View Full Version : Road rage + Gun Use Scenario in North Carolina
http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/Carteret-County-Deputies-Searching-For-Road-Rage-Suspect-After-Shots-Fired-199787001.html
Couple follows teens home after the teens had cut them off... driver from couple throws first punch, gets his ass beat, then wife brings out the gun... couple is in trouble. What do you think?
(didn't see this posted already)
ETA video link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MqZfSnUjGrk
couple is probably in trouble, horn, finger, move on with life.
The only grey area is, did driver back off after getting his ass handed to him and the teens pursue/continue. At least here that would turn the teens into aggressors for round 2.
couple is probably in trouble, horn, finger, move on with life.
The only grey area is, did driver back off after getting his ass handed to him and the teens pursue/continue. At least here that would turn the teens into aggressors for round 2.
Not according to the current info. The video shows most of it, but not all:
"Deputies say what's not seen on the video is the husband firing several rounds into the pickup truck as he left."
IMO the husband is completely on the hook for escalating things way out of proportion to a common road incident. I think the only possible grey area was the wife bringing out the gun initially while her husband was getting a complete 2-against-1 beat down. Hard to blame her for using that to bring that part of it to an end.
GlockDog47
03-26-2013, 08:52
should grow up.the couple are jackasses .
Yep, just because you pick a fight that you can't win doesn't give you the right to continue that fight with a gun.
buckshotbarlow
03-26-2013, 09:32
Mr and Mrs Turner are idiots for following them, u just don't do that sh#t...What would of happened if it was a pissed off badger driving instead of a couple of teens? Mr Turner would of had more than a black eye...
Mr and Mrs Turner are idiots for following them, u just don't do that sh#t...What would of happened if it was a pissed off badger driving instead of a couple of teens? Mr Turner would of had more than a black eye...
My concern would be if someone followed a gun owner who the second had an angry man approach draw down... Knowing now that they had a gun in their car it could have turned out really bad. Serves this guy right. Ass beating and now possible charges...
jackthewall81
03-26-2013, 11:34
My concern would be if someone followed a gun owner who the second had an angry man approach draw down... Knowing now that they had a gun in their car it could have turned out really bad. Serves this guy right. Ass beating and now possible charges...
If the teens where carrying and drew on the man, I'm sure he would of backed up. But, I think the ass beating was much better. What an idiot that guy is and he has probably done that stuff before.
Guy had that beat down coming! If you walk into a fire wearing gasoline pants... you are gonna get burned!
Rights are not void of responsibilities. As a responsible gun owner... he had a duty to avoid that situation and NOT escalate it like he did!
BushMasterBoy
03-26-2013, 12:22
Well this is so educational. If this happens to you, just call *277 (CSP) or 911. Never chase the asshats down. Now if they chase you to your house...
Yep, just because you pick a fight that you can't win doesn't give you the right to continue that fight with a gun.
Well this is so educational. If this happens to you, just call *277 (CSP) or 911. Never chase the asshats down. Now if they chase you to your house...
^ding ding ding^ winners. The couple is in the wrong IMO.
Yup, couple is in the wrong. However I think the gun would have been a non-issue for the most part if she had just used it to break up the 2 on 1. The husbands actions once he had the gun were clearly aggressive when it apears that the situation was over. Shooting the truck was plain over the top stupid.
Aloha_Shooter
03-26-2013, 13:17
I never count on the media to get the facts of a case right, especially in a climate like now when they're desperate to show "guns r bad" universally but I would probably vote to convict the couple IF the story being recounted is correct and complete. Then again, I'd have voted to convict George Zimmerman if what NBC had shown was complete and correct -- but it wasn't. I'd also give Mark Kelly a medal for pulling a dangerous dog off a seal if the story being told by most of the press was complete and correct -- but it isn't.
