View Full Version : Dr. Carson hints a White House run, exciting conservatives
SuperiorDG
03-16-2013, 14:27
I'd vote for him.
Dr. Ben Carson -- who during his speech at this year’s National Prayer Breakfast criticized some of President Obama’s economic policies -- hinted Saturday that he might be interested in a 2016 presidential run.
Speaking at the 2013 Conservative Political Action Conference, Carson resumed his sharp critique of Washington and the rest of the United States, which included his vision on how to fix the country’s problems.
“Let's say you magically put me in the White House,” Carson, a Johns Hopkins pediatric neurosurgeon, said to a loud applause.
The remark was a bit unexpected, considering Carson has said his prayer breakfast speech -- critical of higher taxes and Obama’s new health-care law -- was to “serve God” and was not political.
However, Carson has since become so popular among conservatives that his name is on the ballot for CPAC’s straw poll for a 2016 presidential candidate.
The 62-year-old Carson, whose prayer breakfast remarks were within earshot of Obama, said Saturday he is retiring from surgery within roughly the next three to four months. He said his immediate focus will be on “educating the next generation," then “once we get that taken care of who knows.”
Carson, raised in poverty, returned to his concerns including the decline of education in America, Washington overspending and the importance of God in American life.
“We continue to spend ourselves into oblivion,” said Carson, adding the country’s younger generations have become “uniformed” and “ignorant.”
Carson also seemed to imply Obama’s agenda is destroying the country.
He said if somebody was in the White House and “wanted to destroy this nation,” then “that person might create division among the people … undermine the financial stability of the country … weaken the military ... .Coincidentally, those are the very things that are happening right now.”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/16/dr-carson-hints-white-house-run-exciting-conservatives/#ixzz2Njj7uj00
I saw some of his speech from CPAC... really well said! I'd vote for him for sure!
I'd like to see former Congressman Col. Allen West run. Don't know much about him, just seen a couple of his speeches and he seemed like a good prospect. Anybody know more about him?
hurley842002
03-16-2013, 15:07
I'd like to see former Congressman Allen West run. Don't know much about him, just seen a couple of his speeches and he seemed like a good prospect. Anybody know more about him?
This ^^ I've seen quite a few of his speeches, and follow him on Facebook. I'd vote for him in a heartbeat.
Zundfolge
03-16-2013, 15:13
I liked him a lot until he opened his mouth and started spouting off about how people in cities shouldn't be allowed to own semi-automatic firearms.
Another statist that just happens to be correct about fiscal policy, that is all.
I liked him a lot until he opened his mouth and started spouting off about how people in cities shouldn't be allowed to own semi-automatic firearms.
Another statist that just happens to be correct about fiscal policy, that is all.
Really? West said that?
Rooskibar03
03-16-2013, 15:48
He's a black conservative. Give it a few more weeks and some new dirt on his background will all of a sudden hit the front page.
whoa, lets slow down the train here folks. we want a guy in office due to a few speeches? sounds like liberal talk to me.
whoa, lets slow down the train here folks. we want a guy in office due to a few speeches? sounds like liberal talk to me.
Never said that. West just sounds like someone viable, would like to know more about him. Like why he lost his re-election campaign, and other details. I'm much more interested in a conservative retired Army Colonel who seems to be very patriotic and Constitution-oriented than the socialist in charge now or any of the Socialists lined up behind him.
im talking about carson, who the OP started the thread about.
im talking about carson, who the OP started the thread about.
Ah, ok....never mind. Never heard of this Dr. Carson before now. But we need SOMEONE worth backing, but who?
Zundfolge
03-16-2013, 18:09
Really? West said that?
God no, not West, but Dr Carson.
Big John
11-08-2014, 19:44
I ran across this today and had never heard anything about it. Looking at the dates on this thread, it's old news. It still has great value IMO. I refuse to vote for anyone with this mindset.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1wQrVNmo80
SuperiorDG
11-08-2014, 20:08
I ran across this today and had never heard anything about it. Looking at the dates on this thread, it's old news. It still has great value IMO. I refuse to vote for anyone with this mindset.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1wQrVNmo80
Yea, that's pretty messed up.
clublights
11-08-2014, 20:13
West will never get thru the national press...
His War record will be used against him
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/12/12/sprj.nirq.west.ruling/
America is not ready for a brain surgeon in the White House. [ROFL3]
America is not ready for a brain surgeon in the White House. [ROFL3]
Yah, we already have a rocket surgeon. :)
Carson is a no-go for me.
