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There is an elephant riding a Segway on 16th and Blake handing out Obama stickers...not very successful, as people just giving them back...
Watched the protesters at the Federal Quad from 25 stories up. Seemed to be more police than protesters. Police figured nothing was going to happen so they dispersed. Protesters followed suit not too much later.
There are more people downtown than what I've seen on 5th ave in New York at rush hour. It's crazy crowded down there. Not only at the mall but also at the Convention Center and even on 17th street.
Thankfully, I had to leave downtown around noon to go to The Springs, but there's always tomorrow.....
The1andOnlyKC
08-26-2008, 00:57
Late night report says boring.....
what happened around 03:00 last night?
Well, depending on the account You want to believe,,
Cops say that The protesters Pick up rocks and Bottles and started to advance,,,
The Hippie scum say that They were only moveing the rocks and bottles out of the way, So that the Police didn't trip over them..
The Hippie scum say that They were only moveing the rocks and bottles out of the way, So that the Police didn't trip over them..
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westy1970
08-26-2008, 10:54
According to organizers and supporting video( I only saw the hippies video, nothing to support the police yet), the police escalated it by rousing people in an area set aside by the city as a safe zone. The police also broke rule #1 in riot control- no exit. Since they did not leave a way for people to obey or to get out of the way, my vote goes for the hippies.
When I was a cop in the PRC I saw the same thing happen on New Year's Eve 1993. I was stationed downtown about 6 blocks away acting as rear security. Riot police surrounded the people and started popping tear gas with no exit. In trying to get away the south line was broken and those guys got run over. It also resulted in much damage to the busnesses in the area. The next time we gave a dispersal order, we told them where to go and it went much better.
Looks like poor training on DPD's part.
If I see video showing them picking up rocks or throwing things at the po-po, then they deserved what they got. Otherwise I say they got their rights violated.
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I haven't seen vids from either, I was just going off the accounts I heard on the radio this morning..
I'm getting another account now that the Police were completely professional in handleing it, The Hippies were the ones Who weren't..
I wasn't there I don't know,, I will say this though, Having enough experiance as an amature photo/vidieo bug,, Images can be altered to show what You want to be seen...
HunterCO
08-26-2008, 18:21
I seen the video and will put my money on the cops they told the drugged up POS hippies to leave several times. They resisted and got the smack down I will say that the cops had them pinned with no place to go for a while. They should have given them a way to dispearse and leave but hey sometimes stupid hurts. If they would have obeyed the lawful orders of the officers in the first place nothing would have happend to begin with.
When facing an army of officers in full riot gear with guns, teargas, pepper balls, pepper spray ect..... Logic says your tie die shirt and sandals are not going to be very effective when you charge them.
But hey what do I know.[Tooth]
Don't like hippies hate oppression more. Doesn't look like the America I grew up in.
westy1970
08-26-2008, 20:05
If they would have obeyed the lawful orders of the officers in the first place nothing would have happend to begin with.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Lawful Order?
Ready Room
08-26-2008, 20:17
"If they would have obeyed the lawful orders of the officers in the first place nothing would have happend to begin with."
The ones they make up as they go for their convenience?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
"Lawful Order?"
Thank You. They continue to forget for whom they work. JZ can give you a first person account of the scene on Sunday Westy.
HunterCO
08-26-2008, 20:27
Don't like hippies hate oppression more. Doesn't look like the America I grew up in.
Define oppression???
If I want to block a major street in Denver so I can speak my mind and the cops tell me to move that is oppression???(You do realize that is what started it do you not??)
If I want to knock off my local bank and the cops arrest me that is oppression??
I think you are confusing oppression with anarchy they are very different.
If am driving from one place to another and a bunch of hippies have the road blocked because they think I am ruining the planet with my truck. I then feel "oppressed" should it be legal for me to get out, lock the hubs, throw it in 4x4 and drive over the bastards???
Or should I just remain "oppressed" and sit in my truck for hours on end untill the hippies decide they are done and I can drive on???
I would prefer the cops told the hippies they can speak their mind but have no right to keep me from getting to my destination. The same cops also would not allow me to lock the hubs and drive over said hippies see how that works.
westy1970
08-26-2008, 20:42
What if it were us protesting the Dem's stance on the second amendment? If we were told to leave the area they "told" us we could use and then started spraying us with pepper spray and arresting us? I guess that would be OK.
I may not agree with their message, but I swore an oath to defend their rights, unto my death. It is not something I take lightly. I believe in the Bill of Rights. Not just the ones I find convenient. And not just the ones I agree on the message.
