View Full Version : GunSmoke in deep shit.
RCCrawler
03-21-2013, 11:40
Guess all those cash deals, and trading silver caught up with them.
http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/gunsmoke%20guns%20rich%20with%20george%20w%20bush. jpg
Update: We've been following a series of surprising incidents involving Gunsmoke Guns (http://www.gunsmokeguns.com/home.html), a Wheat Ridge store that served as the setting of American Guns, a reality TV series that was recently canceled by the Discovery Channel; see our previous coverage below.
First, there was a robbery. Then, there was an IRS raid, which some Second Amendment boosters saw as politically motivated. Now, the search warrant affidavit has been unsealed (see it here), and it reveals that the inquiry into the business activities of the Wyatt family, who run Gunsmoke, has been underway for years.
http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2013/03/gunsmoke_guns_american_guns_discovery_burglars_fif teen_guns.php
muddywings
03-21-2013, 11:42
cool website....FIRST!! ;)
HBARleatherneck
03-21-2013, 11:42
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RCCrawler
03-21-2013, 11:45
Craziness
The section of the affidavit devoted to evidence states that in or around June 2010, an agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives was given information suggesting that Rich Wyatt, family patriarch and manager of Gunsmoke, "unlawfully possessed six...fully automatic weapons" in violation of U.S. law.
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Shortly thereafter, agents discovered that while the Wyatts -- including wife Renee and kids Kurt and Paige -- have long been thought to own Gunsmoke, a certain Victor Rodriguez is actually the man with his name on the paperwork.
These are the same guys who would engrave their logo into every gun that came into the shop for smithing, without the owner's permission, then substituted substandard used parts for customer provided high performance parts. They also were known for making customers pay for a gun before running the BGC, and if it came back "denied" they also denied a refund and kept the gun.
10-1 says Wyatt burgled his own store too. It would not seem out of character, given past business practices.
mahabali
03-21-2013, 11:47
Not surprised.
HBARleatherneck
03-21-2013, 11:47
and while giving their CCW classes talking shit non stop about LEOs. and having it recorded and played on fox31. morons.
The section of the affidavit devoted to evidence states that in or around June 2010, an agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives was given information suggesting that Rich Wyatt, family patriarch and manager of Gunsmoke, "unlawfully possessed six...fully automatic weapons" in violation of U.S. law. This allegation caused agents to look more closely into the shop's records, figuratively transforming these weapons into smoking guns.
He is in deep shit and well deserved. Have fun in the pokey.
HBARleatherneck
03-21-2013, 11:50
He is in deep shit and well deserved. Have fun in the pokey.
pun intended?
griebel303
03-21-2013, 11:56
The highest paid person was $13k in 2007 ?? I don't understand how anyone who has a show that goes on Discovery and flies around in Helicopters can try and lie on taxes. IRS knows you have money...helicopter gives it away
Snowman78
03-21-2013, 12:00
I would not want to mess with the IRS, they help bring down Al Capone..
He is in deep shit and well deserved. Have fun in the pokey.
pun intended?
;)
I never did like Mr. Wyatt.
Rooskibar03
03-21-2013, 12:05
Couldn't have happen to a nicer family.
Well, as the upstanding citizen that I am, if the parents go to the hoosegow, I would generously offer lodging for Paige while she gets her career going. She's gotta be legal by now, right?
Snowman78
03-21-2013, 12:13
After reading the search warrant it reaffirmed Rich is an idiot. It is unbelievable that he believed none of this stuff would catch up to him.
jhood001
03-21-2013, 12:13
Well, as the upstanding citizen that I am, if the parents go to the hoosegow, I would generously offer lodging for Paige while she gets her career going. She's gotta be legal by now, right?
Yeah, I think so. You'll need an exotic animal permit though in order to have a giraffe at your residence.
Troublco
03-21-2013, 12:17
I always thought his whole thing was an act; but no, he's really that stupid. Doing the things he did, things either traceable, visible on his idiotic tv show, or both; he was just waving it around in front of the IRS's nose, and while they were investigating him! What a dumba**.
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These are the same guys who would engrave their logo into every gun that came into the shop for smithing, without the owner's permission, then substituted substandard used parts for customer provided high performance parts. They also were known for making customers pay for a gun before running the BGC, and if it came back "denied" they also denied a refund and kept the gun.
