Hearing Protection Act

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Originally Posted by CavSct1983

I originally supported the HPA because I misunderstood what it actually would do -- probably because the proposed law is so utterly vague and doesn't address state consequences. As seen on page 3 or 4 of this thread, I provided quotes from the sponsor's General Counsel on the legal ramifications of its passing which dig into those consequential concerns. The end result is that it will effectively place NO Federal backstops against a state level ban, and only shifts the blame of unconstitutional banning and/or taxation, permitting, etc. into the state's control.

Some states already ban. CO doesn't, but I believe that's because it hasn't been a whack-a-mole issue due to the backstop of Federal regulation.

I foresee a ban in CO if the HPA passes, or at the very least a state-level version of the federal headache we now experience. As such, I wholeheartedly disavow all support for the HPA. and would encourage everyone here to do the same, until there is placed in it a provision which keeps states from taking adverse action against suppressors.

It's utterly retarded and legally ignorant (not to mention philosophically daft) to clamor for a Federal deregulation under the guise of Constitutionality, and then just shift that into State violation with a grin on one's face. If it passes as is, it would not only be a Pyrrhic victory, it would be a real life version of the devil you don't know.

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Originally Posted by C Ward

Reference post # 57 in this thread . Suppressors are ILLEGAL in Co with an affirmative defense of having a " permit " for them being used to make them legal , the NFA being that permit .

Pretty simple after that no NFA no suppressors .

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I've been saying the same thing, and asking relevant sponsors of the HPA, to include the ASA, to clarify, comment, and assuage our concerns. Crickets.

I get flamed as a naysayer or FUDD bringing the issue up on other venues - gun boards, bookface, etc.

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Originally Posted by brutal

I get flamed as a naysayer or FUDD bringing the issue up on other venues - gun boards, bookface, etc.

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Me too. But nobody wants to hear anything other than how the HPA is going to save the world.

Shhh

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Originally Posted by sampson

Shhh

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Jk. The cold hard truth will do.

Still. I will take it. The liberals can't be in power here in Colorado forever. R's come and go in power.

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Originally Posted by DOC

Still. I will take it. The liberals can't be in power here in Colorado forever. R's come and go in power.

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Ummm yes they can, states are much different than the country as a whole, when it comes to election cycles.

There has been exactly 1 Republican governor in the last 42 years in the state . The political make up of the population centers that have the most impact on elections has steadily moved to the left for the last 10 plus years . I wouldn't hold my breath if I was you .

None of this changes the fact the the HPA has fundamental flaws in the bill and we may very well be worse off here in Co if it passes . Looking at it with rose colored glasses isn't going to make it any better .

Everybody looks at the ASA and the HPA like they are the savior's when it is just another lobbying organization that is doing what they think is best for their clients , this is business nothing more nothing less . The only thing the ASA cares about the general public for is as customers for their clients . The other thing everybody fails to remember is the ASA is directly responsible for 41P , they went to the ATF to talk about removing the LEO sign off and in the process opened their eyes to the trust process which put in to motion 41P .

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Originally Posted by C Ward

There has been exactly 1 Republican governor in the last 42 years in the state . The political make up of the population centers that have the most impact on elections has steadily moved to the left for the last 10 plus years . I wouldn't hold my breath if I was you .

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^^^ THIS

over 1/2 the population of Colorado lives in the Denver metro area... which is now 2nd to San Francisco in LGBTQ population, and consistently blue. The cold, hard truth of politics in CO are that if you don't agree with Denver, you don't matter.

Well that explains why I don't get lost in Denver anymore. There is aids on every corner.

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Originally Posted by DOC

Well that explains why I don't get lost in Denver anymore. There is aids on every corner.

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This is one of the most ignorant things I've heard in awhile. Get out of the 80's, being gay in 2017 doesn't automatically equal aids...