We all have the same rights and the First is the first for a reason. Without that one, we have no say in how our lives are "run" by those we "elected". The Police on the line are pawns and were given an order. It is the ones behind the scenes who you don't see who are controlling things. Same as Re-create '68. Spagnolo gave several orders to protesters to stand down and then stopped when it got out of hand.
Yeah, If You think about it They are trying to oppress the city,, Not working like they had planned. But they are trying.. I have no problem with They're free speech, in fact I haven't laughed this hard in a long time,, These people are not the brightest of bulbs.. Let's face it, They came here feeling "oppressed" and nothing was going to change that..
The Only thing they are up to now is looking for the oppertunity to do damage, and no matter what they say, that Is the real reason they are here..So if the Cops "step" on they're toes before they are able to to any,, Kudos to the Cops...
Oh and I have hear spagttio on the radio more than a few times,, If You believe that about him,, I have some land in New Orlean I need to get rid of by Monday,,
That guy is a classic paraniod...
Define oppression???
If I want to block a major street in Denver so I can speak my mind and the cops tell me to move that is oppression???(You do realize that is what started it do you not??)\
If I want to knock off my local bank and the cops arrest me that is oppression??
I think you are confusing oppression with anarchy they are very different.
If am driving from one place to another and a bunch of hippies have the road blocked because they think I am ruining the planet with my truck. I then feel "oppressed" should it be legal for me to get out, lock the hubs, throw it in 4x4 and drive over the bastards???
Or should I just remain "oppressed" and sit in my truck for hours on end untill the hippies decide they are done and I can drive on???
3 words: Free Speech Zones. What's next? Freedom from invasion of privacy zones?
I would prefer the cops told the hippies they can speak their mind but have no right to keep me from getting to my destination. The same cops also would not allow me to lock the hubs and drive over said hippies see how that works.
HunterCO
08-26-2008, 23:25
What if it were us protesting the Dem's stance on the second amendment? If we were told to leave the area they "told" us we could use and then started spraying us with pepper spray and arresting us? I guess that would be OK.
There in lies the problem they were not in a place allowed the street was blocked off earlier in the day so they could protest. Those damn cops had the nerve to re-open the street to the rest of us tax payers so we could use it also.
I may not agree with their message, but I swore an oath to defend their rights, unto my death. It is not something I take lightly. I believe in the Bill of Rights. Not just the ones I find convenient. And not just the ones I agree on the message.
Can't argue with that but it applies to everyone and if you infringe on others rights to exercise your own you are no better than a communist.
We all have the same rights and the First is the first for a reason. Without that one, we have no say in how our lives are "run" by those we "elected". The Police on the line are pawns and were given an order. It is the ones behind the scenes who you don't see who are controlling things. Same as Re-create '68. Spagnolo gave several orders to protesters to stand down and then stopped when it got out of hand.
My advice is to invest more in education and less in tin foil. With out the second amendment your first would not mean a damn thing. Elected officails are just that you may not like them but they got elected and your out numbered by the voteing pool get over it. Maybe try to contact them write letters set up meetings I have done it.
3 words: Free Speech Zones. What's next? Freedom from invasion from privacy zones?
No problem PM me your address, Tomarrow at 3am I am going to make a speech in front of your house with a bullhorn. I sure hope you don't mind me exercising my free speech.
Both of you would do your selves a big favor to read "Patriots" by A.J. Langguth it would give you much needed education about the intent and founding of this great country.
Both of your hearts are in the right place you just need a little education.
theGinsue
08-27-2008, 01:46
Well, I've been lurking in this thread since it began and now (for better or worse) I'm gonna put my $.02 in...
Like so many of us here, I swore that same oath - in fact, I swore it several times over a 20yr period. Every time I did, I got goosebumps contemplating the significance of what I was swearing to do. While wearing the uniform I sacrificed some of my own Rights to be allowed to keep wearing that uniform and help to ensure the Rights of others are maintained.
I am known at work at a "Constitutional fanatic" - believing in the letter and intent of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution of the U.S. with every fiber of my being.
With that said, I also believe that with Freedom comes responsibility. Like HunterCO has said, you can't exercise your Rights at the expense of someone elses. Freedom is a discipline - and to exercise it requires discipline.
"Freedom requires that at the end of the day, we accept the constraint that is required, the respect for the laws of nature and nature's God that say unequivocally that our daughters do not have the right to do what is wrong, that our sons do not have the right to do what is wrong"...
..."we must meet the obligations and sacrifices of freedom before we can claim its privileges and benefits."
I confess that I've seen what we've all seen in the past 20 or so years - a tremendous erosion in our freedoms and a trampling of the Rights guaranteed to us by the Constitution. This means that we, all of us, has a responsibility to reverse this tide. We've got to vote into office those that will restore the foundation that our forefathers laid for us. When that fails, we have to pressure those in office to do the right thing. This is the right way to do it. The only other choices are subjugation or anarchy. I don't relish either of those options.
