View Full Version : What are you using to clean/lube your AR 15...Im using frog lube but not sure yet
What are you upstanding citizens using to clean and lube your AR 15 rifles? I decided to use Frog Lube since I'm using it to lube and clean my Sig P226. The Sig armorers and my local gunsmith recommended frog lube to both clean and lube by P226. I'm assuming that Frog Lube will work for my POF P415 as well so when I first got the rifle, I broke it down and wiped clean the the BCG, barrel, chamber/ramp and what not and then applied frog lube and also did the same thing after shooting 120 rounds. For what its worth, I fired 120 rounds of mixed PMC XTAC 5.56, Remington .226 and Wolf steel case ammo..I also mixed and matched the different ammo in the same mag. All ran without a glitch, even the Wolf steel case ammo. Not sure if that's just a matter of luck, the POF P415 or frog lube.
Great-Kazoo
04-04-2013, 21:06
Dude, you're new so PLEASE either use the search function AND browse the rest of the forums here. There's numerous info, IF you take the time to look.
I use Hoppe's 9 lubricating oil for mine. Man, I just have to give you a +1 for being the new COAR sponge, you want to learn everything you can and ask those who you believe are experienced in this realm, good for you! Learn all you can, ask tons of questions, and sometimes you really have to just dive in with some trial and error. I would advise against using Wolf ammo, it's dirty and steel cases can potentially expand with the head and cause catastrophic malfunctions (haven't had one yet, but heard many horror stories of guys have bad juju from Wolf screwing up the system and that's why we have folks like Bert- BPTactical- to fix what you broke [Coffee]).
For the record, when I first bought my G22 from Bailey Guns back in '06, I ran four mags of Wolf .40 S&W through it without a hitch before being told don't do that, now I only run Wolf through my AK.
ETA: but, like Jim said, there probably isn't a question you can think of that hasn't been asked 1.6 million times, search. Not sure if I'll get a PM from a Mod, but ARFCOM has some good searches you can run too.
Great-Kazoo
04-04-2013, 21:19
I use Hoppe's 9 lubricating oil for mine. Man, I just have to give you a +1 for being the new COAR sponge, you want to learn everything you can and ask those who you believe are experienced in this realm, good for you! Learn all you can, ask tons of questions, and sometimes you really have to just dive in with some trial and error. I would advise against using Wolf ammo, it's dirty and steel cases can potentially expand with the head and cause catastrophic malfunctions (haven't had one yet, but heard many horror stories of guys have bad juju from Wolf screwing up the system and that's why we have folks like Bert- BPTactical- to fix what you broke [Coffee]).
For the record, when I first bought my G22 from Bailey Guns back in '06, I ran four mags of Wolf .40 S&W through it without a hitch before being told don't do that, now I only run Wolf through my AK.
ETA: but, like Jim said, there probably isn't a question you can think of that hasn't been asked 1.6 million times, search. Not sure if I'll get a PM from a Mod, but ARFCOM has some good searches you can run too.
Dude why not buy him dinner before you fellate him.
Here 3rd topic on ADVANCED SEARCH.
http://www.ar-15.co/threads/59719-Frog-Lube?highlight=frog+lube
Dude why not buy him dinner before you fellate him.
Here 3rd topic on ADVANCED SEARCH.
http://www.ar-15.co/threads/59719-Frog-Lube?highlight=frog+lube
Damn...Thanks for the sage advice and pearls of wisdom. Didn't really know about the search function but ill give it try before asking questions so I can be sure it's never been discussed or better yet I'll ask you to go hunt down the info to be more efficient. And ill pass on the fellatio...got that taken care of by a much prettier source.
Great-Kazoo
04-04-2013, 22:04
Damn...Thanks for the sage advice and pearls of wisdom. Didn't really know about the search function but ill give it try before asking questions so I can be sure it's never been discussed or better yet I'll ask you to go hunt down the info to be more efficient. And ill pass on the fellatio...got that taken care of by a much prettier source.
R13 in drag?
Lighten up francis. Besides i'm filling in for HBar. he's busy dealing with DUPE's
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HoneyBadger
04-04-2013, 22:04
Frog lube is great stuff. I use it on all my guns.
