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http://www.nbc11news.com/home/headlines/Hunters-begin-boycott-over-Colorado-gun-laws-200217681.html
We all knew it was gonna happen.
kawiracer14
03-27-2013, 13:12
Not surprising. Why wouldn't people head to Utah or Wyoming? They don't have to worry about being in the state with guns for more than 72 hours...
Good, more animals for me and hopefully it will wake some folks up
I am with sniper this is a good thing. There will be more tags for all of us,we wont get shafted with preference points.
brokenscout
03-27-2013, 13:50
Less "hunters" shooting at me.lol. Fuck Public lands
junglerot
03-27-2013, 14:57
I am with sniper this is a good thing. There will be more tags for all of us,we wont get shafted with preference points.
Talk about short sighted...
soldier-of-the-apocalypse
03-27-2013, 15:05
GOOD boycott colorado
Talk about short sighted...
Please explain
Please explain
Think about this Sniper- What are CO's biggest tourism industries? 1. Skiing, 2. Hunting, 3. Fishing. What happens when people stop coming to CO or even traveling within CO to hunt? You get mom and pop B&Bs, restaurants, etc. feeling the hurt from the reduced business. They can't blame the hunters, so they go after the legislators that put these idiotic laws in place. After about a few dozen or so angry business owners come banging at your door, you start to think that maybe you're not looking out for the state's best interest as an elected official... Or that's the intended consequences of a hunting boycott.
GlockDog47
03-27-2013, 16:07
Less "hunters" shooting at me.lol. Fuck Public lands
+1
DSB OUTDOORS
03-27-2013, 16:17
As long a Colorado Parks and Wildlife don't start jacking up our prices for tags, I'll be OK with it. But any more Habitat stamps to validate a fricking licence I'm gona be pissed.
osok-308
03-27-2013, 16:20
Maybe I can actually bag my elk this year!
tmjohnson
03-27-2013, 17:17
Ronin13 makes a good point
I would think local hunters would be the ones boycotting CO hunting.
I'm seriously considering not buying a fishing license this year (the first time in 15 yrs). The less money I can give the state of CO the better.
bigun1962
03-27-2013, 17:52
You forgot the weed and wedding tourist. I quit hunting here 2 years ago. This is the most ridiculas place to hunt I have ever participated in. Wyoming, Nebraska and Missouri like my money. I will continue to support those wildlife departments.
DavieD55
03-27-2013, 17:53
I would think local hunters would be the ones boycotting CO hunting.
I'm seriously considering not buying a fishing license this year (the first time in 15 yrs). The less money I can give the state of CO the better.
Yep. Less revenue for less bureaucracy and wasted funds. You'll know what I mean when revenue that is supposed to go to the management of wildlife, when you start seeing gigantic shrines of meaningless art in our state Parks.
bowhunter
03-27-2013, 18:01
Yep I am going to hunt WY and Nebraska and fish WY. I will not give this state shit. Unless your a pickle puffing pot head illegal you should not be buying anything from the state.
For you dimwits, small towns like Craig, Kremmling and others rely on out of state hunters. So this is going to hurt them real bad. On the other hand they may be able to start a small protest that elected officials might listen too.
But doubtful.
All we can hope is that those currently in office will be booted. And if you think less hunters in the woods is gonna make a difference in your chances,,, keep dreaming.
stevelkinevil
03-27-2013, 18:38
As long a Colorado Parks and Wildlife don't start jacking up our prices for tags, I'll be OK with it. But any more Habitat stamps to validate a fricking licence I'm gona be pissed.
And what exactly do you think a democrat controlled state gov will do to make up the revenue? thats right, jack up the fee's on locals. Nothing about this is good except to hopefully teach the idiot dems and Fudds here a lesson.
jerrymrc
03-27-2013, 18:38
If enough people refuse to buy tags the normal response is to raise the "Fee" to make up for lost income. Once you raise the price for a tag enough that the fudds start to howl then you point them to the dominoes that started it all.
Just like those stupid people in the ads that claim how they are all for the new laws (because they do not think it will affect them) well once the trickle down gets far enough.....
We all know the 2nd is not about hunting but this might be the time to bring attention on how the new laws WILL impact hunters.
Just a thought.
streetglideok
03-27-2013, 18:45
Think about this Sniper- What are CO's biggest tourism industries? 1. Skiing, 2. Hunting, 3. Fishing. What happens when people stop coming to CO or even traveling within CO to hunt? You get mom and pop B&Bs, restaurants, etc. feeling the hurt from the reduced business. They can't blame the hunters, so they go after the legislators that put these idiotic laws in place. After about a few dozen or so angry business owners come banging at your door, you start to think that maybe you're not looking out for the state's best interest as an elected official... Or that's the intended consequences of a hunting boycott.