I do like Col. West though.
Community activist and law professor. We've had plenty of those. I know which profession out of the three I find to be more useful.
West will never get thru the national press...
His War record will be used against him
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/12/12/sprj.nirq.west.ruling/
Makes me like him more.
West said he also threatened to kill Hamoody. Military prosecutors say West followed up on that threat by taking the suspect outside, put him on the ground near a weapons clearing barrel and fired his 9 mm pistol into the barrel. Apparently not knowing where West's gun was aimed, Hamoody cracked and gave information about the planned ambush on West's convoy, thwarting the attack.
West said there were no further ambushes on U.S. forces in Taji until he was relieved of his leadership post on October 4.
Yah, we already have a rocket surgeon. :)
Carson is a no-go for me.
I do like Col. West though.
Well, we don't know who the choices will be, but if it is Ben Carson (R) vs Hillary Rodham (D) vs Gary Johnson (L), it will be an easy choice for me.
Who ever will the Greens run in 2016, and more importantly, WHO CARES [LOL]
hurley842002
11-08-2014, 22:17
Well, we don't know who the choices will be, but if it is Ben Carson (R) vs Hillary Rodham (D) vs Gary Johnson (L), it will be an easy choice for me.
Gary Johnson because your heart tells you to?
I liked Carson until the semi-autos thing came up. There is no perfect candidate, but I think there are better to choose from with a mindset like that on firearms.
clublights
11-08-2014, 23:29
Makes me like him more.
Me too but the bleeding heart media will tear him apart over it .
Gary Johnson because your heart tells you to?
[hahhah-no]
Big John
11-09-2014, 05:37
If this is what he'll say in an interview with Beck, I'm skeered to even think of his private thoughts of disarming the populace.
Bailey Guns
11-09-2014, 07:36
Any president has to have a bill to sign before it becomes law. I really doubt a republican congress is going to send an anti-gun bill to the white house. I'll predict zero gun control bills will come up as long as the republicans hold both houses of congress. There's too much important stuff to worry about.
Carson's got a long way to go to get nominated and there will be plenty of others to choose from.
Well, we don't know who the choices will be, but if it is Ben Carson (R) vs Hillary Rodham (D) vs Gary Johnson (L), it will be an easy choice for me.
Who ever will the Greens run in 2016, and more importantly, WHO CARES [LOL]
Yeah, after reflection I spoke too soon.
Big John
11-09-2014, 07:54
Any president has to have a bill to sign before it becomes law. .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8En1zxhaDE
Any president has to have a bill to sign before it becomes law. I really doubt a republican congress is going to send an anti-gun bill to the white house. I'll predict zero gun control bills will come up as long as the republicans hold both houses of congress. There's too much important stuff to worry about.
Carson's got a long way to go to get nominated and there will be plenty of others to choose from.
True, but what about pro gun bills. How about a reversal of the tide. Eliminate the machine gun ban, make suppressors over the counter items, short barreled rifles no long need a tax stamp, being allowed to buy any gun in any state (no need for being in your state of residence/surrounding state), national CCW with national laws, the list goes on. We need somebody that will sign off on this stuff!
I'm with you that there are lots more to choose from, now is the time to be picky, not when the individual has already been picked and now folks go for the alternative that has no chance on winning.
And this isn't directed at you, just adding to my thoughts:
why is it we get comfortable with the new laws placed upon us, we need to take advantage if we have control. That's what the dems do. I want to see bloomberg blow every cent he has fighting this stuff only to lose his empire and die homeless.
Bailey Guns
11-09-2014, 08:09
Well, they can send any bill they like to Obama but he still has veto authority and the republican majorities are not veto-proof. And, yes, he may issue executive orders...but that has nothing to do with republicans controlling congress. And, executive orders aren't really law...though they may have the weight of law. Congress can pass new laws to get around or overturn an EO but then the president still has veto powers. A vicious circle.
I wouldn't hold my breath on much of the NFA getting overturned by anyone, regardless of how much you or I would like that to happen. But it's possible something like "nationwide concealed carry" might be passed...stuff like that isn't out of the realm of possibility.
Big John
11-09-2014, 10:30
True, but what about pro gun bills. How about a reversal of the tide. Eliminate the machine gun ban, make suppressors over the counter items, short barreled rifles no long need a tax stamp, being allowed to buy any gun in any state (no need for being in your state of residence/surrounding state), national CCW with national laws, the list goes on. We need somebody that will sign off on this stuff!
