FBI’s HRT Kill New York Shooter

[buckeye4rnr]

http://sofrep.com/18202/sofrep-exclusive-fbis-hrt-kill-new-york-shooter/




by Iassen Donov (http://sofrep.com/author/iassendonov/)

The recent quadruple homicide in Herkimer, New York ended with the 64-year-old shooter, Kurt Meyers, dead at the hands of what media outlets are referring to a “SWAT” or “police tactical team”. It turns out the raid against Meyers in an abandoned bar was conducted by the assaulters from the FBIs Hostage Rescue Team (http://sofrep.com/16901/fbis-hostage-rescue-team-marks-30th-anniversary/), or simply HRT.


On Wednesday March 13th, Kurt Meyers set fire to his home and went on a random shooting spree that left four people dead, and two wounded who are in critical condition. In the aftermath of the shooting, armed with the same shotgun he used to kill four people, Meyers barricaded himself in an abandoned bar in Herkimer called Glory Days. It was that same evening that a team from HRT was stood up to deploy on-site and assist in the developing situation. Seven men and one dog, who were all present in Alabama last month during the hostage rescue of a five-year-old kindergartner, (http://sofrep.com/16948/hrt-conducts-successful-hostage-rescue-in-alabama-spec-ops-breakdown/) loaded onto three helicopters in Quantico, Virginia and flew North to Herkimer.


It was decided Thursday morning that the team from HRT would assault the building. Around 8:00 am, the breach was initiated and the team’s dog was the first through the door. Ape, a two year old Czech German Shepherd, had a camera attached to his body that was being monitored by the agents outside. The first shotgun blast from Meyers missed Ape and destroyed the camera, the second shot hit Ape in the chest, killing him instantly. Not seconds behind, the HRT assaulters stormed through the breach-point and immediately engaged and killed Kurt Meyers. Inside sources within the unit say that Ape saved the lives of the first men through the door as Meyers was hiding in wait with his shotgun trained on the entrance. The two shots he used to engage Ape would have certainly been used to engage the first man in the building.

[Kraven251]

Feel bad for the dog, and the handler. One of those, "it's the job" scenarios, but sucks all the way around.

[NGCSUGrad09]

Score one for the good guys. Unfortunately it came at the cost of a dog.

[cofi]

:( sad the dog died

[BPTactical]

Its a doggone shame.......

[Cylinder Head]

Poor dog that really sucks. I'm sure the trainer spent a few minutes kicking the shit out of the shooter's corpse.

[sellersm]

Good boy, Ape. RIP. And +1 to what Cylinder Head said above...

[losttrail]

+2 on Cylinder Head's post

[Teufelhund]

It's the bad guy's fault the dog died? He isn't the one who sent the dog in first, like a canary into a mine shaft. I'd say the handler shares at least equal blame. What the hell did they think was going to happen? That the guy would just give him a biscuit and scratch his ears?

[buckeye4rnr]

It's the bad guy's fault the dog died? He isn't the one who sent the dog in first, like a canary into a mine shaft. I'd say the handler shares at least equal blame. What the hell did they think was going to happen? That the guy would just give him a biscuit and scratch his ears?

He shot the dog did he not? Definitely his fault.

[Teufelhund]

He shot the dog did he not? Definitely his fault.

Let's say you're one of the cops on scene. The rest of the team takes your gun from you, straps a camera to your head, and says, "He's only got two shots, Joe. You go in first and soak those up so the rest of us can come charging in behind your corpse." Now whose fault is it?

My only point is they used him as a shield and he's not smart enough to protest because he's a freaking dog. That just seems a little foul in my book.

[kidicarus13]

That's why dogs are deployed in barricaded subject type situations. Better to have a dead dog than a dead officer.

[davsel]

So, what happened to the millions of dollars worth of robots these organizations have purchased?
They could have just waited him out - Well, not since the new California rules of judge/jury/executioner were enacted nation wide.
I agree with Teufelhund on this one.
Crime to waste a dog when multiple other options are available.

