View Full Version : Type of gun used?/Rhonda "Rap Sheet" Fields misspoke about gun that killed her son.
mikedubs
04-03-2013, 08:00
I was not in-state when the Javad Marshall-Fields shooting happened, and I haven't found anything definitive on the interwebz. This morning I heard an interview with Rhonda in which she states that her son's car was riddled with bullets from an "assault rifle".
Is there any truth to this? I was under the impression that pistols were used.
Could she really be lying about this, of all things?
Is there any truth to this? I was under the impression that pistols were used.
Could she really be lying about this, of all things?i always thought the same thing and i wouldn't put it past her
Jeffrey Lebowski
04-03-2013, 08:18
Someone who can't pronounce the state she lives in is unlikely to be able to determine the difference between a pistol and an assault rifle. I'm sure to her, they are one and the same.
Troublco
04-03-2013, 08:21
I remember a little bit about this shooting. It was in Aurora, if I remember right, and I thought that a pistol (or pistols) was what was used.
I dug into some of the old articles about this case, and none of them mentioned type of weapon used, or even what type of bullets were recovered. Nothing. Knowing how the media likes to sensationalize the use of their favorite "Assault weapons", I'd say odds are it was handgun(s).
Great-Kazoo
04-03-2013, 08:27
Stolen ones!
They were hand guns.
Byte Stryke
04-03-2013, 08:31
Silly peasant, it doesn't suit the agenda...
it was whatever the party says it was... just like in newtown
ChuckNorris
04-03-2013, 08:32
Found this story about the murder, doesn't look like an assault rifle was used in my opinion:
The Owens case started with a July 4, 2004 party at Aurora's Lowry Park, at which Gregory Vann was shot and killed after confronting several drunken and disruptive guests, who drove away from the scene after the shooting occurred.
Marshall-Fields identified an Owens acquaintance named Robert Ray as the driver of the get-away car.
And, although he couldn't provide police Owens' name as the shooter, he did say he would recognize the gunman if he were to see him again.
Ray was charged as an accomplice in the Vann murder. And, as the scheduled June 27, 2005 trial date approached, pressure was put on Marshall-Fields not to testify.
Hower told jurors that Marshall-Fields was offered a $10,000 bribe not to appear for trial.
At the same time, Hower claimed, Owens also put word out of the street that a $10,000 bounty was available to anyone who simply eliminated Marshall-Fields.
When friends told Marshall-Fields he should consider his own safety and perhaps not show up to testify against Ray in Vann's murder, jurors were told, Marshall-Fields insisted, "I have to. Greg would have done it for me."
Marshall-Fields and Wolfe were both killed by .45-caliber bullets fired into the driver's side of the Monte Carlo in which they were riding.
Clusters of .45-caliber and 9-millimeter casings - and a New York Yankees hat - were found in the street, where the shooting occurred.
The prosecution said Tuesday that Owens' DNA was found in the Yankees hat, but the defense pointed out there was other DNA found in it as well - and, that there was no way to establish how or when Owens' DNA ended up in the hat, or who was wearing the hat before it ended up at the murder scene.
Tuesday's lengthy opening statements were watched closely by Rhonda Fields, the mother of Marshall-Fields, and several close friends and family members.
"I'm extremely saddened because it's been about three years since I've heard the opportunity to touch or to see Javod and Vivian, and so that saddens me," she said.
"I'm also very anxious about this whole entire process. But it's a pivotal step to getting justice in the name of Javod and Vivian, as it relates to murder and witness intimidation and killing."
Public defender Laurie Kepros told the jury that as many as 10 critical prosecution witnesses are people who had been facing criminal troubles of their own, and cut deals with the prosecution to win leniency - and were therefore not credible.
She also emphasized that the prosecution is going to trial without key pieces of evidence - the murder weapons and the car Owens was allegedly riding in when he pulled the trigger have never been recovered - and that Hower was therefore asking them to draw many conclusions not supported by physical evidence.
"There's a story-teller in this case. He's in the courtroom. And," Kepros said, pointing to Hower at the prosecution table, "he's sitting right there."
A convicted felon, now dictating law to us peons, and she doesn't know the difference between guns just that they are all assault weapons.
And where did she get all he $$$ ? From her embezzling tactics? Alot of corruption in the state government.
I suppose, technically, if you assault someone with a firearm doesn't that make the handgun or rifle an "assault weapon"?
45 and 9mm. Obviously handguns, not assault rifles.
She is lying. Who was doing the interview? Would like to track this down.
