Thoughts on Bar carry.

My oldest son (41 years old) just got his CCW. It has been fun watching a person with a new permit. All the questions like, does it print, which holster is best IWB OWB pocket? I remember going threw all that so many years ago. Anyway this is what I would like your in put on. He lives in Adams co. but he is a part owner in a bar in Denver. I know it is legal to carry in a bar unless posted at the door but is it wise? He spends most of the time behind the bar at night. If I go to a bar and don't plan on drinking I always carry but in that environment every night is it wise to carry all the time? I almost feel like being there all the time that you could about bet that at some point your going to have problems. At what point is it just a bar fight or problem, and when is it time to protect yourself? My son is a smart kid. He has taken a few advanced defense classes but is this just asking for trouble at some point in time? What are your thoughts on bar carry if you worked there?

Carry into a bar fine (especially for owner going to work) ... drinking a single drink - gray area under both law and "good sense" (huge debate on that here on a regular basis ... lets consider that dead horse thoroughly beat) ... getting drunk in bar while packing, extremely bad idea.

If he's working and not drinking then I would say it would be unwise to NOT carry.

http://www.9news.com/news/local/arti...-at-Denver-bar

Did you see this. Tell him not to do this.

"They say security guards went outside and returned fire."

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

Carry into a bar fine (especially for owner going to work) ... drinking a single drink - gray area under both law and "good sense" (huge debate on that here on a regular basis ... lets consider that dead horse thoroughly beat) ... getting drunk in bar while packing, extremely bad idea.

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The first sentence is fine. The rest of it says nothing about my questions. It has nothing to do about my son drinking and carrying. I would say this horse isn't dead yet and your post is BS.

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Originally Posted by JlazyH

The first sentence is fine. The rest of it says nothing about my questions. It has nothing to do about my son drinking and carrying. I would say this horse isn't dead yet and your post is BS.

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Zunds advice seemed legit to me? You came to the members for advice, not the other way around, please keep that in mind.

No offense, but if your son needs to think about rather he should carry in his situation or not, maybe he should re evaluate why he is carrying in the first place. I would absolutely carry in his situation. There isn't a single minute that goes by that I don't carry when legally acceptable.

Does he drink while working.
Does he consume enough over his time spent working, that driving would get home a roadside test and or DWI ?

The flip side is IT CAN HAPPEN ANYWHERE, ANYTIME be prepared.

Guys he isn't asking about drinking and carrying. He is asking about carrying in a place that 1) is likely to have physical confrontations between patrons or patrons and staff on a regular basis, and 2) is even more often packed shoulder to shoulder with people.

To help get you guys on the right track, here are two situations:

1) You are behind the bar when a fight breaks out. A space in the middle of the floor opens up where two dudes are fighting. You can see because you are standing on the bar, but otherwise, the two are completely surrounded by a wall of people at least 20 persons deep. One of them whips out a 5" knife and starts swinging at the other. Do you clear leather and engage the guy with the knife?

2) Same situation as #1, only you are the other guy in the circle in the middle of the bar.

Same situation with a concert. You see a guy knifing people in the mosh pit, do you draw and fire into a mosh pit?

Thank You Irving. Must have been the way I posted my concerns about my son. You hit what I was trying to ask.

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Originally Posted by Irving

Guys he isn't asking about drinking and carrying. He is asking about carrying in a place that 1) is likely to have physical confrontations between patrons or patrons and staff on a regular basis, and 2) is even more often packed shoulder to shoulder with people.

To help get you guys on the right track, here are two situations:

1) You are behind the bar when a fight breaks out. A space in the middle of the floor opens up where two dudes are fighting. You can see because you are standing on the bar, but otherwise, the two are completely surrounded by a wall of people at least 20 persons deep. One of them whips out a 5" knife and starts swinging at the other. Do you clear leather and engage the guy with the knife?

2) Same situation as #1, only you are the other guy in the circle in the middle of the bar.

Same situation with a concert. You see a guy knifing people in the mosh pit, do you draw and fire into a mosh pit?

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I think every scenario is going to have to be judged on a case by case basis. your son is going to have to make a split second decision whether or not he is carrying if he is going to interject himself to defend a third party. I hope he knows the law and his rights. I hope his bar has a bouncer or security. In a place like that in a City like that I would absolutely be armed. He's an owner and a bartender, shouldn't be the first one to take a shiv anyhow. Hire a Bouncer to protect the patrons and then protect him and yourself. My 2 pennies worth.