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buffalobo
03-20-2013, 07:09
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MONUMENT, Colo. - The head of Colorado's prison system was shot to death in his Monument home Tuesday night, and authorities say the shooter is still on the loose.
Tom Clements was shot at about 8:30 p.m. when he answered the door at his house in the 17400 block of Colonial Park Drive, according to El Paso County Sheriff's Lt. Jeff Kramer.
Kramer says a family member called 911 to report the shooting. No one else in the home was hurt.
Investigators do not have a description of the shooter, but began searching the area Tuesday night.
"We did have some efforts from our K-9 unit to see if they could locate anything that might be helpful in this investigation, those efforts have been met with negative results," said Kramer.
Authorities were going house to house Wednesday morning trying to find out what neighbors knew about the shooting, Kramer said.
Governor John Hickenlooper announced flags will be at half-staff at all public buildings statewide, until the day after Clements' funeral. Those arrangements are pending.
Hickenlooper released an email at 3:30 a.m. Wednesday that said he “can hardly believe it, let alone write words to describe it.”
Hickenlooper will be holding a press conference at the capitol around 8 a.m., said Colorado Department spokeswoman Alison Morgan.
“We are sad, we are very sad," Morgan said.
Clements was appointed as the Executive Director of the Department of Corrections in 2011.
He is survived by his wife, Lisa Clements, and his two daughters.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/tom-clements-executive-director-of-the-department-of-corrections-found-dead-in-monument-home
Possibly a disgruntled customer/guest?
brokenscout
03-20-2013, 07:11
[mop]
n8tive97
03-20-2013, 07:37
That sucks.... Prayers out to his family.
mdflem51
03-20-2013, 07:40
Guard's union?
strm_trpr
03-20-2013, 08:08
A sad day in DOC today, did not care for some of his policies but a life is a life and every one that is lost is a tragedy. My heart and prayers goes out to his family.
It was the governor's office; they needed to refocus momentum for today's BS bill signings.
mdflem51
03-20-2013, 08:34
Knock ..Knock..Who`s there..? Hick won`t be answering the door
Don't care.. DOC is corrupt
It was the governor's office; they needed to refocus momentum for today's BS bill signings.
You guys need to seriously examine your attitudes. That's the kind of grave-dancing I'd expect from MSNBC.
Inside job? High cap magazines to be found soon? Disgruntled employee or ex con?
Prayers To his family
ChunkyMonkey
03-20-2013, 08:41
RIP
Seems to me this was an "assassination". He probably had a lot of "enemies" (all those guys in DOC in CO, not to mention MO, since he was head there once too I think I read).
sellersm
03-20-2013, 09:17
RIP.
Grave dancing? Nah. Just a lil healthy paranoia. My heart goes out to his family, but I get suspicious these days with any high profile shooting. The last one just worked out too well for the damnocrats...
BushMasterBoy
03-20-2013, 09:25
There was a rash of shootings in Pueblo West a few years ago. Somebody was shooting at DOC guards houses. Nobody was ever injured, and the shooter was never caught. This is why I need 30 round magazines, to combat the criminal element.
Organized crime, Witness saw a Lincoln leaving the scene.
NightCat
03-20-2013, 11:05
This is 5 miles from my house...and less than a mile from my old high school.............
muddywings
03-20-2013, 11:18
I'm really quite surprised that someone in his position didn't have CCTV, a gated entryway and answered the door while carrying.
Very sad, RIP!
He was a customer of the company I work for. Crazy to see shit hit so close to home. It is just proof that when your number is pulled....you time here is up. RIP
brokenscout
03-20-2013, 11:22
DFC
HBARleatherneck
03-20-2013, 11:22
I'm really quite surprised that someone in his position didn't have CCTV, a gated entryway and answered the door while carrying.
Very sad, RIP!
exactly what I was thinking. maybe the surveillance system wouldnt have saved his life if he didnt look to see who it was, but they would have a good description to go off of.
NightCat
03-20-2013, 11:29
now see, had be pulled a Biden and just sent two blasts of 12ga through his door this wouldn't have happened.
lol
Sorry, trying to be serious....