That's all I've got. I hope my comments have come across lucid, intelligent, and well thought-out and that I didn't totally tick anyone off.
Too many forget that their rights end when they interfere in the rights of another.
Hmmmmm, Sounds like They started setting up for the taste of Colorado,,, Seems like that caught the unwashed masses by surprise...
westy1970
08-27-2008, 07:10
Can't argue with that but it applies to everyone and if you infringe on others rights to exercise your own you are no better than a communist.
So, you don't have the right to protest because I have the right to drive here!
No, you can't drive here because I have the right to protest!
The argument defeats itself.
Suck it up and deal with the inconveniece for 4 days out of the year knowing when you want to protest to have your right to privacy and self defense you are able to.
And you all would do well to read Molon Labe. It shows just how the Government will take away your rights.
[QUOTE=westy1970;93119]So, you don't have the right to protest because I have the right to drive here!
No, you can't drive here because I have the right to protest!
Driving is not a right, but a privilege in the state of Colorado.
And you all would do well to read Molon Labe. It shows just how the Government will take away your rights.
Will take away? It is and continues, the Patriot Act is a start...
westy1970
08-27-2008, 10:23
the Patriot Act is a start...
That only applies to Terrorists! Not Americans! Since you are not a terrorist, you should have no problem with no-warrant searches.
reddevil1111
08-27-2008, 12:57
You guys miss the best view: Shoot the protesters AND the cops.
OR...better yet, make the hippies and cops pick up trash on the side of the highway. They can do it in shifts so there is always some cops beating down the hippies as they wave signs and chant meaningless slogans.
Vote the right people in? Can I vote for none of the above? I want to vote but I refuse to vote for the current offerings. I don't belive either party has offered anything worth voting for.[Rant1]
The shocker is how the media,parties and government belives we are truely stupid and clueless! The bickering about oil development shows you how they want to pick a pointless topic to argue about. Drilling is not the answer, finding a way to lessen the dependancy on oil is what we need to be talking about. Why do you think they are arguing about drilling? Money. Not to fix our issues.
Why do you guys poke each other with sticks all day? We are all in the same agreement about one thing: Firearms and the right to own/use them.
If we united every gun owner to vote for one idea and we can demonstrate the ability to replicate those voting results, then we could control to a very large extent who is in power. As long as we splinter, we remain weak. Thats my .02[Tooth]
StagLefty
08-27-2008, 16:08
"Shoot the protesters AND the cops."
Gee wonder why people think we're gun nuts !!!
reddevil1111
08-27-2008, 18:56
That was a joke son...oh wait...you own a gun so no laughing is allowed? Grow up!
reddevil1111, you have a bad day or something? Seems like you're mad at everyone.
Hmmmmm, Sounds like They started setting up for the taste of Colorado,,, Seems like that caught the unwashed masses by surprise...
I don't ever remember Denver setting up this early for Taste of Colorado. Looks like they intentionally screwed over the folks that got permits to protest at Civic Center Park.
Maybe they had to clean up hippie slime...[ROFL1]
I do admit it Might be a day early,,But it does make sense.. a day or two to clean up, a day to set up and check everything..
HunterCO
08-27-2008, 22:01
So, you don't have the right to protest because I have the right to drive here!
They had their right to do so in the time allowed after that your damn straight it is the rest of the citizens turn to use said roadway.
No, you can't drive here because I have the right to protest!
No you can protest during the time allowed and I can drive during my time allowed how hard is that to get??? Once again you live in a communist world where your rights are above everybody elses.
The argument defeats itself.
No your argument has defeated it self several times already!
Suck it up and deal with the inconveniece for 4 days out of the year knowing when you want to protest to have your right to privacy and self defense you are able to.
That in and of it self shows your complete ignorance that is not a flame let me explain. If everybody could block off streets and have protests any time they feel like it. Do you really think it would only be 4 days a week??
And you all would do well to read Molon Labe. It shows just how the Government will take away your rights.
Good book but it does not do any good when you have no concept of rights or how this country works.
You reading malon labe is like rossie OD reading sarah brady's handgun book on gun violence neither one of you have a clue but both of you will run with it, strap on tin foil and preach the end is near.
theGinsue
08-27-2008, 22:14
You know, I'm sitting here @ work with nothing to do (covering for our normal Swings guy who is on vacation) and my sad, sick little mind has once again wandered someplace it shouldn't have gone - and I thought I'd share it with you:
[Warning: This joke is wrong, corney, and really possesses NO humor whatsoever. Read at your own risk - then post lots of comments!]
