Ronin13
03-18-2013, 13:30
Okay, so this is not to argue with what Bailey said in another thread that party trumps person... that was OUR side. On the opposite (democrat) side, they need to put their resounding hate for the republican party in the backseat and listen to the logic.
From PJ Media, those wonderful folks who bring us the wonderful, wise words of Mr. Bill Whittle, I present this great article that shows from a poll that people (democrats mostly) back Republican ideas... until they hear that they're from the Republicans.
Shortly after the November election, I joked that maybe Republicans should all switch parties en masse just to confuse everybody. They media wouldn't know whom to attack, other Democrats wouldn't know whom to smear, and maybe the public would vote on ideas instead of party ID and other factors.Unexpectedly, a new Hill poll backs up the soundness of the old switcheroo (http://thehill.com/polls/288641-hill-poll-voters-prefer-gop-budget-ideas-but-dislike-republican-party-).
Respondents in The Hill Poll were asked to choose which of two approaches they would prefer on the budget, but the question’s phrasing included no cues as to which party advocated for which option.
Presented in that way, 55 percent of likely voters opted for a plan that would slash $5 trillion in government spending, provide for no additional tax revenue and balance the budget within 10 years — in essence, the path recommended by House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) last week.
This was almost twice as many voters as opted for a proposal that would include $1 trillion in added tax revenue as well as $100 billion in infrastructure spending, and which would reduce the deficit without eradicating it.
Only 28 percent of voters preferred this option, which reflects the proposal put forth by Senate Budget Committee Chairwoman Patty Murray (D-Wash.) last week.
So, Paul Ryan for the win? Eh, not really. The same poll found that once voters were told which party supported which idea, the voters pulled the old switcheroo and backed the Democrats.
A plurality of voters, 35 percent, said they trust the Democrats more on budgetary issues, while 30 percent said they trust the Republicans more. A full 34 percent said they trust neither party.
The poll’s finding badly undercuts President Obama’s repeated claim that the American people are on his side in the budget standoffs. They’re not. They’re not on the side of his tax hikes or his increased spending. They’re not on the side of increasing the welfare state. You can still get a majority of Americans to recognize economic reality, which is welcome news. But most voters are also not on the GOP’s side. As soon as they think they are on the GOP’s side, they run to the Democrats or declare themselves independent.
Read the rest of the article here. (http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/03/18/poll-majority-back-republican-ideas-until-they-hear-that-the-ideas-came-from-republicans/)
It's pretty interesting that most hate the GOP so much that they agree with the ideas as long as they didn't originate from the GOP... That is so fucked up. Honestly, if the Democrats were to present something half-way coherent and of sound logic that I could get behind, sure I'd support it, even if it did come from the Dems. But in the issues surround what's important to me, mostly taxes, economy and the second amendment, all the shit that they spew is just wrong and stupid.
From PJ Media, those wonderful folks who bring us the wonderful, wise words of Mr. Bill Whittle, I present this great article that shows from a poll that people (democrats mostly) back Republican ideas... until they hear that they're from the Republicans.
Shortly after the November election, I joked that maybe Republicans should all switch parties en masse just to confuse everybody. They media wouldn't know whom to attack, other Democrats wouldn't know whom to smear, and maybe the public would vote on ideas instead of party ID and other factors.Unexpectedly, a new Hill poll backs up the soundness of the old switcheroo (http://thehill.com/polls/288641-hill-poll-voters-prefer-gop-budget-ideas-but-dislike-republican-party-).
Respondents in The Hill Poll were asked to choose which of two approaches they would prefer on the budget, but the question’s phrasing included no cues as to which party advocated for which option.
Presented in that way, 55 percent of likely voters opted for a plan that would slash $5 trillion in government spending, provide for no additional tax revenue and balance the budget within 10 years — in essence, the path recommended by House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) last week.
This was almost twice as many voters as opted for a proposal that would include $1 trillion in added tax revenue as well as $100 billion in infrastructure spending, and which would reduce the deficit without eradicating it.
Only 28 percent of voters preferred this option, which reflects the proposal put forth by Senate Budget Committee Chairwoman Patty Murray (D-Wash.) last week.
So, Paul Ryan for the win? Eh, not really. The same poll found that once voters were told which party supported which idea, the voters pulled the old switcheroo and backed the Democrats.
A plurality of voters, 35 percent, said they trust the Democrats more on budgetary issues, while 30 percent said they trust the Republicans more. A full 34 percent said they trust neither party.
The poll’s finding badly undercuts President Obama’s repeated claim that the American people are on his side in the budget standoffs. They’re not. They’re not on the side of his tax hikes or his increased spending. They’re not on the side of increasing the welfare state. You can still get a majority of Americans to recognize economic reality, which is welcome news. But most voters are also not on the GOP’s side. As soon as they think they are on the GOP’s side, they run to the Democrats or declare themselves independent.
Read the rest of the article here. (http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/03/18/poll-majority-back-republican-ideas-until-they-hear-that-the-ideas-came-from-republicans/)
It's pretty interesting that most hate the GOP so much that they agree with the ideas as long as they didn't originate from the GOP... That is so fucked up. Honestly, if the Democrats were to present something half-way coherent and of sound logic that I could get behind, sure I'd support it, even if it did come from the Dems. But in the issues surround what's important to me, mostly taxes, economy and the second amendment, all the shit that they spew is just wrong and stupid.