10-1 says Wyatt burgled his own store too. It would not seem out of character, given past business practices.
I still refuse to do business with them after hearing about that lady that tried to buy a gun, paid, was denied, and they offered to refund her money minus a "restocking" fee... What a joke! He even bragged about it at the Evergreen town hall meeting with Nicholson a few weeks ago- "Criminals will try and buy a gun from me and get denied, then get angry when I keep their money." WTF? Why are you taking money prior to BGC being completed? And isn't it a crime to do that because technically they're paying for a gun then can't take possession of?
Yeah, I think so. You'll need an exotic animal permit though in order to have a giraffe at your residence.
I was wondering when this would get brought up... [ROFL1]
jhood001
03-21-2013, 12:21
I was wondering when this would get brought up... [ROFL1]
Only in good fun. She is pretty. Just unique looking in some aspects.
funkymonkey1111
03-21-2013, 12:23
search warrant is here
http://www.scribd.com/doc/131607568/Gunsmoke-Guns-Search-Warrant-Affidavit
Hey, like I said before... it's a giraffe I would gladly instruct in the ways of love. ;-)
On a side note - I only dropped into the store once about 5 years ago looking for ammo, and thought Rich was pretty much a dick. Typical gun-store employee - terrible attitude, thinks he knows it all, fanatically disdainful of anything that isn't a "good ol' 1911", and generally conveyed the impression that I was a piece of shit for frequenting his establishment.
Hey, like I said before... it's a giraffe I would gladly instruct in the ways of love. ;-)
On a side note - I only dropped into the store once about 5 years ago looking for ammo, and thought Rich was pretty much a dick. Typical gun-store employee - terrible attitude, thinks he knows it all, fanatically disdainful of anything that isn't a "good ol' 1911", and generally conveyed the impression that I was a piece of shit for frequenting his establishment.
I'd love the hell out of her! [Beer]
I experienced almost the same thing- When I moved back to CO they were the only gun store I really knew of (hadn't really been around CO in 4 years, and that bastard Carl closed Bailey Guns [Coffee]) and so I went through them to transfer my Glock from NY to here. They were nice enough to do it for free since I was just getting out of the Army, but man, all of them talked shit on the fact that it was a Glock. Rich even said he'd make me a deal and sell me a 1911 so I could throw out my "tactical tupperware piece of shit." I've had my Glock for almost exactly 7 years, not once have I thought it a "piece of shit." I'm sad that my future ex-FIL is such a moron. [Flower]
streetglideok
03-21-2013, 12:37
Pretty funny indeed. Bad part is, the grabbers will label us like him. Idiots like him make good gun shops look bad, and gun owners as a whole look stupid. I had heard stories that RMGO had pushed hard for a reality show on guns here in the state, and that he had a hand in getting it landed at his dump, err store. Also that he was fixing to go under several years ago.
I'm sad that my future ex-FIL is such a moron. [Flower]
LMAO... nice. http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/i-see-what-you-did-there-army.jpg
mikedubs
03-21-2013, 12:49
Sic semper assholus...
Better get out the butter because he is TOAST! Didn't the other kid run off to Italy?
BushMasterBoy
03-21-2013, 13:07
The only way out now is to pay all the taxes and penalties immediately and claim accounting oversight. Then it won't look so bad at his criminal trial. As long as you pay the tax on the income, the IRS won't come after you...even if you are selling illegal drugs! The USA is all about the money, always has been.
The only way out now is to pay all the taxes and penalties immediately and claim accounting oversight. Then it won't look so bad at his criminal trial. As long as you pay the tax on the income, the IRS won't come after you...even if you are selling illegal drugs! The USA is all about the money, always has been.
Yes but owning 6 FA weapons without the stamps is going to get you a $100,000 fine plus 10 years per weapon.
.455_Hunter
03-21-2013, 13:17
The attitude expressed by most of the Gunsmoke staff while the show was in production was horrible. I got the 3rd degree for asking to work the action and test the lock-up on a used 70's Ruger Blackhawk priced at $299- they treated like it was an NIB unturned Colt SAA. The attention of the staff was focused on all the out-of-towners stopping by for t-shirts and asking about overpriced "gunsmithing" services.
