How VERY interesting!

[mikedubs]

http://blogs.denverpost.com/thespot/2013/03/18/death-penalty-fields-unveils-colorado-death-penalty-repeal-measure-for-voters/92782/


The best part:

“The citizens should weigh-in on this,” said Fields. “I don’t personally believe this is up to lawmakers to decide.”

So we the people cannot decide on the size of our boxes, but we are responsible enough to vote to retain/overturn the death penalty?

How very convenient, considering the two shits who killed her son are on death row.

This seems like a clear case of a conflict of interest.

Is there such a thing as recusing oneself in politics?

[jackthewall81]

Jesus. This lady is running her office on pure emotion, and what will hurt law abiding citizens the most. Taking away guns from harmless citizens and putting more strain on the tax payers. She is one royal pain in the ass.

[Kraven251]

C U Next Tuesday.

[TheGrey]

Is there such a thing as recusing oneself in politics?

No. Once upon a time there may have been such a thing, but now it is all about greed, power and the ability to manipulate data so you can get what you want and have the "validation" of yes-men to back it up.

[JMBD2112]

Not surprising

[Teufelhund]

What do you expect from a "representative" who can't pronounce the name of her own State? I had to turn off the House video feed when she said "Coderado" for the third time.

[sniper7]

Wow. That is all.

[KestrelBike]

That f****** b****.

[KestrelBike]

Jesus. This lady is running her office on pure emotion, and what will hurt law abiding citizens the most. Taking away guns from harmless citizens and putting more strain on the tax payers. She is one royal pain in the ass.

Is there a clear answer as to what's more expensive: life incarceration v death penalty term? (Decades often w multiple costly appeals, etc).

[Irving]

Death Penalty for sure.

[motohooligan]

What do you expect from a "representative" who can't pronounce the name of her own State? I had to turn off the House video feed when she said "Coderado" for the third time.
Dude, we must be on the same page. I thought the exact same thing.

[colorider]

She is a dressed up hoodrat. Nothing more.

[Teufelhund]

Dude, we must be on the same page. I thought the exact same thing.

Seriously. What an ignorant, illiterate, criminal moron. She even pronounced her own district "Uh-roar." And this woman has a graduate degree? Is English not a prerequisite? How could anyone vote for such ignorant filth? I'd bet she can't spell Constitution.

[hurley842002]

How could anyone vote for such ignorant filth? I'd bet she can't spell Constitution.

Go spend any amount of time in her district, and you'll quickly realize how she would get the vote...

[Ronin13]

She is a hoodrat. Nothing more.
FTFY.
I seriously hope for some kind of flesh eating virus in her future, and I don't usually wish ill will on many people. I rank her somewhere between Heinrich Himmler and Diane Feinstein.

[waxthis]

I could see her as president..

[jackthewall81]

Is there a clear answer as to what's more expensive: life incarceration v death penalty term? (Decades often w multiple costly appeals, etc).
The death penalty is something like two times as expensive as life incarceration.

[Byte Stryke]

The death penalty is something like two times as expensive as life incarceration.


I know ammunition has gotten expensive, but ...

[jackthewall81]

I know ammunition has gotten expensive, but ...
http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42

250 million per execution in California. Thats a lot more than life without parole.

Think about it, 250 million to kill someone. What a joke.

[Cthulhu]

How about this... Why not start a ballot initiative to free her son's murderers. I say this in jest of corse but if people want to free Mumia Abu-Jamal why not apply this "logic" all death row cases.

[KestrelBike]

http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42

250 million per execution in California. Thats a lot more than life without parole.

Think about it, 250 million to kill someone. What a joke.

