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It's your call to delete posts here, but with every deletion can we get the common courtesy of a notification and small explanation. I don't think that is unreasonable.
JM Ver. 2.0
03-14-2013, 21:38
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Here we go!
We do NOT permit illegal discussions on this board. Any discussion centered around revolution, theoretical or not, is an illegal discussion. That said, I can't see everything. Just because something may exist on the site somewhere does not mean it has been reviewed by us, and it especially does not mean it has been approved. So to add to Jim's post - don't just watch what you say for public perception. That kind of crap is not permitted here, nor will it ever. A public forum is hardly the place in any situation. I don't care what topic we broach, we do not discuss illegal activity on this site.
Pretty clear.
That's fine but it doesn't answer what I asked. If you delete just just notify me saying hey I deleted this. I don't see the problem with asking for that.
I really don't mean to seem disrespectful when I ask this...
but why would I owe you a reason for me deleting a post?
I'm not kissing the mods asses here, but I would imagine with the amount of stuff they have to vett on a daily basis, it's too time consuming to address each issue individually. Especially when they work long hours like the rest of us, and are probably "modding" from a smartphone in the bathroom at work, or in traffic. ;-)
HBARleatherneck
03-14-2013, 22:08
if you are talking about the splc thread, your post was just moved.
http://www.ar-15.co/threads/92643-Anti-government-extremist-groups-increasing-say-experts?p=1019565#post1019565
I really don't mean to seem disrespectful when I ask this...
but why would I owe you a reason for me deleting a post?
You don't owe me anything, but as I am respectful to you I don't understand why it can't go the other way as well.
I really don't mean to seem disrespectful when I ask this...
but why would I owe you a reason for me deleting a post?
No, it was another thread. While I agreed with a lot of the discussion in it, it was past the boundaries of the site's rules.
My apologies. Been a long week. I thought the OP was wanting people to tell him why they deleted a post.
Hope everyone has a good weekend. The weather should be nice. [Awesom]
My apologies. Been a long week. I thought the OP was wanting people to tell him why they deleted a post.
Hope everyone has a good weekend. The weather should be nice. [Awesom]
I did. I asked if in the future you could notify me of such action with a sentence or two explaining your decision.
KestrelBike
03-14-2013, 22:28
I understand the question, on another forum I was on (computer gaming lol) if you got naughty, they'd kill your thread and it'd automatically send you a "Thread Killed" message (and the moderator could add a personal message/threat).
What I think *might* be useful, is if there was some way to delete threads and send a quick msg to the offending author with a link to the rule section or whatever that they're breaking. Otherwise, if it's a hit & run kind of thread (or the author went out of town right after posting it, etc) you're going to have a deleted thread but the author might not even know that it was deleted and/or why.
If a thread's going to be deleted, I think it's worth the extra 10 seconds to quickly educate the author on why such a thread is not permitted, and this can be done by quickly copy/pasting a link to the forum rules section where such activity is posted as prohibited. Surely the big main reasons for a thread deletion only amount to 5 or so, just have quick links ready.
I did. I asked if in the future you could notify me of such action with a sentence or two explaining your decision.
Seriously? [facepalm]
KestrelBike
03-14-2013, 22:29
My apologies. Been a long week. I thought the OP was wanting people to tell him why they deleted a post.
Hope everyone has a good weekend. The weather should be nice. [Awesom]
Ray every week is too long with you! You need a vacation.
Let's hope it doesn't rain, 3-gun at Lake George!!
OK.. I think I have misunderstood the whole context of this post.
I'm going to politely bow out of this thread. I apologize to the original poster for my misunderstanding.
Sorry.
[Beer]
Seriously? [facepalm]
What do you think?
What do you think?
OK.. I think I have misunderstood the whole context of this post.
I'm going to politely bow out of this thread. I apologize to the original poster for my misunderstanding.
Sorry.
[Beer]
We usually do send messages. Sometimes we get overly busy, or simply forget.
Other times are when the deleted post is obviously borderline, and the poster usually half expects it to get deleted. So we assume they k is why it's gone.
It's your call to delete posts here, but with every deletion can we get the common courtesy of a notification and small explanation. I don't think that is unreasonable.
Because fuck you, that's why.