New Take on An OLD Joke
An Illegal Immigrant, Nancy Pelosi , and a Colorado Conservative are sitting together in a bar in LODO (just go with me on this point; okay?!) and all 3 are lined up to drink a shot.
The Illegal gulps his shot then slams his glass to the ground, shattering it. The other 2 look at him seeking an explanation. The Illegal tells them “I’m an Immigrant in America who drinks too much. You Americans pay for my health care and give me special benefits for my drinking disability. Because of this, I never have to drink from the same glass twice.”
Nancy Pelosi then consumes her shot and then throws her glass into the mirror behind the bar, shattering the glass and the mirror. The other two look to her for an explanation to which she replies: “I’m the Speaker of the House and receive kick-backs, bribes, and a ridiculous expense check for my “official travels”; and when I run short of money I just take more from the American tax payer. I never have to drink from the same glass twice either.”
Now, the Colorado Conservative quickly downs his drink, pulls out his CCW handgun and shoots the other two. When the bartender looks at him he says “I’m a true Coloradian in Denver during the DNC. Now we’ve got so many Democrats (some are illegals), I never have to drink with the same ones twice.”
StagLefty
08-28-2008, 05:36
That was a joke son...oh wait...you own a gun so no laughing is allowed? Grow up!
That wasn't a joke-I'm not your son-I'm old enough to retire so I have grown up. [Rant1]
westy1970
08-28-2008, 05:39
They had their right to do so in the time allowed after that your damn straight it is the rest of the citizens turn to use said roadway.
No you can protest during the time allowed and I can drive during my time allowed how hard is that to get??? Once again you live in a communist world where your rights are above everybody elses.
No your argument has defeated it self several times already!
That in and of it self shows your complete ignorance that is not a flame let me explain. If everybody could block off streets and have protests any time they feel like it. Do you really think it would only be 4 days a week??
Good book but it does not do any good when you have no concept of rights or how this country works.
You reading malon labe is like rossie OD reading sarah brady's handgun book on gun violence neither one of you have a clue but both of you will run with it, strap on tin foil and preach the end is near.
You, obviously, have never read the bill of rights. Your posts show that. Instead of Molon Labe, you should start there. I am not a communist, I am a Constitutionalist. I believe in itias it was written, not a living document. I believe ALL citizens have the right to protest. Not just the ones I agree with. You would change your tune if it were RMGO protesting downtown. (For that matter I would be down there if it were RMGO)
westy1970
08-28-2008, 05:42
The Preamble to the Bill of Rights:
Congress of the United States begun and held at the City of New-York, on Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.
THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.
RESOLVED by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States, all, or any of which Articles, when ratified by three fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution; viz.
ARTICLES in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.[44]
Amendments
First Amendment – Establishment Clause, Free Exercise Clause; freedom of speech, of the press, and of assembly; right to petition
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Second Amendment – Right to keep and bear arms.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Third Amendment – Protection from quartering of troops.
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Fourth Amendment – Protection from unreasonable search and seizure.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Fifth Amendment – due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, eminent domain.
No person shall be held to answer for any capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Sixth Amendment – Trial by jury and rights of the accused; Confrontation Clause, speedy trial, public trial, right to counsel
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.
Seventh Amendment – Civil trial by jury.
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Eighth Amendment – Prohibition of excessive bail and cruel and unusual punishment.
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Ninth Amendment – Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights.
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Tenth Amendment – Powers of states and people.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
scratchy
08-28-2008, 06:52
Hehe, I posted the 1st 10 on 9news yesterday, amazing how many folks don't know what's in there. Pissed a few people off too.
That's neat and all, but the SCOTUS has come to the conclusion that there can be acceptable limitations to those rights, including the First Amendment. SCOTUS rules on what the Constitution means, not us. This is why the appointment of Supreme Court Justices is so important.
You can "peacably assemble" without obstructing roadways. You can speak your piece, but I also don't have to listen to it. Detaining me in my car and impeding my ability to move freely is a violation of my rights. If the exercising of your right interferes with the rights of others, you aren't endowed by God to be more important than your fellow citizens.
So, how long is this stupid Festival Of The Sheep supposed to last?
The Lib's are hoping at least 8 years.
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The Lib's are hoping at least 8 years.
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Gawd I don't know whether to laugh or cry about that...
The Lib's are hoping at least 8 years. [Abused]
Either way we're screwed.
...yet we have a choice in the size of the dick that we'll have to accommodate.[Help]
theGinsue
08-28-2008, 20:03
Either way we're screwed.
...yet we have a choice in the size of the dick that we'll have to accommodate.[Help]
Will we at least get lubricant this time around?
HunterCO
08-28-2008, 21:40
Will we at least get lubricant this time around?
Is that a rhetorical question?? [ROFL1]
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