I stopped by last week, and WOW, what a difference... Rich was stumbling over himself trying to help me, and the son was actually doing some work with a hand file on a pistol frame (shudder) in the back room. I think the cash flow has slowed to a trickle...
hghclsswhitetrsh
03-21-2013, 13:19
Anyone willing to take in a giraffe after age 18? For the sake of helping of course.
Well, as the upstanding citizen that I am, if the parents go to the hoosegow, I would generously offer lodging for Paige while she gets her career going. She's gotta be legal by now, right?
Beat ya to it.
Well you know what they say about girls with long necks.
hghclsswhitetrsh
03-21-2013, 13:23
Well you know what they say about girls with long necks.
No. But I did a quick google search. Nice. Not necessary but nice.
Inconel710
03-21-2013, 13:42
Isn't Rich all buddy-buddy with the owner of Shotgun Willies? Maybe he's got some openings in the lineup?
Geology Rocks
03-21-2013, 13:46
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Isn't Rich all buddy-buddy with the owner of Shotgun Willies? Maybe he's got some openings in the lineup?
Hi! Welcome to Shotgun Willies!
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/guns/gun%20funnies/paige_wyatt_paige_wyatt_ZVQK79S_sized.jpg
Anyone willing to take in a giraffe after age 18? For the sake of helping of course.
A giraffe with bodacious ta-ta's? Sure!
hghclsswhitetrsh
03-21-2013, 13:56
A giraffe with bodacious ta-ta's? Sure!
See that's thur is people helping people. Mighty nice of ya.
BushMasterBoy
03-21-2013, 14:04
Damn, some of you guys oughta email Paige and see if she will work as a web cam girl...
A giraffe with bodacious ta-ta's? Sure!
Meh, my GF's are bigger.... [Coffee]
Damn, some of you guys oughta email Paige and see if she will work as a web cam girl...
She could make a killing... and then use all that money (along with her "salary" from Shotgun Willie's) to help pay mommy and daddy's legal fees. [LOL]
It ain't Paige's fault her dad is a scumbag. She seems very nice.
Batteriesnare
03-21-2013, 15:07
Good riddance and fuck him.
streetglideok
03-21-2013, 15:46
It ain't Paige's fault her dad is a scumbag. She seems very nice.
Question is, is Rich her dad, or stepdad? Renee is obviously her mom, the necks look alike, but knowing he went thru a divorce in the past, and even got thrown in jail because of it, I think she is too old to be his kid.
Question is, is Rich her dad, or stepdad? Renee is obviously her mom, the necks look alike, but knowing he went thru a divorce in the past, and even got thrown in jail because of it, I think she is too old to be his kid.
Wikipedia - faulty source, I know, says they are his step-kids.
jerrymrc
03-21-2013, 16:08
So ya pay over a mil for a few properties over a couple of year time frame and report income as about $3400 each year and nobody is going to notice?
I know! they claimed they donated $500K per year to the goodwill and the "medical necessity" of a neck stretching operation was another $300K, Got it. [LOL][Bang]
Wikipedia - faulty source, I know, says they are his step-kids.
So change that to my future ex-SFIL.... [Coffee]
Good riddance and fuck him.
^^^This. Rich is a turd. Polish it, paint it, re-name it...doesn't matter - A turd is a turd. He is getting what he's had coming to him for a long damn time. Karma is not just a bitch, she's a bitch with a double-fisted, jackhammer dildo and no KY.
BPTactical
03-21-2013, 17:39
The level of stupidity regarding this is just amazing.
1- intentionally falsify tax documents
2- falsely promote thineself as the owner(no surprise there knowing the individual)
3- put yourself in the spotlight with the TV show knowing you are conducting your business in a shady manner.
4- knowingly possessing NFA items unlawfully.
Just how the hell does somebody qualify for 600+k showing 3500 for an income? How does one even get a mortgage company to look at you not having filed personal returns?
Every entity that has been featured on Discovery as a series has had the kiss of death.
Wonder what Peter Boyles thinks of his buddy now?
Guys, too many things don't add up with the article.
First off...how many people who have 6 unregistered MGs are still out walking around free? ...I saw him in his shop just last night.
