View Full Version : How tough will it be to find an FFL to do our background checks?
When all they are allowed to charge is $10?
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22793060/dealers-may-opt-out-private-gun-sale-checks?source=googlenews&google_editors_picks=true
The biggest hitch to deploying universal background checks in Colorado may be persuading licensed firearm dealers to do them for private sales.
House Bill 1229, which will be debated in the state Senate and perhaps the House on Friday, requires background checks for all firearm sales, including those between individuals. It also requires those checks to be done by a federally licensed dealer but limits the fee that the dealer can charge for the service to $10.
"It's ridiculous," said Richard Taylor, manager of Firing Line, Colorado's largest gun shop. Taylor had estimated that providing the service for noncustomers would cost $50.
"We aren't going to provide the service. We can't afford to," he said. "It will cost us more to provide the service than what we'd recoup."
He's not alone.
Read more:Colorado private gun-sale checks: Dealers might opt out because of low fee - The Denver Post (http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22793060/dealers-may-opt-out-private-gun-sale-checks?source=googlenews&google_editors_picks=true#ixzz2NfaUlNiU)http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22793060/dealers-may-opt-out-private-gun-sale-checks?source=googlenews&google_editors_picks=true#ixzz2NfaUlNiU
Read The Denver Post's Terms of Use of its content: http://www.denverpost.com/termsofuse
Follow us:@Denverpost on Twitter (http://ec.tynt.com/b/rw?id=drJey4bd8r3PGFab7jrHtB&u=Denverpost)|Denverpost on Facebook (http://ec.tynt.com/b/rf?id=drJey4bd8r3PGFab7jrHtB&u=Denverpost)
10mm-man
03-15-2013, 21:32
I'm not doing it, hate doing it now for $35, sure not doing it for $10..... Better get your signature on the ballot initiative so they can repeal.....
twitchyfinger
03-15-2013, 21:36
Not that there is any logic to any if this but they whose make the rules should start paying FFL's. Oh yeah that requires spending more money! Seems to me it is yet just another one of their overlooked perks to taking away everything gun related when no one will do a transfer because its more a hassle than its worth!
Do you suppose the legislators deliberately set the fee that low to discourage FFLs from providing the service, knowing what a huge PITA processing a transfer will be?
spqrzilla
03-15-2013, 21:39
Yes, I think they did.
Rucker61
03-15-2013, 21:39
Do you suppose the legislators deliberately set the fee that low to discourage FFLs from providing the service, knowing what a huge PITA processing a transfer will be?
Do ya think?
Do you suppose the legislators deliberately set the fee that low to discourage FFLs from providing the service, knowing what a huge PITA processing a transfer will be?
Oh yeah.
They are hoping people will break the law.
This is harassment legislation, nothing more.
I feel like I'm down south and the sheriff just came by and said "Move along now, we don't want your kind round here"
The house committee that heard the bill considered an amendment by Bob Gardner that specifically said dealers are NOT REQUIRED to do them. The amendment was not adopted and the bill sponsor said she wants dealers to be required to do them.
This is harassment legislation, nothing more.
I feel like I'm down south and the sheriff just came by and said "Move along now, we don't want your kind round here"
They don't want us around, with us around they can't kick doors in and arrest people for speaking out against the government.
The house committee that heard the bill considered an amendment by Bob Gardner that specifically said dealers are NOT REQUIRED to do them. The amendment was not adopted and the bill sponsor said she wants dealers to be required to do them.
See, it is all about making someone do something against their will. Showing FFLs who is large and in charge.
FFL's are federally regulated are they not? I don't see how the state can compel a business owner to lose money. They've got Notary Public ($5) on the brain and people SIGN UP for that.
Richard K
03-15-2013, 22:55
I was under the impression that the $10 fee went to CBI and that a dealer could charge their current transfer fee in addition.
I was under the impression that the $10 fee went to CBI and that a dealer could charge their current transfer fee in addition.
Doesn't look that way:
5 (d) A LICENSED GUN DEALER MAY CHARGE A FEE FOR SERVICES
6 RENDERED PURSUANT TO THIS SECTION, WHICH FEE SHALL NOT EXCEED
7 TEN DOLLARS.
Let's boycott FFLs and they can boycott us. That will show the state!
tmleadr03
03-16-2013, 00:19
Guns? What guns?
10mm-man
03-16-2013, 00:38
Let's boycott FFLs and they can boycott us. That will show the state!
Your boycotted! This boycott stuff has to work.....