HBARleatherneck
04-03-2013, 09:09
9mm and 45
Chuck, we need the link to where you found the story too. We can email this to everyone we can.
found it.
http://off2dr.com/smf/index.php?topic=3158.0
Someone who can't pronounce the state she lives in is unlikely to be able to determine the difference between a pistol and an assault rifle. I'm sure to her, they are one and the same.
[ROFL1]
Very true... She's an idiot, and has no place being in any kind of government position of power. Now what does that say for the people who voted for her? [facepalm]
Pretty much the whole of America is lumped into the idiot form.
They need someone to tell them what when and where all the time.
And our supreme leader want's it that way.
HBARleatherneck
04-03-2013, 09:20
it says they were probably in the food stamp line and the ballot were stuffed.
it says they were probably in the food stamp line and the ballot were stuffed.
Which would be fine and dandy if her and all those people were quarantined to their own lil crack-addicted, baby-selling, motherless ghetto. Unfortunately their voting is affecting a much larger scale than it should.
mikedubs
04-03-2013, 09:49
She is lying. Who was doing the interview? Would like to track this down.
On NPR at about 0730 this morning. National, not Colorado PR interviewing about Obama coming here today, Colorado as a leader in gun reform, yada, yada
griebel303
04-03-2013, 09:50
Man this lady is such a joke. She just can't quit. She sure does love to play into the agenda though. Tell the media whatever they want to hear
mikedubs
04-03-2013, 09:53
FOUND IT
http://www.npr.org/2013/04/03/176098278/outrage-alone-wont-advance-gun-control-measures
The radio report is almost verbatim compared to this written report.
The offending statement:
The Aurora shooting also reopened personal wounds for Fields. Seven years earlier, her son was shot to death shortly after he graduated from Colorado State University. "His car and him and his fiancee were riddled with an assault rifle. So I understand the violence and how murder is just a horrible thing, when someone is suddenly taken away from you," she says.
JFC and WTF [Mad]
I heard that as well.
I just want to point out that regardless of his mother's overall shittiness, it seems he was trying to do the right thing.
KestrelBike
04-03-2013, 11:30
What a sick fucking pathetic bitch to use her dead son as a tool to further a political agenda.
I heard that as well.
I just want to point out that regardless of his mother's overall shittiness, it seems he was trying to do the right thing.
Agreed. Too bad he was in the place, with the people, to have gotten involved in the first place. But he didn't deserve his death sentence. Nor does he deserve to have his murder not only used as a campaign for laws that would not have stopped his murder in even the wildest of fantasies, but also straight-up lied about.
Is this a typical back peddle maneuver after lying and getting caught?
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22963863/colorado-rep-rhonda-fields-i-misspoke-by-saying?source=rss (http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22963863/colorado-rep-rhonda-fields-i-misspoke-by-saying?source=rss)
ChuckNorris
04-05-2013, 14:30
Is this a typical back peddle maneuver after lying and getting caught?
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22963863/colorado-rep-rhonda-fields-i-misspoke-by-saying?source=rss (http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22963863/colorado-rep-rhonda-fields-i-misspoke-by-saying?source=rss)
Yeah she and Degette both misspoke. But they are experts in their field.
Legends in their own minds!
Gcompact30
04-05-2013, 14:32
YEP I agree with you Zulu01, she lied and got caught.
I doubt she knows the difference between an assault rifle and a vibrator.
Rooskibar03
04-05-2013, 14:44
Eight 9mm casings and 6 .45 found at scene. So explain how a 15 round limit would have saved her gang banger sons life?
Maybe if she had been a better member of society and raised her son properly he wouldn't have been running with the kind of people who will gun you down in the street.
Just saying.
buffalobo
04-05-2013, 14:47
Even when they get caught lying it doesn't matter, their followers have already drank the kool aid and ignore and justify the back peddle.
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kidicarus13
04-05-2013, 14:51
Eight 9mm casings and 6 .45 found at scene. So explain how a 15 round limit would have saved her gang banger sons life?
Maybe if she had been a better member of society and raised her son properly he wouldn't have been running with the kind of people who will gun you down in the street.
Just saying.
Too obvious. Sorry, can't accept that logic.
SuperiorDG
04-05-2013, 14:57
They say what ever they want, regardless of fact, and the sheep lap it up and produce the polls the progressives want.
theGinsue
04-05-2013, 15:00
According to the Arapahoe County District Attorney's office, two guns were fired at the couple — a .45 semi-automatic weapon and a 9mm semi-automatic weapon. A total of 14 shell casings — eight 9mm and six .45 caliber — were found at the scene. The .45 caliber bullets are what killed Marshall Fields and Wolfe, said a spokeswoman with the district attorney's office.