Secondly...I see around Arvada resturaunts that have been shut down by the gov for missing 1 year of taxes. And that shop has skipped...what was it...6?
Personal taxes not paid or under paid...that is ripe comming from an organization run by a fellow who owes the gov more than 100k.
Frankly guys...like Rich or not...this scenerio smells. Public pro firearm figure gets investigated for various wrongdoings.
Kinds smacks of what happened to my dad. He sent a letter of protest to Clinton and within 6 months was audited by the IRS. Years later we heard that Clinton used the IRS to attack anyone who disagreed with him.
speedysst
03-21-2013, 18:31
Its very possible that they are collecting evidence to present to a grand jury. That or the investigation is still ongoing.
centrarchidae
03-21-2013, 18:35
The only way out now is to pay all the taxes and penalties immediately and claim accounting oversight.
That would have kept him out of jail last time as well, when he was chiefing that one police department in South Park while as a guest of Ted Mink.
And to think, all of those financial-services commercials that they air on televised golf games have to say, "Prior performance is no guarantee of future performance."
Edited to add:
Quoth WETWRKS:
Frankly guys...like Rich or not...this scenerio smells. Public pro firearm figure gets investigated for various wrongdoings.
A lot of us know Rich Wyatt personally. A few of us have done business with him. At least one person in this thread worked for him once.
That's why I have absolutely no trouble at all with believing the accusations. Maybe there's some Obama-directed lightning at work (Obama and the IRS playing dirty Chicago-style games? Say it ain't so!), but it went straight for the lightning rod.
Kinds smacks of what happened to my dad. He sent a letter of protest to Clinton and within 6 months was audited by the IRS. Years later we heard that Clinton used the IRS to attack anyone who disagreed with him. [ROFL2] If that were the case, the IRS would still be busy. Unless your dad was personally involved with Clinton, it is pretty myopic to think he would come after your dad.
First off...how many people who have 6 unregistered MGs are still out walking around free? ...I saw him in his shop just last night. And this is where the break-in comes in. What if he was tipped about the IRS raid and needed to "lose" some unregistered firearms?
Is Rich Wyatt related to Dragonman, by chance?
StagLefty
03-21-2013, 19:28
Wonder what Peter Boyles thinks of his buddy now?
Or Martino endorsing him all the time ?
If they thought he had unregistered mgs I would think they would have searched his home, and any storage units in the family name as well.
RCCrawler
03-21-2013, 20:24
Or Martino endorsing him all the time ?
This morning on Martino Rich called in to help with a gun question and after they were done Tom asked him if there was anything he'd like to talk about, Rich said "no, why?" Tom said "Have you read westword today" Rich said no, he hadn't read it yet. He sounded genuine that he didn't know anything about the article.
jerrymrc
03-21-2013, 20:55
This morning on Martino Rich called in to help with a gun question and after they were done Tom asked him if there was anything he'd like to talk about, Rich said "no, why?" Tom said "Have you read westword today" Rich said no, he hadn't read it yet. He sounded genuine that he didn't know anything about the article.
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[Flower]
Is it that unusual for a business owner to file income taxes that low? I don't think it is.
I was hoping that place would get theirs! [Muaha]
sneakerd
03-21-2013, 21:19
He's done man. They're going to chew him up and spit out what's left in a few years.
He came to our campus for a dinner a few months back... Rich asked if I would like to talk to him (after finding out I was one of the gunsmithing students), I said no, and laughed as I walked away.........
Kraven251
03-21-2013, 22:14
The show itself was largely staged. Like the majority of the shows on Discovery, these days are staged to some degree.
1. There isn't a workshop in or under the main store
2. Many of the guns, silver, motorcycles, hookers traded on the show for other shit, were never sold, never part of any collection, was really just TV
3. Rich actually is a fairly knowledgeable gunsmith, but he has diarrhea of the mouth so often you don't know what is real or what is shit.