+2 on that. We should not be rewarding the state with our money after they just passed these laws. Yes the wildlife department is a division of the state, and as such, represent the problem. Guides, hotel and motel owners, diners, etc all need to be up there telling Denver these laws are wrong, and how they will hurt the hunting industry. Perhaps if all of these people were behind us, there might have been a difference. For the same reasons I will not hunt in kalifornia, or new yuck, or grace them with my tourism dollars, I will not do the same in kolorado for hunting. I will discourage anyone I know as well. We need to demonstrate the money impact we have here. Cutting off our hunting dollars, especially the out of state hunters, will make a noticeable impact.
Remember folks, united we stand, divided we fall. Right now, the gun grabbers are banking on us being divided.
Think about this Sniper- What are CO's biggest tourism industries? 1. Skiing, 2. Hunting, 3. Fishing. What happens when people stop coming to CO or even traveling within CO to hunt? You get mom and pop B&Bs, restaurants, etc. feeling the hurt from the reduced business. They can't blame the hunters, so they go after the legislators that put these idiotic laws in place. After about a few dozen or so angry business owners come banging at your door, you start to think that maybe you're not looking out for the state's best interest as an elected official... Or that's the intended consequences of a hunting boycott.
+1.
Fuck 'em. I refuse to give any more of my money to this state unless I absolutely have to. People may not realize just how much money is pumped into this state during hunting season. I spend on average $1k every season between my deer and elk hunts. I'm sure the out of state guys spend much more than that. If enough hunters don't show up, their absence (aka their $$$) will be noticed.
I'm going to miss being out in the field this year, but something has to give. I have contacted all of my out of state hunting buddies and tried to convince them to not come here this year, and also to let the DOW know why they aren't coming.
ChunkyMonkey
03-27-2013, 19:17
Unfortunately, libtard will turn Denver/Colorado into another Detroit and still claim it's a victory for social justice.
Aloha_Shooter
03-27-2013, 19:55
I am with sniper this is a good thing. There will be more tags for all of us,we wont get shafted with preference points.
^^^
And this is how we got here. Barack Obama got into office and stayed in office because of dimwits that only cared about what they got personally and to hell with the Constitution or taking a stand for what's right.
gnihcraes
03-27-2013, 20:48
I'm sorry, but I think the state needs to feel the hurt. It will affect many businesses, especially small ones. My family and friends have several businesses related to hunting, and they will feel it. The economy is in the tank for these related businesses right now. Not sure they will feel much more of a loss.
I could possibly be affected by it as a government worker of this state. But we're already in a bad spot now. Same situation, can it be worse? Yes, but how much more, little room left to lose more.
I'm still applying for my tags, and will go hunt if successful in the draws.
Biggest thing that will hurt me is the fuel cost. A few hundred miles @ 12mpg X $4.00 gallon. OUCH! [Rant1]
spittoon
03-27-2013, 20:56
Unfortunately, libtard will turn Denver/Colorado into another Detroit and still claim it's a victory for social justice.
This^^^^ the dam truth
junglerot
03-27-2013, 21:08
Please explain
Basically what Ronin started with. Alot of people are going to feel the pain from the lost revenue to the state. But screw them, right? As long as it makes it easier for you to get your tag.
spqrzilla
03-27-2013, 21:28
Out of state hunter boycotts hurt more than you think. The CPW charges out of state hunters a far larger fee for big game tags. So a single out of state hunter boycotting hurts like a dozen of locals not buying.
Do what you like but I'm not giving up my hunting privledges voluntarily. You should boycott buying any guns and ammo in CO as well along the same lines. Dont do any classes with our guys on the board, etc. You are only hurting the people that we need on our side forcing them out of the state or looking for a new job. Heck, you should boycott cabelas, bass pro, gander, jensens, MGT, bear arms, and all the rest of them. Make them feel the pain for the recent legislation as well. They pay taxes to Colorado. Make them feel the hurt so they will call their legislators.
If you honestly think hickenlooper, the democrats, or any of them give a flying fuck if you spend your money on hunting here or not you are sorely mistaken. You will see them and the media claim it as a victory for reduced gun sales, accidents, or whatever other bs they come up with.
They will counter that money with pot tourism, the increased taxes they are going to get from those people, the California people moving in. Wait until the people who rely on hunters and and their money (who just so happen to be our people) can't afford to stick around in this state. Then the California folks can buy up the nice mountain properties. That will be nice....
Again, have fun with your boycott, I'll be up in the mountains hunting this season.
Oh and don't forget how your monetary impact will make the democrats cringe....just like how they gave a flying fuck about magpul and the $85 million they were on track to dump into Colorado this year. You don't get that they don't give a shit about you, the money you spend, the gas you save, the tags you didn't buy. They will Charge you more "fees" on your license plates, more gas tax on your fuel, extra conservation stamp fees, and then be excited more animals are alive and they can employ professional officers to control the populations and feed the homeless.
hurley842002
03-27-2013, 22:16
Although I don't have a dog in the hunting fight (haven't been hunting in about ten years), I'm with Sniper on this. Not just the points he made, but how much are some of you willing to suffer in order to try and prove a point, to a group of people that don't give a sh$t if you hunt or not, in fact most of these fruit cakes would prefer we left Bambi alone.
hurley842002
03-27-2013, 22:18
Damn Sniper basically beat me to it lol
There is little point in boycotting one thing in the state, if you aren't leaving the state all together. Unless you put that money aside and do not spend it AT ALL, or spend it on a cruise or other out of state vacation, chances are that money is still going to get spent here. A hunting boycott is akin to posting on Facebook that everyone should not buy gas next Wednesday. Or boycotting Wal-mart and then shopping at Costco.