I'm with you that there are lots more to choose from, now is the time to be picky, not when the individual has already been picked and now folks go for the alternative that has no chance on winning.
And this isn't directed at you, just adding to my thoughts:
why is it we get comfortable with the new laws placed upon us, we need to take advantage if we have control. That's what the dems do. I want to see bloomberg blow every cent he has fighting this stuff only to lose his empire and die homeless.Sniper7 for POTUS 2016[Alrigh]
BushMasterBoy
11-09-2014, 11:43
If BushMasterBoy was president there would be a lot more pregnant women...I would put Americans back to work!
hurley842002
11-09-2014, 13:18
But it's possible something like "nationwide concealed carry" might be passed...stuff like that isn't out of the realm of possibility.
Out of any "pro 2a" push, this is my biggest hope. The here and now right to self defense is a huge priority. When my wife visits her family in CA, with my two son's, she needs that right, just as much (or more) than she needs it here. Preferably it would be in the form of 100% reciprocity, and not a national permit, you know, like how a drivers license works.
Singlestack
11-10-2014, 09:37
I was stunned to hear Carson say that. It was especially jarring since he is such a smart and thoughtful person on virtually every other topic. I was thinking "so what happens if a semi-auto gun owner moves to a city - surrender guns?" and "how do you determine the boundaries of where each law applies - city limits? county?" Just clearly a lack of any serious thought, which shocked me.
ChunkyMonkey
11-10-2014, 09:42
I was stunned to hear Carson say that. It was especially jarring since he is such a smart and thoughtful person on virtually every other topic. I was thinking "so what happens if a semi-auto gun owner moves to a city - surrender guns?" and "how do you determine the boundaries of where each law applies - city limits? county?" Just clearly a lack of any serious thought, which shocked me.
Smart but uninformed. While I don't see him as president, hopefully he can educate himself on firearms and the 2a. There are few appointed positions I can see him fitting well.
Zundfolge
11-10-2014, 10:28
If Dr Carson is the candidate in 2016 I'll vote for him because the first and most important thing is to wrest control of the Fed.Gov from Demonrats.
That said, I'm hoping that he's teachable because in most other regards I think he's a fine man and would make a decent president. Although I'd rather see him as Surgeon General under someone like a President Cruz or President Paul (or if we're dreamin' a President West).
KestrelBike
11-10-2014, 10:29
Smart but uninformed. While I don't see him as president, hopefully he can educate himself on firearms and the 2a. There are few appointed positions I can see him fitting well.
Exactly. I think he just hasn't been educated on guns and the evils of gun control yet. In fact, it's early enough that COAR could write a letter to Dr. Carson asking him his position on guns while giving him facts. I bet you'd get a response, perhaps even a personal one.
ChunkyMonkey
11-10-2014, 12:34
Exactly. I think he just hasn't been educated on guns and the evils of gun control yet. In fact, it's early enough that COAR could write a letter to Dr. Carson asking him his position on guns while giving him facts. I bet you'd get a response, perhaps even a personal one.
He is an active seventh day Adventist which is mostly educated liberal/center. Bet he hasn't exposed himself to rural / gun owner crowd.
Most 7th day Adventists are democrats
Who live their life conservatively. I grew up as one. It's crazy stupid.
Big John
11-10-2014, 17:17
If Dr Carson is the candidate in 2016 I'll vote for him because the first and most important thing is to wrest control of the Fed.Gov from Demonrats.
That said, I'm hoping that he's teachable because in most other regards I think he's a fine man and would make a decent president. Although I'd rather see him as Surgeon General under someone like a President Cruz or President Paul (or if we're dreamin' a President West).He is most certainly educated enough to know exactly what he said. Without the 2A the rest are history. Therefore, I for one will not vote for a person that needs to be taught.
KestrelBike
11-10-2014, 17:39
He is most certainly educated enough to know exactly what he said. Without the 2A the rest are history. Therefore, I for one will not vote for a person that needs to be taught.
So you would not vote for ChunkyMonkey?
dirtrulz
11-12-2014, 09:32
He is an active seventh day Adventist which is mostly educated liberal/center. Bet he hasn't exposed himself to rural / gun owner crowd.
Most 7th day Adventists are democrats
Who live their life conservatively. I grew up as one. It's crazy stupid.
I was raised seventh day adventist and in our area they were definitely not democrats. Its like anything else. it depends on what area you live in. in a rural farming area people like guns. In the cities not so much.