4. The guy does have money, though there is a real chance the IRS is going to take it for a ride.
I know people that really like the guy. I have had 5 different conversations with the man. Two of them were really positive, three of them caused me to wonder what planet he lived on.
the reality is the lines of fact and fiction have been so blurred with the guy, and so many people have had completely different expereinces with him, it makes you wonder if he has some sort of personality disorder
Maybe he'll auction off a few family members to get square with Uncle Sam. I should start saving nickels... ;-)
not a fan of gun smoke , its staff , or its business practices
one less shady dealer out there ,not a loss but a gain towards a better community of gun owners
Singlestack
03-22-2013, 06:43
The only contact I ever had with Wyatt was his elbow in my ribs as he and the giraffe pushed by me to talk to his buddy Will from Sons of Guns at SHOT 2012. Just a bit rude...from what others have said, it seems he can be very nice when he wants to be...
Byte Stryke
03-22-2013, 06:47
I generally dislike anyone that tries to bully me, my family or my friends off of public lands while we are doing a range cleanup.
I still remember the production managers face. He told me we had to leave because they were filing "either leave or sign a consent"
Me: "Let's see your Production permit for the national park... How about we call a Ranger and the sheriff to discuss this."
[panic]
Great-Kazoo
03-22-2013, 09:08
This morning on Martino Rich called in to help with a gun question and after they were done Tom asked him if there was anything he'd like to talk about, Rich said "no, why?" Tom said "Have you read westword today" Rich said no, he hadn't read it yet. He sounded genuine that he didn't know anything about the article.
Heard it too. Liek the guy or not (i am in the latter, from way back when) It is possible, being a high profile business, someone, within the co.gov, has a herdon for him and now's the time to strike. Flip side is YOU NEVER FLASH WEALTH IN PUBLIC, IF YOU'RE not able to show 2-3x it as income.
sneakerd
03-22-2013, 09:17
I'm gonna stop by there today- scope the place out and see what's up.
The show itself was largely staged. Like the majority of the shows on Discovery, these days are staged to some degree.
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I know people that really like the guy. I have had 5 different conversations with the man. Two of them were really positive, three of them caused me to wonder what planet he lived on.
the reality is the lines of fact and fiction have been so blurred with the guy, and so many people have had completely different expereinces with him, it makes you wonder if he has some sort of personality disorder
This sounds exactly like a guy I went to college with, back east. He's actually quite smart, but is a habitual exaggerator, if it's not an outright lie. His first impression is always positive to folks who just meet him, so he actually does get some interesting opportunities quite often, but he can never make much out of them because of oral diarrhea. It's always just a matter of time with people like that... I'm certain my old classmate has a personality disorder. Absolutely positive.
Aloha_Shooter
03-22-2013, 10:19
Is it that unusual for a business owner to file income taxes that low? I don't think it is.
^ This. He could well have had a lot of capital outlays for the TV show that he's now claiming as losses since the show wasn't renewed, bad bets on precious metals, etc. The IRS is still going to investigate because the claimed income is so low but it CAN turn out to be legit.
I have no personal experience so will accept others' opinion that he's a schmuck but have no desire for evil things to happen to him or his family. There seem to be a lot more people wanting bad things to happen to him than people who had first-hand bad experiences which seems to me to be a sign of envy; I just thought his TV show was shit and I'd never do business with him.
^ This. He could well have had a lot of capital outlays for the TV show that he's now claiming as losses since the show wasn't renewed, bad bets on precious metals, etc. The IRS is still going to investigate because the claimed income is so low but it CAN turn out to be legit. I have no personal experience so will accept others' opinion that he's a schmuck but have no desire for evil things to happen to him or his family. There seem to be a lot more people wanting bad things to happen to him than people who had first-hand bad experiences which seems to me to be a sign of envy; I just thought his TV show was shit and I'd never do business with him.I get that a business owner could have this going on, but supposedly his name is not on anything. Ok, this is fine too, no business, no income, no taxes. But now explain the house and the condos.
Never met him. Never been there. Sounds like an antisocial personality disorder though. "Sociopath" is the lay term. Some are worse than others. But IMHO, one of their biggest failures, universally, is lack of foresight. They are very hedonistic, in the moment. Under-reporting, illegal mg's, some of the conversations you guys describe (pathological lying intermixed with grains of truth). Firts the bill. They usually have a long history too but people don't realize how hard it is to pull a comprehensive civil and criminal background - fact of the matter is, its impossible. You can never know what someone's history truly is, especially when going into the civil side.