Don't mix steel and brass cased ammo. Generally avoid steel cased ammo if possible, especially in your nice POF415. Steel and Brass expand differently. Brass will expand in your chamber and create a good seal so that all the pressure is directed forward, then contract back to normal size after firing. Steel will expand a little (not as much) and so some dirt, hot gas, and other junk from the ammo will get blown back into your action and make a mess of your pretty POF415. Steel will not contract after the heat and pressure is gone, so stuck cases or more serious failures (especially if your chamber is dirty from firing lots of steel-cased ammo) are more likely. Mixing steel and brass is a no-no because the combination of their metal properties is really hard on your chamber, barrel, and action.
Don't mind Jim, he is a little crotchety without his meds. ;) Learning to use the search function will keep him at bay and you will find that almost every gun-related topic has already been posted about and starting a new thread is not always appropriate.
Welcome to the greatest AR-15 dedicated forum on the net!
Great-Kazoo
04-04-2013, 22:05
Frog lube is great stuff. I use it on all my guns.
Don't mix steel and brass cased ammo. Generally avoid steel cased ammo if possible, especially in your nice POF415. Steel and Brass expand differently. Brass will expand in your chamber and create a good seal so that all the pressure is directed forward, then contract back to normal size after firing. Steel will expand a little (not as much) and so some dirt, hot gas, and other junk from the ammo will get blown back into your action and make a mess of your pretty POF415. Steel will not contract after the heat and pressure is gone, so stuck cases or more serious failures (especially if your chamber is dirty from firing lots of steel-cased ammo) are more likely. Mixing steel and brass is a no-no because the combination of their metal properties is really hard on your chamber, barrel, and action.
Don't mind Jim, he is a little crotchety without his meds. ;) Learning to use the search function will keep him at bay and you will find that almost every gun-related topic has already been posted about and starting a new thread is not always appropriate.
Welcome to the greatest AR-15 dedicated forum on the net!
Don't you have diapers to change? DAD
HoneyBadger
04-04-2013, 22:09
Don't you have diapers to change? DAD
hahahahaa yep!
10mm-man
04-04-2013, 22:15
Nevermind
[ROFL2][ROFL3][ROFL2][ROFL1][Beer]
R13 in drag?
Lighten up francis. Besides i'm filling in for HBar. he's busy dealing with DUPE's
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Ha...not sure what an R16 in drag is but I prefer my gal to be less hairy than me or at least well shaved!
Seriously, didn't know about the steel case ammo...it was cheap and available. I just thought that Russian crap was dirtier.
Great-Kazoo
04-04-2013, 22:31
Ha...not sure what an R16 in drag is but I prefer my gal to be less hairy than me or at least well shaved!
Seriously, didn't know about the steel case ammo...it was cheap and available. I just thought that Russian crap was dirtier.
Keep telling yourself you don't know R13 (Ronin) For a "newbie" you sure know a lot about "His Looks" [LOL]
Nope don't know whose empty beer can that is officer, not at all.
Buy some grease. When did 'all in one' lube get cool. You don't use motor oil in your u-joints.
Bailey Guns
04-05-2013, 05:58
What we REALLY need is a thread about the horrors of steel-cased ammo in AR rifles. I don't think that's ever been discussed.
[Coffee]
I must be the only guy who thinks there's nothing wrong with shooting steel-cased ammo through my ARs (or other guns). And I shoot it by the metric shit-ton when I can find it. I shoot Wolf through my Kimber and Colt 1911s, too. And I clean my guns with whatever solvent I happen to have open at the time and lube them with whatever oil happens to be available. And I can't remember the last time I ever had a problem with one.
If I were you I'd get the least expensive gun oil I could find and use that. The only difference is you may have to use it a little more often...but so what. Maintain them properly, use a lubricant of some sort and shoot the hell outta them.
Personally, 1) I think people really over-think this stuff and, 2) marketing hype and internet myths are wonderful things.
missionxo
04-05-2013, 06:37
The Bi-curious tension is so thick in here you could cut it with a knife.
blacklabel
04-05-2013, 06:40
The Bi-curious tension is so thick in here you could cut it with a knife.
It's all this lube talk. Happens every time.
Great-Kazoo
04-05-2013, 06:46
What we REALLY need is a thread about the horrors of steel-cased ammo in AR rifles. I don't think that's ever been discussed.
