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just in case you thought different. [hahhah-no]
http://www.koaa.com/news/governor-hickenlooper-to-sign-gun-control-bills/
DENVER (AP) - Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper will sign gun control measures Wednesday that pose limits on ammunition magazines and expand background checks for firearms.
A state government employee with knowledge of the situation confirmed the details to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity because a formal announcement has not been made.
The signings would be a victory for Democrats in the debate over gun control in this politically moderate state where gun ownership has been a treasured right.
The proposals were Democratic centerpieces in the party's package of gun legislation aimed at addressing mass shootings at a suburban Denver movie theater and Connecticut elementary school last year. The bills would become effective July 1.
Republicans reviled both bills and argued the proposals would not prevent more shootings, but hurt law-abiding citizens' exercise of their Second Amendment rights.
wARmachine15
03-18-2013, 17:50
I can't even come up with a reply that won't get me arrested.
I can't even come up with a reply that won't get me arrested.
thats why I just copy and pasted I surely would be banned at the least with my honest opinion...
well i guess that's that.
well i guess that's that.
Actually, it is just the begining...
Money talks, and with likely future promises to more power, the die is cast.
I've come to realize in the last couple weeks that KOAA is very anti-gun. "Internet sales" is mentioned in every gun story, and they brought up trusts and NFA items out of the blue about a week ago.
O2
twitchyfinger
03-18-2013, 17:57
Glad I looked before I posted guess im a criminal now and that's all I have to say about that!
I've come to realize in the last couple weeks that KOAA is very anti-gun. "Internet sales" is mentioned in every gun story, and they brought up trusts and NFA items out of the blue about a week ago.
O2
99% of the media is liberal trash.
Actually, it is just the begining...
How do you mean?
Recalls - Yeah, I get that. A bunch in process; great for revenge - But that won't overturn the law.
Repeals - almost impossible, even if the R's do get in power a few years from now.
CO Constitutional Amendment - also a very very high bar to *actually* get to happen.
Realistically, only possibility now is a court challenge; and as I've said throughout this process, no mag limit has ever been overturned. (Which is why a good number of states have them, and will continue to.)
Maybe something will come out of the NY SAFE challenges and their 7-round limit as "arbitrary" (because it is); and maybe there's a possible in with the "readily convertible" clause, pretty much making every mag illegal in Colorado - but as far as I know, if the state wants to make every mag illegal, there's nothing unconstitutional about that.
Heller? Maybe. Maybe. Is a magazine part of the 'arm'? It certainly isnt an 'arm' itself; so the right to a certain size, even if common use, may not apply under Heller since it's an "accessory", not a firearm.
I know it feels good to talk about upcoming elections and recalls -- but this law is a reality now, and it's highly unlikely that it's actually going anywhere any time soon.
battle_sight_zero
03-18-2013, 18:12
Glad I looked before I posted guess im a criminal now and that's all I have to say about that!
Why did anyone think he would not sign them? He is taking his marching orders from Bloomberg and Obama. When he signs I will be glad. His signing will show if our side has the resources and voting power to knock his party out of power through recall and voting. Personally I have prepared for the day when these commies would make their move. I hope this is the fuel we need to wake up the sleeping masses. If not I will pull out to a more gun friendly state. I will not be like our friends in California. Look at this way we have .3 months to get supplies and 18 months for the counter attack. My family has the 4th , 5 th and 6 generations of Colorado natives right now in this family ready to oust these bastards and out of state impostors. F them , f marijuana that brought the non voting drug zombies out. For those of you say were doomed if the fing pot heads can get legislation then why the hell can't we? If we give up we deserve what we have coming. Fight Damm it!
How do you mean?
The elite liberal left sees Colorado as a "start" to get gun control rolling nationwide, so they are just getting started. They will be back and with them, more gun control laws, less penalties for actual criminals and so on.
OTOH, this may be what some gun owners need to get them to see the Ds are not their friends and really have no-ones best interest at heart except their own political futures. The fight will continue, and most will be passive I know, but some who have never done anything got involved this time...and they did not like losing.
Great-Kazoo
03-18-2013, 18:15
Actually, it is just the begining...
How do you mean?
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I believe he meant it was just the beginning of another thread, about Hick signing the gun bills. Just in case anyone hasn't been keeping up with GD and this forum.[facepalm]
twitchyfinger
03-18-2013, 18:19
Why did anyone think he would not sign them? He is taking his marching orders from Bloomberg and Obama. When he signs I will be glad. His signing will show if our side has the resources and voting power to knock his party out of power through recall and voting. Personally I have prepared for day when these commies would make their move. I hope this is the fuel we need to wake up the sleeping masses. If not I will pull out to a more gun friendly state. I will not be like our friends in California. Look at this way we have .3 months to get supplies
Totally understandable I guess I was hoping against hope. I too have decided to stay and fight unil the bitter end! Born and raised here and realize its my duty to do my part to turn Colorado back into what it once was!