[fudd][Kick3]
NightCat
03-16-2013, 02:55
It's just another step towards registration.
This way they know who has what and who transferred what to whom...just wait..
Byte Stryke
03-16-2013, 05:20
well I don't understand what the fuss is about, my friend Janiqua says that a background check, you fill out a paper and dude puts it is a computer or makes a phone call is all.
[ROFL1]
This is harassment legislation, nothing more.
100% agreed.
It is a punitive measure intended to persecute gun owners and treat them like criminals.
If they want to insist upon background checks, why don't they give us the option of doing it ourselves, on our phones, free of charge?
Confused. The $10 is supposed to go to the gov to cover the cost of the gov doing the check. I would imagine that the ffl would then charge the normal transfer fee on top. Just as when you get your ccw. A certain portion of that cost is the background check and the other part is the ccw fee from the sheriff.
No, 1228 made us pay the gov for the BGC. It's a variable rate based on what it costs them to run it. Expected to start between $7 and $12. 1229 says that the FFL may charge a fee, not over $10. So you pay both.
osok-308
03-16-2013, 07:37
Yeah, this bill was made very sloppily. Once again those who are passing these laws have no idea how firearms actually work and are just passing "feel good" laws.
Great-Kazoo
03-16-2013, 07:40
Yeah, this bill was made very sloppily. Once again those who are passing these laws have no idea how firearms actually work and are just passing "feel good" laws.
GTFO, Seriously?
battle_sight_zero
03-16-2013, 07:49
Do you suppose the legislators deliberately set the fee that low to discourage FFLs from providing the service, knowing what a huge PITA processing a transfer will be?
I am sure the Bloomberg, Obama and Brady folks had a list of bullet points when they advised our legislators. Hopefully we will overturn this garbage.
Richard K
03-16-2013, 08:14
I don't recall seeing anything in the bill that requires a buyer to complete a 4473, just undergo a background check, right? Could 2A friendly shreiff's do the backgrounds?
sneakerd
03-16-2013, 08:15
The gun will have to go into the FFLs books, so the FFL will have to "take possession" of the gun during the process. 4473s will be needed. I'm pretty sure that the number of FTF transfers will go down drastically after the 1st. A big flurry of them beforehand.
Great-Kazoo
03-16-2013, 08:24
The gun will have to go into the FFLs books, so the FFL will have to "take possession" of the gun during the process. 4473s will be needed. I'm pretty sure that the number of FTF transfers will go down drastically after the 1st. A big flurry of them beforehand.
You can buy a gun off the streets w/out a BG check? That sounds "reasonable"[facepalm]
Yeah, this bill was made very sloppily. Once again those who are passing these laws have no idea how firearms actually work and are just passing "feel good" laws.
All of these bills are intentionally written to be this way. They give a title that says one thing and the bills text says something entirely different.
Mike
So, neither of my last two FFL's have charged me any fee when I go in and buy a firearm... So, charging $10 shouldn't be a problem... I know it's just one more way for the FFL to make a buck, but, why the hell would you stop your services? It didn't cost anything to do it before, now it's just ten bucks. Before anyone digs in on my insight, I have had a business before, I know what time costs, and that is the only reason for charging any kind of money for the paperwork. Doing the paperwork takes 5 to 10 minutes tops, then you send it in and wait. While waiting, you could easily do something else worth your time. It just seems like a cop out here on the FFL's part. We're supposed to be fighting back here, and now there is this shit? This is going to make people give in? WTF? I'm glad my FFL isn't doing any shit like that...
Most don't charge a fee if you buy from them. Most charge a fee of 15-50 if you buy off armslist or Bud's and have to have it shipped from out of state and do a BGC.
Most don't charge a fee if you buy from them. Most charge a fee of 15-50 if you buy off armslist or Bud's and have to have it shipped from out of state and do a BGC.
I know of the three here in town, one charges $45, one charges $20, and the one I use is nice, even with my mail in guns.
Circuits
03-16-2013, 10:43
Transfers won't go down to $10, You'll just get two line items on your bill - "Background Check $10" "Transfer services $xx"
Not sure how or if that will work out for required "private-party background checks".
buckshotbarlow
03-16-2013, 10:45
i think we just go across state lines...colorado can't enforce their laws in the border states...
I can only think that since FFL has FEDERAL in it, that a state can not force a private business to charge a fee. this could actually turn out good for us as I believe it could easily be challenged in court and the law overturned.