[Coffee]
I must be the only guy who thinks there's nothing wrong with shooting steel-cased ammo through my ARs (or other guns). And I shoot it by the metric shit-ton when I can find it. I shoot Wolf through my Kimber and Colt 1911s, too. And I clean my guns with whatever solvent I happen to have open at the time and lube them with whatever oil happens to be available. And I can't remember the last time I ever had a problem with one.
If I were you I'd get the least expensive gun oil I could find and use that. The only difference is you may have to use it a little more often...but so what. Maintain them properly, use a lubricant of some sort and shoot the hell outta them.
Personally, 1) I think people really over-think this stuff and, 2) marketing hype and internet myths are wonderful things.
Basic syn motor oil works for me. All my rifles use steel, if they didn't i'd sell the gun.
BTW: Some treasure hunters in Big D located about $40 in change AND what appears to be a very old rusted spent shell casing over Easter, near the book repository.
http://www.examiner.com/treasure-hunting-in-dallas/gary-taylor
[ROFL2][ROFL3][LOL]
Bailey Guns
04-05-2013, 06:58
I see you've been browsing the Legal forum.
grease - g-354/g1a (usgi)
lube - lsa (usgi)
sometimes i use the law 0-157 (usgi low temp oil )
Bailey Guns
04-05-2013, 07:02
All my rifles use steel, if they didn't i'd sell the gun.
Thank you and I agree. At least in terms of AR-type rifles. No sense having a gun that won't shoot the cheap/available stuff. A lot of people seem to forget that much of the US-made military ammo in WWII was steel-cased and worked just fine back then. Should work just fine now, too.
Thank you and I agree. At least in terms of AR-type rifles. No sense having a gun that won't shoot the cheap/available stuff. A lot of people seem to forget that much of the US-made military ammo in WWII was steel-cased and worked just fine back then. Should work just fine now, too.unless your reloading then it shouldn't matter but we all know at least one person that will only shoot the good stuff
Bailey Guns
04-05-2013, 07:28
I can't afford to shoot the good stuff. If God had wanted me to reload He wouldn't have invented Commies who manufacture Wolf ammo.
If God had wanted me to reload He wouldn't have invented Commies who manufacture Wolf ammo.now thats good stuff right there , im gonna have to use that some day [Beer]
I only use trojan sex lubricant for the oiling and bacon flavored grease for the rest. I can sit there and smell my safe for hours.
Unicorn blood for cleaning & leprechaun seamen for lube.
Great-Kazoo
04-05-2013, 10:34
I see you've been browsing the Legal forum.
Of course. i'm sure some members are like UH what the hell is he talking about. Hence the yahoo treasure link, just for s&g
ChunkyMonkey
04-05-2013, 10:38
Break cleaner and mobile 1, noob!
What we REALLY need is a thread about the horrors of steel-cased ammo in AR rifles. I don't think that's ever been discussed.
[Coffee]
I must be the only guy who thinks there's nothing wrong with shooting steel-cased ammo through my ARs (or other guns). And I shoot it by the metric shit-ton when I can find it. I shoot Wolf through my Kimber and Colt 1911s, too. And I clean my guns with whatever solvent I happen to have open at the time and lube them with whatever oil happens to be available. And I can't remember the last time I ever had a problem with one.
If I were you I'd get the least expensive gun oil I could find and use that. The only difference is you may have to use it a little more often...but so what. Maintain them properly, use a lubricant of some sort and shoot the hell outta them.
Personally, 1) I think people really over-think this stuff and, 2) marketing hype and internet myths are wonderful things.
Here is a pretty good read about on steel and brass http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/brass-vs-steel-cased-ammo/
As for oil, what ever gives you confidence works. If you do not mind paying for the newest and greatest, go for it. If rem oil or hoppes oil works for you that is fine too. I am just not a fan of motor oil because the EPA removed/limited the zinc, phosphorus and sulfur that help with extreme wear and shock loading.
Bailey Guns
04-05-2013, 14:00
Yeah, I've read about that ammo test. My personal results, though not with the same firing/cleaning/maintenance regimen obviously, are different. I've never used Tula so I can't comment on that.