Is a magazine part of the 'arm'? It certainly isnt an 'arm' itself; so the right to a certain size, even if common use, may not apply under Heller since it's an "accessory", not a firearm.
A magazine is an accessory to a firearm in the same sense that the fire control group or ammunition is. In other words... it is not a fully FUNCTIONING firearm without those things. A magazine is not an "accessory" it is a "necessity" to have a fully functioning firearm.
Is a cylinder to a revolver just an accessory? Of course it isn't an arm itself... but you can't have a fully functioning firearm without it!
Great-Kazoo
03-18-2013, 18:26
Totally understandable I guess I was hoping against hope. I too have decided to stay and fight unil the bitter end! Born and raised here and realize its my duty to do my part to turn Colorado back into what it once was!
A land populated with mexicans & indians?
twitchyfinger
03-18-2013, 18:33
A land populated with mexicans & indians?
Rofl!! No not that far back just far enough to the conservative majority place in time.
Btw what about the cowboys Jim? ;)
A land populated with mexicans & indians?
Actually that would probably be the best time to live here anyway. :D
anaphylaxis
03-18-2013, 18:47
Actually, it is just the begining...
+1
Bans of new semi-autos, with a grandfather of existing ones. Then require registration of existing semi-autos ("...because we only want to know who has them.") Then another high profile shooting or two, then a mandatory turn in date.
twitchyfinger
03-18-2013, 19:08
Just released:
Think he won't be the only one either!
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22817663/weld-sheriffs-refusal-enforce-gun-rules-within-letter (http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22817663/weld-sheriffs-refusal-enforce-gun-rules-within-letter)
Well, I'd love to see Jeffco issue something like that... but i'm not pinning any hopes on that one.
twitchyfinger
03-18-2013, 19:27
Well, I'd love to see Jeffco issue something like that... but i'm not pinning any hopes on that one.
No kidding I'm keeping an eye out! I hope and think Sheriff Justin Smith is on the same page though he has not come forward yet which is also understandable with the fire and everything else on his plate right now.
A land populated with mexicans & indians?
Sweet, looks like I get to stay! See you guys! Get off my property!
Rucker61
03-18-2013, 20:02
Sweet, looks like I get to stay! See you guys! Get off my property!
no habla Ingles, senor.
Actually, it is just the begining...
Correct!! It is only the end if we lie down and accept it. Nobody I have seen on here or out there is going to do that.
twitchyfinger
03-18-2013, 20:48
Correct!! It is only the end if we lie down and accept it. Nobody I have seen on here or out there is going to do that.
Speaking of not lying down this Sheriff thinks we will see another revolution:
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=yQZpp7AdtV8&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DyQZpp7AdtV8
ghettoblaster
03-18-2013, 20:49
No surprises here, just more reason to recall every possible Dem. And, maybe in the future we can start putting into place laws that make this kinda thing HARDER TO DO. I'm tired of the NRA and all gun owning associations being reactionary. It's time we did something to move things back the other way, rather than just wait for crap to roll down hill and THEN start defending our rights.
lllRorlll
03-18-2013, 21:00
I hope he at some point he realizes, that this will not grant him the title of "progressive"... Reather ... Hopefully.. Treasonist
Just released:
Think he won't be the only one either!
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22817663/weld-sheriffs-refusal-enforce-gun-rules-within-letter (http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22817663/weld-sheriffs-refusal-enforce-gun-rules-within-letter)
State Sen. Morgan Carroll, D-Aurora, Senate sponsor of the universal background checks bill, said if a sheriff is unwilling or unable to fulfill the duties of the position, he should step down .
"They are putting politics above their job," Carroll said.
-If a representative is unwilling or unable to fulfill the duties of the position, SHE should step down.
-THEY are putting politics/ego/greed/emotion above their job.
hurley842002
03-18-2013, 21:23
Just released:
Think he won't be the only one either!
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22817663/weld-sheriffs-refusal-enforce-gun-rules-within-letter (http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22817663/weld-sheriffs-refusal-enforce-gun-rules-within-letter)
Okay, I try not to get too emotional on the forum, but this bit$% has got to go, are you freaking kidding me? Isn't this whole gun control thing "putting politics above their job"?
State Sen. Morgan Carroll, D-Aurora, Senate sponsor of the universal background checks bill, said if a sheriff is unwilling or unable to fulfill the duties of the position, he should step down .
"They are putting politics above their job," Carroll said.
Aardvark
03-18-2013, 21:25
ya, that was kinda funny how she made that statement, but yet she and the other liberal buttmunches are unwilling to fulfill their duties to uphold the constitution.