Transfers won't go down to $10, You'll just get two line items on your bill - "Background Check $10" "Transfer services $xx"
Not sure how or if that will work out for required "private-party background checks".
thats what i was thinking
Great-Kazoo
03-16-2013, 11:21
i think we just go across state lines...colorado can't enforce their laws in the border states...
Your going to drive 3-4 hrs just to sell a gun to another CO resident, Someone hack your account?
SideShow Bob
03-16-2013, 11:29
i think we just go across state lines...colorado can't enforce their laws in the border states...
Not only what Jim said, but I think you just broke Federal laws by doing this....[fail]
Circuits
03-16-2013, 12:11
Not only what Jim said, but I think you just broke Federal laws by doing this....[fail]
Unless it's just to buy shotguns and rifles from FFLs in other states, yeah - been illegal since 1968. No reason to drive across state lines to break the law - if you're gonna do it, just do it here.
PanamaDave
03-16-2013, 13:55
Transfers won't go down to $10, You'll just get two line items on your bill - "Background Check $10" "Transfer services $xx"
Not sure how or if that will work out for required "private-party background checks".
^ This...
I'm expecting to see a large increase in consignment firearms available at local FFLs to avoid the hassle.
Dealers will make their consignment fee and buyers will pay an extra $10 for the BGC.
I'm not sure this law will stand in the courts I don't believe the government can charge a fee for a "right" in the bill of rights. There will no longer be any place in this state you can go to freely exercise your "right" to bear arms. Your friends or neighbors can't even give you a free gun to defend your self.
Circuits
03-16-2013, 15:23
OK, I figured out the business angle. No private party background checks, but low-low same-day consignment fees. You consign a firearm with me and it sells the first day (aka private party pre-arranged sale, mostly), then only $XX consignment fee instead of 10%.
Anybody know if Bill Stark is still doing transfers? I know he did LOTS of them, did a few for me. Haven't needed his services for awhile though. I've bought most of my collection FTF.
OK, I figured out the business angle. No private party background checks, but low-low same-day consignment fees. You consign a firearm with me and it sells the first day (aka private party pre-arranged sale, mostly), then only $XX consignment fee instead of 10%.
Exactly what I expect
so we go from $0 additional cost to:
$12 CBI BG fee (rising at 7%/yr)
$40 Lo Lo consignment fee (rising at inflation)
$Sales tax
Wheee, harassment as its finest.
You can buy a gun off the streets w/out a BG check? That sounds "reasonable"[facepalm]
It is a sad fucking day when people can buy marijuana legally as "medicine", but buying a common hunting rifle in a parking lot from someone you've known for years is suddenly treated by the government like a black market drug deal.
Does anyone have a link to the current law regarding BGC fee caps? I'm curious if an FFL could charge a "handling/storage" fee for handling the customer's firearm while they do their BGC. I just hope some FFL's are at least willing to help people out with their PPTs. Being reasonable with PPTs and other transfers tends to get customers to do repeat business including new purchases.
It is a sad fucking day when people can buy marijuana legally as "medicine", but buying a common hunting rifle in a parking lot from someone you've known for years is suddenly treated by the government like a black market drug deal.
No shit. And buying a box with a spring in it after a certain date will be a crime if that little spring-loaded box is too big.
Great-Kazoo
03-16-2013, 23:04
Does anyone have a link to the current law regarding BGC fee caps? I'm curious if an FFL could charge a "handling/storage" fee for handling the customer's firearm while they do their BGC. I just hope some FFL's are at least willing to help people out with their PPTs. Being reasonable with PPTs and other transfers tends to get customers to do repeat business including new purchases.
legislation & politics forum. BTW: the LAW isn't in place yet. FFL is a business not a charity. Time is worth something. Charity doesn't cover payroll, utilities and loans.
Does anyone have a link to the current law regarding BGC fee caps? I'm curious if an FFL could charge a "handling/storage" fee for handling the customer's firearm while they do their BGC. I just hope some FFL's are at least willing to help people out with their PPTs. Being reasonable with PPTs and other transfers tends to get customers to do repeat business including new purchases.
The BGC fee from CBI is a different bill. It will apply for all firearm purchases, transfer or retail (one fee per purchase, not one per firearm). That fee is to be set each year based on the costs to CBI for firearm transfers during the previous year. What do you expect to happen to a bureaucracy when no check is put on their costs.
as for total cost to the consumer:
A FFL can tack on anything they want. The line item for Transfer Fee is fixed at $10, the rest is all open to negotiation.