I've also read about lacquer clogging gas ports, broken extractors, stuck cases, etc. My personal experience is different and I'd be surprised if I've fired less than 50k rounds of steel ammo through my Colts. I'd also be willing to wager that the percentage of people who have had horrific experiences with steel-cased/lacquer-coated ammo vs the number of people who've reportedly had horrific experiences with the same ammo is probably very, very small.
Great-Kazoo
04-05-2013, 14:12
Yeah, I've read about that ammo test. My personal results, though not with the same firing/cleaning/maintenance regimen obviously, are different. I've never used Tula so I can't comment on that.
I've also read about lacquer clogging gas ports, broken extractors, stuck cases, etc. My personal experience is different and I'd be surprised if I've fired less than 50k rounds of steel ammo through my Colts. I'd also be willing to wager that the percentage of people who have had horrific experiences with steel-cased/lacquer-coated ammo vs the number of people who've reportedly had horrific experiences with the same ammo is probably very, very small.
You mean someone, someone know,s has a freind, who read about issues from another board members friend and their steel case issues?
So much dumb fuck info regarding steel case in this thread.....show me ONE case of a rifle being fucked up by steel cased ammo.......
All my ar gets is steel cased(over 10k and counting)
And mobile 1 synthetic oil for lube
I'd throw my ar against any gun on this board reliability wise
soldier-of-the-apocalypse
04-05-2013, 15:14
So much dumb fuck info regarding steel case in this thread.....show me ONE case of a rifle being fucked up by steel cased ammo.......
All my ar gets is steel cased(over 10k and counting)
And mobile 1 synthetic oil for lube
I'd throw my ar against any gun on this board reliability wise
ive never had a steel cased round damage a gun but I have had quite a few stuck cases.
ive never had a steel cased round damage a gun but I have had quite a few stuck cases.yup some of the 7.62x54r i have shot out of a 91/30 have stuck so bad you damn near needed a hammer to get the bolt to turn
Had a FAL rip the rear of a steel case off once. One of the reasons they make broken shell extractors.
ETA: Lube - Rig
Rooskibar03
04-05-2013, 15:50
I use Mil Comm stuff. MC25 degreaser and their lubricant. Works well for me.
I keep a bottle of Hoppees solvent around for really dirty stuff but I hate that it stinks up the house.
Bailey Guns
04-05-2013, 16:11
yup some of the 7.62x54r i have shot out of a 91/30 have stuck so bad you damn near needed a hammer to get the bolt to turn
The beauty of them Commie guns is you CAN use a hammer to unstick the bolt.
The beauty of them Commie guns is you CAN use a hammer to unstick the bolt.true
Yeah, I've read about that ammo test. My personal results, though not with the same firing/cleaning/maintenance regimen obviously, are different. I've never used Tula so I can't comment on that.
I've also read about lacquer clogging gas ports, broken extractors, stuck cases, etc. My personal experience is different and I'd be surprised if I've fired less than 50k rounds of steel ammo through my Colts. I'd also be willing to wager that the percentage of people who have had horrific experiences with steel-cased/lacquer-coated ammo vs the number of people who've reportedly had horrific experiences with the same ammo is probably very, very small.
What i got from that article is your fine with steel cased ammo just clean your rifle, understand you might have to deal with a stuck case once in a long while and that your barrel life will be shorter with bi-metal jackets (i think cheap S&B ammo has a bi-metal jacket). As for the Tula, who knows. It might have been the rifle, a bad batch or it is really that bad but my friend has gone through a couple of spam cans worth and has not had a problem yet.
Bailey Guns
04-05-2013, 17:05
What i got from that article is your fine with steel cased ammo just clean your rifle, understand you might have to deal with a stuck case once in a long while and that your barrel life will be shorter with bi-metal jackets (i think cheap S&B ammo has a bi-metal jacket). As for the Tula, who knows. It might have been the rifle, a bad batch or it is really that bad but my friend has gone through a couple of spam cans worth and has not had a problem yet.
Yep...that sounds about right.
[Beer]
wctriumph
04-05-2013, 17:21
I use Mil Comm stuff. MC25 degreaser and their lubricant. Works well for me.
I keep a bottle of Hoppees solvent around for really dirty stuff but I hate that it stinks up the house.
Hoppes stinks? Man, I wish I could get one of those car odorizers in that flavor, cologne too! Smells better than Brut.
