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04-13-2013, 08:13
R&S

shameful quote from Fecalstein

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Originally Posted by zip

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At a Senate Judiciary Committee meeting on Thursday, Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-California) opposed an amendment to her Assault Weapons Ban legislation that would allow military veterans to continue to buy the firearms that would be banned. Feinstein says a veteran may be mentally ill and should be prevented from purchasing firearms.

SEN. DIANNE FEINSTEIN: If I understand this, this adds an exemption of retired military. As I understand our bill, no issue has arose in this regard during the 10 years the expired ban was in effect and what we did in the other bill was exempt possession by the United States or a department or agency of the United States. So that included active military.

The problem with expanding this is that, you know, with the advent of PTSD, which I think is a new phenomenon as a product of the Iraq War, it’s not clear how the seller or transferrer of a firearm covered by this bill would verify that an individual was a member, or a veteran, and that there was no impairment of that individual with respect to having a weapon like this.

So, you know, I would be happy to sit down with you again and see if we could work something out but I think we have to-- if you’re going to do this, find a way that veterans who are incapacitated for one reason or another mentally don’t have access to this kind of weapon.
04-13-2013, 08:19
Dave

I usually like to see a quote source for stuff like this, but I can believe she would say it. She was one of the legislators urging Clinton to cut our military pay back in the 90's because she felt we made too much. Her and Rosie O were on CNN blabbing about how much we made even though we had lower enlisted with families on food stamps. [Rant2]
04-13-2013, 08:27
bigshane

What she actually said wasn't quite that blunt and clear. It was more stupid, clueless, and rambling.

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At a Senate Judiciary Committee meeting on Thursday, Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-California) opposed an amendment to her Assault Weapons Ban legislation that would allow military veterans to continue to buy the firearms that would be banned. Feinstein says a veteran may be mentally ill and should be prevented from purchasing firearms.

SEN. DIANNE FEINSTEIN: If I understand this, this adds an exemption of retired military. As I understand our bill, no issue has arose in this regard during the 10 years the expired ban was in effect and what we did in the other bill was exempt possession by the United States or a department or agency of the United States. So that included active military.

The problem with expanding this is that, you know, with the advent of PTSD, which I think is a new phenomenon as a product of the Iraq War, it’s not clear how the seller or transferrer of a firearm covered by this bill would verify that an individual was a member, or a veteran, and that there was no impairment of that individual with respect to having a weapon like this.

So, you know, I would be happy to sit down with you again and see if we could work something out but I think we have to-- if you’re going to do this, find a way that veterans who are incapacitated for one reason or another mentally don’t have access to this kind of weapon.
04-13-2013, 08:31
R&S

I will do a better job of verifing a quote before posting thanks!
04-13-2013, 08:34
bigshane

D'oh, you found the problem and deleted while I was still sourcing and formatting my post. Damn me for being thorough, hehe.
04-13-2013, 09:29
Hound

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Originally Posted by zip

The problem with expanding this is that, you know, with the advent of PTSD, which I think is a new phenomenon as a product of the Iraq War

This is the clueless part! Since humans have been warring there has been this issue with returning vets on all sides of any war. My understanding is that in WWI they called it "shell shocked". In WWII there is the famous slapping a wounded soldier by Patton who was suffering from it. My uncle almost killed his own son when he tried to wake him up one morning while Bo was "still in the jungle". He is much better now. It also does not require war to suffer from it. Rape is another common catalyst for the condition. By Fienstiens logic any woman who has been raped is a threat. Why are the people making these laws so unwilling to understand what they are making the laws about? At the CO. senate hearings we tried for hours to get them to understand simple things like magazines don't work like a shotgun tube. Just a dear in the headlight look until they were pulled aside after the testimony. Some of this coming from people that should know better, such as Morse. He showed himself as completely clueless! When I called them on it, the Senator on the panal called up Morse's history like that made the facts different some how. It is the blind leading the blind leading the sheep.

Here is a good link on the history: http://www.vva.org/archive/TheVetera...istoryPTSD.htm
04-13-2013, 09:33
Hound

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Originally Posted by R&S

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You need to take Dave's quote and put it at the top!
04-13-2013, 10:49
theGinsue

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Originally Posted by Hound

You need to take Dave's quote and put it at the top!

Got it.