Completely incurable and untreatable, by the way. If you send an antisocial to counseling you just turn them into a better sociopath - better able to fit in. Prison might be a good place.
I hate Sociopaths/antisocial with a passion. Have a lot of experience in spotting them and combating the bullshit. I much prefer male sociopaths over females though. At least the general public recognizes what is wrong with the males. 9/10 LEO, courts, judges, attorneys, old men, etc. will fall for the bullshit from the female sociopaths. - Symptom number one: They are looking for your sympathy. Where males are more aggressive, females are more manipulative, and the older they get the more experience they have. An older, female sociopath is about one of your most experienced cons out there - and they will always slip through the cracks.
I wouldn't say that pulling a comprehensive criminal and civil background is impossible. The documentation is out there; it's just a matter of following the paper trail and having the legal basis for obtaining the information- and the funds and tenacity to get those records.
I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment of female sociopaths. For some reason, nobody ever suspects women until it's too late.
I get that a business owner could have this going on, but supposedly his name is not on anything. Ok, this is fine too, no business, no income, no taxes. But now explain the house and the condos.
$ saved from previous years. Cashing out investments. Inheritance.
$ saved from previous years. Cashing out investments. Inheritance.
The latter two would require a declaration on taxes...
9/10 LEO, courts, judges, attorneys, old men, etc. will fall for the bullshit from the female sociopaths. - Symptom number one: They are looking for your sympathy. Where males are more aggressive, females are more manipulative, and the older they get the more experience they have. An older, female sociopath is about one of your most experienced cons out there
Do you know my wife?
sneakerd
03-22-2013, 13:22
Stopped by there today. Open for business, but much quieter than the last time I was there. Rich's truck was there, but no sign of him. Opened with an argument between a customer and the big counter dude, to be honest, the customer didn't understand why he couldn't order something or get on a list with some definite delivery date for whatever he wanted. Same kind of stuff I hear every day. Customer left in a huff. Same questions, Do you have any 9mm? "We just sold our last box of .40!" The older appraisal guy from the show was there, I eavesdropped on him helping several folks and he does seem pretty off-the-cuff knowledgeable. Cases filled with lots of NIB 3rd Gen Colt SAAs, almost as if someone brought in a collection or "someone" dipped into a safe to fill the showcase. Prices a little high, but not outrageous. fyi
Aloha_Shooter
03-22-2013, 13:24
The latter two would require a declaration on taxes...
Hence the IRS investigation but it's not outside the realm of possibility that he leveraged himself to the hilt to buy all that flashy garbage and really didn't have any income to speak of. I've known plenty of people who were literally living on their credit cards; heck the crash of 2007-2008 revealed tons of people that were living high on the hog but didn't have any real income if they paid their mortgages, loans, etc. Chances are that he's guilty of shady accounting; I'm just saying we shouldn't be passing sentence without knowing the real facts of the case -- keep your feelings about his crappy TV show, questionable business practices and hot-or-not (I'm in the "not" camp) daughter separate from whether or not he's a tax fraud based on his declared income versus flashy house and toys.
Hence the IRS investigation but it's not outside the realm of possibility that he leveraged himself to the hilt to buy all that flashy garbage and really didn't have any income to speak of. I've known plenty of people who were literally living on their credit cards; heck the crash of 2007-2008 revealed tons of people that were living high on the hog but didn't have any real income if they paid their mortgages, loans, etc. Chances are that he's guilty of shady accounting; I'm just saying we shouldn't be passing sentence without knowing the real facts of the case -- keep your feelings about his crappy TV show, questionable business practices and hot-or-not (I'm in the "not" camp) daughter separate from whether or not he's a tax fraud based on his declared income versus flashy house and toys.
Very, very true. :) I'm not a financial investigator, so I would have no idea what would be required.
I was going to give it a "Boo 'effing Hoo". But youse guys pretty much covered it.
as much as I think Gunsmoke is a shady business run by a retard with a 4/10 woman with nice fake tits and a giraffe neck daughter (the son actually seems cool), I don't want to see any gun businesses get the heavy hand of the feds dealt to them. certain circumstances which led to death and injuries when they knowingly went against the law to get people guns, then I have no problem. but with the over-regulation of everything, it is hard to watch a small company get smacked around even one as shitty as gunsmoke.
hghclsswhitetrsh
03-23-2013, 00:18
You're getting soft sniper.
