More great thinking by our legislature: DNA for misdemeanors

[TFOGGER]

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_23005906/colorado-bill-require-dna-sample-minor-offenses-draws

and they charge $128 for the privilege of becoming a subject of the state's database...WTF?

[Mad]

[SA Friday]

It's a fishing expedition for cold case leads? Complete BS. There are states that already require this and the statistics say testing misdemeanors does not solve crime at a higher rate. Additionally, the DNA testing costs about $500 per person according to the Section head of one of the largest DNA labs in CO. So, testing just class one misdemeanors would raise the cost to the state about 4 times what they are charging and they will have to hire more people to do the testing. Great news for people doing school for a criminalistics degree, but its going to cost the state way more than it's worth. The only upside will be more accurate statistics in court as they are based on the size of the database.

[losttrail]

George Orwell, 1984. Just a bit later than he thought.

Big Brother

[Dave]

George Orwell, 1984. Just a bit later than he thought.

Big Brother
Too bad that was supposed to be a fictional book, not a how to manual.

[buffalobo]

Another step on the path...

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[Hound]

How is this not a direct attack on the 4th and 5th amendments. If you take this to its logical conclusion they will have a DNA sample on all Americans so they can link all crime to all people. Even minor infractions. Considering how many laws there are, it will be illegal to damn near breath. This will create a world where you are guilty of whatever that you will then have to prove yourself innocent. There seems to be a drive to know all about us from Advertising, to cars that tell on you (that Progressive insurance plugin for cheaper rates), to Facebook where we tell on ourselves. This vision of the future is not one I want to live in. It reminds me of the Demolition Man Utopia with Orwell as the underlaying framework.

Have a Happy Happy Joy Joy Day!!! [hahhah-no]

[ldmaster]

anybody that believes he's "free" should try to get by in this country without a SSN - try to leave the country without one - impossible.

We're owned, we just don't know it yet. Our masters have willed it so.

[SA Friday]

How is this not a direct attack on the 4th and 5th amendments. If you take this to its logical conclusion they will have a DNA sample on all Americans so they can link all crime to all people. Even minor infractions. Considering how many laws there are, it will be illegal to damn near breath. This will create a world where you are guilty of whatever that you will then have to prove yourself innocent. There seems to be a drive to know all about us from Advertising, to cars that tell on you (that Progressive insurance plugin for cheaper rates), to Facebook where we tell on ourselves. This vision of the future is not one I want to live in. It reminds me of the Demolition Man Utopia with Orwell as the underlaying framework.

Have a Happy Happy Joy Joy Day!!! [hahhah-no]
The constitutionality of taking DNA samples and what threshold for mandating those samples has yet to be determined at the federal level. Every state is making up their own rules at this point. I suspect when it is addressed, the threshold for mandatory sampling will fall just barely more stringent than fingerprints. The evasiveness of the testing is literally a cheek swab and so just barely more evasive than fingerprints. The test itself is based on DNA short tandem repeat sequences. CODIS requires a minimum 13 loci, but most modern tests do about 16 loci. None of this data is capable of gleaning additional information about the person other than the amount of repeat sequences in the different loci. Basically, the info is only pertinent for comparison to identify just like a fingerprint. So, the test results are innocuous. The minimum amount of cells required for a full positive ID are about 15 right now and that can be extracted form sluffed skin cells in a fingerprint. So the open source availability to retrieve a sample is equal to a fingerprint. DO NOT try to fight this fight with the 4th and 5th amendments!!! It will fail.

Money is the issue. It will cost the state $500k to one million a year to do these tests in test costs alone. throw in the equipment and lab expansion and holy shit batman, we gotta raise taxes...

[Inconel710]

Every veteran is already in a Federal DNA database. 'Bout time the rest of you joined us! :)

It is creepy though.

[Clint45]

Every veteran is already in a Federal DNA database. 'Bout time the rest of you joined us! :)


When did that policy start?

[Hound]

When did that policy start?

Back in the 90's. They unfortunately already have mine because of this.

[SA Friday]

Every veteran is already in a Federal DNA database. 'Bout time the rest of you joined us! :)

It is creepy though.
I don't believe that for one second... Do you have a reliable source to prove that KIA ID samples were logged into CODIS?

[bigun1962]

Not sure why it is hard to believe. Lots of people in the biomedical field have there DNA on file with the feds. Just like anything else it is good and bad. All branches in the military started collecting DNA from recruits in the early 1990's.

[Aloha_Shooter]

They started collecting DNA from all servicemen in the mid-90s to assist with body identification in the future. They probably don't have anything on anyone who retired/separated prior to about 1993-1994 but 1994 is when I remember having to sign a form during an annual physical acknowledging they were taking a sample of my blood for DNA analysis.

[SA Friday]

They started collecting DNA from all servicemen in the mid-90s to assist with body identification in the future. They probably don't have anything on anyone who retired/separated prior to about 1993-1994 but 1994 is when I remember having to sign a form during an annual physical acknowledging they were taking a sample of my blood for DNA analysis.
Yes. This is true. Every member in the military gave a blood sample on to Whatman FTA paper, I was there.

This does NOT mean any analysis results were entered into any database much less CODIS. As an OSI agent, I couldn't even get access to the DNA results or the enlistment fingerprint cards. With a Federal warrant, maybe the fingerprints, but the Cofiler/Profiler results were part of ones medical records and fell under HIPAA. The results were analyzed by an outside company and NOT USACIL, so they couldn't be used for criminal prosecution anyway as they had no official chain of custody for the results.

Come on people... The amount of uninformed paranoia spewing on the forum lately is dismal. Everyone step back a little and do some research.

People in criminal labs and biomedical labs have to submit samples for negative comparison. Depending on the biomedical labs job, they may have to submit those samples to a local criminalistics lab for addition to the LDIS portion of the computer system. These may or may not be flagged as negative samples and then not uploaded into SDIS and then CODIS. All crime lab samples are flagged as negatives. If the biomedical lab is running samples under contract for criminal purposes, their negatives are also flagged when entered. So again, no... no big gigantic conspiracy. The negative samples are needed to identify and analyze contaminated tests. Without them, the analysis cannot be accomplished if contaminated (which happens every once in a while due to the high sensitivity of DNA testing now a days).

[Clint45]

Come on people... The amount of uninformed paranoia spewing on the forum lately is dismal.

I heard somewhere that Joe Biden and Michael Bloomberg are IN FACT reptillian shapesifting aliens from the Alpha Centuri star system who want to disarm all Americans before rounding them up in FEMA death camps to begin mass production of Soylent Green patties as a cheap source of protein.
[tinhat]

[Kraven251]

we are moving toward an EU style of justice ...oh boy oh boy!

I do not remember the name of the organization but they have been pushing for a number of years to have a DNA sample taken as an expansion of the fingerprinting program for children