BushMasterBoy
03-20-2013, 11:29
There are lots of cameras along the interstate and a good chance a camera of a gas station or convenience store caught a picture of the shooter. Do they actually record the highways on the DOT cameras?
glenncal1
03-20-2013, 11:32
I'm really quite surprised that someone in his position didn't have CCTV, a gated entryway and answered the door while carrying.
Very sad, RIP!
Anyone knocks on my door afterdark, there is a handgun in my hand berfore I look thru the peephole.
Anyone knocks on my door afterdark, there is a handgun in my hand berfore I look thru the peephole.
Yup. Plus daylight hours for me. :-)
OneGuy67
03-20-2013, 11:46
There are lots of cameras along the interstate and a good chance a camera of a gas station or convenience store caught a picture of the shooter. Do they actually record the highways on the DOT cameras?
In my experience with CDOT, no.
That job, by default, has to create a few enemies.
Byte Stryke
03-20-2013, 11:55
it was a hit and thats all I'm Sayin
You guys need to seriously examine your attitudes. That's the kind of grave-dancing I'd expect from MSNBC.You missed my point. The grave dancing is EXACTLY what is going to come of this, but in the form of "we need gun control, just look at what happened with the head of corrections".
As it is, at least 1/2 of the articles about the BS signing of the bills include a line about this murder.
And feel free to block my posts if you are so offended.
brokenscout
03-20-2013, 12:46
I have my own reasons, and I don't really care
You guys need to seriously examine your attitudes. That's the kind of grave-dancing I'd expect from MSNBC.
BushMasterBoy
03-20-2013, 12:46
I just looked up the deceaseds name in the El Paso County assessors website and it listed his address. If you are in law enforcement you can contact your local assessors office and they will remove your name from the property records.
http://tornado.state.co.us/gov_dir/leg_dir/olls/sl2009a/sl_313.htm
lowspeed_highdrag
03-20-2013, 13:09
Guys that get sent to DOC are no small fish, and when they leave....they dont leave as better people.
Sources: Clements murder investigation will look at Saudi prisoner connection
http://kdvr.com/2013/03/20/source-clements-murder-investigation-will-look-at-saudi-prisoner-connection/
brokenscout
03-20-2013, 13:30
And the plot thickens
Sources: Clements murder investigation will look at Saudi prisoner connection
http://kdvr.com/2013/03/20/source-clements-murder-investigation-will-look-at-saudi-prisoner-connection/
HBARleatherneck
03-20-2013, 13:35
fuck saudi arabia and the camel they rode in on. i say we should bomb those bastards. they sent the hijackers, they spread the most vile islam, they pay for all the mosques in America. if they did this we should end their miserable existence.
fuck saudi arabia and the camel they rode in on. i say we should bomb those bastards. they sent the hijackers, they spread the most vile islam, they pay for all the mosques in America. if they did this we should end their miserable existence.
I agree. Saudi Arabia - pretending to be our friend while infecting the world with a virulent strain of lies and deceit known as Wahhabism. This isn't to say that Islam is good for anything, just to say that the Saudi version is more evil than most.
10mm-man
03-20-2013, 13:51
Sources: Clements murder investigation will look at Saudi prisoner connection
http://kdvr.com/2013/03/20/source-clements-murder-investigation-will-look-at-saudi-prisoner-connection/
"The U.S. Attorney for Colorado John Walsh received extra security at his house Tuesday night and was escorted to work Wednesday under armed guard, a high-placed law enforcement source told FOX31 Denver reporter Justin Joseph."
Not sure why puke wouldn't suffice in an attack?? Or even urinating??? Ummmm......
funkymonkey1111
03-20-2013, 14:48
"The U.S. Attorney for Colorado John Walsh received extra security at his house Tuesday night and was escorted to work Wednesday under armed guard, a high-placed law enforcement source told FOX31 Denver reporter Justin Joseph."