I talked to each and every mag I own tonight... I let them know they are important to me and will get just as much use as they would if this bull shit emotion based bull shit had not passed
battle_sight_zero
03-18-2013, 21:50
I talked to each and every mag I own tonight... I let them know they are important to me and will get just as much use as they would if this bull shit emotion based bull shit had not passed
[ROFL2]
twitchyfinger
03-18-2013, 22:07
I talked to each and every mag I own tonight... I let them know they are important to me and will get just as much use as they would if this bull shit emotion based bull shit had not passed
Aw damn I just spit chew all over my screen but thanks for the laugh DFB!!! [LOL]
Here is something interesting I just found. Not that I know anything about playing hard ball with the big boys but it looks as though a "big time" civil rights attorney is creating quite a buzz on FB and has his sights set on Colorado! Humm... this is going to get interesting to say the least!
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Great-Kazoo
03-18-2013, 22:53
Okay, I try not to get too emotional on the forum, but this bit$% has got to go, are you freaking kidding me? Isn't this whole gun control thing "putting politics above their job"?
State Sen. Morgan Carroll, D-Aurora, Senate sponsor of the universal background checks bill, said if a sheriff is unwilling or unable to fulfill the duties of the position, he should step down .
"They are putting politics above their job," Carroll said.
Late to the game. which is why a C&P
State Sen. Mary Hodge, D-Brighton, sponsor of the magazine limit bill in the Senate, said it is unfortunate some law enforcement officials "think they can pick and choose what laws to enforce."
Perhaps The legislature shoue reconsider the whole weed tax and legalization issue. AFTER ISN'T IT AGAINST FEDERAL LAW to recognize marijuana???
hurley842002
03-18-2013, 23:05
Late to the game. which is why a C&P
State Sen. Mary Hodge, D-Brighton, sponsor of the magazine limit bill in the Senate, said it is unfortunate some law enforcement officials "think they can pick and choose what laws to enforce."
Perhaps The legislature shoue reconsider the whole weed tax and legalization issue. AFTER ISN'T IT AGAINST FEDERAL LAW to recognize marijuana???
Nah not late to the game, just delayed in vocalizing it on the forum.
Walter.mitty
03-18-2013, 23:14
My property will go to my heirs not to the dump and sure as hell not to the State.
The day I see Colorado Compliant on a gun case I am going to puke.
Bloomberg's Bitch is really towing the party line.
Someone on a news comment thought he had aspirations of being in the bitch slot on a presidential ticket.
Which might be why he is torching Colorado for a political agenda.
twitchyfinger
03-18-2013, 23:17
Perhaps The legislature shoue reconsider the whole weed tax and legalization issue. AFTER ISN'T IT AGAINST FEDERAL LAW to recognize marijuana???
No frickin kidding! Once again it's a do as I say not as I do. Like they're making the rules as they go? Exactly who is making the laws these days, who's really in charge! It's everything I can do to keep my cool in the net here too Hurley!
<MADDOG>
03-18-2013, 23:34
All I gotta say guys is put your money/efforts where your mouth is; either now with the recall elections/petitions and/or in the next election cycle. Do everything within your individual power to make your voice heard, and really support those (especially our 2A sheriffs) who are defending our constitutional rights, and don't let these issues fade away 6,12, or 18 months from now...
AR-Tracker
03-18-2013, 23:52
The Sherriff can do as he pleases, the house and senate or governor has no say in what the sheriff ultimately decides.
They can block or decide not to enforce any of these ridiculous bills and if things ultimately got out of hand and constitutional rights were being violated by any new legislation or bills and the government tried to circumvent the sheriff to enforce the laws on the people, they then have the right to detain any federal official in order to protect the people under the articles of the constitution.
County Sherriff is the LAW!
Walter.mitty
03-18-2013, 23:52
On the election cycle, EVERYONE needs to ignore POLLS and JUST VOTE!
Election day. "My guy is ahead so I don't need to vote. My guy is getting skunked my vote won't make a difference."
Just VOTE. Polls tell us what people who are willing to answer POLLS THINK. They don't tell us what the country or state as a whole thinks.
Ignore the polls and vote. Take a friend or neighbor, carpool.
I guess the good news is that we will see Hippypooper take his bribe soon and get the **** out of Colorado!
I personally think there will be enough votes in 2014 to repeal at least the magazine ban through the ballot initiative as well as change the majorities in the legislature. The next Governor will need to be pro 2A to win Pueblo which is needed to win a state-wide election.
The next year and half is going to suck, but that should light a fire under our collective asses here in Colorado to actually come together and change this mess. There are 1.8 million gun owners in Colorado and the roughly 2.5 million people who vote in Colorado. Gun owners should be able to fundamentally change the outcome of the next election if we stick together.
I guess the good news is that we will see Hippypooper take his bribe soon and get the **** out of Colorado!
I personally think there will be enough votes in 2014 to repeal at least the magazine ban through the ballot initiative as well as change the majorities in the legislature. The next Governor will need to be pro 2A to win Pueblo which is needed to win a state-wide election.