As others have pointed out, out of state hunters boycotting Colorado hunting is more likely to be noticed. They are bringing in money that would not otherwise be spent here.
DavieD55
03-28-2013, 07:17
Yep I am going to hunt WY and Nebraska and fish WY. I will not give this state shit. Unless you're a pickle puffing pot head illegal you should not be buying anything from the state.
+1 Here is to the rest [goFyourself]
streetglideok
03-28-2013, 07:26
Aww heck, I'm going to do what everyone else says and throw in the towel. It wont make a difference, so I'm going to just vote straight democrat ticket in 2014 just 'cause it wont make a difference. That is what I'm seeing.
losttrail
03-28-2013, 08:10
The Marxists in Denver could care less about a hunting boycott. If CPW/CDOW doesn't get enough revenue, they will raise license fees on residents.
Remember, they believe guns, ALL GUNS, are bad. They want all guns confiscated from the citizens. That is their ultimate goal.
Non-resident hunters staying out of Colorado is fine since they won't be bringing their "evil guns" into Colorado. Resident hunters not hunting is fine since the "evil guns" won't be out in public.
The recently signed gun control laws are just the beginning. They are laws targeting law-abiding citizens and have nothing to do with crime.
losttrail
03-28-2013, 09:29
I do HATE the idiotic "one week" or 9 day hunting seasons in CO. Having grown up in MT with 4 or 5 week seasons, I got spoiled.
Rust_shackleford
03-28-2013, 09:42
Maybe I can actually bag my elk this year!
No you will not
speedysst
03-28-2013, 12:22
Sniper hit it on the head. The only ones that will be affected are the small businesses that depend on the hunting tourism, the people who most certainly do not support the laws and the counties that have publicly refused to enforce the new laws. The state doesn't give a crap. They'll still get their money one way or the other.
I have already told my family out of Missouri that it is not safe to bring their guns here. It is not acceptable for there to be no consequences to these laws. Yes it will hurt people like those in Craig and for that.... It is not right. Here is the issue. Craig was specifically brought up in Senate testimony as 'going to be hurt'. If they are not, it will only embolden the current string of egomaniacs to think they were right. This will be lauded as a great success that should be carried out to other western states. It sucks. It sucks for the people of Craig, for CO gun owners and for our children who will grow up thinking this is normal. If we don't feel some pain now, this will feel like a stubbed toe compared to where this could go.
centrarchidae
03-28-2013, 18:47
There were innocent bystanders in Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki, too. Doesn't mean we were wrong for flattening them, given the alternatives.
1) It's flatly not safe for an out-of-stater to bring a gun into Colorado, as of 7-1-13. Maybe Justin Smith or John Cooke or Terry Maketa can refuse to enforce the new laws. However, what those three gentlemen say is binding upon only their own agencies, and does not affect anything done by Colorado Springs PD, or Fort Collins PD, or Greeley PD, or the State Patrol, or the CDPW (or whatever they're calling themselves this week.) In short, no cop takes orders from the sheriff in any county in Colorado, save for his own deputies, and no prosecutor takes orders from the sheriff either, and God help the sheriff who refuses to accept a prisoner to serve a sentence imposed by a judge.
2) The legislature and Guv Hickenritter have declared that out-of-state hunters are not welcome here. Why the hell should anybody from Oklahoma or Iowa or North Cackalacky go and spend his vacation time and his money in a state where he's not welcome? I damn sure wouldn't, and I especially wouldn't do anything that results in that state getting any tax revenue.
Stupid SHOULD hurt, gentlemen. We (meaning Coloradan gun owners in general) were stupid last year. And elections have consequences.
You guys change your minds yet?
There were innocent bystanders in Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki, too. Doesn't mean we were wrong for flattening them, given the alternatives.
I'm sorry to derail, but I had to read this comment about 4 times to ensure I wasn't seeing things. Given the alternatives!? Oh so you'd rather those "innocent bystanders" in Hiroshima and Nagasaki be spared and best estimates 1.5 MILLION people be dead as the result of a U.S. invasion of the Japanese mainland? I never thought any of the decisions made to try to bring the worst conflict in human history to an end quickly were "wrong." You sound like one of those war protesting, tree hugging, patchouli smelling, hippy libtards.
Inconel710
03-29-2013, 10:34
I'm sorry to derail, but I had to read this comment about 4 times to ensure I wasn't seeing things. Given the alternatives!? Oh so you'd rather those "innocent bystanders" in Hiroshima and Nagasaki be spared and best estimates 1.5 MILLION people be dead as the result of a U.S. invasion of the Japanese mainland? I never thought any of the decisions made to try to bring the worst conflict in human history to an end quickly were "wrong." You sound like one of those war protesting, tree hugging, patchouli smelling, hippy libtards.