Not sure why puke wouldn't suffice in an attack?? Or even urinating??? Ummmm......
no, you clearly don't get it--the douche that said that was simply referring to the bitches that have to pee or puke as a defensive mechanism. That's the level of respect he has for Colorado females.
hurley842002
03-20-2013, 15:02
Guard's union?
I'm late to the party here, but DOC has no union.....
BushMasterBoy
03-20-2013, 15:19
If I was the investigators, I'd still check for the IP of everyone who looked at his property on the county assessors website before the shooting. Somehow I think this is gang related.
Jesus-With-A-.45
03-20-2013, 15:20
"The U.S. Attorney for Colorado John Walsh received extra security at his house Tuesday night and was escorted to work Wednesday under armed guard, a high-placed law enforcement source told FOX31 Denver reporter Justin Joseph."
Not sure why puke wouldn't suffice in an attack?? Or even urinating??? Ummmm......
Would shitting himself count?
brushbelle52
03-20-2013, 15:38
Guys that get sent to DOC are no small fish, and when they leave....they dont leave as better people.
Amen.
brushbelle52
03-20-2013, 15:39
And the plot thickens
Wow!
"The U.S. Attorney for Colorado John Walsh received extra security at his house Tuesday night and was escorted to work Wednesday under armed guard, a high-placed law enforcement source told FOX31 Denver reporter Justin Joseph."
Not sure why puke wouldn't suffice in an attack?? Or even urinating??? Ummmm......
Shazamm!!! Evie Hudak and Salazar reporting for protective duty. Depends armed!
[pileoshit]
mdflem51
03-20-2013, 17:07
I'm late to the party here, but DOC has no union.....
PERA thugs then?
brokenscout
03-20-2013, 18:37
Huh?
Wow!
screagle2
03-20-2013, 18:39
You guys need to seriously examine your attitudes. That's the kind of grave-dancing I'd expect from MSNBC.
Agree,
screagle2
03-20-2013, 18:42
You guys need to seriously examine your attitudes. That's the kind of grave-dancing I'd expect from MSNBC.
now see, had be pulled a Biden and just sent two blasts of 12ga through his door this wouldn't have happened.
It's no wonder the public has a dim view on those of us who enjoy the 2nd........
I would have hoped for better from peeps in this board.
lol
Sorry, trying to be serious....
GhostRider
03-20-2013, 18:42
prayers to the family
Condolences to the family. Making enemies is definitely one of the hazards of the job.
BushMasterBoy
03-20-2013, 23:40
This is very similar to the things that happened during the Clinton era, especially in Arkansas. Democrats are crazy! Yeah right politics has no bearing in this case...
http://www.handpen.com/Bio/clintonbodycount.htm
USAFGopherMike
03-21-2013, 02:19
Spend some time in Saudi Arabia, you'll not leave with a good impression. This smells like a hit for sure and I'd be surprised if they ever caught the shooter. Speculation aside, not good heat for our community and more ammo for the demoncrats and lefty media. RIP.
looks like the shooter might be dead in tx after a shoot out with the police
sellersm
03-21-2013, 17:09
looks like the shooter might be dead in tx after a shoot out with the police
Link? reference?
hurley842002
03-21-2013, 17:11
Link? reference?
http://kdvr.com/2013/03/21/authorities-looking-at-connection-between-texas-shootout-and-clements-slaying/
Bailey Guns
03-21-2013, 17:12
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/21/texas-shootout-may-be-tied-to-colorado-correction-chief-murder-authorities-say/?test=latestnews
sellersm
03-21-2013, 17:14
http://kdvr.com/2013/03/21/authorities-looking-at-connection-between-texas-shootout-and-clements-slaying/
Thanks.
BushMasterBoy
03-21-2013, 17:22
Local paper...
http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/03/21/4719913/man-shoots-deputy-in-bowie-flees.html
So he killed the delivery guy for the shirt and pizza box, to use to get the DOC guy to open the door?
Great-Kazoo
03-21-2013, 22:33
Anyone knocks on my door afterdark, there is a handgun in my hand berfore I look thru the peephole.
You never look through anything that places your body in front of the door.