The next year and half is going to suck, but that should light a fire under our collective asses here in Colorado to actually come together and change this mess. There are 1.8 million gun owners in Colorado and the roughly 2.5 million people who vote in Colorado. Gun owners should be able to fundamentally change the outcome of the next election if we stick together.
The bold part is the key! If we can unite everyone (fudd and all) under the 2nd ideals, and have all 1.8 actually show up and VOTE, we will have a resounding win. But you have too many ignorant little f*cks that don't care as long as their "doggone deer rifles" are safe, we need to help teach them that once the AR-15 goes, once the Glock 17 goes, so do your bolt guns, your cattle revolvers, and even your lever actions.
It's time we did something to move things back the other way, rather than just wait for crap to roll down hill and THEN start defending our rights.
Like showing up to vote? The conservative base fell asleep at the wheel and now we're reaping the benefits.
battle_sight_zero
03-19-2013, 13:13
I guess the good news is that we will see Hippypooper take his bribe soon and get the **** out of Colorado!
I personally think there will be enough votes in 2014 to repeal at least the magazine ban through the ballot initiative as well as change the majorities in the legislature. The next Governor will need to be pro 2A to win Pueblo which is needed to win a state-wide election.
The next year and half is going to suck, but that should light a fire under our collective asses here in Colorado to actually come together and change this mess. There are 1.8 million gun owners in Colorado and the roughly 2.5 million people who vote in Colorado. Gun owners should be able to fundamentally change the outcome of the next election if we stick together.
Good thoughts, this is what I want to believe will take place.
Zundfolge
03-19-2013, 15:12
I guess the good news is that we will see Hippypooper take his bribe soon and get the **** out of Colorado!
I'm originally from Kansas ... I left in part because the Governess was Kathleen Sebilius ... yes (Obama's HHS secretary and general Obamacare Czar). She screwed a lot of things up in Kansas (ending quality, affordable health insurance was just one of her many messes) and she took her bribe and got the *** out of Kansas.
Kansas is much better for it (they now have one of the most conservative governments in the country) but the rest of the country is screwed.
So if Hick goes to Washington he'll probably be more of a pain in our backsides (but if Colorado follows Kansas' model then Colorado is about to become a real nice place to live).
I'm originally from Kansas ... I left in part because the Governess was Kathleen Sebilius ... yes (Obama's HHS secretary and general Obamacare Czar). She screwed a lot of things up in Kansas (ending quality, affordable health insurance was just one of her many messes) and she took her bribe and got the *** out of Kansas.
Kansas is much better for it (they now have one of the most conservative governments in the country) but the rest of the country is screwed.
So if Hick goes to Washington he'll probably be more of a pain in our backsides (but if Colorado follows Kansas' model then Colorado is about to become a real nice place to live).
The night is darkness just before the dawn? I hope you're right. It's going to take a team effort from all of us, let's not exclude non-republicans just because we have beef with the current state government. I know of many democrats and independents who are just as upset about all of this mess, we just need to nicely win over those who are on the fence. (Assuming that there's anyone still on the fence of this issue.) If it's any comfort the overwhelming number of people in this state want the governor to veto these bills.
XC700116
03-19-2013, 18:05
Well, here's the petition to recall the a-hole
https://www.change.org/petitions/colorado-residents-who-support-our-rights-recall-john-hickenlooper?utm_campaign=action_box&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition#
It's just getting started, so spread it like wildfire.
Well, here's the petition to recall the a-hole
https://www.change.org/petitions/colorado-residents-who-support-our-rights-recall-john-hickenlooper?utm_campaign=action_box&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition#
It's just getting started, so spread it like wildfire.
Anyone know if there is an official recall for the governor yet? I'm not sure online petitioning is the same as the actual recall form.
ghettoblaster
03-19-2013, 20:53
Anyone know if there is an official recall for the governor yet? I'm not sure online petitioning is the same as the actual recall form.
can't say that I know of any, but I signed this anyway....
The night is darkness just before the dawn? I hope you're right. It's going to take a team effort from all of us, let's not exclude non-republicans just because we have beef with the current state government. I know of many democrats and independents who are just as upset about all of this mess, we just need to nicely win over those who are on the fence. (Assuming that there's anyone still on the fence of this issue.) If it's any comfort the overwhelming number of people in this state want the governor to veto these bills.
Seriously, Well put. We need every vote.
Jeffrey Lebowski
03-19-2013, 21:47
Anyone know if there is an official recall for the governor yet? I'm not sure online petitioning is the same as the actual recall form.
No doubt. Nor am I putting my email - even one meant for spam - on "change.org."
With the Feinstein bills going down in flames in national news, I wonder if Hick will reconsider his position. Or will Washington turn up the pressure even further to ram this one through on Colorado?
Hick already has a private jet scheduled for a dinner date in NYC.. too late to change his mind. The only controversy in his head will be "Shall I order my water with bubbles or no bubbles?".