What the....... Where does that money even go???? (Lol we all know the answer really, it's rife corruption) I get by on between 25k and 50k a year and live a hell of a lot more lavishly than a death row inmate. Assuming I live another 50 years, that's 2.5 million. What the F are they doing to increase the cost 25 fold? (Assuming it takes 20 years to finally execute someone)

[jackthewall81]

What the....... Where does that money even go???? (Lol we all know the answer really, it's rife corruption) I get by on between 25k and 50k a year and live a hell of a lot more lavishly than a death row inmate. Assuming I live another 50 years, that's 2.5 million. What the F are they doing to increase the cost 25 fold? (Assuming it takes 20 years to finally execute someone)
Lawyers, judges, protection, appeals, court costs, court costs, court costs, transportation, and finally the execution. Very expensive shit.

[buckshotbarlow]

i'm bald with this kind of logic

[jackthewall81]

What the....... Where does that money even go???? (Lol we all know the answer really, it's rife corruption) I get by on between 25k and 50k a year and live a hell of a lot more lavishly than a death row inmate. Assuming I live another 50 years, that's 2.5 million. What the F are they doing to increase the cost 25 fold? (Assuming it takes 20 years to finally execute someone)
Here is what the article says.



The California death penalty system costs taxpayers more than $114 million a year beyond the cost of simply keeping the convicts locked up for life. (This figure does not take into account additional court costs for post-conviction hearings in state and federal courts, estimated to exceed several million dollars.)

With 11 executions spread over 27 years, on a per execution basis, California and federal taxpayers have paid more than $250 million for each execution.

It costs approximately $90,000 more a year to house an inmate on death row, than in the general prison population or $57.5 million annually.

The Attorney General devotes about 15% of his budget, or $11 million annually to death penalty cases.

The California Supreme Court spends $11.8 million on appointed counsel for death row inmates.

The Office of the State Public Defender and the Habeas Corpus Resource Center spend a total of $22.3 million on defense for indigent defendants facing death.

The federal court system spends approximately $12 million on defending death row inmates in federal court.

No figures were given for the amount spent by the offices of County District Attorneys on the prosecution of capital cases, however these expenses are presumed to be in the tens of millions of dollars each year.

[sniper7]

I could fix that cost pretty damn easy!

[Teufelhund]

What's the going rate for a length of stout rope? I hear it's reusable.

[HBARleatherneck]

What's the going rate for a length of stout rope? I hear it's reusable.
everyone deserves a NEW rope. We should have an abundance of hemp soon.

a guy kills people in chuck e cheese, is captured on video and we pay to feed him for nearly 20 years now. fuck that, give him a neck tie party. and do it now.

[TFOGGER]

If the death penalty were actually the death penalty instead of the endless-appeals-at-the-expense-of-the-taxpayers sentence, it would be a lot less expensive overall. In addition, a death penalty with some actual teeth might act as a deterrent. As it stands, a murderer sentenced to death knows he has at least 16 more years to live. He'll be in prison, but he won't have to share a cell. He'll be on lockdown 23 hours a day, but he won't have to face the hazards of general population. Where is the deterrent in that? Life without parole is even more useless. If we know that the convict is never going to be released, why would we continue to support them for the next 30, 40, 50, or even 60 years?

[mikedubs]

My view is this: all human beings have the potential to be good, worthwhile additions to this social agreement we call civilization. Whether it's through upbringing, surroundings, sheer arrogance, whatever, if you intentionally kill a person and show no remorse (exempting justifiable homicide), you have shown you have no intention of living by the rules and have forfeited your right to live in society, and should be removed quickly.

[waxthis]

everyone deserves a NEW rope. We should have an abundance of hemp soon.

a guy kills people in chuck e cheese, is captured on video and we pay to feed him for nearly 20 years now. fuck that, give him a neck tie party. and do it now.


I agree! Murderers in open and shut cases like that need to be executed within 10 days. 10 days will be plenty of time to set up PPV, of which, all proceeds will go to the medical bills of victims.

[KestrelBike]

I agree! Murderers in open and shut cases like that need to be executed within 10 days. 10 days will be plenty of time to set up PPV, of which, all proceeds will go to the medical bills of victims.

I'd sign that.