Hmm. Chances are the .45 cal firearm used to kill her son held fewer than 10 rounds. So, her big push for "high capacity" magazine restrictions wouldn't have made one bit of difference in the death of her son by gang-bangers.
The facts are something that the liberal anti-gun movement don't allow to interfere with their agenda. Start by attacking easy firearm targets like evil "assault rifles" and "high capacity clips", then any semi-auto firearm, then remaining handguns and finally mop up what's left over like single-shot bolt action .22's. When they're caught in their lies and intentional sensationalistic mis-information they simply state that they "mis-spoke", knowing the intended damage is already done. It's like telling someone to think about a red-polka dotted pink elephant, then telling them NOT to think about a red-polka dotted pink elephant - you "mis-spoke". Once the idea is out there - real or not - people will think about it. They know what they're doing & they're doing it well.
http://www.facebook.com/representativerhonda.fields?fref=ts
She must have someone working full time on deleting posts from her facebook page. They don't last very long if they dont further her agenda.
Jesus-With-A-.45
04-05-2013, 15:29
Eight 9mm casings and 6 .45 found at scene. So explain how a 15 round limit would have saved her gang banger sons life?
Maybe if she had been a better member of society and raised her son properly he wouldn't have been running with the kind of people who will gun you down in the street.
Just saying.
Ding....Ding.....Ding......Motherfucking Winner!!! She was a worthless cunt as a mother & now as a democrap.
"My son was killed with an assault weapon!" - Page 1.
"Well, really, I'm not sure what kind of firearm it was." - Page 12, if mentioned at all.
That's all she cares about -- page 1 news. The retraction is non-news.
O2
lowspeed_highdrag
04-05-2013, 15:57
It wouldnt matter if she was a former thief, it wouldnt matter if she lied about what happened to her son, it wouldnt matter if she didnt know what she was talking about at all. All that matters is her agenda fits in line with Obama and his media army.
Great-Kazoo
04-05-2013, 16:23
Eight 9mm casings and 6 .45 found at scene. So explain how a 15 round limit would have saved her SON FROM gang bangers?
Maybe if she had been a better member of society and raised her son properly he wouldn't have been running with the kind of people who will gun you down in the street.
Just saying.
Get it right he wasn't a gang banger. Once again. Know what you're talking about. The left does the same shit with misinformation day in day out.
Get it right he wasn't a gang banger. Once again. Know what you're talking about. The left does the same shit with misinformation day in day out.
Just wondering here since you seem to know and the facts of his involvement seem to be hard to find with my limited search on the net. What did he do to piss those killers off? From what I have read, he was involved (not saying he did anything illegal) with the people who ended up killing him. I guess there was a drug deal that went south and he ended up turning those guys in and his death was the retaliation. Can you fill in the blanks at all?
Great-Kazoo
04-05-2013, 16:46
Just wondering here since you seem to know and the facts of his involvement seem to be hard to find with my limited search on the net. What did he do to piss those killers off? From what I have read, he was involved (not saying he did anything illegal) with the people who ended up killing him. I guess (Wrong)there was a drug deal that went south and he ended up turning those guys in and his death was the retaliation. Can you fill in the blanks at all?
SERIOUSLY?????????? You have no clue what transpired after all this time.
He and his girlfriend were at a party and witnessed his friend being shot. He ID'd the shooter and was willing to testify against him. MO offered him $10 large to shut up and not testify. Being a man and having integrity (unlike his mother) he said NO. SO MO puts a $10 K bounty on them.
3rd search item down from top on first yahoo search.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/prosecutors-seek-death-penalty-in-witness-murder
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_15025133
http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2008/06/death_to_sir_mario.php
But if you want an ideal candidate for the death penalty, you could probably do worse than Sir Mario Owens. Marshall-Fields was slated to testify against Owens and associate Robert Ray in a previous homicide; prosecutors had no trouble making the case that the ruthless execution of a witness and his fiancée is an execution-worthy crime. Ray, who's also facing death, is scheduled to go to trial this summer.
AND HERE. 1/2 way down.http://www.ar-15.co/threads/97581-Type-of-gun-used
Looking at her Facebook, she's certainly self-congratulatory. I don't recall seeing such a blatant case of "I'm SO AWESOME!" in a long time. She's also taking credit for making Colorado MORE safe, and using Tom Clement's death as a soapbox. It's fucking revolting.