Well, here's the petition to recall the a-hole
https://www.change.org/petitions/colorado-residents-who-support-our-rights-recall-john-hickenlooper?utm_campaign=action_box&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition#
It's just getting started, so spread it like wildfire.
I just signed this, and a new page popped up with more petitions, all about "yes" on gun control issues and gay rights, and seemed to be Democrat driven?
Hick already has a private jet scheduled for a dinner date in NYC.. too late to change his mind. The only controversy in his head will be "Shall I order my water with bubbles or no bubbles?".
No doubt Barry and Michelle already have a guest room ready for him and the Mrs.
With the Feinstein bills going down in flames in national news, I wonder if Hick will reconsider his position. Or will Washington turn up the pressure even further to ram this one through on Colorado?
Not a chance. To him, and those backing this, this is a chance for Colorado to be even more of a 'shining beacon on the hill" than NY was.
(Oh, and the thing about the 7rd limit being eliminated in NY that's being passed around: Nope. The assembly is CONSIDERING allowing new yorkers to purchase 10rd mags so long as they only load them to 7; since 7 round mags don't exist. Cuomo denies this has even been talked about. So MAYBE they'll revise it to 10 and still limit you to 7 -- you know, to stop crime. They're trying to waterproof the bill before the possible injunction.)
bigshane
03-19-2013, 23:26
wasn't change.org originally developed to add to the change.gov proposals for O's policies?
Edited to add: not exactly as I remembered. Source. (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/11/changeorg-crowd/)
losttrail
03-20-2013, 04:56
I have tried calling Hickenlooper's office for the past 3 days. Timing must be off since I get busy signal every time. Tried at least 20 times each day.
I have tried calling Hickenlooper's office for the past 3 days. Timing must be off since I get busy signal every time. Tried at least 20 times each day.
Why, it's all the people calling to support the bills! Don'tcha know. [facepalm]
daplague
03-20-2013, 09:22
From a dpo tweet this morning:
Gov. Hickenlooper is signing the #GunControl bills now as planned. Pool cameras just went into his office. #COleg #COpolitics #9NEWS
dwalker460
03-20-2013, 09:26
I will not abide... any of them
I will not abide... any of them
You and everyone else. Looks like we will need mor jails and prison. Or we could just put razor wire around our state since a vast majority of us will be "criminals"
daplague
03-20-2013, 09:31
http://www.9news.com/news/article/325096/339/Landmark-gun-bills-signed-in-Colo?odyssey=tab|topnews|bc|large
It's official.
crashdown
03-20-2013, 09:32
Anybody know the statewide support for this?
I have heard only 25-33% of Colorado support the gun legislation in it's current proposed form.
You and everyone else. Looks like we will need mor jails and prison. Or we could just put razor wire around our state since a vast majority of us will be "criminals"
Razor wire around the state isn't a bad idea. Once we kick these morons out of office and put 2nd Amendment friendly bills the razor wire can help keep the Californians out.
robertcolorado2009
03-20-2013, 09:37
Good Bye Magpul, we tried and tried and tried, so did you, we all did.....
sellersm
03-20-2013, 09:38
Razor wire around the state isn't a bad idea. Once we kick these morons out of office and put 2nd Amendment friendly bills the razor wire can help keep the Californians out.
Not a bad idea! [LOL] [Coffee]
It's recall time! If we can recall him as Governor, it ruins him nationally.
Does anybody know if a court case to challenge 1224 is in the works?
ChuckNorris
03-20-2013, 09:57
Vote all of their asses out!
It's recall time! If we can recall him as Governor, it ruins him nationally.
Does anybody know if a court case to challenge 1224 is in the works?
It's been stated before CO303, recall could end up making him a martyr or bolstering him and his support... Best bet is what MED said- court, get them overturned in the CO Supreme Court, which I think is the most surefire way to set precedence.
newracer
03-20-2013, 10:21
It's done.
I WILL NOT COMPLY!
It's been stated before CO303, recall could end up making him a martyr or bolstering him and his support... Best bet is what MED said- court, get them overturned in the CO Supreme Court, which I think is the most surefire way to set precedence.
It would actually be filled in federal court based on Heller common use and a state barrier to interstate commerce. Also, filing in Colorado is a waste of time; the Colorado Supreme Court is far more left then the legislature.
I don't think any magazine ban especially the way 1124 is worded would stand up using Heller: This is a good read... http://hlpronline.com/2010/04/johnson_commonuse/
I'll be looking for someone to swap a magazine with on July 1, 2013. I can swap a 30 AK for a 30 AK, 18 P226 for 18 P226, AR for AR, you get the idea. Might as well get it over with.
Peter Boyles and Jon Caldara will be doing a magazine swap on July 2, 2013 somewhere in Denver.
ghettodub
03-20-2013, 10:45
This is funny. On the Denver Post's Facebook page, they updated their cover photo to Hick signing the bills, but they left the pictures available for people to "tag" them.
Check out the photo captions...
