Hawaii False Alarm

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Originally Posted by Skip

I've been in many positions where a "oopsie" like that would result in the prompt delivery of an empty box and last paycheck. And none of those positions involved telling people they were going to die.

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Pretty hard to fire gov. employees, even for cause.

Reassigned while the “investigation” is completed. Meaning damage control to CYA from the States lackluster warning system protocol. Lazy ass mentality runs deep over there.

So they have a warning but don't inform the public what to do in case of said warning. [facepalm]

In the early 70's at a nuclear bomber base, I remember seeing this exact notice in my dads office. By then he was the manager of the NCO & O' Clubs.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_n7RltmTdk-...Bthe%2B60s.jpg

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Originally Posted by SuperiorDG

So they have a warning but don't inform the public what to do in case of said warning. [facepalm]

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I don't know about you, but I don't need a gov't official to tell me what to do when there are incoming nukes on an island...[shithitsfan]

So, you know how someone initially said it may have been a hack or cruel prank?

I know that it indeed wasn't, but with this new info, hack is...plausible. Why?

Here's a pic of the Hawaii center from AP.
Attachment 73154

If you zoom in, you get:
Attachment 73155

Yeah, the person had their password written on a sticky note, which got put into a picture that got put onto the web. And the password was "Warningpoint2" (the name of the agency is Warning Point, so yeah, tough password that).

The above is a technique used to convey classified info without typing it. Also used by idiots by mistake.


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The more i think about it the more I think it was an intentional drill to really see readiness or reaction. No one takes the words, 'This is a drill' seriously.

I believe NK's biggest nuke detonation to date has been around 30kt. That's roughly 50% more than the Nagasaki and Trinity bombs (each about 20k) and twice the Hiroshima bomb which was 10 - 13kt.

NK claims to have made a functioning two-stage (thermonuclear, i.e. a hydrogen bomb) but AFAIK they've never actually tested one. Just by way of reference, most modern 2 stage warheads are in the 200kt - 600kt yield range. The biggest device the US ever exploded was a 15mt device in a test called Castle Bravo in 1954.

I'm also not convinced that the NorKs have the ability to (a) make a functioning 2 stage weapon that is (b) small enough and rugged enough to put into the nosecone of a missile that they can then (c) fire successfully and (d) detonate within a reasonable distance of the intended target.

Even if they have MRBMs with nuke warheads, the only thing they can really do with them is use them as a deterrent to a ground invasion. The instant those missiles are fired from the launch facilities their role as a deterrent has failed and all they've really done is to guarantee the utter destruction of North Korea.

Koreans aren't Muslims who have no fear of death because they think they're going to paradise. Lil' Kim knows that once he's dead, he's dead, and that goes for his shithole country and the Kim Il Sung dynasty, too.

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Originally Posted by Gman

People see pictures of the aftermath of Hiroshima and get the impression that the bomb was more devastating than it really was. The firestorm set off by the detonation is what did the greatest damage. That can happen when you make your homes from wood and paper.

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Hawaii is tropical. Most homes are made of wood there but even a brick home isn't going to do well with blast effects. Range and insulating geography will help but a 30 kt nuke hitting Pearl Harbor would still be quite devastating. One aimed at Pearl but hitting a bit further east would be even worse.