Ronin - read it again. You missed the part where he said innocent bystanders didn't make it wrong.
I'll be moving before elk season and I will NOT be coming back to hunt. It's not worth it.
Ronin - read it again. You missed the part where he said innocent bystanders didn't make it wrong.
[facepalm]Need more coffee!
I'm already planning on my hunting trip for the year... Hog hunting in TX.
Do what you like but I'm not giving up my hunting privledges voluntarily. You should boycott buying any guns and ammo in CO as well along the same lines. Dont do any classes with our guys on the board, etc. You are only hurting the people that we need on our side forcing them out of the state or looking for a new job. Heck, you should boycott cabelas, bass pro, gander, jensens, MGT, bear arms, and all the rest of them. Make them feel the pain for the recent legislation as well. They pay taxes to Colorado. Make them feel the hurt so they will call their legislators.
If you honestly think hickenlooper, the democrats, or any of them give a flying fuck if you spend your money on hunting here or not you are sorely mistaken. You will see them and the media claim it as a victory for reduced gun sales, accidents, or whatever other bs they come up with.
They will counter that money with pot tourism, the increased taxes they are going to get from those people, the California people moving in. Wait until the people who rely on hunters and and their money (who just so happen to be our people) can't afford to stick around in this state. Then the California folks can buy up the nice mountain properties. That will be nice....
Again, have fun with your boycott, I'll be up in the mountains hunting this season.
^^^^^THIS
I do not understand how you have convinced yourselves that boycotting a shooting sport will in some way benefit the sport of shooting. Where's the logic in that?
Fine, I get that you intend to withhold govt revenue. But doing it through the boycott of a sport the govt does not want you to participate in is about the stupidest idea I have ever heard.
wARmachine15
03-29-2013, 13:06
I'm sure it is because you don't get that it hurts the state government through lost revenue. Being able to demonstrate the lost tax income and tourism dollars (for out of staters) that is a result of the Dems actions could be huge if presented right at election time.
I'm sure it is because you don't get that it hurts the state government through lost revenue. Being able to demonstrate the lost tax income and tourism dollars (for out of staters) that is a result of the Dems actions could be huge if presented right at election time.
What will be presented at election time is: "In 2013, there was a 50% decline in hunting licenses purchased in Colorado. The statistics show that Colorado is no longer a pro-gun state. We now have the demographics on our side and the stats to prove it. Move on."
Genius!
Aloha_Shooter
03-29-2013, 13:20
Translation: "I want my elk dammit, fewer rich greedy out-of-staters mean more for me so nevermind showing the Dems that we were right when they ignored predictions about how it will hurt the Colorado economy."
Drastically hurting your own local hunting industry in order to marginally injure the State Legislature, is an absolutely perfect example of "cutting off your nose to spite your face."
What a brilliant idea!
What will be presented at election time is: "In 2013, there was a 50% decline in hunting licenses purchased in Colorado. The statistics show that Colorado is no longer a pro-gun state. We now have the demographics on our side and the stats to prove it. Move on."
Genius!
I think you're a little off... I see it the way that warmachine posted, there will be ads saying that such and such is down 40% since these laws passed, and to offset that, the democraps need more TAXES! Our tourism industry will be hurt and it will be a great stick to poke the Dems in the eye with, because they're responsible for this. How would you suggest we hurt the dems image? Call them liars and say that they voted party lines? Yeah, good luck pointing that out to the average low-information voter. Show them that our state is being hurt by these laws, they're more likely to pay attention.
ETA: I already stated how if they get hurt by this, the businesses affected by the boycott would go after the dems. More on our side.
colorider
03-29-2013, 13:29
Ronin ,
just got back from a hog hunt in Texas. What a kick in the butt.
Bailey Guns
03-29-2013, 13:30
I'm sure it is because you don't get that it hurts the state government through lost revenue. Being able to demonstrate the lost tax income and tourism dollars (for out of staters) that is a result of the Dems actions could be huge if presented right at election time.
You're assuming the democrat legislature and governor care about lost revenue. The party of higher taxes on everyone through gov't mandates doesn't give a flying fuck about lost revenue. They care about power. As long as they have the power they have the means to raise revenue to compensate for lost revenue.
I think you're a little off... I see it the way that warmachine posted, there will be ads saying that such and such is down 40% since these laws passed, and to offset that, the democraps need more TAXES! Our tourism industry will be hurt and it will be a great stick to poke the Dems in the eye with, because they're responsible for this. How would you suggest we hurt the dems image? Call them liars and say that they voted party lines? Yeah, good luck pointing that out to the average low-information voter. Show them that our state is being hurt by these laws, they're more likely to pay attention.
ETA: I already stated how if they get hurt by this, the businesses affected by the boycott would go after the dems. More on our side.