Seriously? You really need to ask? I thought that thread you started which promoted armed insurrection was the result of alcohol poisoning.
Guess what? They are counting on people like you to go postal, and it is even better in their opinion if you are loosely organized into a "conspiracy" or a "militia" because that will give them the excuse they need to fast track emergency powers and martial law . . . which is counterproductive.
Personally, I think they overreached and bit off more than they can chew, and the backlash is going to bite them on the ass hard. People are pissed off at the politicians responsible for this, but "revolution" the way you envision it just is not a viable option.
I find it I interesting that a pro 2a site like this gets worried when you say things contained in the 2a or the Constitution.
I find it I interesting that a pro 2a site like this gets worried when you say things contained in the 2a or the Constitution.
Much less just discussing what is advised by the founding fathers...
Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809)
believed that periodic revolution, βat least once every 20 years,β was βa medicine necessary for the sound health of government.β
NOTE: I'm not advocating this or stating we need to do this, just saying what one of our founders thought was needed to maintain liberty. Much like it's been a few million years since a globally changing meteor hit, I don't want it to happen, but we're overdue.
Are you still harping on a deleted thread? Get over it. [my precious
[shit-happens]
I hate the taliban but at least they stand up for what they believe in. Why are words from the Constitution too patriotic for this site? Why are the words of our founding fathers "illegal" here?
skullybones
03-15-2013, 12:02
I hate the left but at least they are honest in their convictions.
Since when?
Let it go, for the love of god.
I think it would be a good idea for the mods to let people know as a way of people knowing what they did wrong. Perhaps it could be a teaching moment. I don't think people intentionally break the rules, so just a word of what they did wrong might help them do the right thing next time. I understand if that is a lot of work and would never expect that all the time.
Worried? Not at all. We do however, know how to make sure this site and organization is still around 15 years from now - or 25.
Can you expand on that. Again I'm not disputing your power to delete posts I completely understand. What I am simply stating is in the future could I be notified with a short explanation of why that decision was made. Not doing so would be like firing somebody and then not telling them. When they find out that they got fired and ask why I was fired, the boss would say well that would take too much effort for me to explain why, you should know. I'm trying to come to an understanding on this issue, but the feedback I get is to let it go and are you serious? I do not understand the need to antagonize the general members on this board.
Basically if someone on this site makes a statement that is against the law. Say calling for the killing of another person (individual or revolution) and the site does nothing about it, that then implicates them. I am sure someone can be way more specific than that. Another example would be a poster who is selling illegal items, if the mods don't take that post off, they could be implicated for collusion of some sort. Like a fence for stolen goods.
BushMasterBoy
03-15-2013, 12:48
What you could do is every post you make, put it on your own personal blog. Then a link to that blog. I have had a few posts deleted, of course I was joking about blowing up a drug den! But hey, you never know, somebody could take serious what you are saying. Kinda like Obama followers...
Posting on a public site that you plan on breaking the law is not a good idea.
Posts like it will be deleted.
I am sure there are plenty of anti-govt sites out there that are more than happy to allow that stuff. We are not either.
theGinsue
03-15-2013, 15:06
If a thread's going to be deleted, I think it's worth the extra 10 seconds to quickly educate the author on why such a thread is not permitted, and this can be done by quickly copy/pasting a link to the forum rules section where such activity is posted as prohibited. Surely the big main reasons for a thread deletion only amount to 5 or so, just have quick links ready.
You really have no idea. That 10 seconds is a minimum of a minute (for me each message requires a few minutes) PLUS the joy of typing the stuff up from an iPad keyboard for me (not fun). Plus, you think we should have another window/tab open to quickly copy & paste site rules? We've got the site rules linked all over this site, if a member can't be bothered to read & learn them, me sending out a cut&paste of them isn't going to improve their understanding of them. Those "10 seconds" add up significantly over the course of an evening.
I think it would be a good idea for the mods to let people know as a way of people knowing what they did wrong. Perhaps it could be a teaching moment. I don't think people intentionally break the rules, so just a word of what they did wrong might help them do the right thing next time. I understand if that is a lot of work and would never expect that all the time.