Yea I can't even read anymore about her if I want to keep my lunch down.
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I tipped off the Denver Post reporter about Fields' lies. He wrote an article on it. She "misspoke".
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22963863/colorado-rep-rhonda-fields-i-misspoke-by-saying
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
Oh, and DeGette doubled down on Fields' lie in her LtE this morning:
http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_22956534/degette-politics-gun-violence-prevention
And after I pointed it out to the reporter, the Post even put a new header on DeGette's letter, noting Fields' lie!
10mm-man
04-05-2013, 18:15
http://www.ar-15.co/threads/97957-Rhonda-quot-Rap-Sheet-quot-Fields-misspoke-about-gun-that-killed-her-son
Guys, I want to shout out to Mikedubs. He brought this up yesterday. Based on the links he posted, I took this to the appropriate reporter at the Post, who followed up with the story linked here as well as the correction/clarification on DeGette's LtE.
We have to keep this stuff in the forefront if we want to win. Don't let politicians slide on such things.
mikedubs
04-05-2013, 18:23
Now the next battle is Obama's comment at the DCCC fundraiser that stated that Lanza used a fully automatic weapon.
People will forget if you let them...like when the Prez dug up the graves to parade the dead kids around as a shaming.
Rucker61
04-05-2013, 19:24
Now the next battle is Obama's comment at the DCCC fundraiser that stated that Lanza used a fully automatic weapon.
People will forget if you let them...like when the Prez dug up the graves to parade the dead kids around as a shaming.
That one, and when he said (they all say) that the Aurora theater shooter killed and wounded all of those victims with an assault weapon, ignoring the shotgun and handgun.
theGinsue
04-05-2013, 19:42
Get it right he wasn't a gang banger.. Once again. Know what you're talking about. The left does the same shit with misinformation day in day out.
No, we have no evidence that he was a gang-banger, that doesn't mean he wasn't one. While I doubt he was one, since he was at a party also attended by gang-bangers, he was clearly "known to associate with criminal street gang members". That statement is 100% true and puts the same biased twist on the situation that the libs & lame stream media put towards us. Fair is fair!
No, we have no evidence that he was a gang-banger, that doesn't mean he wasn't one. While I doubt he was one, since he was at a party also attended by gang-bangers, he was clearly "known to associate with criminal street gang members". That statement is 100% true and puts the same biased twist on the situation that the libs & lame stream media put towards us. Fair is fair!
I looked this up. Apparently he was running some kind of festival. There was an altercation in the parking lot - someone was trying to leave and was blocked in or cut off by someone else. Words were exchanged, shots fired. Fields' son saw what happened. He was willing to testify under the threat of death. Sounds like a legitimately good kid. Certainly disparaging him scores us no points, and gives the left something to distract from the real issues (Fields lying about her son's murder weapon, and more broadly the inefficacy of gun laws in reducing violence).
Great-Kazoo
04-05-2013, 21:29
I looked this up. Apparently he was running some kind of festival. There was an altercation in the parking lot - someone was trying to leave and was blocked in or cut off by someone else. Words were exchanged, shots fired. Fields' son saw what happened. He was willing to testify under the threat of death. Sounds like a legitimately good kid. Certainly disparaging him scores us no points, and gives the left something to distract from the real issues (Fields lying about her son's murder weapon, and more broadly the inefficacy of gun laws in reducing violence).
I posted links in a reply to KAPA, who has yet to "chime in" since he has no clue or no ambition to "find the story" Anyone can be at a party when the cops or other agencies show up. Just because you are in the same place does not mean you're part of the problem. YES Guilt by association destroys a lot of peoples reputations.
However being man enough to do what was right and costing him his life looks more like a citizen them some skel. Unfortunately his "Mother" is riding the dead kids coat tails towards what she "thinks" will solve the problem.
IF (key word) IF someone spent time and money i feel (call it a hunch) She may (could) be tied in with a fairly deep criminal element with her doing their bidding. Tin Foil, Maybe?? Who knows.
Not many people get popped that many times and walk w/out a guardian angel. PROVIDING the media took it's head out of it's ass and actually did something, other than assisting the Left, destroying the country, the Constitution and Gun owners.
The last I heard (that might not be correct) that handguns were used in the Ct school shooting and not a firearm with a high cap mag. Seems that all firearms are being classified as "assault weapons"
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