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WTF stupid HTML tags go away.</p>
Badger Milk.
Honestly how else is the guy going to boost his post count? Use the Post Whore thread? I think the thread was successful, AND he contributed to this community. DIE THREAD!
flan7211
04-05-2013, 17:30
This thread is giving me some serious de javu. I swear seeing this thread months ago. I'm gonna go lay down and use some lube.
Decided to switch from froglube and use Astroglide for lube...it's what the pro's use.
Great-Kazoo
04-05-2013, 21:40
Decided to switch from froglube and use Astroglide for lube...it's what the pro's use.
Avoid wet weather when getting busy.
I think it is good to make new posts on subjects that have been posted in the past, it keeps us updated on the latest products. [Wiggle]
Bailey Guns
04-05-2013, 23:08
Decided to switch from froglube and use Astroglide for lube...it's what the pro's use.
Still talkin' about guns...right?
Great-Kazoo
04-05-2013, 23:10
Still talkin' about guns...right?
R13?
TheBelly
04-06-2013, 00:28
I use the frog lube on my guns.
A good AR doesn't ever need to be cleaned or lubed. Just kidding, I use tw25.
Bailey Guns
04-06-2013, 08:27
Unicorn blood for cleaning & leprechaun seamen for lube.
Wow...I didn't even know leprechaun's had a navy.
[Coffee]
Great-Kazoo
04-06-2013, 08:29
Wow...I didn't even know leprechaun's had a navy.
[Coffee]
They're busy, searching for a rainbow, so you never see them.
Bailey Guns
04-06-2013, 09:13
Oh...there it is:
http://rlv.zcache.com/rainbow_flag_stickers-rfd18956df94a4bb6aefc3d3d1aec9ee9_v9waf_8byvr_216. jpg?max_dim=328
Wow...I didn't even know leprechaun's had a navy.
[Coffee]
They do indeed.
http://images.clipartof.com/small/442572-Royalty-Free-RF-Clip-Art-Illustration-Of-A-Leprechaun-Steering-A-Fishing-Boat.jpg
Edit: OP I should have been more specific. What I'm using is the semen from leprechaun seamen. I've done lots of research and have found this to be the slickest of all mythical spunk. Kind of hard to find a source for this stuff but you can "roll your own" if you catch my drift.
Bailey Guns
04-06-2013, 09:34
Remind me never to "shoot" one of your "guns".
[ROFL1] to the little Leprechaun ship!
Or is it a "tug" boat?
ChadAmberg
04-06-2013, 09:59
I only use trojan sex lubricant for the oiling and bacon flavored grease for the rest. I can sit there and smell my safe for hours.
D'oh... years ago me and a buddy were following friends up to upstate NY for a small vacation. Took my POS Oldsmobile. Halfway up my buddy was driving, and after about 20 minutes he mentioned to me that he can't get the car going faster than 65. I finally looked over and realized that's because he was in first gear because the gear shift indicator didn't work right. So threw it in drive, but after all that heat, sure enough, car died about 2 min later. Popped the hood, and radiator hose had exploded. Friends went to autoparts store, picked up replacement hose, and I let someone else cut it to fit. Except the cut the tapered end of the new hose, not the end that's supposed to be cut. The tapered end was now just slightly too small to get on there, so needed something to lube it up. Friend's wife offered up the "purple love lube" she had in their car, but it worked. Filled the radiator, and got going long enough to park the car in the friend's shopping mall as the whole engine seized due to head gasket, etc. Never saw that car again, but the purple love lube is something everyone should keep in their car emergency kit!
Remind me never to "shoot" one of your "guns".
[ROFL1] to the little Leprechaun ship!
Or is it a "tug" boat?
Ewwww...Gross dude. By "roll your own" I wasn't saying extract the stuff by hand. You use one of the 3 wishes for canned L.S.S. [ROFL1]
http://static.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/fd0eb88cfc42895842452a306248230d03.png
Bailey Guns
04-06-2013, 10:58
[ROFL3] Holy crap...how in the hell did we go from gun oil to canned leprechaun love juice in this thread?
[ROFL3] Holy crap...how in the hell did we go from gun oil to canned leprechaun love juice in this thread?
Seems logical to me. What do you think Frog Lube is made of anyway?
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