On Gunbroker we are becoming Commiorado

[battle_sight_zero]

Been buying up bulk orders of mags for my friends and I so we can either last thru this nonsense until its overturned or move. I have had 2 out of state deals fall through because the sellers won't sell to Colorado because of our legislation. In addition I have had sellers being very cautious with me asking all kinds of questions.

But so far I am doing pretty darn good in my efforts, but just be aware you may have some difficultys.

[JohnTRourke]

that's stupid, the laws don't take effect til July 1st.
After that their caution is warranted.

I like the Commirado

[MarkCO]

I have already had customers tell me they will not buy from us unless we move out of Colorado...and I quote.

"I'd rather have mediocre gear from a company in a free state than the best stuff from a company in a commie state."

[zteknik]

I remember going through the same thing when I lived in NY.
Deja vu...

[DaBull]

Peoples Socialist Paradise of Kolorado.

[Troublco]

I have already had customers tell me they will not buy from us unless we move out of Colorado...and I quote.

"I'd rather have mediocre gear from a company in a free state than the best stuff from a company in a commie state."

I'm a bit torn with this thought...I tend to agree with the sentiment; but economically flogging the poor bastards who have been caught "behind the lines" before the battle's over to me seems shortsighted. I applaud MagPul for what they're doing; but I'm not going to cease doing business with them or any other Colorado company right this second because of what a pack of socialist politicians are doing. I just ordered a bunch of stuff from APEX the other day, and I'll support any other company in Colorado that is on the right side of this battle. (Now, someone's going to tell me something bad about APEX...I can see it coming.[facepalm])


The Commirado does have a certain ring to it, though...

[SideShow Bob]

So, when MagPul pulls out, do they have plans to market Commirado approved products ? Or are they just going to tell us "tuff titty for you....."

And all this anti gun crap is zteknik's fault, told you all he should have been quarantined for 90 days before being allowed out in our State......[LOL]

[Great-Kazoo]

I have already had customers tell me they will not buy from us unless we move out of Colorado...and I quote.

"I'd rather have mediocre gear from a company in a free state than the best stuff from a company in a commie state."

Wyo PO box.

It's a shame, as you do not skimp when it comes to quality. Then again the D's still believe magpul is "Bluffing"

[zteknik]

So, when MagPul pulls out, do they have plans to market Commirado approved products ? Or are they just going to tell us "tuff titty for you....."

And all this anti gun crap is zteknik's fault, told you all he should have been quarantined for 90 days before being allowed out in our State......[LOL]
But but,I thoroughly decontaminated myself during my debreifing period...[gohome]

[King]

So, when MagPul pulls out, do they have plans to market Commirado approved products ? Or are they just going to tell us "tuff titty for you....."

And all this anti gun crap is zteknik's fault, told you all he should have been quarantined for 90 days before being allowed out in our State......[LOL]

Not sure if they will have 15 rounders but they will have 10 round PMAGs
http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG559/PMAG

[Teufelhund]

Not sure if they will have 15 rounders but they will have 10 round PMAGs
http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG559/PMAG

One of the Republican Senators demonstrated exactly how that 10-round pmag is illegal under the new law. It can be readily converted to hold more that 15 rounds with an extender.

All of your mags, for all your semi-auto firearms, are illegal, fellas. You can't transfer any of them, so when you die your guns which use mags become paperweights. This is a defacto gun ban, within one generation.

[KS63]

One of the Republican Senators demonstrated exactly how that 10-round pmag is illegal under the new law. It can be readily converted to hold more that 15 rounds with an extender.

All of your mags, for all your semi-auto firearms, are illegal, fellas. You can't transfer any of them, so when you die your guns which use mags become paperweights. This is a defacto gun ban, within one generation.
We can't even have friends or family shoot our firearms because we would be losing possession of said magazine. Totally retarded.

[Big E3]

Everybody needs to just treat all mags under 15 rounds as legal and stop acting like they "could" be illegal. If everyone treats all mags as illegal then that becomes the norm. If everyone with 15 and less rounds treats them as legal then that becomes the norm. When we throw in the towel and say all my mags are illegal they win. I say hold them to the intent of the law that 15 or less is legal unless you have converted it to hold more. That's like saying my AR15 is illegal because I have a machine shop and it could be converted to full auto.

[Ronin13]

Everybody needs to just treat all mags under 15 rounds as legal and stop acting like they "could" be illegal. If everyone treats all mags as illegal then that becomes the norm. If everyone with 15 and less rounds treats them as legal then that becomes the norm. When we throw in the towel and say all my mags are illegal they win. I say hold them to the intent of the law that 15 or less is legal unless you have converted it to hold more. That's like saying my AR15 is illegal because I have a machine shop and it could be converted to full auto.
THIS!
I keep seeing all this doom and gloom talk of "ANY magazine can be converted, no matter what..." No, not really. But thanks for playing. I'm pretty sure if it is more than 15 rounds then that's what will be gone from the shelves, nothing more.

[SideShow Bob]

And , just exactly where are supposed to get these 15 round magazi es for an AR or AK ?
This "hi cap mag ban" is basically a de facto 10 round limit. I have yet to see any manufacturer offering a 15 round magazine.
So after this becomes law, any AR or AK purchased will have a 10 round magazine come with it. Anyone that buys a new rifle when this is law is S.O.L. Unless they stocked up on 20 and 30 round mags before they even own a firearm to use them in.

[kidicarus13]

Everybody needs to just treat all mags under 15 rounds as legal and stop acting like they "could" be illegal. If everyone treats all mags as illegal then that becomes the norm. If everyone with 15 and less rounds treats them as legal then that becomes the norm. When we throw in the towel and say all my mags are illegal they win. I say hold them to the intent of the law that 15 or less is legal unless you have converted it to hold more. That's like saying my AR15 is illegal because I have a machine shop and it could be converted to full auto.