I know this doesn't exactly take a psychic to work out, but I told my wife last night over dinner that I GUARANTEED some guy would die in a hail of gunfire and get connected to this. I think there's a 50/50 shot that it was actually him who perpetrated the Monument bit, but one way or the other - he had to wind up dead. The only thing I was off on is that I predicted it would happen within a month - they got it done in what, 2 days? You can't have a major bureaucrat shot to death and let it be unsolved. Too many other like-minded individuals watching the news, stroking their chins, going "Hmmmm...."
Whether the guy who shot the deputy was the same one who shot the DOC guy, who knows. But now it's neatly solved and filed away.
brokenscout
03-22-2013, 08:24
I said the same thing, they had ZERO to go on and now the suspect is dead. I don't think they got the right guy
I know this doesn't exactly take a psychic to work out, but I told my wife last night over dinner that I GUARANTEED some guy would die in a hail of gunfire and get connected to this. I think there's a 50/50 shot that it was actually him who perpetrated the Monument bit, but one way or the other - he had to wind up dead. The only thing I was off on is that I predicted it would happen within a month - they got it done in what, 2 days? You can't have a major bureaucrat shot to death and let it be unsolved. Too many other like-minded individuals watching the news, stroking their chins, going "Hmmmm...."
Whether the guy who shot the deputy was the same one who shot the DOC guy, who knows. But now it's neatly solved and filed away.
HBARleatherneck
03-22-2013, 17:24
update. alleged shooter is son of dickenpoopers friend who is a campaign contibutor.
http://www.9news.com/news/article/325681/339/Hickenlooper-calls-Ebels-father-old-friend
kidicarus13
03-22-2013, 17:30
update. alleged shooter is son of dickenpoopers friend who is a campaign contibutor.
http://www.9news.com/news/article/325681/339/Hickenlooper-calls-Ebels-father-old-friend
Oh boy, here comes the TIN FOIL.
Bailey Guns
03-22-2013, 18:13
I know this doesn't exactly take a psychic to work out, but I told my wife last night over dinner that I GUARANTEED some guy would die in a hail of gunfire and get connected to this. I think there's a 50/50 shot that it was actually him who perpetrated the Monument bit, but one way or the other - he had to wind up dead. The only thing I was off on is that I predicted it would happen within a month - they got it done in what, 2 days? You can't have a major bureaucrat shot to death and let it be unsolved. Too many other like-minded individuals watching the news, stroking their chins, going "Hmmmm...."
Whether the guy who shot the deputy was the same one who shot the DOC guy, who knows. But now it's neatly solved and filed away.
Where did you read it's "solved and filed away"? And what's your source for all the information you must have on the inner workings of the investigation? How do you explain the attempted traffic stop in TX that turned into a chase and a shootout with a deputy sheriff seriously injured and a Colorado DOC parolee as the suspect? Did someone kidnap him and transport him to TX?
Seriously?
SuperiorDG
03-25-2013, 16:02
Officials: Gun found in Texas is same used to kill Clements
Read more: Officials: Gun found in Texas is same used to kill Clements - The Denver Post (http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22867205/officials-gun-found-texas-is-same-used-kill?utm_medium=facebook#ixzz2Oaj9pFYs) http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22867205/officials-gun-found-texas-is-same-used-kill?utm_medium=facebook#ixzz2Oaj9pFYs
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I heard in the shoot out with the Texas cop the prep fire some 20 rounds. I don't know of a S&W pistol that has mags over 17 rounds. So it sounds like he did a reload driving 100mph. Even with a 10 round mag the results would have been the same.
muddywings
03-28-2013, 07:12
Woman arrested in gun sale to Evan Ebe
http://www.krdo.com/news/Woman-arrested-in-gun-sale-to-Evan-Ebel/-/417220/19499728/-/fmkn7g/-/index.html
Lakewood, CO -A 22-year-old Commerce City woman was arrested by agents with the Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI) for allegedly illegally transferring the firearm recovered in Texas, and identified by the El Paso County Sheriff's Office as the weapon used in the shooting death of Tom Clements on March 19, 2013.
