Gabby Petito

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/16/us/ga...ase/index.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/15/u...g-vanlife.html

Etc...

I'm sure most have heard or seen of this one.

If not, cute white girl and meatball go on cross country trip. They argue in Moab. Girl goes incommunicado. Meatball shows up a week later in their shared van, in Florida, hides at Mom's house and gets a lawyer.

Two questions-

1- What are the chances meatball didn't do it?
2- Would there be the media frenzy if it wasn't a cute white girl?

Watch Patrice O'Neal describe a very similar case.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYKJ...hannel=TyTempe

It is sad how "investigators are going more concerned for her safety as time goes on" when an average joe can come outright on day two and say "dood, she dead, we lookin for the body"

Havent read the linked article yet but there was a 911 call by a third party in moab for a domestic from them. It's a case where the finger pointing is entirely correct. People don't lose their SO and drive 1500 miles without a phone call...

Another random thought: just 100 years ago people never came home and their survivors wondered for a lifetime whether they were alive or not, with no ability to access information. The modern age is mostly a blessing. I am not sure if it is better to outright know your child is dead though (modern), or to always be able to imagine them having a wild life somewhere out west...

I wouldn't be surprised if Gabbi Petito left him on her own volition and found out it is a big bad world out there. Suzanne Morphew case was a lot of speculation her husband was having an affair initially. Turns out she was having an affair, I think she left him on her own power too.

Chris Watts, Patrick Frazee, Donthe Lucas, all guilty as hell.

All these cases are fascinating to me as an amateur sleuth.

There is speculation she may have fallen prey to the Moab lesbian couple killer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a27XBXb6Jkg

Based on the thread title I thought this was a feedback thread. [facepalm]

Shitty deal all around for sure.

Attractive young white girl? I'm certain that's part of it. Meatball? most likely. The fathers interviews seem to show he's got his head screwed on straight and a tight guy. The young lady strikes me as a princess type that always gets what she wants.

As I've been following this, my impressions were infidelity/jealousy at first and then I speculated unintended pregnancy. Unknown influence factor of posting everything they did on social media. Folks that young don't really know wtf their doing in the first place. 22ys old?....sheeet. Ya only think ya know.

If meatball killed her, which he most likely did, I hope he eats shit in prison for the rest of his life on our dime since we don't kill killers anymore. It would be much cheaper if we did.

The current story appears that she did talk to her family from the Teton/Yellowstone NP area at the end of August (actual voice discussion, not just a text or phone ping), well after the Moab "argumentative" fight where LE became involved.

Probably the most likely event is that they had another "fight" that that escalated to her death, either by accidental rage or intentional killing. He has decided to clam-up and make the authorities prove something.

However, other more interesting scenarios exist:

Their visit to the Moab area does coincide with the lesbian camper deaths noted above, along with many other tourists. However, the potential link is notable. Perhaps he killed them while "out for groceries", and then killed her later in WY- maybe she was asking too many questions, put 2 and 2 together, maybe the fight in Moab was a "where were you? / what were you doing?"

or

They had another fight, with her deciding "I am done", and marching off into boonies in a huff. He also drives off in a huff, back to FL with a "that will teach her" attitude. She falls prey to any number of potentially encounters- environmental, four-legged or two-legged.

The whole thing is going to be a Lifetime movie, or an extended Investigation Discovery episode.

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Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy

There is speculation she may have fallen prey to the Moab lesbian couple killer.

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As .455 Hunter essentially said, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the fiance killed the two women in Moab (there was a connection to the 2 women and to this couple) and killed Gabby/Gabbi also.

I truly believe that Gabby is dead and hope phone records can help trace the locations since she was last spoken with on the phone. From there, start searching 0-300 yrds from any point the van could have reached (the fiance isn't particularly built and I doubt he could/would have moved her body further than that). It's a LOT of area to search but you have to start somewhere. Then again, he could have disposed of her body anywhere along his route back to FL.

If he did commit a crime, the scenario will take time to develop.

Do these newer vans have any sort of "on-star" type tracking? As theGinsue states, telemetry from one or both phones?

How long do they store traffic cam data in Jackson /Cody/etc (if they even have it)?

The van has some configuration features (rear ladder, top vent fan, rails) that makes it a bit more distinctive than the current "van life" ex-plumber special.