The "average low-information voter" will believe whatever spin the Dems put on the cause of lost revenue. These same voters will re-elect based on gay "rights" and weed. The effects of a hunting boycott will not enter their mind.
Hello, "The businesses affected by the boycott" are ALREADY ON OUR SIDE. So why the hell are you out to hurt them? How many small businesses who rely on the hunting industry will have to close up shop? How many employees of hunting industry businesses will get laid off? And you think these unemployed pro-gun individuals will somehow appreciate you for causing this? WTF!!!!!!!??????[Mad]
Inconel710
03-29-2013, 13:41
Well, I'll officially be "out of state" by then, Colorado won't be getting any of my hunting $$$ this year.
Probably a fishing licence. I can see us going fishing before we go, but no hunting.
The "average low-information voter" will believe whatever spin the Dems put on the cause of lost revenue. These same voters will re-elect based on gay "rights" and weed. The effects of a hunting boycott will not enter their mind.
Hello, "The businesses affected by the boycott" are ALREADY ON OUR SIDE. So why the hell are you out to hurt them? How many small businesses who rely on the hunting industry will have to close up shop? How many employees of hunting industry businesses will get laid off? And you think these unemployed pro-gun individuals will somehow appreciate you for causing this? WTF!!!!!!!??????[Mad]
Calm down, slick... I'm not out to hurt anyone- the Democrats already did that. I support them just as much as the next guy, but you show the average people how much these laws hurt (you think they'll just close up shop or have reduced income and no one will notice?) and they'll start waking up, if only just a little. And some of these businesses aren't on our side- some sit on the fence. Again, you're laying blame in the wrong direction- I didn't cause any of this, the democrats in our general assembly did, or if you want to get to the root cause, those who voted for those dems did.
I'm done, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
wARmachine15
03-29-2013, 13:46
You're assuming the democrat legislature and governor care about lost revenue. The party of higher taxes on everyone through gov't mandates doesn't give a flying fuck about lost revenue. They care about power. As long as they have the power they have the means to raise revenue to compensate for lost revenue.
Raise revenue to compensate for lost revenue? Wuh?
Tax is revenue. You know that right?
These are some big $$$ amounts. I hope we can hit them where it will be noticed - in their wallets/purses!
This is from a 26 Nov 2012 article located on Summit Daily.com: http://www.summitdaily.com/article/20121126/NEWS/121129893
"Economic Impact:
$403,700,000: Amount big game hunting pumps into the Colorado economy each year.
$3 billion: Overall economic impact of hunting, fishing and watchable wildlife tourism.
$28.7 million: Hunting's dollar impact on Eagle County's economy annually."
"Big-game hunting pumps $403.7 million into the state economy each year, according to a report from BBC Consulting. Overall, hunting, fishing and watchable wildlife tourism has a $3 billion impact.
The same report found that hunting pumps $28.7 million dollar into Eagle County's economy annually.
Visitors flock to Western Colorado for big-game hunting seasons, generating their annual $1.5 billion in economic impact.
Hunting, fishing and wildlife watching creates 20,000 jobs around the state, second only to skiing's $2 billion annual economic impact, according to Colorado Parks and Wildlife officials."
...It's a damn shame we can't encourage all of the people who come here (or who are already here) to hunt/fish/wildlife watch to just go somewhere else. It would be damn near impossible to make up that kind of revenue loss.
Democrats = pain.
Sorry folks, but the state has voted for a lot of Dems and thus we are going to get a lot of pain. If you want someone to be angry with over that, confront a Dem voter--"get in their faces."
I don't blame the boycotts one bit.
Hey guys, remember that time that policies put in place by Democrats directly caused the largest recession since the Great Depression, and both people and governments were effected for several years afterward? Then all the Dems were shown the ills of their ways and voted out of office? That will surely happen here with this tiny loss at the state level. Right?
I'm betting this is one of them there vegetarian plots to save Bambi.
bowhunter
03-29-2013, 14:31
You guys go ahead and support them, reaffirming their stance that "normal" gun owners are ok with all this.
Bailey Guns
03-29-2013, 16:37
Raise revenue to compensate for lost revenue? Wuh?
Tax is revenue. You know that right?
Yeah, I know that. You need me to draw a picture?
Translation: "I want my elk dammit, fewer rich greedy out-of-staters mean more for me so nevermind showing the Dems that we were right when they ignored predictions about how it will hurt the Colorado economy."
+1
wARmachine15
03-29-2013, 17:12
Yeah, I know that. You need me to draw a picture?
No, you just need to act like you understand simple concepts.
I'm sure it is because you don't get that it hurts the state government through lost revenue. Being able to demonstrate the lost tax income and tourism dollars (for out of staters) that is a result of the Dems actions could be huge if presented right at election time.
So why did they not give a shit about magpul?
