I just wish I could find some pistol mags. I don't have the cash for an xdm at this time. But don't want to be stuck with 15 round crap mags.

Go fuck yourself. I'm shocked that you'd be able to afford anything even related to firearms on your Obama's titty SNAP card. You've demonstrated that you lack the mental capacity to make reasonable decisions, and should have absolutely no interaction with anything sharper than a feather.

[streetglideok]

I just wish I could find some pistol mags. I don't have the cash for an xdm at this time. But don't want to be stuck with 15 round crap mags.

Someone's chickens have come to roost. Wasn't nynco one of the people that kept preaching no one, especially the exhalted one, was going to come after our guns before the last election? Funny, that is exactly what is going on now. Perhaps if nynco would wake up and realize that his party, and ideals is why he cant afford to buy an XDM, then he might fix the problem.

So nynco, what do you have to say for yourself, and your party now??

[John123]

I have 4 stripped lowers that will soon be complete lowers. I plan on trying to sell them for full retard pricing the last week before laws take effect. If I do not get the price I want, I am ok with keeping the lowers :) These lowers were for builds that I cant build due to the current environment.

[Batteriesnare]

I have 4 stripped lowers that will soon be complete lowers. I plan on trying to sell them for full retard pricing the last week before laws take effect. If I do not get the price I want, I am ok with keeping the lowers :)

Seem to recall that being illegal (buying stripped with intent on building to complete and then selling.) Can someone verify?

May want to keep that to yourself.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

I have 4 stripped lowers that will soon be complete lowers. I plan on trying to sell them for full retard pricing the last week before laws take effect. If I do not get the price I want, I am ok with keeping the lowers :)
I really don't think those are going to be the big money items... Not to talk shit or anything... I think it's going to be mags more than anything.

And what the other guy said....

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Seem to recall that being illegal (buying stripped with intent on building to complete and then selling.) Can someone verify?

May want to keep that to yourself.

Actually it is... Manufacturing without an FFL is a big big big big no no.

[Squeeze]

Seem to recall that being illegal (buying stripped with intent on building to complete and then selling.) Can someone verify?

May want to keep that to yourself.

This. Purchase of a stripped lower with the intent to construct and sell may get your willie in a bit of a bind. Just sayin'.

[jackthewall81]

I wont be putting up with this bs and will not contribute my tax dollars to this state. I advise you guys to do the same.

[Rucker61]

Actually it is... Manufacturing without an FFL is a big big big big no no.

So if you buy a lower, build it up, shoot it for a while, are you allowed to sell the whole gun or just the lower?

[centrarchidae]

Elections have consequences. Let me tell you how freaking thrilled I am to be reaping what your dumb ass sowed.


I just wish I could find some pistol mags. I don't have the cash for an xdm at this time. But don't want to be stuck with 15 round crap mags.

[blacklabel]

So if you buy a lower, build it up, shoot it for a while, are you allowed to sell the whole gun or just the lower?

It's the intent. Someone else posted up the actual regulation but it's something to the effect of making a living it out of it that is restricted.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Here you go...
http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/685054/man-pleads-guilty-to-trafficking-assault-weapons-at-gun-shows

Do what you must with your private property..but to my surprise, some of our members spoke of 'flipping' guns w/o FFL openly. Remember the cologunmarket guy that was interviewed by BATF? I hate for something like that to happen to one of us. Stay safe!

[JM Ver. 2.0]

So if you buy a lower, build it up, shoot it for a while, are you allowed to sell the whole gun or just the lower?


It's the intent. Someone else posted up the actual regulation but it's something to the effect of making a living it out of it that is restricted.

If you Buy an AR for $1,000... Then turn around and sell it right away for $2,000... Without being an FFL... You've violated the law.

If you built an AR from parts for $1,000 and sell it for $1,500... You've violated the law.

[BlasterBob]

If you Buy an AR for $1,000... Then turn around and sell it right away for $2,000... Without being an FFL... You've violated the law.


I don't believe that. What if you suddenly determine that the AR that you just bought turns out to be defective and is a piece of crap. You want to get rid of it as soon as possible and some guy wants it for parts only. So what if you do make some big bucks on it - it would be a one time type transaction and not a regular thing of making profit........ If making some profit on an occasional firearm sale is illegal, there will be a hell of a lot of guys seriously breaking the law.

