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muddywings
04-11-2013, 19:27
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/11/rick-warren-son-bought-unregistered-gun/#comments

By Greg Botelho, CNN
High-profile Pastor Rick Warren tweeted Thursday that his son who shot himself late last week had bought an "unregistered gun" from "someone over the internet."
"I pray he seeks God's forgiveness," wrote Warren, a best-selling author and the head of Saddleback Church, referring to whoever sold his son the gun. "I forgive him."
Law enforcement authorities have the gun they believe Matthew Warren used to kill himself, according to Orange County Sheriff's Department spokesman Jim Amormino.
Amormino said he could not say from where, or whom, the 27-year-old got the weapon. But he did confirm the gun was not registered, adding that its serial number had been scratched off.
"(The fact) the serial number is scratched off ... is going to make it extremely difficult, if not impossible, to trace," Amormino said.
Matthew, the youngest of Warren's children, worked at the Saddleback Resources Warehouse, which distributes books and DVDs. He was "an important part of the church but played a quiet role," church spokeswoman Anne Krumm said.
He'd had "a fun evening" with his parents, Rick Warren wrote Saturday to the staff of his Southern California megachurch, before he committed suicide "in a momentary wave of despair."
Matthew Warren was found dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound at his home in Mission Viejo, California, late Friday afternoon, the Orange County Coroner said. The autopsy completed Monday put the time of death at around 10 a.m. Friday.
"Matthew was an incredibly kind, gentle and compassionate young man whose sweet spirit was encouragement and comfort to many," the church said in a statement. "Unfortunately, he also suffered from mental illness resulting in deep depression and suicidal thoughts. Despite the best health care available, this was an illness that was never fully controlled, and the emotional pain resulted in his decision to take his life."
Rick Warren is a pioneer of the megachurch movement who looked to translate traditional evangelical messages to a wider audience.
Warren founded Saddleback with his wife 33 years ago and wrote "The Purpose-Driven Life," a Christian self-help guide that became a mainstream best-seller. He also gave the invocation at President Barack Obama's 2009 inauguration.
CNN's Eric Marrapodi contributed to this report.

**Break Break**
Always sad but I'm surprised all those California gun laws failed to stop this.

Danimal
04-11-2013, 19:31
Wait there is a law against that in California, Why didn't they obey the law?

KestrelBike
04-11-2013, 19:34
In CA All firearm transfers/sales must be done at a dealer/FFL w/ the background check (unless it's family, I believe).

sniper7
04-11-2013, 19:36
huh, so a scratched off serial number is not legal? wow, no fucking shit.

he shot himself. he is the only one to blame.

Irving
04-11-2013, 19:46
If only the serial number were present, so the person who shot him could be brought to justice. I think the poor kid should be brought back from the dead and made to give up his source.










Really though, it sucks that his son killed himself.

Sharpienads
04-11-2013, 19:50
huh, so a scratched off serial number is not legal? wow, no fucking shit.

he shot himself. he is the only one to blame.

Agreed.

Crappy situation for the family, but more laws would not have prevented this.

Bailey Guns
04-11-2013, 19:53
300 million other guns around the country harmed no one today.

Sharpienads
04-11-2013, 19:58
300 million other guns around the country harmed no one today.

That you know of...

Gman
04-11-2013, 19:59
When there's a will, there's a way. There were already a stack of laws against what happened here. Making more laws to stack on top of those will change nothing. Laws are only there for the law abiding.

It's sad to see someone so troubled that suicide is the only way they see out. I do prefer that option to taking as many people with you on your way out. People have been killing themselves ever since there have been people. It's a selfish and sad part of the human condition.

RIP.

buffalobo
04-11-2013, 20:01
More proof that kooks and criminals will cause death and destruction, regardless of the laws.

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Gman
04-11-2013, 20:05
On a side note, was the pastor's son taking psychotropic drugs for his depression?

bigshane
04-11-2013, 21:00
"(The fact) the serial number is scratched off ... is going to make it extremely difficult, if not impossible, to trace," Amormino said.

They've been pretty good at restoring "scratched off serial numbers for decades now. Don't want to trace?
[tinhat]

mevshooter
04-11-2013, 22:20
America starts blaming the horrendous narcotics being prescribed by "medical professionals" in the pocket of big pharma instead of a a non-mind altering, inanimate firearm?

That'll be the day...

From the perspective of a parent, I cannot even imagine what this guy is going through. Prayers for them and theirs.

From the perspective of a neglected child whose senior pastor father spent more time pandering to congregation members than being a legitimate, non-abusive father at home, I point the finger back at Rick Warren. I wouldn't even be mentioning this if he hadn't gone so far as to say "I hope he seeks forgiveness" in regards to the person who allegedly sold his son the firearm. I say you should have spent more time handling your business as a parent than growing a mega church or putting out best selling books. And no, this isn't some vendetta rant against Christians. Still love my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ with my entire being... I've just seen the darker side of "church folk."

So pastor rick can piss off.

StagLefty
04-12-2013, 08:18
^ WOW !!!

buffalobo
04-12-2013, 08:27
America starts blaming the horrendous narcotics being prescribed by "medical professionals" in the pocket of big pharma instead of a a non-mind altering, inanimate firearm?

That'll be the day...

From the perspective of a parent, I cannot even imagine what this guy is going through. Prayers for them and theirs.

From the perspective of a neglected child whose senior pastor father spent more time pandering to congregation members than being a legitimate, non-abusive father at home, I point the finger back at Rick Warren. I wouldn't even be mentioning this if he hadn't gone so far as to say "I hope he seeks forgiveness" in regards to the person who allegedly sold his son the firearm. I say you should have spent more time handling your business as a parent than growing a mega church or putting out best selling books. And no, this isn't some vendetta rant against Christians. Still love my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ with my entire being... I've just seen the darker side of "church folk."

So pastor rick can piss off.

+1
Worth a quote.

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rondog
04-12-2013, 09:02
Wonder if it's occurred to anyone there that the kid could have removed the s/n himself?

freqlord
04-12-2013, 09:04
America starts blaming the horrendous narcotics being prescribed by "medical professionals" in the pocket of big pharma instead of a a non-mind altering, inanimate firearm? That'll be the day... From the perspective of a parent, I cannot even imagine what this guy is going through. Prayers for them and theirs. From the perspective of a neglected child whose senior pastor father spent more time pandering to congregation members than being a legitimate, non-abusive father at home, I point the finger back at Rick Warren. I wouldn't even be mentioning this if he hadn't gone so far as to say "I hope he seeks forgiveness" in regards to the person who allegedly sold his son the firearm. I say you should have spent more time handling your business as a parent than growing a mega church or putting out best selling books. And no, this isn't some vendetta rant against Christians. Still love my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ with my entire being... I've just seen the darker side of "church folk." So pastor rick can piss off.


Damn right. Family before flock.

SuperiorDG
04-12-2013, 09:07
Wonder if it's occurred to anyone there that the kid could have removed the s/n himself?

Just about to say this.

Ronin13
04-12-2013, 09:40
300 million other guns around the country harmed no one today.
Excluding Chicago of course... Right?

rondog
04-12-2013, 10:13
Damn right. Family before flock.

But The Flock is who they fleece.....flock provides money, family just uses money.