Bottom line is they want guns, hunting, and our type of people out of the state. Would you do something to get rid of all the liberal minded folks in our state. Damn right I would. This is what they are doing, you are complying. Best thing to do is flood the place with conservatives, carcasses dangling, guns showing with a big middle finger telling them we don't give a shit what they say or do. Go back to your shantys
wARmachine15
03-29-2013, 22:57
Because they are too simpleminded to realize the economic avalanche this could create. Magpul leaves, big deal. A Magpul oursourcer leaves, big deal. Outdoor Channel pulls shows..hmm...big deal. Hunters won't travel here to hunt or come during ski season... shit this is getting real and tax dollars are suffering. That's a way bigger economic kick in the nuts than just Magpul leaving. And the point I was making before is guess who else gets pissed? Voters (from both parties) whose businesses are jobs are being affected. Boycotts are just one more way to attack.
Why aren't skiers coming here?
Because they are too simpleminded to realize the economic avalanche this could create. Magpul leaves, big deal. A Magpul oursourcer leaves, big deal. Outdoor Channel pulls shows..hmm...big deal. Hunters won't travel here to hunt or come during ski season... shit this is getting real and tax dollars are suffering. That's a way bigger economic kick in the nuts than just Magpul leaving. And the point I was making before is guess who else gets pissed? Voters (from both parties) whose businesses are jobs are being affected. Boycotts are just one more way to attack.
So you are telling me you really believe they will care if hunters Dont show up, less guns of mass destruction are within the state borders. They will raise tag prices, increase ohv and boat permit costs since Dow and parks combined. Increase entrance fees. Plus have pot tourism to make up the lost revenue and they got an end result of more liberal minded people in the state and less conservative hunters with the same revenue.
And how are skiers affected? Is there a limit on the length of skiis or snowboards?
wARmachine15
03-30-2013, 10:00
Because if hunters (or any 2A people) are also skiers they would boycott ski season as well. And if the Dems start losing tax revenue at huge levels they will sell out their principles in a heart beat especially if their own constituents who might be affected by boycotts are pressuring them too.
Holy crap this is too tough here. Really simple stuff. It's the totality of the circumstances not one individual thing which is why you're not picking up the skier analogy.
You can be right, giving up on demonstrating the big picture to small picture thinkers.
Well, hunters are also drivers, they eat, they shop, they pay property taxes here, they put their kids in schools here. Along the same lines we should boycott those things too. Leave the state all together. Let the liberals have it. That will teach them a lesson....reminds me of new York or California. Those states are just begging for conservatives to come back to rescue them.
Well, hunters are also drivers, they eat, they shop, they pay property taxes here, they put their kids in schools here. Along the same lines we should boycott those things too. Leave the state all together. Let the liberals have it. That will teach them a lesson....reminds me of new York or California. Those states are just begging for conservatives to come back to rescue them.
Not sure I can find a bigger canvas than that for you big picture thinkers....
streetglideok
03-30-2013, 12:33
This all about fulfilling the liberal prophecy, and that is we lack the stomach to make the sacrifices in order make others take notice, no matter how small. Too many are not willing to skip a year of hunting in this state in order to make a political statement. This is why the liberals are having such luck in pushing their agenda. They'll boycott a business or support one that supports their agenda. They'll camp out for months and not work in our parks. We simply are too weak to mount boycotts and protests more than a few weeks. I'm going to get flamed, but hey the truth hurts. In 2014, we're all going to roll over and re-elect the same idiots who did this because we are too afraid to walk the walk.
Not boycotting is the same as voting D? The Democrats run on a platform of hurting the state, and hurting the country, and spending money they don't have. It doesn't matter if the state losses money, if they never had a regard for how much money the state had in the first place.
This all about fulfilling the liberal prophecy, and that is we lack the stomach to make the sacrifices in order make others take notice, no matter how small. Too many are not willing to skip a year of hunting in this state in order to make a political statement. This is why the liberals are having such luck in pushing their agenda. They'll boycott a business or support one that supports their agenda. They'll camp out for months and not work in our parks. We simply are too weak to mount boycotts and protests more than a few weeks. I'm going to get flamed, but hey the truth hurts. In 2014, we're all going to roll over and re-elect the same idiots who did this because we are too afraid to walk the walk.
Oh, I get it now. I am too much of a pussy to boycott the firearms industry; the very industry I want to save.
WTF!?
Who the hell came up with this idea anyway? If I felt skiers were being picked on, would it make any sense at all to boycott the ski industry?
Why don't you pick a liberal industry to boycott instead of the one you say you want to save?
Personally, I boycott gay bars. I expect them to all go out of business soon.
This all about fulfilling the liberal prophecy, and that is we lack the stomach to make the sacrifices in order make others take notice, no matter how small. Too many are not willing to skip a year of hunting in this state in order to make a political statement. This is why the liberals are having such luck in pushing their agenda. They'll boycott a business or support one that supports their agenda. They'll camp out for months and not work in our parks. We simply are too weak to mount boycotts and protests more than a few weeks. I'm going to get flamed, but hey the truth hurts. In 2014, we're all going to roll over and re-elect the same idiots who did this because we are too afraid to walk the walk.