You're getting soft sniper.
Yeah Sorry, let's shut em down and spread their guns and ammo among all of us!
Yeah Sorry, let's shut em down and spread their guns and ammo among all of us!
I second this motion!
blacklabel
03-23-2013, 10:20
I second this motion!
Can we get their logo removed from all of the guns first?
Can we get their logo removed from all of the guns first?
I second THIS motion....
Kraven251
03-23-2013, 11:19
Can we get their logo removed from all of the guns first?
Hey now, if he gets put in the pokey, those guns with his logo will go up in value, then offload them to fanboys and buy a couple new ones.
BushMasterBoy
03-23-2013, 11:53
All the guns will be seized and sold to pay taxes, the funds used to support more IRS agents and ATF agents, plus our newest beloved Department of Homeland Security! Rich Wyatt maybe sorta a dick, but he is pro guns. This attitude is why we are having our rights slowly eroded, we have no solidarity. What we need out there is a website dedicated to news about guns stopping crime. We all see the news about the old lady murdered in her house, but we rarely see where granma cuts a guy in half with a shotgun as he is bludgeoning granpa in a wheelchair. And when some thug is shot by a Home Neighborhood Watch Group member, we let the press crucify him plus even the President of the United States sympathizes with the thug on national television. Can anybody point out a media organization that is pro US Constitution? Like I said before this could be a simple accounting error, especially if they hired some accountant to handle taxes and the firm fails to file properly on behalf of Gunsmoke. Anyways I hope to be able to find a website that shows how many crimes are prevented each day by firearms.
SuperiorDG
03-23-2013, 12:52
All the guns will be seized and sold to pay taxes, the funds used to support more IRS agents and ATF agents, plus our newest beloved Department of Homeland Security! Rich Wyatt maybe sorta a dick, but he is pro guns. This attitude is why we are having our rights slowly eroded, we have no solidarity. What we need out there is a website dedicated to news about guns stopping crime. We all see the news about the old lady murdered in her house, but we rarely see where granma cuts a guy in half with a shotgun as he is bludgeoning granpa in a wheelchair. And when some thug is shot by a Home Neighborhood Watch Group member, we let the press crucify him plus even the President of the United States sympathizes with the thug on national television. Can anybody point out a media organization that is pro US Constitution? Like I said before this could be a simple accounting error, especially if they hired some accountant to handle taxes and the firm fails to file properly on behalf of Gunsmoke. Anyways I hope to be able to find a website that shows how many crimes are prevented each day by firearms.
Government selling guns to the public, never happen.[Dunno]
BushMasterBoy
03-23-2013, 13:46
Government selling guns to the public, never happen.[Dunno]
http://www.treasury.gov/auctions/irs/shks_spor_6349.htm
SuperiorDG
03-23-2013, 14:34
http://www.treasury.gov/auctions/irs/shks_spor_6349.htm
It was meant as irony in reference FandF, but who would of thunk they actually would?
jimbolay
03-31-2013, 15:41
I just saw Rich outside of the Perfect Landing restuarant at Centennial airport this afternoon - he didn't look happy.
Batteriesnare
03-31-2013, 15:58
I just saw Rich outside of the Perfect Landing restuarant at Centennial airport this afternoon - he didn't look happy.
It's his normal look.
Bailey Guns
03-31-2013, 16:51
If I was Rich Wyatt I wouldn't look happy, either.
Kraven251
03-31-2013, 19:13
he may be pro-gun, but he is anti mail order ammunition, fuck him.
funkymonkey1111
03-31-2013, 19:41
I just saw Rich outside of the Perfect Landing restuarant at Centennial airport this afternoon - he didn't look happy.
was he driving the gunsmoke-mobile to his helicopter (maybe to fly 25 miles to buy guns from a guy in larkspur)
clublights
03-31-2013, 19:49
he may be pro-gun, but he is anti mail order ammunition, fuck him.
Why would he be pro mail order ?
He "owns" a local store. he wants you to come buy from him.
Why would he be pro mail order ?
He "owns" a local store. he wants you to come buy from him.