We do this more often than not, but sometimes we don't. This can be because we're too busy juggling our moderation efforts with our "real lives" and don't have the time. Sometimes we're just too tired to put the effort into it. And, sometimes we're too pissed off at the situation and we can't comment without blowing our tops. Trust me, in the last situation the offender is better off with us not sending them anything.
I work on computers for a living providing assistance to some dumb-assed rocket scientists (no, really, some actually are rocket scientists) for 9 hours a day. I come home and immediately get onto my iPad (which is NOT easy to type msg's, etc.) and admin and try to participate in the site until at LEAST 11PM every day. Remember that we do this as a labor of love. It's not that we don't have enough staff to cover it as you could almost never have enough people to cover everything. We have a good balance of staff to members, but some of the things going on behind the scenes take more of our time than we budgeted for.
I usually have several browser tabs open to various areas of the site at any one time. This becomes a bit of a burden to both my iPad as well as to my mental capacity to keep track of everything (it really play havoc with my OCD too). As I said above, I'm not going to have a tab constantly open so I can quote to a member the rules that they should already be familiar with.
I'm not sure what post/thread precipitated this thread, but I do know that I constantly merge threads that deal with the same topic without sending the second thread starter a msg or leaving a housekeeping mess with redirect links. The biggest are things get moved to or merged into these days is the Legislation & Politics. You all do know that we have a specific forum just for these topics don't you? It doesn't seem that way.
While folks expect the staff to provide the courtesy of a message explaining where and why their post(s) were moved or deleted, no one has yet stated that the members owe it to the staff to try to put things where they really belong or avoid posting things that shouldn't be posted in the first place. Herding Cats. I'm sure everyone has seen Jerry's comments about how mod'ing here can often be smbolized by the idea of herding cats. Some days more than others this is an understatement. We're here to enjoy the site too, not just spend all of our time here wearing our Mod FiFi the French Maid outfits to play housekeeper.
Look folks, the staff does what it does because we love the site and we love the members here. We do the best with what each of us brings to the game and we know that you all appreciate our efforts. What we don't see too much of is understanding and flexibility when it's one of YOUR posts/threads that's in question. It sure would be nice if we could get a little bit of that too.
Mods, I understand all that you are saying and thank you for the time you spend providing such an invaluable tool for the community to stay connected. Not sure how I could help out, but I am sure I and many others don't mind helping. I know I myself have taken your words to heart and have actively changed my personal behavior to do the right thing.
KestrelBike
03-15-2013, 15:23
....And the rest of dinner was eaten in awkward silence
kidicarus13
03-15-2013, 15:27
....And the rest of dinner was eaten in awkward silence
Bwahahaha
Suggestion, can you make it so the original poster can delete a thread? I know I myself have reposted things by accident. Once people told me it was a repost, I wish I had the ability to just delete the posting. Perhaps that already exists and I don't know it. Just trying to think of ways to help.
jerrymrc
03-15-2013, 19:41
Although I did not delete anything I will put another thought out there. Sometimes we send a message and sometimes we do not. After reading your posts here Fmedges I take it that had the staff member sent you a message you would have wanted a debate on the topic like what you have done in this thread.
Having been involved with some of these "debates" with members I can tell you that many times it does not end well. Many just refuse to take no or done for an answer. On top of that with some members if you ID yourself (after doing something that in their mind did not sit well) you wake up to threads started by the offended calling you a pussy, bitch and claiming that you have violated their rights because this is the internet and thou shall not be silenced or edited in any way.
Also understand there is no real rank structure here. There is one boss and a bunch of Indians. We all have our own little quirks but our main goal is the safety of the site. Due to the nature of recent events we DO understand and have let many things slide that would have hit the trashcan a year ago. Now if you will excuse me I have to get back to the parents taxes. From your friendly staff member,
Jerry
DangerLee_Industries
03-15-2013, 21:15
I have to babysit folks on a daily basis as I am in management but they have to look me in the eye while I do it. I can't imagine the frustration level the mods here must feel on a daily basis as folks are much tougher and opinionated behind a keyboard. I rarely jump into these posts but IMO the mods don't need to justify their actions to anyone that clearly uses extremely poor judgement or breaks the rules that are clearly posted. If someone doesn't like that then go post elsewhere since us adults around here could care less.....
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