They boycott things they do not like. I like hunting. I like guns. I like fishing. I like the pro gun bars with dead animals in them. Why in the hell would I boycott them, and go camp in a park and watch the very things I like fail?
brokenscout
03-30-2013, 18:43
Tags will be easier, but I see the cost going up.
Hey, the boycott thing worked back east when the largest sports exhibition said they wouldn't be allowing Modern sporting rifles (ar types) to be displayed, all the vendors and sportsmen pulled out and the community lost 44M.
divideman
03-30-2013, 20:18
This will only matter if it hurts a D company who has friends at the state level. Then we can expect some changes.
Hey, the boycott thing worked back east when the largest sports exhibition said they wouldn't be allowing Modern sporting rifles (ar types) to be displayed, all the vendors and sportsmen pulled out and the community lost 44M.
Exactly. They boycotted the offending party directly. I have no problem with that.
Last I checked, the DOW, and the greater hunting industry in general, was not fighting against us on the 2nd Amendment.
Boycotts are great. They can be effective. But first, you have to pick the right target.
Hey, the boycott thing worked back east when the largest sports exhibition said they wouldn't be allowing Modern sporting rifles (ar types) to be displayed, all the vendors and sportsmen pulled out and the community lost 44M.
I would agree if this was the Dow telling us we couldn't have standard capacity magazines and have to do background checks etc. but they have been telling us we can't use more than a certain amount of rounds forever...at least as far as I have been hunting, plus a hunters safety license. So we should have been boycotting hunting since that time.
One business that will feel real pain in a boycott works fine, But a government run by democrats that want hunters and shooters criminalized...they don't give a shit.
Mick-Boy
03-30-2013, 23:30
But their constituents might. The point of this boycott is to put the pressure on the State Government through the small businesses in the state. Will it suck for some good folks trying to make a living? Yep. But there are a lot of people that refuse to compromise on the big picture for the little one.
My personal hope is that every single supporter of the 2nd amendment takes their vacation dollars out of state and tells the effected businesses exactly why. Maybe at some point more people will wake up. This whole go along to get along thing is not working.
"Service unavailable" is all that shows on the cdow website....guess some people changed their minds
Byte Stryke
04-02-2013, 04:11
The common perception from this side of the state line is that, if you take a 16 round magazine into CO you get slammed with a felony and lose your 2A. Right or wrong, people are starting to avoid Colorado for a variety of purposes, not just hunting.
Colorado is the new California. "You can go there, just don't take your guns"
Rucker61
04-02-2013, 05:37
But their constituents might. The point of this boycott is to put the pressure on the State Government through the small businesses in the state. Will it suck for some good folks trying to make a living? Yep. But there are a lot of people that refuse to compromise on the big picture for the little one.
My personal hope is that every single supporter of the 2nd amendment takes their vacation dollars out of state and tells the effected businesses exactly why. Maybe at some point more people will wake up. This whole go along to get along thing is not working.
I would suspect that most of the constituents affected by a boycott don't vote Democrat.
bowhunter
04-02-2013, 06:30
I would suspect that most of the constituents affected by a boycott don't vote Democrat.
I wouldnt bet on it. Hardest hit are gonna be the small motels in Estes, Waldon etc, gas stations, restaurants, gift shops, bars, mechanics, etc. A lot of these businesses make more during hunting season then the rest if the year, but also I know a few of those owners who moved here to escape california yet continued to vote the same way.
I would suspect that most of the constituents affected by a boycott don't vote Democrat.
It's too bad that these laws were passed at the state and not local level. The reaction should also be at the state level.
Some of the laws passed are very ambiguous. Would you be willing to take the risk while on vacation that your magazine with a removable floorplate is "illegal"?
n8tive97
04-02-2013, 07:38
I'm not saying this is a bad idea, but do you think this will actually work? I see the state sticking to us hunters and selling more out of state tags for $550 vs. $49 for residents, that's a hell of allot more revenue. My .02....
I'm not saying this is a bad idea, but do you think this will actually work? I see the state sticking to us hunters and selling more out of state tags for $550 vs. $49 for residents, that's a hell of allot more revenue. My .02....
That alone would enact their own measure for a boycott. When you make something too expensive for anyone to enjoy, you'll see a huge backlash. I see it going like this-
Boycott, state starts to see the economic impact. To offset the negative impact they raise the fee for tags. Even less purchase tags, economic impact worsens. To offset this, they raise taxes. Public gets pissed. Voters enact change.
Ideally, that's how it would work, now if it actually works out that way I can't say.
Aloha_Shooter
04-02-2013, 11:21
So here's something RMGO or CSSA or another state organization could help us with. Compile a list of 2A-friendly, 2A-hostile and 2A-neutral companies in Colorado. I'd like to know what companies sponsored Morse, Hickenlooper, Hudak et al and what companies have fought this stupid legislation. Also, of the companies that gave to Hickenlooper and cronies, which ones were donating to both sides just keep from being trampled; I saw several businesses that seemed to donate to the likely winner in a given district (and sometimes to more than one in a district) regardless of political stance or affiliation. Perhaps they're worried about liability as trade to certain businesses dries up so they'd only want to publish the "pro" side and let us assume anyone not on the list is at best neutral.