Working in conjunction with the El Paso County Sheriff's Office, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), Englewood Police Department and the Denver Police Department, CBI agents arrested Stevie Marie Vigil of Commerce City in the evening hours of March 27, 2013.
Vigil was arrested on suspicion of an alleged illegal transfer of a firearm in early March, based on information developed during the course of the investigation.
Oftentimes referred to as a ‘straw purchase' investigators believe Vigil purchased the firearm from a licensed firearms dealer in Englewood, and allegedly transferred the weapon to Evan Ebel, a convicted felon who could not legally possess a firearm. The licensed firearms dealer has been extremely cooperative with investigators, and had no knowledge of Vigil's alleged actions following her legal purchase of the gun.
Vigil was taken to the Arapahoe County Jail on March 27. Her bond is set at $25,000.
Vigil faces one count of unlawful purchase of a firearm, a class 4 felony in the State of Colorado. A class 4 felony carries a potential penalty of anywhere between two and 16 years in prison and fines ranging from $500-$2,000.
*break break*
I'm guessing they ran the S/N of the gun and got in touch with the manufacturer. The manufacturer keeps the records of who it sells it to so then they check in with the gun store/FFL and go through the records until they find the gun and the buyer. Yes/No??
In many ways I'm very glad to see they traced it and get the b$%^&*(cth into cuffs but likewise it's a bit scary how fast they can trace that.
Proving a straw purchase is probably a tough situation with connecting a lot of dots. versus a private sale that just turned bad. Of course this problem what the Ds think there legislation will solve when in the end, it really won't.
blacklabel
03-28-2013, 07:24
Thank God we have universal background checks coming to prevent this from happening again./sarcasm
buffalobo
03-28-2013, 07:50
So Hick, how much would the legislation you signed into law, against the wishes of Colorado citizenry, have protected your employee from the felon murderer?
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buffalobo
03-28-2013, 07:52
Next time that scumbag is on Rosen show I am going to do everything I can to get on and ask that question.
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303sig1911
03-28-2013, 08:00
This proves a number of points that have been made repeatedly to our representatives. Criminals do not go to gun stores, they do not go to gun shows. They steal guns, buy other stolen guns, or have someone make a straw purchase.
This guy had been caught a few other times illegally possessing a gun, pistol whipped and carjacked a guy while on probation and served hardly any jail time. This guy was a habitual, violent criminal who paid no mind to the laws. Yet we kept him on probation and gave him numerous chances. Now two people are dead. Let's just go enact more laws we wont enforce or properly penalize people with.
The woman arrested will of course have the book thrown at her and she should get the longest sentence possible.
glenncal1
03-28-2013, 08:01
OK-if you are the dumbass who sold this guy the gun, after the shoot out and attending news, don't you think you might make yourself scarce around Colorado.
RCCrawler
03-28-2013, 08:27
Stuff like this really scares the crap out of me when selling used guns, did she really go into a gun store and make a straw purchase intended directly to go to him, or was she just some lady who sold a used gun on armslist or the like?
Really a quick glance of a drivers license is all most of us do, and 99% of the time it's ok. I just know that in high profile crimes such as this they want someone to be the face of the crime and will pin any blame they could on anyone they can find.
If this lady did make an intentional straw purchase for the guy then yes I hope she goes down hard, however if she just sold the gun on armslist of something similar I really feel sorry for her.
Bailey Guns
03-28-2013, 08:31
This guy had been caught a few other times illegally possessing a gun, pistol whipped and carjacked a guy while on probation and served hardly any jail time. This guy was a habitual, violent criminal who paid no mind to the laws. Yet we kept him on probation and gave him numerous chances. Now two people are dead. Let's just go enact more laws we wont enforce or properly penalize people with.
Exactly. Which is precisely why you and I and other law-abiding citizens should be forced to endure more infringements on our 2A rights. Makes perfect sense to me.
If you and I have to jump through more hoops to purchase a gun guys like him won't be able to kill as easily. Liberal Logic 101.