Agreed. A lot of people afraid of a lot of things.

[Dave]

And , just exactly where are supposed to get these 15 round magazi es for an AR or AK ?
This "hi cap mag ban" is basically a de facto 10 round limit. I have yet to see any manufacturer offering a 15 round magazine.
So after this becomes law, any AR or AK purchased will have a 10 round magazine come with it. Anyone that buys a new rifle when this is law is S.O.L. Unless they stocked up on 20 and 30 round mags before they even own a firearm to use them in.

I picked up a few .308 pmags even though I don't own an AR-10 just in case I get one down the road.

[Teufelhund]

Everybody needs to just treat all mags under 15 rounds as legal and stop acting like they "could" be illegal. If everyone treats all mags as illegal then that becomes the norm. If everyone with 15 and less rounds treats them as legal then that becomes the norm. When we throw in the towel and say all my mags are illegal they win. I say hold them to the intent of the law that 15 or less is legal unless you have converted it to hold more. That's like saying my AR15 is illegal because I have a machine shop and it could be converted to full auto.

Pretending it doesn't apply to magazines smaller than 15-rounds doesn't necessarily make it so. Interpret the law as you please I guess. This is what it says (http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2013a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont3/7E6713B015E62E6F87257B0100813CB5?open&file=1224sjud_01.pdf):


10 (2) (a) "LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE MEANS:
11 (I) A FIXED OR DETACHABLE MAGAZINE, BOX, DRUM, FEED STRIP,
12 OR SIMILAR DEVICE CAPABLE OF ACCEPTING, OR THAT IS DESIGNED TO BE
13 READILY CONVERTED TO ACCEPT, MORE THAN FIFTEEN ROUNDS OF
14 AMMUNITION;

......

13 18-12-302. Large-capacity magazines prohibited - penalties -
14 exceptions. (1) (a) EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE PROVIDED IN THIS SECTION, ON
15 AND AFTER JULY 1,2013, A PERSON WHO SELLS, TRANSFERS, OR POSSESSES
16 A LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE COMMITS A CLASS 2 MISDEMEANOR.

[osok-308]

I hope that everyone here will continue to fight this BS bill, however just in case, I have also stocked up on some mags of the guns that I want to have eventually, if anyone says that I didn't have it before the ban, the burden of proof rests on them and they can eat a bag of d*cks.

[Ronin13]

Pretending it doesn't apply to magazines smaller than 15-rounds doesn't necessarily make it so. Interpret the law as you please I guess. This is what it says (http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2013a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont3/7E6713B015E62E6F87257B0100813CB5?open&file=1224sjud_01.pdf):
Actually... with the wishy washy, slippery slope language, you can argue both sides:
"CAPABLE OF ACCEPTING, OR THAT IS DESIGNED TO BE
13 READILY CONVERTED TO ACCEPT"
I see that as any magazine that readily, by manufacturer, accepts 15 rounds (IE: Your standard Glock 22 .40S&W Magazine that comes standard holding 15 rounds STOCK)... it wasn't "designed" to be "converted" to accept any more, but that option is available via an extender. It was "designed" to hold 15 rounds, no more... if it had been designed to be converted, they wouldn't have put the small holes in the back of the magazine that show the round count. JMHO...

[Teufelhund]

Actually... with the wishy washy, slippery slope language, you can argue both sides:
"CAPABLE OF ACCEPTING, OR THAT IS DESIGNED TO BE
13 READILY CONVERTED TO ACCEPT"
I see that as any magazine that readily, by manufacturer, accepts 15 rounds (IE: Your standard Glock 22 .40S&W Magazine that comes standard holding 15 rounds STOCK)... it wasn't "designed" to be "converted" to accept any more, but that option is available via an extender. It was "designed" to hold 15 rounds, no more... if it had been designed to be converted, they wouldn't have put the small holes in the back of the magazine that show the round count. JMHO...

I agree it's hard to know for sure. The language demonstrates the ignorance of the authors. It really comes down to whether or not "designed to be converted" means "has a removable baseplate."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dW-DzOLKEFU&list=UU_ssZI9cj1icHouIBgwW1ig

[Ronin13]

I agree it's hard to know for sure. The language demonstrates the ignorance of the authors. It really comes down to whether or not "designed to be converted" means "has a removable baseplate."
See again, that's awful presumptuous on behalf of the CO Dems... Just because the baseplate is removable doesn't mean it was designed to be converted. What about maintenance and cleaning? Really hard to replace a magazine spring unless the baseplate is removable. You have to look at this objectively. I know it can be enforced "This has a baseplate, therefore is was designed to be converted to hold extra rounds." Not exactly, it was designed to be disassembled, that's all that means.

[KestrelBike]

I have already had customers tell me they will not buy from us unless we move out of Colorado...and I quote.

"I'd rather have mediocre gear from a company in a free state than the best stuff from a company in a commie state."

That's.... Doing nothing but hurting the small-business firearms company. That sucks.

[Big E3]

I would think that if I am in court accused of having a mag "THAT IS DESIGNED TO BE READILY CONVERTED TO ACCEPT, MORE THAN FIFTEEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION" and it has not been converted, just not that concerned. Think about all the people concerned with having a Glock 19 mag that holds 15 rounds. I do not believe just because you can convert it, does not mean "readily". I would be happy to hand the juror of there choice a Glock 19 mag and a plus two base plate and tell them to have at it. I would think most any juror with that task, probably looks a lot like a monkey f#<king a football. Hope they brought at least one tool.