[Rucker61]

If you Buy an AR for $1,000... Then turn around and sell it right away for $2,000... Without being an FFL... You've violated the law.

If you built an AR from parts for $1,000 and sell it for $1,500... You've violated the law.

Is there a time period distinction?

[blacklabel]

This is what I was referring to:


(C) as applied to a dealer in firearms, as defined in section 921 (a)(11)(A), a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms, but such term shall not include a person who makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms;

18 USC § 921 - Definitions (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/921)

The only item that I can find contradictory to this is the following from the ATF:


Q: Is it legal to assemble a firearm from commercially available parts kits that can be purchased via internet or shotgun news?
For your information, per provisions of the Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968, 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44, an unlicensed individual may make a “firearm” as defined in the GCA for his own personal use, but not for sale or distribution.

ATFFirearms Technology FAQ (http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/firearms-technology.html#commercial-parts-assembly)

I would interpret this to mean that if one manufactures say an AK out of a flat, they would be manufacturing a firearm but if one is simply building an already 100% AR lower, the firearm (100% lower receiver) is already manufactured.

Fine print - I'm not a lawyer, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

[John123]

Crazy, Ill keep them. Ive got 4 nieces and nephews that need one to inherit. I cant see how try to sell 4 lowers, that I can not make into complete rifles is manufacturing. I would be getting ammo or a new scope for current rifles. I guess better safe than sorry.

[ChunkyMonkey]

If you Buy an AR for $1,000... Then turn around and sell it right away for $2,000... Without being an FFL... You've violated the law.

If you built an AR from parts for $1,000 and sell it for $1,500... You've violated the law.

You are incorrect. They must prove beyond reasonable doubt that you are doing it regularly and as your main source of income. That being said, the big brother can bankrupt any of us by simply open a case that will drag for months.

[BlasterBob]

Read "C" real close where it mentions AS A REGULAR COURSE OF TRADE also it states won't include an occasional sale etc.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

I don't believe that. What if you suddenly determine that the AR that you just bought turns out to be defective and is a piece of crap. You want to get rid of it as soon as possible and some guy wants it for parts only. So what if you do make some big bucks on it - it would be a one time type transaction and not a regular thing of making profit........ If making some profit on an occasional firearm sale is illegal, there will be a hell of a lot of guys seriously breaking the law.


Is there a time period distinction?


This is what I was referring to:



18 USC § 921 - Definitions (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/921)

The only item that I can find contradictory to this is the following from the ATF:



ATFFirearms Technology FAQ (http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/firearms-technology.html#commercial-parts-assembly)

I would interpret this to mean that if one manufactures say an AK out of a flat, they would be manufacturing a firearm but if one is simply building an already 100% AR lower, the firearm (100% lower receiver) is already manufactured.

Fine print - I'm not a lawyer, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn last night.


You are incorrect. They must prove beyond reasonable doubt that you are doing it regularly and as your main source of income. That being said, the big brother can bankrupt any of us by simply open a case that will drag for months.


Read "C" real close where it mentions AS A REGULAR COURSE OF TRADE also it states won't include an occasional sale etc.

Very fine line, really... But I think we all know what can happen when you toe a line.

It's a simple warning is all... Watch what you say you're going to do.

[ben4372]

The serial numbered receiver is the firearm. Though I believe a complete gun requires an excise tax if you are a manufacturer. I've heard the BATFE trying to go after dealers for changing stocks, calling them manufacturers. Either way quit worrying about it.

[NightCat]

Technically speaking, and as stated by another, I am not a lawyer, and also did not stay in a Holiday Inn express last night....

But as Ben said, isn't the Lower the actual "Firearm"

And a Complete AR is no different from the Stripped lower, because it's still a "firearm" regardless of what is attached to the Lower, given it isn't an NFA Item.

So...to buy a Lower is the same as buying a complete gun...legally at least.

Regardless, fuck this bullshit...the end

[Squeeze]

[Regardless, fuck this bullshit...the end]

100% Agreed. [Awesom]

[KevDen2005]

I wish I could find ammo to actually put into my guns...

And I do get a kick out of everyone attacking nynco...I have this feeling that he says certain things just to piss everyone off and then watches everyone lose their shit when he posts anything. It's a sick game if it's a game, but I have no doubt he loves to mess with everyone here.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

I wish I could find ammo to actually put into my guns...