I dont see him being a good presidential candidate. Sure is is a nice guy with some good ideas but the presidents job is much larger than that. What would his foreign policy be? He has even less experience than the joker we have in their now. I could see him being a good adviser or something but not president.
speedysst
11-12-2014, 09:56
Again, I have to shake my head in exasperation.
Therefore, I for one will not vote for a person that needs to be taught.
Not real sure about Dr. Ben, he did say he doesn't see a use for semi auto guns for citizens.
KestrelBike
11-12-2014, 13:24
To muddy the waters a bit: http://www.armedlutheran.us/ben-carson-second-amendment/
Dr. Carson is the kind of person who would be a VP. He could cause havoc for the Ds in that capacity.
ZERO THEORY
11-12-2014, 14:02
More interested in Trey Gowdy.
Big John
11-12-2014, 14:09
Again, I have to shake my head in exasperation.I'm confused??? Carson has made it crystal clear about his feelings on semi auto's. He is smart enough to know what his words on this subject mean.
I'm honestly looking for education here, not confrontation. Why would I even entertain the thought of putting this guy in the White House when he's obviously anti 2A?
68Charger
11-12-2014, 14:27
If Dr Carson is the candidate in 2016 I'll vote for him because the first and most important thing is to wrest control of the Fed.Gov from Demonrats.
That said, I'm hoping that he's teachable because in most other regards I think he's a fine man and would make a decent president. Although I'd rather see him as Surgeon General under someone like a President Cruz or President Paul (or if we're dreamin' a President West).
^^^ This, I don't think there will be a better choice on the ballot... from the D's it'll be another socialist, and the 3rd party (if any) has no chance, unfortunately.
Anyone entertain the idea that he was advised or otherwise scripted that answer to try to appear more reasonable to both sides (basically trying not to choose a side)?
He's intelligent enough (and has had some lessons) that EVERYTHING he says is watched right now... so he's being deliberate and careful about what he says.
I have no idea if that's the case- just postulating a theory.
I will say that his 2A stance has been.... evolving- he admitted he once believed in registration, but now he's with 2A supporters that registration leads to confiscation- so he changed his mind after research. I think it's entirely possible he's trying to appear reasonable- you'd have to know the left would love to get a sound byte of him that they can use to point out that he's not in favor of "gun safety".
SuperiorDG
11-12-2014, 14:28
I'm confused??? Carson has made it crystal clear about his feelings on semi auto's. He is smart enough to know what his words on this subject mean.
I'm honestly looking for education here, not confrontation. Why would I even entertain the thought of putting this guy in the White House when he's obviously anti 2A?
I'm with you on this now. That was one of the dumbest thing I've heard a Republican say. Sorry I'm looking you in the eyes right now.
speedysst
11-12-2014, 14:31
I may be considered a heretic to some 2A hardcore people but the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. His feelings about the 2A may never even translate into action because there are bigger things to worry about yet he still gets the ire of 2A fanatics. So guess who we'll get. That's right: Hillary Clinton. So when you decide to throw your vote in for the most obscure party candidate simply because his or her stance on the 2A falls perfectly in line with yours, you'll end up with the someone who is outright anti gun and then you'll wonder how the hell that happened.
I'm confused??? Carson has made it crystal clear about his feelings on semi auto's. He is smart enough to know what his words on this subject mean.
I'm honestly looking for education here, not confrontation. Why would I even entertain the thought of putting this guy in the White House when he's obviously anti 2A?
Big John
11-12-2014, 17:41
I may be considered a heretic to some 2A hardcore people but the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. His feelings about the 2A may never even translate into action because there are bigger things to worry about yet he still gets the ire of 2A fanatics. So guess who we'll get. That's right: Hillary Clinton. So when you decide to throw your vote in for the most obscure party candidate simply because his or her stance on the 2A falls perfectly in line with yours, you'll end up with the someone who is outright anti gun and then you'll wonder how the hell that happened.I truly believe that the 2A protects the rest.
Big John
11-12-2014, 17:43
Sorry I'm looking you in the eyes right now.I've got a much better one that I want to use, but the forum won't let me use a GIF. Maybe that will change when I get off probation. If so, you boys will actually look forward to me posting.