There is nothing in the law saying that they have to perform the transfer. There is nothing saying they must perform a transfer for $10 total cost.
But that law has not been sent on the the gov yet. it is still open to change.
No shit. And buying a box with a spring in it after a certain date will be a crime if that little spring-loaded box is too big.
and based on MJ prohibition, how effective do you expect that box with spring law to be?
oh right, harassment.
legislation & politics forum. BTW: the LAW isn't in place yet. FFL is a business not a charity. Time is worth something. Charity doesn't cover payroll, utilities and loans.
I'm curious, but how long WOULD it take to do a transfer in CO on average? I think $10 is pretty ridiculous, but anyone walking in to your shop is also a potential customer.
I'm curious, but how long WOULD it take to do a transfer in CO on average? I think $10 is pretty ridiculous, but anyone walking in to your shop is also a potential customer.
from past experience: 1 hour to the customer, about 20 minutes to the shop. That is best case, fill out the form, log in, log out. for accepting an incoming shipment, tracking down the buyer (standard out of state transfer) it would be more.
from past experience: 1 hour to the customer, about 20 minutes to the shop. That is best case, fill out the form, log in, log out. for accepting an incoming shipment, tracking down the buyer (standard out of state transfer) it would be more.
It seems to be about the same amount of time where I'm at now. I would expect at least $25 for the process not including state fees. Hopefully these bills die where they are now. I sent my emails and filled out forms.
Rucker61
03-17-2013, 09:17
The BGC fee from CBI is a different bill. It will apply for all firearm purchases, transfer or retail (one fee per purchase, not one per firearm). That fee is to be set each year based on the costs to CBI for firearm transfers during the previous year. What do you expect to happen to a bureaucracy when no check is put on their costs.
If the FFL insists one a "one transfer per firearm policy", is it possible to get a single BGC with multiple 4473s?
I'm curious, but how long WOULD it take to do a transfer in CO on average? I think $10 is pretty ridiculous, but anyone walking in to your shop is also a potential customer.
The shop could also lose a large sale while spending time doing someone's $10 transfer. there are a lot of shops that already refuse to do transfers on anything they don't sell personally, I expect it to be difficult to find shops that do the BGCs. What I don't get is that I can do an online BGC for a potential renter or employee, why can't I do one myself online for the guy down the street that wants to buy a gun from me?
SideShow Bob
03-17-2013, 10:34
Maybe I am reading the wording in the bill wrong, so please someone well versed in legalese read the wording of the bill. The way I am understanding it, the bill states that the individual seller must obtain a BGC (4473) on a prospective transferee through an FFL to get the CBI's blessing on the transfer, and does not state that the FFL must do the actual transfer.
To me this means that the seller and buyer go to an FFL, ask for a BGC on the buyer, and with a positive BCG that is good up to thirty days ( according to the bill) the seller and buyer can do the deal at their leisure.
Is there something I am missing ? Or is there a federal regulation that requires the FFL to log in a firearm before running a BCG and log out a firearm to a buyer of a positive BCG ?
Also the set fee in the bill is for the BCG only, payable to the CBI. So if the FFL is doing the actual transfer fees for that service are not limited.
Don't misunderstand me, I am NOT for further .Gov involvement in our lives, and want to still be able to buy/sell as we are accustomed to and have all these gun grabbing legislation trashed. I am just wanting to understand that I am reading the bills correctly.
Maybe I am reading the wording in the bill wrong, so please someone well versed in legalese read the wording of the bill. The way I am understanding it, the bill states that the individual seller must obtain a BGC (4473) on a prospective transferee through an FFL to get the CBI's blessing on the transfer, and does not state that the FFL must do the actual transfer. To me this means that the seller and buyer go to an FFL, ask for a BGC on the buyer, and with a positive BCG that is good up to thirty days ( according to the bill) the seller and buyer can do the deal at their leisure. Is there something I am missing ? Or is there a federal regulation that requires the FFL to log in a firearm before running a BCG and log out a firearm to a buyer of a positive BCG ? Also the set fee in the bill is for the BCG only, payable to the CBI. So if the FFL is doing the actual transfer fees for that service are not limited. Don't misunderstand me, I am NOT for further .Gov involvement in our lives, and want to still be able to buy/sell as we are accustomed to and have all these gun grabbing legislation trashed. I am just wanting to understand that I am reading the bills correctly.
That is how I read it as well.
