Cherries Clown Training for Idjits

Can't believe individuals pay for this guys classes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNv5QxUft7c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS6MBcUEXvQ

Thoughts? Personally I wouldn't want this guy anywhere near me with a firearm on him.

I watched the first video, but I've not had any training in such matters. I'm interested to hear comments from people who do this kind of thing to see what they find is wrong with the video.

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Originally Posted by Irving

I watched the first video, but I've not had any training in such matters. I'm interested to hear comments from people who do this kind of thing to see what they find is wrong with the video.

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Mr. Cohen is advocating a "My way or the highway" approach on room clearing ideologies. Nothing wrong with limited entry/exposure clearing, but it can't be the only technique a unit employs. Aside from that starting at 10:00 in the first video Mr. Cohen has a student or AI point a weapon at him, and then He, (Cohen) returns the favor, this flagrant disregard for the most basic of safety rules continues for most of the rest of the clip.

I picked up on all that. I also assumed that the "deep corner" technique is more than likely used in conjunction with flash bangs, making that technique much safer. There were certain opinions I formed while watching, but again, since I have no idea about any of that stuff, I'll just sit back and read what everyone else has to say.

I got about halfway through the first video. It seems to me he is making some very broad assumptions, like
1. Walls stop bullets
2. Bad guys don't move
3. It seems he is implying that most guys are running head first into a room and skipping targets that are plainly visible from outside of the room. I'm not sure moving slowly and "pie-ing" a room before entering is revolutionary.

Just my two cents. I have also never done that for a living.

Time permitting I may come back and comment on the video a little bit more but I'd like to make some "big picture" comments.

I spent enough time working in Israel and the Palestinian Territories to develop a pretty strong dislike for the "Israeli method" of security/gun handling/CQB. I'll try to stay on specifics but I figure it's only fair to put my bias out front.

This instructor's attitude (as Molon Labe noted) reeks of "my way is *THE* way and if you can't grasp that you're an idiot". This is often a result of A) limited experience, B) limited exposure to other units or C) personal or institutional arrogance. A quick perusal of Mr. Cohen's bio shows that he spent three years in the IDF... That's three years for basic training, infantry training, unit specific training and any operational experience before he left the military. If you're curious and want a frame of reference you can take a look at how long the pipeline is for various US SOF units on Wikipedia or someplace. But my guess is that both A and B apply. His attitude and my experience would lead me to expect C to apply as well.

The various (and flagrant) safety violations are self explanatory. I've never worked with a unit that takes training seriously who doesn't conduct two levels of safety checks before any force-on-force training where weapons might be pointed at team mates/role players. It sure as shit isn't "Lock your bolts back" (not to mention the magazine change) and you DON'T bounce back and forth from live fire to pointing guns at people to live fire. That's a really easy way for someone to get shot. "I'm high speed enough to do this safely" is complete horse shit. I'd walk off that range.

RE: Limited penetration room clearing - There's a time and a place for it. It's a viable technique but it's definitely not *THE* way.

There are a lot of little things in that video that make me roll my eyes ("a guy won't want to grab your muzzle if you've just shot ten rounds." Really?!? If he's fighting for his life he won't want to burn his hand? OK....). The biggest thing I see when someone is teaching *THE* way (in CQB, gun handling, patrolling, combatives, etc.) is that their scenarios are set up to support the TTP that they're preaching. This particular set up assumes no dead space he can't clear from the doorway (couches, beds, desks, tables.. you know, the stuff people tend to hide behind). No other doorways in the room. Lots of room to pie out in the hallway/street (I'm a huge fan of doing this but you can't assume that you'll have all the space in the world). The outside/hallway/street is secure. Etc. I'm not advocating bum rushing a room every time, although there is a time and place for that too, but fighting from the street/hallway is not necessarily the best answer. Especially in a non-permissive environment.

Excellent.