Bailey Guns
04-02-2013, 12:22
DOW is reporting strong sales of non-resident tags.
DOW is reporting strong sales of non-resident tags.
Of course they are, most hunters I've met are all for the ban of "Assault Rifles" and high cap mags. They are too stupid to see the long term.
buckshotbarlow
04-02-2013, 15:19
Here's where i'm at...
Big game yes, i'm buying a tag because 51 is in my back yard and I can't pass that up...
small game/fish nope, fuck em all...I'll go goose hunt and spend my money in NorthPlatte and kill a shit load more geese in less time. Plus the road trip gives me time to spend with my old man...
DOW is reporting strong sales of non-resident tags.
I'm sure they are "reporting" strong sales.
kidicarus13
04-02-2013, 16:18
I'm sure they are "reporting" strong sales.
I have no reason to believe that they aren't reporting accurately. All of the pre-election polls showed Obama ahead and gues what? He won by a sizeable amount. All of the conspiracy theorists stated that the polls were a ploy and Romney was actually ahead and the media was just hyping their candidate. I'm not naive enough to always believe the media just as I'm not gullible enough to beleive all of the conspiracy theorists.
Just talked with an outfitter bud of mine on the western slope. He says DOW may just be covering their ass because chickenshitterlooper is in charge, and since he combined LOSER parks and recreation with Winning DOW then there is the reason for deception.
He said he has had at least a dozen cancellations so far. and the majority of OUT OF STATE hunters come to buy over the counter tags, so DOW is full of shit, and small towns like Kremmling, Craig, Yampa and others will lose alot of revenue.
Bailey Guns
04-02-2013, 17:09
Well, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the hunting "boycott" won't have a big impact. The attention span for the average person just isn't long enough. July 1 will come and go, and so will the out of state hunters in the fall. Personally, I think generally there's too much apathy in the population at large. The "you don't need 30 rounds to kill a deer" mentality is alive and well, even among some "pro gun" folks and most people just won't care that we can't buy 16 round mags in Colorado when they're drinking beer in hunting camp.
Byte Stryke
04-02-2013, 17:12
DOW is reporting strong sales of non-resident tags.
I also saw a report of Elvis working at a starbuck is Tuscaloosa
Bailey Guns
04-02-2013, 17:16
I guess we'll know when we look at final totals for hunting tags purchased vs Elvis sightings.
Off topic, another interesting fact, Anti Hunters buy 10 to 15 % of tags just to keep hunters from getting them.
buckshotbarlow
04-02-2013, 21:44
why do you all need to kill innocent animals...go to the store to buy your meat!
/end of troll/
why do you all need to kill innocent animals...go to the store to buy your meat!
...where it's made and no animals are harmed.
I have a feeling Colorado won'tbe prosecuting out of staters anyway. Lot's of slaps on the wrist I think.
Rucker61
04-03-2013, 03:43
I also saw a report of Elvis working at a starbuck is Tuscaloosa
"Y'all want a fried peanut butter and banana sammich with that capuchino?"
Byte Stryke
04-03-2013, 04:08
I have a feeling Colorado won'tbe prosecuting out of staters anyway. Lot's of slaps on the wrist I think.
Like New York?
You know, because their tyranny is totally different.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/02/pregnant-mom-arrested-in-new-york-for-unloaded-handgun-in-checked-baggage/
The Government of colorado has violated the constitution and the people of colorado in exchange for the scraps from bloomberg's table.
I won't risk it.
The prez is coming to CO today to tout what a great example CO has been for the rest of the country. I'm sure everyone will want to come here as a result. We're awesome.
According to the media, "Colorado is a Leader"
In what?
Gay's
Illegals
Pot heads
losttrail
04-03-2013, 07:30
According to the media (Pravda), "Colorado is a Leader"
In what?
Gay's
Illegals
Pot heads
There, fixed it.
The majority of today's 'media' is simply the publicity are of the Marxist agenda.
There, fixed it.
The majority of today's 'media' is simply the publicity are of the Marxist agenda.
Like what Rosen said- the Media is the audio/visual department of the Democratic Party.
spqrzilla
04-03-2013, 09:24
Off topic, another interesting fact, Anti Hunters buy 10 to 15 % of tags just to keep hunters from getting them.
Not really. There was an attempt by some PETA fanatics to do this a decade or two ago. But they figured out that it does not work, because the Division just sells more tags.
Not draw tags. They apply, get them and then it takes away the quota for that unit.
Like New York?
You know, because their tyranny is totally different.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/02/pregnant-mom-arrested-in-new-york-for-unloaded-handgun-in-checked-baggage/
The Government of colorado has violated the constitution and the people of colorado in exchange for the scraps from bloomberg's table.
I won't risk it.
Heh, I wasn't saying that to encourage people to come here, just what I think the first season will look like.
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