[Rooskibar03]

From business insider. http://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-officers-rifle-mistake-2013-3


http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/51433936eab8ea786700002d-2048-1536-640-/herkimer3%20(1).jpg



Closer look

http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/51433dd569bedd8b2f000025-697-523/riflesight-1.jpg

[SuperiorDG]

That's why he needs the backup sites. "This damn thing doesn't work"

[Teufelhund]

Nice. Military and police are definitely the only ones who should be trusted to have those dangerous weapons, as demonstrated by this cop who doesn't know which way to mount his red dot. And is that one of those high-capacity assault clips, designed to kill as many people as possible, as quickly as possible?

Brings to mind a certain DEA agent: "I'm the only one I know qualified to handle this Glock fohty. . . bang!"

[Blockhead]

Honestly, I think you're seeing an optical illusion that he has his eye smashed up against that eotech.

[Teufelhund]

Honestly, I think you're seeing an optical illusion that he has his eye smashed up against that eotech.


It's mounted backward.

[Blockhead]

It's mounted backward.

Haha, good stuff. I didn't even notice.

[Clint45]

It's mounted backward.

What sort of shithead shows up with a weapon he has not tested and sighted in???

[Cylinder Head]

How is anyone that retarded? Why are they trusted with our safety?

[jaskuo]

That's probably the same guy who suggested sending in the dog with a camera on his back

[buckshotbarlow]

FUDD LEO?

[Bailey Guns]

Not going to argue whether or not sending in the dog was appropriate because I don't know what resources they had available...I wasn't there.

But if you're blaming the cops for the bad guy shooting the dog your thinking capabilities are seriously fucked up. If that's the case, who's fault was it that he shot the other people?

And the EoTech photo is priceless.

[Colorado_Outback]

What sort of shithead shows up with a weapon he has not tested and sighted in???

$20 says hes been running it like that the whole time.

[nynco]

Poor dog. I think its really wrong that they sacrificed the dog. I know its not a human, but they could have done it different. Esp since there were no hostages. Shame on who ever ordered the dog in there.

[wreave]

$20 says hes been running it like that the whole time.

Double or nothing says he's replaced the batteries three times.

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Now, here's some fuel for the fire:

It's been suggested in this discussion that HRT should have sent in a robot instead of a dog. This being an abandoned building, that could certainly make sense. Of course, a dog can go around a lot of obstacles that a robot can't, but a robot might at least be worth a try.

What if, instead of an abandoned building, the BG had holed up at a farm. Lots of small buildings, they don't know which one, could be anywhere. Oh, and he doesn't have a shotgun, but he has a rifle. Let's say it's a bolt-action hunting rifle (though it could be an AR, right?). A ground-based robot, which really has no autonomy that would actually make it a robot, but is actually just a fancy remote-controlled car, could spent hours trawling the area and never find the BG (or he might snipe it without anyone pinpointing his location). So instead of a ground-based remote control unit, HRT sends up an air-based remote control unit, like an RC plane. Let's call it a drone.

Could the drone be configured to kill the BG? Or should they send the HRT men across open fields to get close enough to raid the location?

[nynco]

I just hate seeing a police dog killed. I tend to think of them as the same thing as a fellow soldier. Sure commanders sacrifice soldiers too. But we all hope they make that judgement as a last resort.

[Squeeze]

Not going to argue whether or not sending in the dog was appropriate because I don't know what resources they had available...I wasn't there.

But if you're blaming the cops for the bad guy shooting the dog your thinking capabilities are seriously fucked up. If that's the case, who's fault was it that he shot the other people?

And the EoTech photo is priceless.

^^^ Well said sir...well said. [Awesom]

[Great-Kazoo]

I have read this post a few times and other than the link i have an issue how the post was titled. Hey it's fried day.

HRT DIDN'T KILL ANYONE, THEY STOPPED AN ARMED THREAT.