And I do get a kick out of everyone attacking nynco...I have this feeling that he says certain things just to piss everyone off and then watches everyone lose their shit when he posts anything. It's a sick game if it's a game, but I have no doubt he loves to mess with everyone here.
Thanks for answering my text, douche bag..... [Flower]

[KevDen2005]

Thanks for answering my text, douche bag..... [Flower]


Name calling will certainly not get you what you want...I will have to check at beginning of shift tomorrow...we have been slammed all week and I haven't even seen my supervisor

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Name calling will certainly not get you what you want...I will have to check at beginning of shift tomorrow...we have been slammed all week and I haven't even seen my supervisor
Ok.

[JoeT]

I was in Mass when they instituted their "ban".

$400 glocks went to $700 overnight. standard cap mags went to $50-75 each. and even today, dated ar mags that comply are $50 and are beat to shit.

It's not going to be easy, or cheap

[Jer]

A lot of you are predicting that prices will again increase for >15rd magazines and firearms that take those magazines. Hasn't the market already corrected for what it expected to happen July 1st.

I just don't see the market supporting $50 PMAGs and $2000 lower tier ARs again during this cycle. IMHO those that wanted/needed have already purchased during the last 3 months.

Yeah, pot is pretty cheap too as compared to other plants like lettuce and such. All creating laws does is make thing illegal which means there is 'risk' associated with people getting the things they want. This also tends to introduce the criminal element other than just making those who want them criminals. Where there is profit to be had on illegal goods there will be crime rings willing to bring that item to you at a markup. Way to go gubment!

[Great-Kazoo]

Technically speaking, and as stated by another, I am not a lawyer, and also did not stay in a Holiday Inn express last night....

But as Ben said, isn't the Lower the actual "Firearm"

And a Complete AR is no different from the Stripped lower, because it's still a "firearm" regardless of what is attached to the Lower, given it isn't an NFA Item.

So...to buy a Lower is the same as buying a complete gun...legally at least.

Regardless, fuck this bullshit...the end


Incorrect. A stripped lower is just that, IF, key word IF an investigation were to happen. A simple check to the mfg will confirm if the receiver was sold as a complete rifle, a stripped lower, OR a complete lower (in rifle config) to a vendor then to a FFL.

[Great-Kazoo]

I wish I could find ammo to actually put into my guns...

And I do get a kick out of everyone attacking nynco...I have this feeling that he says certain things just to piss everyone off and then watches everyone lose their shit when he posts anything. It's a sick game if it's a game, but I have no doubt he loves to mess with everyone here.

Only when he post something stupid, OK every time. However IF he was man enough to actually pm or em someone vs hiding behind his/her keyboard it might be different.

[NightCat]

Incorrect. A stripped lower is just that, IF, key word IF an investigation were to happen. A simple check to the mfg will confirm if the receiver was sold as a complete rifle, a stripped lower, OR a complete lower (in rifle config) to a vendor then to a FFL.

Thanks for the education Jim, I wasn't aware of that.

[Great-Kazoo]

Thanks for the education Jim, I wasn't aware of that.

That is why the 4473 FFL check box list

RIFLE, PISTOL, OTHER

[nynco]

Only when he post something stupid, OK every time. However IF he was man enough to actually pm or em someone vs hiding behind his/her keyboard it might be different.

Jim honestly what are you talking about? I am not here to harrass anyone or pick a fight. I will fight back when attacked but really I would rather just be treated with same respect all other posters are treated. As to being "man" enough to PM? What are you talking about?

[kidicarus13]

I brought this 3+ month old thread back to life to pat myself on the back. THERE ARE ONLY A FEW DAYS LEFT [panic]

[Zundfolge]

I brought this 3+ month old thread back to life to pat myself on the back. THERE ARE ONLY A FEW DAYS LEFT [panic]

A few days left 'til what?[Neene1]

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

A few days left 'til what?[Neene1]

Till you and I can feel complete safety. Duh.

[sellersm]

it's fo' the childrenz...

[Ronin13]

Till you and I can feel complete safety. Duh.
Morse and Giron are leaving the country, forever? [Flower]

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Morse and Giron are leaving the country, forever? [Flower]

We should send them on the next mars expedition. Then I 'might' feel safe.

[Ronin13]

We should send them on the next mars expedition. Then I 'might' feel safe.
"Houston this is Mars Expedition... it appears that our suits are deteriorating at a rapid pace in this atmosphere..."
OOOPS! [ROFL1]