Zundfolge
11-12-2014, 17:44
I may be considered a heretic to some 2A hardcore people but the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. His feelings about the 2A may never even translate into action because there are bigger things to worry about yet he still gets the ire of 2A fanatics. So guess who we'll get. That's right: Hillary Clinton. So when you decide to throw your vote in for the most obscure party candidate simply because his or her stance on the 2A falls perfectly in line with yours, you'll end up with the someone who is outright anti gun and then you'll wonder how the hell that happened.
If our 2A rights are not secure, none of our rights are.
That said, I agree that if it comes down to it stopping the Demonrats is more important than getting a perfect conservative Republican in office.
Like I said before, if he ends up being the nominee I'll vote for him, but I'm less likely to support him in the primaries if he doesn't change his position on the 2A.
Great-Kazoo
11-12-2014, 18:47
I may be considered a heretic to some 2A hardcore people but the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. His feelings about the 2A may never even translate into action because there are bigger things to worry about yet he still gets the ire of 2A fanatics. So guess who we'll get. That's right: Hillary Clinton. So when you decide to throw your vote in for the most obscure party candidate simply because his or her stance on the 2A falls perfectly in line with yours, you'll end up with the someone who is outright anti gun and then you'll wonder how the hell that happened.
IF he ran, i'd see how he did in the primaries. Right now he's on our do not support list. His 2A education / knowledge needs serious updating and research by him and his handlers.
The BIG question is (no matter who decides to run) Will the RNC platform be one of Moderation OR ABORTION AND GAY MARRIAGE NEED TO BE REPEALED. We (my family) doesn't want a Moderate, far from it. We also don't want someone who shoots them self in the foot condemning Gays in some off camera blurb.
68Charger
11-12-2014, 18:58
IF he ran, i'd see how he did in the primaries. Right now he's on our do not support list. His 2A education / knowledge needs serious updating and research by him and his handlers.
The BIG question is (no matter who decides to run) Will the RNC platform be one of Moderation OR ABORTION AND GAY MARRIAGE NEED TO BE REPEALED. We (my family) doesn't want a Moderate, far from it. We also don't want someone who shoots them self in the foot condemning Gays in some off camera blurb.
Well, Dr. Carson did that already... I chose this particular video because they're talking about what he did, then he drives a Demoncrat just nuts... watching him go waaaaay out in left field is kinda fun to watch...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUhh63r2tjo
He's a Doctor Jim,,, not a politician.
Firehaus
11-12-2014, 19:17
I can't wait to call everyone a racist for not wanting to vote for him.
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Great-Kazoo
11-12-2014, 20:20
He's a Doctor, Jim,,, not a politician.
FIFY, and good one [ROFL2]
I can't wait to call everyone a racist for not wanting to vote for him.
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Too late, the witch hunting white guilt members have done it for less. I'm afraid to say i don't like Chocolate Milk. But fuk the race baiters, you know who you are.
Great-Kazoo
11-12-2014, 20:21
Well, Dr. Carson did that already... I chose this particular video because they're talking about what he did, then he drives a Demoncrat just nuts... watching him go waaaaay out in left field is kinda fun to watch...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUhh63r2tjo
Have to watch other vids. Haven't followed the guy and more than likely not supporting him either.
resurrecting this.
Dr Ben doesn't seem to understand guns or the 2nd.
http://bearingarms.com/gentle-ben-carson-strikes-guns-self-defense/?utm_source=bafbp&utm_medium=fbpage&utm_campaign=baupdate
Jeffrey Lebowski
11-26-2014, 10:53
I just got a huge Ben magnet in the mail this week.
Even before the 2A thing, I had some concerns about his economic ideas. He is close, but there were 3-4 key points in his America the Beautiful book that I did not agree with. He is not from the "Chicago" or "Austrian school" of economics.
That's big for me. Not that I think we'll ever get a Friedman / Sowell type in the oval office, but I'd like to be closer.
Big John
11-27-2014, 07:38
resurrecting this.
Dr Ben doesn't seem to understand guns or the 2nd.
http://bearingarms.com/gentle-ben-carson-strikes-guns-self-defense/?utm_source=bafbp&utm_medium=fbpage&utm_campaign=baupdateGood info! I think this guy is trouble. I also think that the voting for him will simply be more white guilt in action. Trying to get it right after the epic failure we have now.
This very well may come down to voting for him only to not have democratic rule. I sure hope we can do better than that.
Bailey Guns
11-27-2014, 08:38
I suspect there will be some very viable conservatives in the 2016 republican field this year. Personally, I don't think Carson has much of a shot...but I could be totally wrong on that.
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