Gun Control Template ?

[brokenscout]

http://news.msn.com/world/australias-gun-controls-a-political-template-for-the-us

[Dingo]

Penalizing decent law abiding citizens for the criminal behaviour of others is unfair, he says. But fuck 'em... I'll do it anyway.

There's a 40 cent solution to so many ills..... (adjusted for panic inflation... used tobe the ol' 13 cent solution.)

[brokenscout]

I think if they try it here it will end poorly. But the Government is already stripping us our Liberty's and no ones doing a thing. So who knows

[muddywings]

http://www.amazon.com/Enemies-Foreign-Domestic-Matthew-Bracken/dp/0972831010/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1365023407&sr=8-1&keywords=enemies+foreign+and+domestic

When/where is the tipping point?

[jhood001]

No mention of the staggering increase of home invasions in Australia since the ban. Interesting, MSN News. Interesting.

[Zundfolge]

When/where is the tipping point?

The thing is that there are TWO tipping points.

Tipping Point 1: The point at which the people get fed up and are motivated do what is necessary to fix the problems.
Tipping Point 2: The point at which the problems are unsolvable without massive upheaval/violence/death (which is never guaranteed to actually fix the problems and often ends up making them worse).


If TP1 happens before TP2 then things can work out great in the end, if TP2 happens first ... well that really really sucks.

[Kraven251]

I don't know anymore. The Pres is going to scream and yell until he is red in the face, not get his way and then do something truly stupid.

I'm so fucking done.

[brokenscout]

We are not Australia, but that's what they are pushing for. It really is such a small few that are trying to dictate our lives. I see the media spin " mentally unstable gun owner killed in shoot out with LEO" the repeat. While everyone stands by and says good job to the LEO cause that guys breaking the law and a threat to "Society". .
The thing is that there are TWO tipping points.

Tipping Point 1: The point at which the people get fed up and are motivated do what is necessary to fix the problems.
Tipping Point 2: The point at which the problems are unsolvable without massive upheaval/violence/death (which is never guaranteed to actually fix the problems and often ends up making them worse).


If TP1 happens before TP2 then things can work out great in the end, if TP2 happens first ... well that really really sucks.

[brokenscout]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323777204578195470446855466.html

[Mazin]

Well first off they are not Americans. We have our constitution and our bill of rights. Second they have no where near the population we do. Third I'm tired of the whole "input" from foreign nations, keep your nose out of our business or you should be worrying about what happens the next time you need "aid" from The U.S.A.


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[Ridge]

Australian style confiscation wont work here because it violates the 2nd, 4th and 5th amendments. Even people who don't care for the 2nd will still support the others.

[Bailey Guns]

Australian style confiscation wont work here because it violates the 2nd, 4th and 5th amendments. Even people who don't care for the 2nd will still support the others.

Agreed. But I think there's another very important reason it won't work here.

[jhood001]

Agreed. But I think there's another very important reason it won't work here.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQvXxpNDKJvvyOQayMXVvlrfRtuAOuV0 Up7oai2Jz-KvWMuHziXKw

[T.rexford]

This is all taken from the Australian government. Spread it around everywhere! Not sure why there is no data from 2007 and on though??
http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime.html

http://www.aic.gov.au/media_library/publications/facts/2008/2008/fig012.png

http://www.aic.gov.au/media_library/publications/facts/2008/fig003.png

[BigDee]

This is all taken from the Australian government. Spread it around everywhere! Not sure why there is no data from 2007 and on though??
http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime.html

http://www.aic.gov.au/media_library/publications/facts/2008/2008/fig012.png

http://www.aic.gov.au/media_library/publications/facts/2008/fig003.png

I'm on my phone right now and don't care to find it but there is data beyond 2007. The murder rate in Australia has declined sharply since 2007 but the cause has long been up for debate. Prior to the gun buy back gun crime was declining substantially in Australia, after the buy back there was an upswing followed by a decline. Those who are for the ban say the decline is due to the buy back, those who oppose the ban say the decline was already occurring and the buy back had nothing to do with it.

The reality is that thanks to technology murders are on the decline everywhere. 20 years ago you could kill someone in broad daylight and get away with it. Today there's a good chance you'll get busted for killing someone in the middle of the night in a very remote place thanks to cell phones and surveillance technology. Technology will continue to improve and murder rates will continue to decline. If someone knows they are not going to get away with murder they are a lot less likely to commit murder than if they knew they would get away with it.

As far as a revolution goes... There will be no Revolution in this country. People have it to good in this country, even the poorest of the poor have big screen tv's xboxes and obamaphones. The only way you'll see a revolt is if the government takes away the titty they are feeding the poor with and I don't see that happening anytime soon since those people are quickly becoming the majority of the American voter base and they will continue to vote for the candidate that will give them the most stuff.

[Danimal]

Why did their crime rates decline? I know it is a touchy subject but something to consider. Like the USA Australia decriminalized abortion in the early 1970s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk6gOeggViw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk6gOeggViwD4&feature=player_embedded#!

[BigDee]

Why did their crime rates decline? I know it is a touchy subject but something to consider. Like the USA Australia decriminalized abortion in the early 1970s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk6gOeggViw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk6gOeggViwD4&feature=player_embedded#!