BlasterBob
03-17-2013, 10:50
If the FFL insists one a "one transfer per firearm policy", is it possible to get a single BGC with multiple 4473s?
I'd sure hope it would be entirely possible to do multiple 4473's on one BGC for the same person unless a matter of greed would be involved.
Of course then there is the matter of a certain number handguns can be transferred within a certain number of business days - what is the current rule, only one handgun may be transferred within five business days or the transaction has to be promptly reported to the ATF??[2cents]
Rucker61
03-17-2013, 10:57
Maybe I am reading the wording in the bill wrong, so please someone well versed in legalese read the wording of the bill. The way I am understanding it, the bill states that the individual seller must obtain a BGC (4473) on a prospective transferee through an FFL to get the CBI's blessing on the transfer, and does not state that the FFL must do the actual transfer.
To me this means that the seller and buyer go to an FFL, ask for a BGC on the buyer, and with a positive BCG that is good up to thirty days ( according to the bill) the seller and buyer can do the deal at their leisure.
From how I read it, the BGC on the buyer/transferee is only good for that single proposed transaction, that any other proposed transfers, even in the period that the first is valid, require additional BGCs.
BlasterBob
03-17-2013, 11:03
The way I understood, the FFL must run it through his books, showing a received and disposition of the firearms. I'll bet it HAS to be done that way.
SideShow Bob
03-17-2013, 11:10
The way I understood, the FFL must run it through his books, showing a received and disposition of the firearms. I'll bet it HAS to be done that way.
You are correct, just reread and that part jumped out at me ! I can't cut and paste from the wording, but it does say in a nut shell : that said transfer is to be treated as though the firearm came out of their own inventory.
I guess I should have read the wording better before posting.
BlasterBob
03-17-2013, 11:32
You are correct, just reread and that part jumped out at me ! I can't cut and paste from the wording, but it does say in a nut shell : that said transfer is to be treated as though the firearm came out of their own inventory.
So, the FFL enters the firearm in his book, then makes the BGC phone call or computer inquiry and if there is a delay of more than a few hours, it appears the FFL will have to hang on to the firearm until the BCG is cleared and if it takes more than that particular day to complete it, the firearm will most likely have to remain in the possession of the FFL. Then have to hope the firearm is not lost/stolen/burned in a fire prior to delivery to the new buyer, which would probably cause a total loss for the guy SELLING the firearm. If the firearm is entered in the FFL's books and not yet showing the disposition yet, and the ATF comes to inspect the books, the firearm had better still be there in inventory or the FFL will have some explaining to do as to why it is no longer there. There are a lot of IF's involved in this goofy Democrap scheme.
So, the FFL enters the firearm in his book, then makes the BGC phone call or computer inquiry and if there is a delay of more than a few hours, it appears the FFL will have to hang on to the firearm until the BCG is cleared and if it takes more than that particular day to complete it, the firearm will most likely have to remain in the possession of the FFL. Then have to hope the firearm is not lost/stolen/burned in a fire prior to delivery to the new buyer, which would probably cause a total loss for the guy SELLING the firearm. If the firearm is entered in the FFL's books and not yet showing the disposition yet, and the ATF comes to inspect the books, the firearm had better still be there in inventory or the FFL will have some explaining to do as to why it is no longer there. There are a lot of IF's involved in this goofy Democrap scheme.
we want through this discussion a week or so ago.
The firearm does not have to be in the possession of the FFL for them to begin the 4473 and the BG check. How it is handled will be up to each FFL but there is no requirement that the FFL hold the firearm during the transfer.
SideShow Bob
03-17-2013, 12:13
we want through this discussion a week or so ago.
The firearm does not have to be in the possession of the FFL for them to begin the 4473 and the BG check. How it is handled will be up to each FFL but there is no requirement that the FFL hold the firearm during the transfer.
At least we didn't start a new post on the same subject.......... Also look at the wording in the bill, the part where it says that the FFL conduct the transfer as if the firearm came from their inventory. As such, they have to take it into their inventory to make a transfer.
At least we didn't start a new post on the same subject.......... Also look at the wording in the bill, the part where it says that the FFL conduct the transfer as if the firearm came from their inventory. As such, they have to take it into their inventory to make a transfer.
yep at some point they do. but not until the BG check is complete.
I've had stores start the 4473 when I ordered something from their distributor. Since the rifle didn't show up for a couple weeks I'm sure the BG check was done before they had it on hand and logged in. That was a plain old retail transaction.