2409324095
:) They thought people were hot before, they ain't seen nuttin' yet.
muddywings
03-20-2013, 10:53
Anybody want to pitch in and hire a juggling act?
I'm thinking two clowns. One is juggling AR 30 round PMAGs the other some good old fashion AK47 mags. Then, as they are juggling three at a time they pass them back and forth through the air.
(I laugh at the imagery, but really I cry inside)
Anybody want to pitch in and hire a juggling act?
I'm thinking two clowns. One is juggling AR 30 round PMAGs the other some good old fashion AK47 mags. Then, as there are juggling three at a time they pass them back and forth through the air.
(I laugh at the imagery, but really I cry inside)
Great minds think alike - I was thinking about this very same thing - Boyles could set it up for July 2, 2013.
Geology Rocks
03-20-2013, 11:08
Yup. Screw him and all stupid politicians.
Rucker61
03-20-2013, 11:09
Any idea of the effect of a governors signing statement on the enforcement of the laws? I saw a tweet saying that Hick would address the shortcomings of 1224 and 1229 with regards to transfers and removeable baseplates in a signing statement, but I haven't seen the text of the statement.
Any idea of the effect of a governors signing statement on the enforcement of the laws? I saw a tweet saying that Hick would address the shortcomings of 1224 and 1229 with regards to transfers and removeable baseplates in a signing statement, but I haven't seen the text of the statement.
My guess is he will state that removable floor plates do not constitute readily convertible despite that being exactly what they are. This probably is an attempt to head off legal challenges that this bill bans firearms in common use which is protected by the Heller decision. Also said he wants the bills to be narrowly interpreted because we all know to trust our government to not broadly interpret laws.
NightCat
03-20-2013, 11:19
I seriously think this idiot cant read, or just neglected to read the letter from Magpul's Lawyer. As seen here >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/uqum7rzdzwi7vgh/1224%20veto%20%282%29.pdf
Which addressed numerous issues with the bill
muddywings
03-20-2013, 11:32
My guess is he will state that removable floor plates do not constitute readily convertible despite that being exactly what they are. This probably is an attempt to head off legal challenges that this bill bans firearms in common use which is protected by the Heller decision. Also said he wants the bills to be narrowly interpreted because we all know to trust our government to not broadly interpret laws.
Pretty hard to say it's not readily convertible when it takes less than 5 minutes to do a tutorial video with introductions:
http://youtu.be/2sMhECnrNYQ
dwalker460
03-20-2013, 11:47
Let me be clear- I am not going to require someone, say my buddy I have known for 10 years who not only has his CCW but also has stamps for SBR and Suppressors, to waste their time and money on ANY background check for the "transfer" of a firearm from me to them. Meaning, to the LEO watching this, that I will sell, trade, or gift whatever I like WHENEVER I like and the only damned thing you can do to stop me is to put me in jail. When that happens, be prepared, because Rodney King was a fart in the wind compared to Hell that will come from arresting law-abiding citizens for selling/trading/gifting their own damned property.
I will also buy, sell and trade any magazine, of any capacity, that I choose to, whether I even own a firearm for which is was intended. Again, the only thing that will stop me is jail.
Push the button, get the prize.
husky390
03-20-2013, 12:05
Let me be clear- I am not going to require someone, say my buddy I have known for 10 years who not only has his CCW but also has stamps for SBR and Suppressors, to waste their time and money on ANY background check for the "transfer" of a firearm from me to them. Meaning, to the LEO watching this, that I will sell, trade, or gift whatever I like WHENEVER I like and the only damned thing you can do to stop me is to put me in jail. When that happens, be prepared, because Rodney King was a fart in the wind compared to Hell that will come from arresting law-abiding citizens for selling/trading/gifting their own damned property.
I will also buy, sell and trade any magazine, of any capacity, that I choose to, whether I even own a firearm for which is was intended. Again, the only thing that will stop me is jail.
Push the button, get the prize.
Agreed. As I've said before, this would be a jury I would actually look forward to sitting on and I'll fricking tell the court that if asked.
muddywings
03-20-2013, 12:09
jury nullification time!
Agreed. As I've said before, this would be a jury I would actually look forward to sitting on and I'll fricking tell the court that if asked.
I'm all for civil disobedience if it makes a valid point. However, I can see us being arrested in droves while LEO stand around and let pot smokers toke up in public to celebrate Hitler's b-day.
Unjust laws compel good people to break them. This is only the beginning, we will get our rights back.
Rucker61
03-20-2013, 13:25
My guess is he will state that removable floor plates do not constitute readily convertible despite that being exactly what they are. This probably is an attempt to head off legal challenges that this bill bans firearms in common use which is protected by the Heller decision. Also said he wants the bills to be narrowly interpreted because we all know to trust our government to not broadly interpret laws.
How does what he "wants" or "says" actually impact the ability or requirement for enforcement, though?