I never count on the media to get the facts of a case right, especially in a climate like now when they're desperate to show "guns r bad" universally but I would probably vote to convict the couple IF the story being recounted is correct and complete. Then again, I'd have voted to convict George Zimmerman if what NBC had shown was complete and correct -- but it wasn't. I'd also give Mark Kelly a medal for pulling a dangerous dog off a seal if the story being told by most of the press was complete and correct -- but it isn't.
The video is pretty convincing and I'm guessing they have the video of the shooting piece they're just not showing it. I wish there was some video of the Zimmerman shooting.
Added direct link to video at top of thread.
Yeah that guy will face serious charges. Had the teens had guns the guy would be dead and possibly the wife. Guy is lucky all they did was beat his ass.
rockhound
03-27-2013, 08:47
You cant fix stupid
Who was filming it?
One of the other teens sitting in back of the truck.
soldier-of-the-apocalypse
03-27-2013, 10:17
I say the old man is a dumb ass and his stupid fucking wife is even dumber. Lets see, who would you chose to win the fight a fat 40 year old or 2 physically fit 18 year olds? He is a dumb fuck and he is about to lose his rights just because he couldnt keep his cool while driving on the road with all the other dumb fucks.
You cant fix stupid
Sure you can... but it's a permanent fix... [Coffee]
Maybe it's just me but being a responsible gun owner who is in possession of a firearm I tend to go out of my way to AVOID these situations for fear that it could escalate knowing full well it would end with someone being killed. It seems to me that following someone home after a road rage incident would be the opposite of this. Assuming we have all the proper evidence (lord knows I've made 'judgments' in the past with evidence deliberately withheld) I hope they are punished HARD to make an example for the rest of us. The antis already think that this is how ALL gun owners respond to these incidents so the last thing I want is to give them 'proof' that they're 'right'. Most people I associate with do NOT look for confrontation because they're carrying and this is exactly what anti2A people think of us as a whole. Due in large part to incidents like this. Remember, it's not the times that violence against law abiding citizens is avoided thanks to firearms that's reported.
The antis already think that this is how ALL gun owners respond to these incidents
-sad but true.
Maybe it's just me but being a responsible gun owner who is in possession of a firearm I tend to go out of my way to AVOID these situations
It's my understanding that most of us here share this same tactic... I would hope!
rustycrusty
03-27-2013, 11:51
This guy just kicked all of us in the nuts.
I hope not a dime of anything I've donated goes to this guys defense. I feel bad for the wife... For many reasons, but I guess stupid gets stupid.
And now we get to pay for his lengthy trial and incarceration.
Idiot.
"Couple follows teens home after the teens had cut them off" Go looking for trouble, you got. Dumb shit!
This guy just kicked all of us in the nuts.
I hope not a dime of anything I've donated goes to this guys defense. I feel bad for the wife... For many reasons, but I guess stupid gets stupid.
And now we get to pay for his lengthy trial and incarceration.
Idiot.
I don't blame her for getting the gun upon seeing her husband getting his ass handed to him, but if it weren't for him she wouldn't have been put in that position in the first place.
Teens cut you off - nothing is damaged, no one is hurt -- pump your fist and say "damn kids, get the F off my lawn!" and move on like everyone else.
I don't blame her for getting the gun upon seeing her husband getting his ass handed to him, but if it weren't for him she wouldn't have been put in that position in the first place.
Teens cut you off - nothing is damaged, no one is hurt -- pump your fist and say "damn kids, get the F off my lawn!" and move on like everyone else.
Perfectly acceptable response to that kind of behavior... You tell 'em Walt Kowalski! [Beer]
Maybe it's just me but being a responsible gun owner who is in possession of a firearm I tend to go out of my way to AVOID these situations for fear that it could escalate knowing full well it would end with someone being killed. It seems to me that following someone home after a road rage incident would be the opposite of this. Assuming we have all the proper evidence (lord knows I've made 'judgments' in the past with evidence deliberately withheld) I hope they are punished HARD to make an example for the rest of us. The antis already think that this is how ALL gun owners respond to these incidents so the last thing I want is to give them 'proof' that they're 'right'. Most people I associate with do NOT look for confrontation because they're carrying and this is exactly what anti2A people think of us as a whole. Due in large part to incidents like this. Remember, it's not the times that violence against law abiding citizens is avoided thanks to firearms that's reported.