My thought too. [Dunno]
Kraven251
03-31-2013, 20:13
Why would he be pro mail order ?
He "owns" a local store. he wants you to come buy from him.
yeah because his shop stocks so much ammo... might be 1000 rounds in the whole place
funkymonkey1111
03-31-2013, 20:27
Why would he be pro mail order ?
He "owns" a local store. he wants you to come buy from him.
you can be anti-mail order from a business perspective because you want to sell in your brick-and-mortar store. but, to go on the radio and oppose mail-order ammo as a policy position is entirely different.
centrarchidae
03-31-2013, 21:15
Why would he be pro mail order ?
He "owns" a local store. he wants you to come buy from him.
If he wants to throw the rest of us under a bus to get people into his store, he can EaD.
Rich Wyatt isn't pro-gun or pro-2nd Amendment. Rich Wyatt is pro-Rich Wyatt.
Rich Wyatt does not own Gunsmoke. Just an FYI, and it was mentioned in the original article.
And for the record, I hope he goes to prison. Everything that is coming to him, he deserves.
funkymonkey1111
03-31-2013, 21:34
Rich Wyatt does not own Gunsmoke. Just an FYI, and it was mentioned in the original article.
And for the record, I hope he goes to prison. Everything that is coming to him, he deserves.
which is likely why the word owns was in quotes on clublights' post
Rich Wyatt isn't pro-gun or pro-2nd Amendment. Rich Wyatt is pro-Rich Wyatt.
Ding ding ding, WINNER!
clublights
03-31-2013, 22:55
Rich Wyatt isn't pro-gun or pro-2nd Amendment. Rich Wyatt is pro-Rich Wyatt.
Probably the most truth here...
clublights
03-31-2013, 22:55
Rich Wyatt does not own Gunsmoke. Just an FYI, and it was mentioned in the original article.
And for the record, I hope he goes to prison. Everything that is coming to him, he deserves.
Yes hence the "owns"
losttrail
04-01-2013, 05:26
I went into Gunsmoke years ago and was back out the door less than 5 minutes later.
After Rich Wyatt's initial "welcome" speech, I informed him that his name should be "Richard Cranium" and that I would not be spending my $2,000 I had allocated for a 1911 in his shop.
Never darkened his door again.
I found I would never buy from him after the brother went to get a Dan Wesson CCO from him that he priced $300 more than a very good gun store up near the Wadsworth Costco. [Beer] Thank God for being able to shop around before you buy!
generalmeow
04-01-2013, 09:56
This morning on Martino Rich called in to help with a gun question and after they were done Tom asked him if there was anything he'd like to talk about, Rich said "no, why?" Tom said "Have you read westword today" Rich said no, he hadn't read it yet. He sounded genuine that he didn't know anything about the article.
I think I was listening to this segment when Rich called in. I didn't know who it was that Martino was talking to, but I was thinking "man, they're putting this guy up as an expert, and it doesn't sound like he knows anything".
IIRC, some lady called in and said her dad had given her and her brother some guns a few years ago, and the dad had just passed away, and she was wondering if she'd be able to keep them with the new laws "since they were in dad's name". Both Martino and the "expert" he had on were basically saying "I don't think so, there's no paperwork to show that you're the owner. You better talk to an attorney." Just scaring the crap out of this lady.
Martino shouldn't talk about guns, period. He definitely doesn't know what he's talking about, and has no knowledge of or reason to talk about firearms.
Rich Wyatt - total tool. I like Peter Boyles in general, but I can't believe he speaks favorably of Rich Wyatt and can't see through the facade.
wctriumph
04-01-2013, 10:06
I first met Rich when his shop was in a old house on Wadsworth. He worked with me and I bought a Colt 1911 at a good price (less than Jax or RMSH were selling for) and got a box of Hornady self defense ammo, a soft case and a CCW class all part of the deal. I have done other business with Rich and I don't have any problem with him. He has always been straight up with me and on occasion we have agreed to disagree. I like his various collections of older military firearms. That being said, I would never allow my guns to be smithed at Gunsmoke. No offense intended but he hires his smiths straight out of school and I just don't want my guns worked on by a smith that is not experienced in the art.
If he is in trouble, well I am sure that it is his own doing and I wish him and his family the best.
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