Great-Kazoo
03-17-2013, 12:23
I'd sure hope it would be entirely possible to do multiple 4473's on one BGC for the same person unless a matter of greed would be involved.
Of course then there is the matter of a certain number handguns can be transferred within a certain number of business days - what is the current rule, only one handgun may be transferred within five business days or the transaction has to be promptly reported to the ATF??[2cents]
7 days. 2 or more handguns ATF & your sheriff receives notification.
Byte Stryke
03-17-2013, 12:28
The way I understood, the FFL must run it through his books, showing a received and disposition of the firearms. I'll bet it HAS to be done that way.
You are correct, just reread and that part jumped out at me ! I can't cut and paste from the wording, but it does say in a nut shell : that said transfer is to be treated as though the firearm came out of their own inventory.
I guess I should have read the wording better before posting.
At least we didn't start a new post on the same subject.......... Also look at the wording in the bill, the part where it says that the FFL conduct the transfer as if the firearm came from their inventory. As such, they have to take it into their inventory to make a transfer.
which makes me wonder, if person A transfers possesion of firearm to FFL for sale to person B, B Fails BCI, who owns the firearm?
SideShow Bob
03-17-2013, 12:32
which makes me wonder, if person A transfers possesion of firearm to FFL for sale to person B, B Fails BCI, who owns the firearm?
And does person "A" (seller) have to do a BGC/transfer to take his firearm home until he has another prospective buyer ?
PanamaDave
03-17-2013, 13:04
which makes me wonder, if person A transfers possesion of firearm to FFL for sale to person B, B Fails BCI, who owns the firearm?
And does person "A" (seller) have to do a BGC/transfer to take his firearm home until he has another prospective buyer ?
Yes, a BGC/4473 transfer would be required to return firearm to person A (seller).
BlasterBob
03-17-2013, 13:45
Yes, a BGC/4473 transfer would be required to return firearm to person A (seller).
And if the person A (seller) of the firearm cannot pass the BGC to retrieve his own firearm back into his possession, the FFL has probably just gained another firearm. Of course the seller's neighbor, friend or whoever can probably come in to retrieve the firearm but he/she will have to pass the BGC too and then there is the real possibility of a straw purchase in the making if they intend to give it back to the original seller - who couldn't pass that BGC. [facepalm]
BlasterBob
03-17-2013, 13:54
And does person "A" (seller) have to do a BGC/transfer to take his firearm home until he has another prospective buyer ?
YES, as long as it was entered into the FFL's book, there will have to be a disposition record to satisfy the ATF folks if they happen to come to the FFL to check his book against his inventory. I had a FFL 01 license for over 30+ years and I do know at least the bare BASICS of FFL requirements stuff - but do NOT want to appear to be a "know it all" about this FFL crapola.[blaster]
Circuits
03-17-2013, 15:19
As for the multiple firearms per BGC, yes. Any number of firearms can go on one 4473 and background check.
All that matters to CBI/NICS is if "other" or "handgun" is one of the boxes ticked, the buyer must be an in-state resident and over 21, and the total number of firearms transferred is recorded on the 4473.
Additionally, if two or more firearms were handguns, or if one was a handgun and that FFL has transferred a handgun to the same person within the last 7 calendar days, the FFL must also fill out a multiple handgun sales report.
BlasterBob
03-17-2013, 16:08
Thanks Circuits.... That's exactly how I remembered it.
jerrymrc
03-17-2013, 16:26
Please gang, think of what your saying in a public forum. [mop]
jerrymrc
03-17-2013, 16:28
Yes, a BGC/4473 transfer would be required to return firearm to person A (seller).
And that is where the big rub is.
Rucker61
03-17-2013, 17:01
As for the multiple firearms per BGC, yes. Any number of firearms can go on one 4473 and background check.
Can, but not must, correct?
Circuits
03-17-2013, 17:32
Can, but not must, correct?
Well, yeah. Generally no FFL wants more paperwork than what's required. If an FFL were to split your BGC into one form per firearm and thereby cost you at the very least the upcoming state fee for each individual check, would you do business with them?
BlasterBob
03-18-2013, 19:32
Well, yeah. Generally no FFL wants more paperwork than what's required. If an FFL were to split your BGC into one form per firearm and thereby cost you at the very least the upcoming state fee for each individual check, would you do business with them?
Would I do business with them? -- I don't THINK so.[blaster]
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.3 Copyright © 2025 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.