It bothers me as this is how the media portrays gun owners, KILL, INNOCENT, Buzz words used to portray someone in a negative light. I am sure the OP did not have that intent.

[Drucker]

You mean it wasn't a cop that shot the dog this time?

[osok-308]

Man New York is safe with all their gun laws.

[Great-Kazoo]

Poor dog. I think its really wrong that they sacrificed the dog. I know its not a human, but they could have done it different. Esp since there were no hostages. Shame on who ever ordered the dog in there.

You need to study up on LE tactics and understand
1) It's a dog, not a human being, still a loss but a DOG
2) Your armchair QB'ing of the situation and condemnation of them for using the dog leans a tad to the left, just a tad.
perhaps i should take you prairie dog shooting. Those cute little tails a wagging, sweet chirps and barking, flea ridden disease carrying vermin. BANG 1 down 3 to go.

[Citizen_Soldier]

From business insider. http://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-officers-rifle-mistake-2013-3

Closer look



This blows my mind. And why the hell is his rear BUIS up? I guess he thought his optic was malfunctioning and had to revert to irons. It feels terrible when I see a "professional" like this who obviously doesn't know the first thing about his primary offensive weapon.

ETA: Also I just noticed cowboy on the 870 has his left hand supporting the stock like he's shooting some machine gun. If he actually had to fire the shotgun his hand wouldn't be on the pump and it would take him like an extra 1-2 seconds to get a second shot off. Plus recoil/aiming wouldn't be as controlled as if he had a proper grip on the shotgun. Ridiculous.

[SA Friday]

ETA: Also I just noticed cowboy on the 870 has his left hand supporting the stock like he's shooting some machine gun. If he actually had to fire the shotgun his hand wouldn't be on the pump and it would take him like an extra 1-2 seconds to get a second shot off. Plus recoil/aiming wouldn't be as controlled as if he had a proper grip on the shotgun. Ridiculous.
It's a photo, a fraction piece of time. For all you know this position was maintained for a mere second but was captured in this one fraction.

Seriously, between nynco wanting to cry over the dog and this, you all need to put your crackerjack badges down and slowly back away.

[buckeye4rnr]

I have read this post a few times and other than the link i have an issue how the post was titled. Hey it's fried day.

HRT DIDN'T KILL ANYONE, THEY STOPPED AN ARMED THREAT.

It bothers me as this is how the media portrays gun owners, KILL, INNOCENT, Buzz words used to portray someone in a negative light. I am sure the OP did not have that intent.


I don't think they intended to portray it that way. That site is run and all articles are written by former SOF guys and they have plenty of articles arguing for our 2nd Amendment rights. Probably just poor word choice because that particular author was a Ranger and after reading some of his other articles and comments he's definitely on our side.

[mtnhack]

I have read this post a few times and other than the link i have an issue how the post was titled. Hey it's fried day.

HRT DIDN'T KILL ANYONE, THEY STOPPED AN ARMED THREAT.

It bothers me as this is how the media portrays gun owners, KILL, INNOCENT, Buzz words used to portray someone in a negative light. I am sure the OP did not have that intent.I disagree.
They DID kill him. Now if they said *murdered*, that would imply what you say.

Your *stopped an armed threat* does exactly what I have seen you rail against others for; it minces words and is just PC bs. Tell these f@#$s what is going to happen when you pull this crap, we're going to KILL you.

(any offense was unintended, and my proactive apology is implied)

[68Charger]

The LAPD would just burn the building down...[gohome]

[C Ward]

There are many trainers and schools that teach having the back up sights up all the time . Vickers did at his class .

Also going to suspect this was a local FBI SWAT team , find it hard to believe they would spool up HRT for one lone nutbag .

[kidicarus13]

Also going to suspect this was a local FBI SWAT team , find it hard to believe they would spool up HRT for one lone nutbag .

From link in the first thread...

Seven men and one dog, who were all present in Alabama last month during the hostage rescue of a five-year-old kindergartner, loaded onto three helicopters in Quantico, Virginia and flew North to Herkimer.