Teufelhund
03-20-2013, 13:58
Done deal. Bills signed.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/20/17387348-colorado-gov-hickenlooper-signs-landmark-gun-control-bills?lite
Circuits
03-20-2013, 13:59
How does what he "wants" or "says" actually impact the ability or requirement for enforcement, though?
Actually can have a lot of power - it's the basis for "signing statements" as used by the president.
The executive branch is responsible for enforcing the laws, and if the chief executive says it means X, then all executive branch agencies are sort of required to go by that until or unless the judicial branch (courts) puts it under review, or the legislative branch gets pissed off and redefines things.
The executive does not get to change the wording of the law - just color the interpretation. Agencies can still uphold the law in other ways by playing (or actually being) dumb or stubborn, so things get taken before the courts.
Rucker61
03-20-2013, 14:03
Actually can have a lot of power - it's the basis for "signing statements" as used by the president.
The executive branch is responsible for enforcing the laws, and if the chief executive says it means X, then all executive branch agencies are sort of required to go by that until or unless the judicial branch (courts) puts it under review, or the legislative branch gets pissed off and redefines things.
The executive does not get to change the wording of the law - just color the interpretation. Agencies can still uphold the law in other ways by playing (or actually being) dumb or stubborn, so things get taken before the courts.
So state LEOs will enforce it to the Governor's standards, Sheriffs will enforce in accordance with their conscience, but local LEOs will follow the orders of their chiefs, who may choose to push the limits?
Well the bastard did it, poor Colorado, bye bye Magpul, thanks a lot.
Professor Frink
03-20-2013, 14:52
Knew Dickinpooper would sign. Didn't want to believe it, but he did.
My hat is off to Magpul and they will be missed.
Recall time, there are plenty of people on the governor's Facebook page talking about recalling already.
Umm for all of you talking about signing statements: Signing statements DO NOT carry the force of law. They do not exist for the purposes of enforcement or judicial interpretiation.
osok-308
03-20-2013, 15:23
How do we proceed now to get this bullsh*t bill repealed?
Well, the Dems finally got what they want, usher in the era of legal pot and bootleg mags, congratulations Lickenpooper.
It would actually be filled in federal court based on Heller common use and a state barrier to interstate commerce. Also, filing in Colorado is a waste of time; the Colorado Supreme Court is far more left then the legislature.
I don't think any magazine ban especially the way 1124 is worded would stand up using Heller: This is a good read... http://hlpronline.com/2010/04/johnson_commonuse/
Actually, Heller decided "The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home." You're thinking of the Miller decision that decided common use was protected under the 2nd. The Heller decision was striking down the DC handgun ban as unconstitutional. Not to nit-pick, just a point of correction. And I don't get the CO Supreme Court being more "left"... weren't they the ones that said you can't ban CCW on campus? Or did we get some new justices put on in the meantime?
I'm all for civil disobedience if it makes a valid point. However, I can see us being arrested in droves while LEO stand around and let pot smokers toke up in public to celebrate Hitler's b-day.
[LOL]Glad I'm not the only one who pokes fun at the pothead/Hitler connection.
And this whole "Civil Disobedience" thing (The passing of the mags)... maybe I just don't "get it" but I don't really think it will really accomplish much, and sounds kinda dumb to me.
/snip
And this whole "Civil Disobedience" thing (The passing of the mags)... maybe I just don't "get it" but I don't really think it will really accomplish much, and sounds kinda dumb to me.
Who cares, pass a mag, have some fun. [Flower]
lowbeyond
03-20-2013, 17:11
I'm all for civil disobedience if it makes a valid point. However, I can see us being arrested in droves while LEO stand around and let pot smokers toke up in public to celebrate Hitler's b-day.
That would seem to put the issue with the cops....
lowbeyond
03-20-2013, 17:12
Umm for all of you talking about signing statements: Signing statements DO NOT carry the force of law. They do not exist for the purposes of enforcement or judicial interpretiation.
Yep. They don't mean shit. Just like all the words in the floor of the house and senate don't mean shit. What matters is the words in the law as signed.
Jeffrey Lebowski
03-20-2013, 17:37
Boy, I hope Magpul drops a suit....tomorrow!
Who cares, pass a mag, have some fun. [Flower]
Instead of passing mags with capacity over 15 rounds, how about passing 15 round mags with removable floorplates, and 2-round floorplate extenders separately. If there are arrests, it must be because the extendible mags are really illegal. If there are no arrests, the event still brings attention to the flaws in the law. Either way it serves its purpose to attract media attention to wake up colorado voters. People have to ask either "why did they get arrested for 15 round mags?? I thought that was legal", "why are all those people passing around 15 round mags?? what do you mean their not legal??"
Besides, getting arrested on a longstanding Denver City statute that bans mags over 21 rounds kind of confuses the issue.