[spqrzilla]

The argument that the extended time spent in special confinement and court/lawyer time for ridiculous and frivolous appeals is an argument against the death penalty is ... shall we say circular logic.

[XC700116]

I also would love to see the numbers from TX on the same subject.

Any bets that their costs are dramatically less than CA?

EDIT: Nevermind, here's the numbers and suprise TX does it for less than 1% of CA


Texas
Texas death penalty cases cost more than non-capital cases
Each death penalty case in Texas costs taxpayers about $2.3 million. That is about three times the cost of imprisoning someone in a single cell at the highest security level for 40 years. ("Executions Cost Texas Millions," Dallas Morning News, March 8, 1992).

[osok-308]

so the death penalty should be up to public vote, but the "enlightened" politicians don't trust us with the vote for regular capacity magazines? HYPOCRITE

[Byte Stryke]

I see death by lethal (Lead)injection costing about $4000/week

Paying me $3500 and $500 in Ammunition





WHAT? I hafta practice :)

[BREATHER]

Now I understand how she got elected... I did not put 2 + 2 together. I did not get the connection...

[Great-Kazoo]

What the....... Where does that money even go???? (Lol we all know the answer really, it's rife corruption) I get by on between 25k and 50k a year and live a hell of a lot more lavishly than a death row inmate. Assuming I live another 50 years, that's 2.5 million. What the F are they doing to increase the cost 25 fold? (Assuming it takes 20 years to finally execute someone)

When you consider CA built a multi million dollar Dialysis facility to treat 1 yes ONE life imprison inmate there's your answer.
CA changed the name from DOC to CA DOC AND Rehabilitation. Our kid works for the state of confusion / CA. How many horror stories you want to hear? CA is just a microcosm of the Penal System in general. Throw money at it and the problem goes away, in their minds anyway.

[ben4372]

I can't wait for this "white guilt" period of our country to end.

[Danimal]

I agree! Murderers in open and shut cases like that need to be executed within 10 days. 10 days will be plenty of time to set up PPV, of which, all proceeds will go to the medical bills of victims.

I have been saying that for years. Then on top of that the sentence needs to be carried out in a very public manner so that others will see that there are serious consequences for their actions. We have no public accountability for our actions because there are no consequences that actually deter criminals.

[wreave]

This is a serious problem, guys - not the death penalty itself, but the potential of putting it on the ballot.

Look what happened in 2012 with a liberal cause on the ballot. Do you think the Dems haven't noticed? They think the death penalty will be a great way to ensure another high D turnout. They're going to need every trick they can get.

[Hound]

Jesus. This lady is running her office on pure emotion, and what will hurt law abiding citizens the most. Taking away guns from harmless citizens and putting more strain on the tax payers. She is one royal pain in the ass.

Are you just now figuring that out? I have met her. Gotta give her this... She is focused. Complete loon!!

[Hound]

http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42

250 million per execution in California. Thats a lot more than life without parole.

Think about it, 250 million to kill someone. What a joke.

In China you buy your own bullet. Who wants to put that to a vote here?

[Hound]

My view is this: all human beings have the potential to be good, worthwhile additions to this social agreement we call civilization. Whether it's through upbringing, surroundings, sheer arrogance, whatever, if you intentionally kill a person and show no remorse (exempting justifiable homicide), you have shown you have no intention of living by the rules and have forfeited your right to live in society, and should be removed quickly.

I agree with this one caveat: the rules of a free society. Most of us on this forum are about to be in danger of and stated as such we 'have no intention of living by the rules' of the current society. They just today, legally, made many of us criminals on July 1st through no fault of our own except a deep belief in the 2nd. If our society were to truly go to an Orwellian extreme........ I have no sympathy for 'real' criminals such as the Aurora shooter (I refuse to use his name) but I also know 'terrorist' is a brand that can be applied to anybody. The founders who wrote the Constitution were labeled 'Terrorists' fighting for the right to write it!