So your a no to the RSVP to walk down dark alley ways with $100s hanging out of your pockets?
[dig]
This guy took this way to far. Self control man. [dig]
Yep, the couple is in for a long, costly defense...which will most likely end bad for them. If I followed every jack-hole that drove like an idiot around me, I would go broke filling up my gas tank. As it has already been mentioned, take a deep breath, yell loud expletives inside the car (unless little one is present), continue on your destination. If you are dead set on trying to piss in their wheaties, call local LE and report them. Don't follow, don't escalate the situation, or you could end up right where these two jack-wagons are. But as these two have learned, if you play stupid games...you win stupid prizes.
RonMexico
03-27-2013, 15:57
Too bad the teens didn't jack him up more! I'm guessing his truck has a nice dent in the door too.
This stupid wife doesn't even know how to hold a firearm, I was waiting for an AD the whole time.
Yep, the couple is in for a long, costly defense...which will most likely end bad for them. If I followed every jack-hole that drove like an idiot around me, I would go broke filling up my gas tank. As it has already been mentioned, take a deep breath, yell loud expletives inside the car (unless little one is present), continue on your destination. If you are dead set on trying to piss in their wheaties, call local LE and report them. Don't follow, don't escalate the situation, or you could end up right where these two jack-wagons are. But as these two have learned, if you play stupid games...you win stupid prizes.
Exactly! I encountered it today coming back from Lunch- idiot driver who didn't know what a green arrow means (gave him the horn, nothing more), then drove like a complete jackwagon for the two miles of road where I couldn't pass him (15 in a 30 and seemed like he was all over the road). I just yelled real quick before passing, then shook my head at him while I drove by. Then went along my merry way and forgot about it. That's usually how it goes, I don't dwell on it, I don't blow up, I don't overreact to the situation, I just vent quickly and non-destructively and move on. Besides, can't afford to start an altercation- or even get in one- with the costs of lawyers these days.
It sounded like the older gentleman had a child in the back of the car. Near the beginning of his ass whooping it sounds like you can hear a child scream and yell daddy. Not only did they make their children witness a family member getting beat up the wife comes out with a gun and pottentially could have exposed her children to seeing someone being shot/murdered and scarred them for the rest of their lives. SMH
hollohas
03-27-2013, 18:34
Husband got a well deserved beat down and now he will get well deserved jail time. Glad the kids didn't get shot.
After watching this video it made me wonder. What happens if you start a fight and later realize that you're in over your head and are about to get killed. Use your gun and probably go to jail or die with honor?
Who knows how far these kids would have gone if the gun hadn't come out but you never know.
If I had some intractable, red-faced road rager like that following me, it would be a coin toss as to whether there would be a call placed to state patrol, or we just end up driving into a nice private undeveloped cul-de-sac in the woods. But I damn sure wouldn't lead them back to my house.
After watching this video it made me wonder. What happens if you start a fight...
You start a fight and wonder what would happen if you killed the guy? Cereal? Pretty tough to prove self defense when you start the fight.
A good rule of thumb is to avoid trouble and by all means don't seek it out or start it. Just carrying a firearm is enough responsibility and potential liability w/o looking to get into trouble.
You start a fight and wonder what would happen if you killed the guy? Cereal? Pretty tough to prove self defense when you start the fight.
A good rule of thumb is to avoid trouble and by all means don't seek it out or start it. Just carrying a firearm is enough responsibility and potential liability w/o looking to get into trouble.
THIS! Don't start none, won't be none... Besides, I don't start fights, but if need be, I'll finish 'em.
If we could only have Star Trek phasers, set on "stun"......
If we could only have Star Trek phasers, set on "stun"......
Or more places to dispose of the bodies.
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