Are you saying black people are more likely to commit crime?

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0101.pdf

[brokenscout]

But this administration doesn't care, they know whats best[Coffee]
Australian style confiscation wont work here because it violates the 2nd, 4th and 5th amendments. Even people who don't care for the 2nd will still support the others.

[T.rexford]

I'm on my phone right now and don't care to find it but there is data beyond 2007. The murder rate in Australia has declined sharply since 2007 but the cause has long been up for debate. Prior to the gun buy back gun crime was declining substantially in Australia, after the buy back there was an upswing followed by a decline. Those who are for the ban say the decline is due to the buy back, those who oppose the ban say the decline was already occurring and the buy back had nothing to do with it.



Interesting. You'd think the government would show the statistics on their own website. I wonder why they don't?

[Ronin13]

No mention of the staggering increase of home invasions in Australia since the ban. Interesting, MSN News. Interesting.
Isn't that typical par for the course though? Look at the UK... they love to point out that gun related murder is down since enacting some of the most strict gun control laws in the EU, but they always leave out the fact that violent crime is the highest of the entirety of the EU, so much so that it's considered the most crime ridden nation in Europe. Of course don't use Chicago as a more local example, that would take all the air out of their argument.

[Great-Kazoo]

Isn't that typical par for the course though? Look at the UK... they love to point out that gun related murder is down since enacting some of the most strict gun control laws in the EU, but they always leave out the fact that violent crime is the highest of the entirety of the EU, so much so that it's considered the most crime ridden nation in Europe. Of course don't use Chicago as a more local example, that would take all the air out of their argument.

It's not an argument. it's the sane and reasonable thing to do.
[ In Obama's voice] it's not about CONFISCATION, IT'S ABOUT EDUCATION.

EDUCATING OUR CHILDREN TO STOP THE SENSELESS VIOLENCE.

EDUCATING ADULTS / PARENTS WHO NEED TO SEE THE LIGHT AND REALIZE HOW BAD GUNS AND THEIR PARANOID BITTER CLINGING WHITE OWNERS ARE.

JEREMIAH WRIGHT MY MENTOR AND GUIDING LIGHT IS CORRECT GDA, GDA, GDA.

[Dingo]

Washington has traitorous politicians, and enough lamp posts to accomodate them all.... shame they're not being put to better use.

[Dingo]

Agreed. But I think there's another very important reason it won't work here.

Afuckingmen.

[brokenscout]

We all know how this will end. This isn't about "common sense" gun legislation, this is about confiscation and control. No matter how hard we fight through political means they will not listen. This is all about the Government controlling the American people. They also know with the 2A still intact, we can defend ourselves.

[rockhound]

I am not sure where this country is headed, i know that it is headed in the wrong direction and how it gets steered back on course is up in arms at the moment, I know that i do not see the ending as being a good thing or necessarily a peaceful thing. i do see economic collapse as a real possibility I do see the cities imploding and the city dwellers will riot, whether that means revolution or not is anyone's guess.

[Dingo]

I am not sure where this country is headed, i know that it is headed in the wrong direction and how it gets steered back on course is up in arms at the moment, I know that i do not see the ending as being a good thing or necessarily a peaceful thing. i do see economic collapse as a real possibility I do see the cities imploding and the city dwellers will riot, whether that means revolution or not is anyone's guess.

The cities will implode as the tit's yanked out of the ghetto's mouth, and we will have large-scale rioting/looting for a few weeks. However, this is exactly what the agenda wants... it will give them an excuse to finally occupy domestically with military forces, and the next generation will be used to the sight of armed soldiers at the grocery store, gas-station ration line, post office etc. Confiscation attempts will occur without legislation, in the name of emergency. When the smoke clears, they will have the police state they've always wanted.

What happens then, will be up to the people pissed off enough about the whole situation... With the welfare voting bloc gone or in locked-down submission, they may inadvertently have shifted the balance a bit more toward the "good side" with what remains. If it can get organized, is another matter...

[generalmeow]

My family has a farm in the middle of nowhere, Australia, and cattle rustlers think nothing of pulling up a few semis and taking $50k worth of cattle from the property. It's happened 2 or 3 times. They are probably armed, and know that we aren't. We haven't had a confrontation with them, but imagine what would happen if we did. We don't really know when they do it, but all of a sudden we're missing a bunch of cattle, and we see the semi tracks at the cattle yards. Yeah, they use our cattle yards to load them up.

They would never, ever do that if they thought we had weapons.

If I had a high powered rifle there, I would strongly consider taking a summer off work and camping in the hills overlooking the area to wait for them. And there would be a few semi-sized holes dug in the ground waiting for them. But - can't get a rifle. I think a chainsaw would be the best weapon we could muster.

[speedysst]

Better to die on your feet than live on your knees I say.


The thing is that there are TWO tipping points.

Tipping Point 1: The point at which the people get fed up and are motivated do what is necessary to fix the problems.
Tipping Point 2: The point at which the problems are unsolvable without massive upheaval/violence/death (which is never guaranteed to actually fix the problems and often ends up making them worse).


If TP1 happens before TP2 then things can work out great in the end, if TP2 happens first ... well that really really sucks.

[brokenscout]

THis
Better to die on your feet than live on your knees I say.