HBARleatherneck
03-28-2013, 08:33
if being possession of a firearm by a felon were illegal, this wouldnt have happened. if murder was illegal this wouldnt have happened.
what drug induced world do these idiots live in, that they believe criminals wont allways be criminals? "if there were just 1 more law in place, they wouldnt cross the line"
i hate liberal democrat moron idiots.
blacklabel
03-28-2013, 08:45
Stuff like this really scares the crap out of me when selling used guns, did she really go into a gun store and make a straw purchase intended directly to go to him, or was she just some lady who sold a used gun on armslist or the like?
Really a quick glance of a drivers license is all most of us do, and 99% of the time it's ok. I just know that in high profile crimes such as this they want someone to be the face of the crime and will pin any blame they could on anyone they can find.
If this lady did make an intentional straw purchase for the guy then yes I hope she goes down hard, however if she just sold the gun on armslist of something similar I really feel sorry for her.
Based on the article, she purchased the firearm from a dealer with the intention of transferring possession to the shooter.
Either that or my reading comprehension is fawked today.
Bailey Guns
03-28-2013, 08:47
i hate liberal democrat moron idiots.
HOLY CRAP! One sentence, 6 words, 4 synonyms. That's amazing. Thoroughly impressed!
[Coffee]
RCCrawler
03-28-2013, 09:41
Based on the article, she purchased the firearm from a dealer with the intention of transferring possession to the shooter.
Either that or my reading comprehension is fawked today.
Here is what the article said:
Oftentimes referred to as a ‘straw purchase' investigators believe Vigil purchased the firearm from a licensed firearms dealer in Englewood, and allegedly transferred the weapon to Evan Ebel, a convicted felon who could not legally possess a firearm. The licensed firearms dealer has been extremely cooperative with investigators, and had no knowledge of Vigil's alleged actions following her legal purchase of the gun.
That isn't clear to me what her intentions were.
Let's say this afternoon I stopped by Gander Mtn. saw a new AR-15 on the shelf for $900.00 I thought to my self wow that's a great deal and I bought it. Excited I went straight to the range and fired a few mags through it. I now figured out why it was a $900 AR and why it was available at this time, it was a POS, and I didn't like it. Besides that when I got home my wife chewed my ass for spending money on it. That night I list it on armslist. Evan Ebel contacts me, on the phone he seems like a nice guy, I agree to meet up with him. We meet in a parking lot somewhere, I take a quick peek at his license, ask if he's a felon which he responds no to and I sell him the gun. Technically I have followed the law and should be good to go.
However they could write this same story about me the following week when he kills a high profile state official.
Oftentimes referred to as a ‘straw purchase' investigators believe RCCrawler purchased the firearm from a licensed firearms dealer in Thornton, and allegedly transferred the weapon to Evan Ebel, a convicted felon who could not legally possess a firearm. The licensed firearms dealer has been extremely cooperative with investigators, and had no knowledge of RCCrawler's alleged actions following his legal purchase of the gun.
Now it's on me to prove why I sold a gun the day after I purchased it to a convicted felon.
Again I am not saying this lady is innocent, I'm just saying it scares the crap out of me when selling used guns and stuff like this happens.
newracer
03-28-2013, 09:55
By stating it is was straw purchase implies that she purchased the weapon with the intent of transferring it to him and she knew he was a prohibited person.
Also you don't have to prove anything, you are innocent until proven guilty.
brokenscout
03-28-2013, 10:00
Not anymore, "they believe" she straw purchased the weapon. How long till one of us is in trouble for this. How about the gun "flippers" on armslist(and here). If she did it on purpose ok, but innocent until proven guilty
By stating it is was straw purchase implies that she purchased the weapon with the intent of transferring it to him and she knew he was a prohibited person.
Also you don't have to prove anything, you are innocent until proven guilty.
newracer
03-28-2013, 10:06
You can be arrested for anything anytime, what they can prove and convicted you of is another story.
brokenscout
03-28-2013, 10:12
Not if you don't let them.:) It's getting to be more of proving yourself innocent lately. Especially in these high profile cases, they want someone to balme
You can be arrested for anything anytime, what they can prove and convicted you of is another story.
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