Alec Baldwin Shoots two, Kills One

In the totality too, we had his stunt double that had a live fire accident just 5 days prior to this fatal one. We had crew members that had already walked off the set citing firearm safety concerns. It was an incredibly low budget movie (7 million) that refused to hire the team requested by a qualified prop master, so he rejected the job for safety concerns.

Maybe screen actors guild provides blanket insurance or something, but I wouldn't be surprised if they skimped on an insurance policy for the production itself. Like I said before, the fact they already had a live fire incident 5 days prior makes it one of the biggest WTF moments of the year and pretty much absolves any excuse any of them had to be so brazen, including Baldwin. He had serious reason to doubt the call "cold gun" before pointing it directly at people and pulling the trigger.

Yes, it'll end up being a civil nightmare that will torture her survivors as much as it will any of them. Thank goodness for our middle-ages fuckup of a court system we keep around.

John Landis was prosecuted (unsuccessfully) for the helicopter accident that killed Vic Morrow and 2 children while shooting for "The Twilight Zone" movie. It's all a matter of perspective but to my mind, Baldwin is far more personally culpable than Landis was. Landis was telling the helicopter pilot to go lower, resulting in an unsafe condition, but the helicopter pilot could have refused the direction on the basis of safety. Baldwin was given a firearm he was told was cold but it was his decision to practice his draw without checking it for himself and his decision to do so while there were people in front of him. Still a difficult prosecution but IMO he should be investigated and prosecuted simply based on the Landis precedent.

3:1 the authorities search long and hard to find a reason to NOT prosecute him.

Baldwin is a Hollywood blowhard and deep Democrat. There will be nothing done with him. The other people involved will likely be screwed. Several of them. So many things done wrong.

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John Landis was prosecuted (unsuccessfully) for the helicopter accident that killed Vic Morrow and 2 children while shooting for "The Twilight Zone" movie. It's all a matter of perspective but to my mind, Baldwin is far more personally culpable than Landis was. Landis was telling the helicopter pilot to go lower, resulting in an unsafe condition, but the helicopter pilot could have refused the direction on the basis of safety. Baldwin was given a firearm he was told was cold but it was his decision to practice his draw without checking it for himself and his decision to do so while there were people in front of him. Still a difficult prosecution but IMO he should be investigated and prosecuted simply based on the Landis precedent.

3:1 the authorities search long and hard to find a reason to NOT prosecute him.

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Randal Miller was convicted for the death of a film crew member.

"In 2015, he pleaded guilty to involuntary manslaughter in connection with the death of camera assistant Sarah Jones during the filming of Midnight Rider, which he was directing and producing.[1] Miller served one year in jail and is currently completing nine years of probation.[2] Miller is the first film director in history to be convicted in the U.S. for the death of a cast or crew member.[3]"


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randall_Miller

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Baldwin is a Hollywood blowhard and deep Democrat. There will be nothing done with him. The other people involved will likely be screwed. Several of them. So many things done wrong.

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Like.

Baldwin will get off. I can imagine a large settlement with little coverage and the whole thing swept under the rug. Talking to the press verboten as a stipulation of the settlement. The screwing of others kept to a minimum as it will draw attention. Baldwin will blame the gun. Not himself for pointing it at someone and pulling the trigger. Not the armorer or other prop people. The gun made him do it. Baldwin is a bigger tool than any firearm. So much wrong.

I feel that Baldwin should be charged with negligence resulting in the death of one person and the injury of another person. He has been in enough movies where he handled firearms to know what safe practices are. He accepted a loaded firearm from a person and did not follow the most basic safety measures. There is plenty of blame to go around regarding negligence from a host of people but as the producer and star, he was most negligent. He didn’t follow safety protocol, he cocked the weapon, he pointed it at a living human being, he pulled the trigger.
Alex Baldwin was negligent and should face prison time for killing a woman.

What would happen to you or I if we were at the range, someone handed you a loaded firearm and told you it was not loaded and you pointed it at the person next to you and pulled the trigger killing that person? Do you think even for a moment that you could use the excuse that the person who handed you the gun said it wasn’t loaded so you are not at fault for the death of another person?

Curious if it was a black powder cartridge?

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He has been in enough movies where he handled firearms to know what safe practices are.

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What are the safe practices for movie sets?

I don't know.

As I stated elsewhere in this thread, meatball is staunchly anti-gun. He is very unlikely to have had training with actual firearms.

Everyone on a range has live ammo, and acts accordingly. (Almost everyone).

Actors rarely have to think for themselves. They are told where to stand and walk, how to stand and walk. They are told what to say and how to say it. They have dozens of people around them to make them look their best and receive umwarrented amounts of praise when they do so correctly. It is little wonder that when they open their vapid mouths off-set, what comes out is often lunacy.

Your dog is well trained and sits on command, and after years of being praised when he does as he is instructed, you tell him to sit and he does so on a cactus, is it the dog's fault for not checking where his ass is to land?

Ultimately, yes. Some blame must also go to the idiot that told the pooch to sit as well.

https://deadline.com/2021/10/alec-ba...th-1234863531/

The crew member responsible for overall safety on the set of Rust has admitted he didn’t properly check the gun that Alec Baldwin fired on October 21 and killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins.

Affiant learned after the gun was fired, David Halls picked up the firearm from a pew inside the church, and took it to the Armorer (Hannah Gutierrez). Hannah then was told to “open” the gun so he could see what was inside. David advised he could only remember seeing at least four “dummy” casings with the hole on the side, and one without the hole. He advised this round did not have the “cap” on it and was just the casing. David advised the incident was not a deliberate act. When Affiant asked David about the safety protocol on set in regards to firearms, he advised, “I check the barrel for obstructions, most of the time there’s no live fire, she (Hannah) opens the hatch and spins the drum, and I say cold gun on set.” David advised when Hannah showed him the firearm before continuing rehearsal, he could only remember seeing three rounds. He advised he should have checked all of them, but didn’t, and couldn’t recall if she spun the drum.

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What would happen to you or I if we were at the range, someone handed you a loaded firearm and told you it was not loaded and you pointed it at the person next to you and pulled the trigger killing that person? Do you think even for a moment that you could use the excuse that the person who handed you the gun said it wasn?t loaded so you are not at fault for the death of another person?

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Bingo!

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Actors rarely have to think for themselves. They are told where to stand and walk, how to stand and walk. They are told what to say and how to say it. They have dozens of people around them to make them look their best and receive umwarrented amounts of praise when they do so correctly.

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Hmm. I acted and directed in neighborhood theater for years. Even in those small productions, what you posted is inaccurate. Actors have many many opportunities to give input and suggest changes. (Even to me and I was a very demanding director.)

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It is little wonder that when they open their vapid mouths off-set, what comes out is often lunacy.

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For Hollywood actors this is 96% accurate. (Allowing for the few Hollywood actors with some smarts.)