Just an observation, but Gov. Fartensniffer said something very telling in his press circle-fest. Notice he says at the 1:48 mark in the below video that this bill BANS certain types of firearms. Heller and Miller decisions said that said that firearms "in common use" can not be prohibited.
http://photos.denverpost.com/2013/03/20/video-colorado-governor-john-hickenloopers-press-conference-after-signing-three-gun-bills-into-law/
Just an observation, but Gov. Fartensniffer said something very telling in his press circle-fest. Notice he says at the 1:48 mark in the below video that this bill BANS certain types of firearms. Heller and Miller decisions said that said that firearms "in common use" can not be prohibited. http://photos.denverpost.com/2013/03/20/video-colorado-governor-john-hickenloopers-press-conference-after-signing-three-gun-bills-into-law/That press conference makes it seem like Dickinpooper never spent 1 minute reviewing testimony, facts, public opinion, professional testimony from expert witnesses within the law, and the industry, or anything even remotely related to these BS bills.
That press conference makes it seem like Dickinpooper never spent 1 minute reviewing testimony, facts, public opinion, professional testimony from expert witnesses within the law, and the industry, or anything even remotely related to these BS bills.
Does this surprise you?
As I've been posting - It was a done deal from the start. This is just the beginning. Voting doesn't matter any more. Stop wasting your time attempting to reason with brick walls and start/continue preparing for what comes next. It will not be pretty, and you need to be prepared.
husky390
03-20-2013, 22:55
Thank god he signed the bills. I feel soooooooo much safer now knowing that killer highcap mags will no longer be a threat to me and that criminals will no longer be able to get guns since they'll have to get a background check.
Now, who wants to run through fields chasing butterflies and bunnies for the world is a safer place?
I heard on Grassroots radio today that the Independence Institute will be filing a lawsuit against these bills. I plan to donate some dinero to the cause.
Heh - NY is already revising the crap they just passed. Apparently, they realized that 7 round mags are an issue, so they're changing the wording so that 10 round mags can be used, but only loaded with a max of 7 rounds unless participating in a competition, or while shooting at the range. So anybody thinking about going on a shooting spree BETTER not EVER think about loading that 8th round in the mag, or they'll be in BIG TROUBLE! [ROFL1]
Maybe Hickenlooper will get the memo and back off on the arbitrary 15 round limit and and at least allow a proper 20 round mag.
hghclsswhitetrsh
03-20-2013, 23:16
Lets make sure we pay for a bill board for any put of staters plan on doing harm, that it must be with a 15 round mag and thats it! Or else!
wilsonpenfam
03-20-2013, 23:27
not to happy about what is going on right now in colorado. My thought is most of the people from california that have moved here in the last 10-15 years
Walter.mitty
03-21-2013, 00:56
"The inconvinence is worth it..." Govenor would that be the inconvinence of the gaping hole you just tore in Colorado's economy? For a law that will do JACK about preventing a trajedy.
and at least allow a proper 20 round mag.
No mag limit is "proper." I'd say repeal this crap, then repeal the asinine Denver "ban" and get back to enjoying our freedom just a little bit more.
I wrote a letter to Hickenlooper. Two, actually...
http://i.imgur.com/59qISDih.jpg
No mag limit is "proper." I'd say repeal this crap, then repeal the asinine Denver "ban" and get back to enjoying our freedom just a little bit more.
Nothing said about the limit being proper. The point was that even uber-liberal/Anti-gun NY concedes that an arbitrary limit that splits the capacity of a standard magazine is kind of stupid. Of course we want the ban repealed and our freedoms back. I don't think there are many anti's posting on this site.
Does anyone even MAKE 15 round mags for AR's? And couldn't a nutcase just duct-tape 3 or 4 of them together and still have 45-60 rounds at his disposal?
Does anyone even MAKE 15 round mags for AR's? And couldn't a nutcase just duct-tape 3 or 4 of them together and still have 45-60 rounds at his disposal?
That was part of the point I was trying to make. If there is any such thing as a 15 round mag, I've never seen one. And a fruitcake could just tape a few mags together, or just use couplers. This common sense is part of what made these restrictions so stupid in the first place.
Hey now, you're making sense... Shame on you.
Does anyone even MAKE 15 round mags for AR's? And couldn't a nutcase just duct-tape 3 or 4 of them together and still have 45-60 rounds at his disposal?
newracer
03-21-2013, 14:45
Does anyone even MAKE 15 round mags for AR's? And couldn't a nutcase just duct-tape 3 or 4 of them together and still have 45-60 rounds at his disposal?
There is a company that currently modifies 20 round Pmags to only hold 15 rounds for use in NJ.
those the ones with the pop rivet in them or something more indepth involving blocks and glue
newracer
03-21-2013, 15:12
I think it has a block inside and the baseplate is glued on.
Cylinder Head
03-21-2013, 16:16
There is a company that currently modifies 20 round Pmags to only hold 15 rounds for use in NJ.
Midwestpx.com
I kept all of mine.
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